Secret talks preface Simpson's decision to stand down

Simpson told shareholders at an emergency meeting of the Hornets' parent company, Watford Leisure Plc,

Chief executive Mark Ashton’s long-term future at Vicarage Road is unclear

First published in Local Sport by , Group Sports Editor

Graham Simpson has resigned as chairman of Watford Football Club.

Simpson broke the news to shareholders of the Hornets’ parent company, Watford Leisure Plc, this morning, who had attended what was expected to be an emergency meeting where the chairman and the other two members of the club’s board were set to face a vote of no confidence.

However, the packed meeting was delayed by more than 20 minutes, while representatives of the club and former directors Jimmy and Vince Russo held behind closed doors discussions that appear to have resulted in the chairman’s decision to quit.

Although Simpson cited “everything that is happening at the moment” as the reasons why he had decided to stand down - and he later confirmed he was also standing down as a director - no specific explanation was given.

Director Andrew Wilson has taken over as interim chairman, but chief executive Mark Ashton’s long-term future at Vicarage Road is unclear.

Simpson said: “This may come as a little bit of a surprise – I don’t think it will be a surprise for everybody – but for me personally, over the last few months, this has been a very difficult time.

“I’ve enjoyed my stay as chairman immensely but I do feel in the event of everything that is happening at the moment and after discussing with my fellow directors that now is the time I should stand down as chairman of Watford Football Club.”

This announcement was greeted with applause by some shareholders present, to which the out-going chairman responded: “I understand the applause and I accept that you’re pleased.

“I’ll hope you’ll also bear in mind that if I have made mistakes I sincerely apologise. I have always done, and that’s the most important thing for me, the very best, or I believe to be the best for the club. Nobody gets it right all the time and I sincerely apologise to anyone who I may have offended by doing the wrong thing.

“We’ve had a discussion with Jimmy and Vince and they are withdrawing their motion [of no confidence] which I think is good for the club. That’s the important thing...what is most important for all of us here is that we’re shareholders and we love Watford Football Club.”

Asked about Ashton's future, Simpson said: "We've heard what I've decided to do today, there will be some restructuring in the board.

"I think it's very unfair for Mark to comment on himself, at this moment in time. That's something that he will deliberate on in the next few weeks, months or whatever and it's not fair for me to do so [comment].

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11:46am Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

Didn't see that coming!
Didn't see that coming! Berks Horn
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11:53am Mon 1 Dec 08

Vicar*o*rage says...

He did a great job for the club, following the Petchey era, and especially after the Vialli fiasco. Thanks Graham, for all your hard work. and the personal financial support during the difficult times, post Petchey and Vialli.
He did a great job for the club, following the Petchey era, and especially after the Vialli fiasco. Thanks Graham, for all your hard work. and the personal financial support during the difficult times, post Petchey and Vialli. Vicar*o*rage
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11:56am Mon 1 Dec 08

a1derek says...

Oh come on Vicar*O*age! Did he say where the missing £12 million went in his resignation speech?

Of course, if financial impropriety is now proved, we will now be deducted points!
Oh come on Vicar*O*age! Did he say where the missing £12 million went in his resignation speech? Of course, if financial impropriety is now proved, we will now be deducted points! a1derek
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12:00pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

If not an admission of guilt then an admission of failure. What's the point of appointing a new manager and then resigning a week later? Was it a snap decision? I suspect there are more details to emerge yet. What a mess!
If not an admission of guilt then an admission of failure. What's the point of appointing a new manager and then resigning a week later? Was it a snap decision? I suspect there are more details to emerge yet. What a mess! Berks Horn
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12:11pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Vicar Rage says...

Unlike my namesake (above), I feel this is hardly a time for slaps on the back. Yes Simpson did a great job in the early days, but it's been downhill all the way for the last couple of years.

I recall him giving an interview when Boothroyd was chopped, saying he couldn't wait for today's EGM so he could put things straight and give people answers.

Obviously had a change of mind then.

Let's see what details emerge, but it's another example of all that is bad with the club. Appoint a new manager and then quit.

Surely if things were rosey and there was nothing in the background to be worried about, he'd not resign?
Unlike my namesake (above), I feel this is hardly a time for slaps on the back. Yes Simpson did a great job in the early days, but it's been downhill all the way for the last couple of years. I recall him giving an interview when Boothroyd was chopped, saying he couldn't wait for today's EGM so he could put things straight and give people answers. Obviously had a change of mind then. Let's see what details emerge, but it's another example of all that is bad with the club. Appoint a new manager and then quit. Surely if things were rosey and there was nothing in the background to be worried about, he'd not resign? Vicar Rage
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12:11pm Mon 1 Dec 08

saf1981 says...

a1derek wrote:
Oh come on Vicar*O*age! Did he say where the missing £12 million went in his resignation speech?

Of course, if financial impropriety is now proved, we will now be deducted points!
alderek - That is hugely offensive to a man who has clearly only ever had the best interests of the club in his heart. I've often disagreed with his decisions but right or wrong I don't doubt his motives. He steadied us through many a wobbles (caused a couple himself) but to accuse the man of financial impropiety is ignorant and just plain out order.
[quote][p][bold]a1derek[/bold] wrote: Oh come on Vicar*O*age! Did he say where the missing £12 million went in his resignation speech? Of course, if financial impropriety is now proved, we will now be deducted points![/p][/quote]alderek - That is hugely offensive to a man who has clearly only ever had the best interests of the club in his heart. I've often disagreed with his decisions but right or wrong I don't doubt his motives. He steadied us through many a wobbles (caused a couple himself) but to accuse the man of financial impropiety is ignorant and just plain out order. saf1981
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12:18pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Derek Payne says...

Is this story definitely true?

Are you sure he hasn't just offered his resignation (could be a very different thing)...
Is this story definitely true? Are you sure he hasn't just offered his resignation (could be a very different thing)... Derek Payne
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12:25pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Bendean says...

Not a surprise really. His big mistake was taking out a £500k salary. Philanthropic lifelong supporters just don't do that. The interest rates receivable on his loans were good. Can't really blame him - every time we lost, most posters on this site called for his head. When we won, strangely quiet! Has he resigned from the board though? Mr Matthews will tell all when he emerges.
Not a surprise really. His big mistake was taking out a £500k salary. Philanthropic lifelong supporters just don't do that. The interest rates receivable on his loans were good. Can't really blame him - every time we lost, most posters on this site called for his head. When we won, strangely quiet! Has he resigned from the board though? Mr Matthews will tell all when he emerges. Bendean
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12:28pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

surely the supporters trust who said would support the board.... surely the leaders have to resign aswell.

ashton as chairman. im sorry but that would be what some supporters deserve.
surely the supporters trust who said would support the board.... surely the leaders have to resign aswell. ashton as chairman. im sorry but that would be what some supporters deserve. ab11uk
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12:28pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Robert Peel says...

Get a move on Matthews, we're waiting for the latest twist in the WFC soap opera.
Get a move on Matthews, we're waiting for the latest twist in the WFC soap opera. Robert Peel
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12:31pm Mon 1 Dec 08

NG_Watford says...

Did you notice that the Russo brothers withdrew the vote of no confidence..... he resigned before the real truth came out..
Did you notice that the Russo brothers withdrew the vote of no confidence..... he resigned before the real truth came out.. NG_Watford
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12:34pm Mon 1 Dec 08

johnny b says...

Derek Payne wrote:
Is this story definitely true?

Are you sure he hasn't just offered his resignation (could be a very different thing)...
Derek,
I would imagine it came via a text from A.M. who is of course there as a shareholder
[quote][p][bold]Derek Payne[/bold] wrote: Is this story definitely true? Are you sure he hasn't just offered his resignation (could be a very different thing)...[/p][/quote]Derek, I would imagine it came via a text from A.M. who is of course there as a shareholder johnny b
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12:34pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

I think the police should be called in
I think the police should be called in ab11uk
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12:37pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Achilles_of_Herts says...

Oh my god! My Monday morning just took a complete twist! When will the madness end at Vicarage Road!?
Oh my god! My Monday morning just took a complete twist! When will the madness end at Vicarage Road!? Achilles_of_Herts
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12:40pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

NG_Watford wrote:
Did you notice that the Russo brothers withdrew the vote of no confidence..... he resigned before the real truth came out..
If that's the case then I find that really sus.
[quote][p][bold]NG_Watford[/bold] wrote: Did you notice that the Russo brothers withdrew the vote of no confidence..... he resigned before the real truth came out..[/p][/quote]If that's the case then I find that really sus. Berks Horn
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12:46pm Mon 1 Dec 08

a1derek says...

saf1981...there is a problem and the sooner it is acknowledged the better.

Somewhere between £10-14m that CANNOT be accounted for.

My guess is GS has fallen on his sword before the truth came out.

I agree GS did a good job steadying the ship after the Vialli fiasco, but to then go and do exactly the same is pure folly!

And to do so in murky circumstances? I am not accusing, but I think I have a right to ask the question don't you?

saf1981...there is a problem and the sooner it is acknowledged the better. Somewhere between £10-14m that CANNOT be accounted for. My guess is GS has fallen on his sword before the truth came out. I agree GS did a good job steadying the ship after the Vialli fiasco, but to then go and do exactly the same is pure folly! And to do so in murky circumstances? I am not accusing, but I think I have a right to ask the question don't you? a1derek
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12:49pm Mon 1 Dec 08

gilesy97 says...

At this stage it looks like a "deal" has been made between Simpson and the Russos. If he knew he was going to resign , then why appoint a new manager who is "in it for the long term". Aren't the Russo's Chelsea fans ??
At this stage it looks like a "deal" has been made between Simpson and the Russos. If he knew he was going to resign , then why appoint a new manager who is "in it for the long term". Aren't the Russo's Chelsea fans ?? gilesy97
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12:51pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Derek Payne says...

Where on earth do we go from here? Rodgers must be scratching his head thinking why on earth has he left Chelsea!
Where on earth do we go from here? Rodgers must be scratching his head thinking why on earth has he left Chelsea! Derek Payne
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12:56pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Derek Payne says...

Gilsey - they're Spurs supporters. So it could be interesting to see what end they're in on Weds!
Gilsey - they're Spurs supporters. So it could be interesting to see what end they're in on Weds! Derek Payne
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1:01pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Vicar Rage says...

Come on all Simpson defenders, who've been shouting down us doubters for weeks and months on end.

If the man really is squeaky clean, why would he resign?

The Russos withdrew their vote of no confidence, and at the same time Simpson steps down. In other words, a deal has been done.

So why has Simpson decided to do that?
Come on all Simpson defenders, who've been shouting down us doubters for weeks and months on end. If the man really is squeaky clean, why would he resign? The Russos withdrew their vote of no confidence, and at the same time Simpson steps down. In other words, a deal has been done. So why has Simpson decided to do that? Vicar Rage
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1:13pm Mon 1 Dec 08

T Smith says...

AT LAST!!!!!! Fantastic news!! The club can begin saving £500k p.a. in salary.The more important question should be why did he resign just ahead of an EGM calling for his resignation. Seems to me that the deal was, he would go if the Salad boys didn't reveal certain details!AIMHO!
AT LAST!!!!!! Fantastic news!! The club can begin saving £500k p.a. in salary.The more important question should be why did he resign just ahead of an EGM calling for his resignation. Seems to me that the deal was, he would go if the Salad boys didn't reveal certain details!AIMHO! T Smith
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1:20pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

Surely Simpson wouldn't have appointed Rodgers if he knew he was going to resign a week later. That would be proof positive that the man was an idiot. Maybe Rodgers knew all along - interesting to see what else comes out today? Who will take over the chair? Please not Ashcroft!!
Surely Simpson wouldn't have appointed Rodgers if he knew he was going to resign a week later. That would be proof positive that the man was an idiot. Maybe Rodgers knew all along - interesting to see what else comes out today? Who will take over the chair? Please not Ashcroft!! Berks Horn
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1:41pm Mon 1 Dec 08

henry says...

So much for the full and detailed expanation of where the money has gone as promised in the recent Sky TV interview.
There's never a dull moment at WFC -except on the pitch on Saturday - but there never seems to be much consideration for the legitimate concerns of the fans without whose support the club has no purpose.
So much for the full and detailed expanation of where the money has gone as promised in the recent Sky TV interview. There's never a dull moment at WFC -except on the pitch on Saturday - but there never seems to be much consideration for the legitimate concerns of the fans without whose support the club has no purpose. henry
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1:45pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Chris the Vic says...

Congratulations on an honourable action GS.

As one of the most outspoken critics of GS I detest the stupidity of many of the accusations.

As with those who sought to justify the ring fencing comments a year or so back, most people havent a clue about the accounts or cash flows etc. I feel certain that GS has been honest and not committed the crimes he is accused of..In recent times his performance along with that of both Ashton and Aidy was abject..NOT DISHONEST.

In many cases his statements and that of the board were interesting in what they didnt say rather than what they did say.

The trust with its experts failed to grasp that as did many clappers...see my comments re the staements made in the accounts by both GS and MA.

Also be warned developments will be revealed in the next few weeks which will fill in much of the detail about why today happened. Whilst we await these developments I look towards Boy Blunder Aston to negotiate a lucrative exit ( a reward for failur) as I doubt he has the ability to do what is right and honourable unlike GS.

But please dont make anymore uncalled for and unsubstantiated claims about GS's honesty it is not what he deserves..albeit he has for a long time been perhaps economic with the truth which is a distance from being dishonest,
Congratulations on an honourable action GS. As one of the most outspoken critics of GS I detest the stupidity of many of the accusations. As with those who sought to justify the ring fencing comments a year or so back, most people havent a clue about the accounts or cash flows etc. I feel certain that GS has been honest and not committed the crimes he is accused of..In recent times his performance along with that of both Ashton and Aidy was abject..NOT DISHONEST. In many cases his statements and that of the board were interesting in what they didnt say rather than what they did say. The trust with its experts failed to grasp that as did many clappers...see my comments re the staements made in the accounts by both GS and MA. Also be warned developments will be revealed in the next few weeks which will fill in much of the detail about why today happened. Whilst we await these developments I look towards Boy Blunder Aston to negotiate a lucrative exit ( a reward for failur) as I doubt he has the ability to do what is right and honourable unlike GS. But please dont make anymore uncalled for and unsubstantiated claims about GS's honesty it is not what he deserves..albeit he has for a long time been perhaps economic with the truth which is a distance from being dishonest, Chris the Vic
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2:00pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

Chris - you're assuming it was an honourable action, but you can't know.

Why would GS fall on his sword when the Russos withdrew their vote of no confidence? Sounds like a deal to me? If so, why? Or maybe he did just get sick of the criticism and finally cave - who knows. I don't at the moment.

Either way you can't expect his honesty not to come under a degree of scrutiny - you admit he's been economic with the truth yourself. At the least he's undoubtedly been the architect of a fair amount of spin.
Chris - you're assuming it was an honourable action, but you can't know. Why would GS fall on his sword when the Russos withdrew their vote of no confidence? Sounds like a deal to me? If so, why? Or maybe he did just get sick of the criticism and finally cave - who knows. I don't at the moment. Either way you can't expect his honesty not to come under a degree of scrutiny - you admit he's been economic with the truth yourself. At the least he's undoubtedly been the architect of a fair amount of spin. Berks Horn
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2:12pm Mon 1 Dec 08

VitalWatford says...

Um the Russo's are most definately Chelsea fans and you can't help but feel that the appointment of Rodgers was tied to part of a deal with them!!!

I still can't quite see where people come from with the whole £15m hole etc...The financial accounts make clear but bad reading - £18m on players is easily calculated without too much effort and the wage bill is what's expected of a top flight side these days...

Yes Simpson made mistakes but he is not a dishonest man and this decision is timely as he has felt for a long time its time to move on - he has never hidden that fact.

Things won't improve under the Russo's - you've only got to look at the nonsense on the pitch to know that...
Um the Russo's are most definately Chelsea fans and you can't help but feel that the appointment of Rodgers was tied to part of a deal with them!!! I still can't quite see where people come from with the whole £15m hole etc...The financial accounts make clear but bad reading - £18m on players is easily calculated without too much effort and the wage bill is what's expected of a top flight side these days... Yes Simpson made mistakes but he is not a dishonest man and this decision is timely as he has felt for a long time its time to move on - he has never hidden that fact. Things won't improve under the Russo's - you've only got to look at the nonsense on the pitch to know that... VitalWatford
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2:16pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Nostradamus says...

I can see much has been said about this and will continue to be said so I shall keep my thoughts brief:

I am delighted he's gone and I think he's done a WORSE job than during the Vialli days because of the amount of money that was at his disposal over they last two years. Appointing a manager one week and resigning the next just sums it up for me!
I can see much has been said about this and will continue to be said so I shall keep my thoughts brief: I am delighted he's gone and I think he's done a WORSE job than during the Vialli days because of the amount of money that was at his disposal over they last two years. Appointing a manager one week and resigning the next just sums it up for me! Nostradamus
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2:32pm Mon 1 Dec 08

bartonboy says...

can`t you see,Simpson had enough of the sniping by so called supporters so decided to get his own back and appoint this joke of a manager.You moaners have now got what you deserve.Enjoy the boring pass back football you will have to endure under bodger.
can`t you see,Simpson had enough of the sniping by so called supporters so decided to get his own back and appoint this joke of a manager.You moaners have now got what you deserve.Enjoy the boring pass back football you will have to endure under bodger. bartonboy
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2:35pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

yeah thats clearly what happened bartonboy.

he thought u know what the fans are so nasty to me(to be honest i think they have been very weak compared to what he has done)

that il appoint this unknown and il leave.

didnt he appoint a unknown at the start????

Barton I think ur brain is probably slightly smaller than ur cousin/dad Joey
yeah thats clearly what happened bartonboy. he thought u know what the fans are so nasty to me(to be honest i think they have been very weak compared to what he has done) that il appoint this unknown and il leave. didnt he appoint a unknown at the start???? Barton I think ur brain is probably slightly smaller than ur cousin/dad Joey ab11uk
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2:58pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ledlobbo says...

Derek Payne your info is wrong and Gilesy is correct in saying that the Russo brothers are Chelsea supporters!
Derek Payne your info is wrong and Gilesy is correct in saying that the Russo brothers are Chelsea supporters! ledlobbo
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3:05pm Mon 1 Dec 08

HOOF says...

Absolutely fantastic news.All that needs to happen now is for MA to quit then I will start heading back to the Vic to watch my beloved Golden Boys.
Absolutely fantastic news.All that needs to happen now is for MA to quit then I will start heading back to the Vic to watch my beloved Golden Boys. HOOF
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3:14pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Derek Payne says...

Sorry - my mistake. Thanks for the correction. Sadly they're still not Watford supporters, though I strongly suspect their hearts are in the right place.
Sorry - my mistake. Thanks for the correction. Sadly they're still not Watford supporters, though I strongly suspect their hearts are in the right place. Derek Payne
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3:21pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Achilles_of_Herts says...

To suggest Simpson has appointed an unknown as pay-back to the fans is beyond ludicrous!! I honestly think that he has left beleiving WFC are in the most capable hands possible!
To suggest Simpson has appointed an unknown as pay-back to the fans is beyond ludicrous!! I honestly think that he has left beleiving WFC are in the most capable hands possible! Achilles_of_Herts
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3:23pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Johnjones1959 says...

Today Homer did the noble thing and finally went, yes he initially saved the club and we should all be grateful for that, but from the point of selling Ashley Young we have gone downhill, something that he will always be responsible for, I have said before the alleged missing money was all spent on wages and players, do any of you really think that Homer would wreck all of his other business interests with a financial impropriety at Watford Leisure ? which would of course be against AIM rules etc, not a hope he's not that stupid I would assume, I suspect that he has done "very nicely thanks" from his venture into Watford as any business man would, lets just hope we get the appropriate investment we need to move forward and before we are fighting a promotion campaign from division 1 next season.
Today Homer did the noble thing and finally went, yes he initially saved the club and we should all be grateful for that, but from the point of selling Ashley Young we have gone downhill, something that he will always be responsible for, I have said before the alleged missing money was all spent on wages and players, do any of you really think that Homer would wreck all of his other business interests with a financial impropriety at Watford Leisure ? which would of course be against AIM rules etc, not a hope he's not that stupid I would assume, I suspect that he has done "very nicely thanks" from his venture into Watford as any business man would, lets just hope we get the appropriate investment we need to move forward and before we are fighting a promotion campaign from division 1 next season. Johnjones1959
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3:31pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Graham Gimpson says...


Will those spineless sycophants at the Supporters Trust now resign? Bet they didn't see that coming from their beloved Graham Simpson.

Or if they did - which I very much doubt coz they are only fed the info MA and GS want them to hear - they were 'bound by confidentially' and unable to tell us fans.

I look foward to the sycophantic tribute to Simpson on their pathetic website.

Bet they won't be able to cosy up to the board now the Russos are back.

This mess has happened on your watch Graham Sterry - resign, now.
Will those spineless sycophants at the Supporters Trust now resign? Bet they didn't see that coming from their beloved Graham Simpson. Or if they did - which I very much doubt coz they are only fed the info MA and GS want them to hear - they were 'bound by confidentially' and unable to tell us fans. I look foward to the sycophantic tribute to Simpson on their pathetic website. Bet they won't be able to cosy up to the board now the Russos are back. This mess has happened on your watch Graham Sterry - resign, now. Graham Gimpson
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3:32pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

Precisely Gimpson!
Precisely Gimpson! ab11uk
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3:48pm Mon 1 Dec 08

apatters says...

All this talk about financial improprietary.......
.. remember that Watford Leisure is a PLC, and is listed on the AIM market (one step down from the FTSE), and as such the Directors need to lodge audited accounts. If these are inacurate or there is anything wrong then the Directors go to prison.

I met GS on a number of occaisions and he might of got a number of things wrong - like possibly thinking AB was the messiah - but I believe every decision he made was in the best interest of the Club.

Fair play Graham and bonne chance......
All this talk about financial improprietary....... .. remember that Watford Leisure is a PLC, and is listed on the AIM market (one step down from the FTSE), and as such the Directors need to lodge audited accounts. If these are inacurate or there is anything wrong then the Directors go to prison. I met GS on a number of occaisions and he might of got a number of things wrong - like possibly thinking AB was the messiah - but I believe every decision he made was in the best interest of the Club. Fair play Graham and bonne chance...... apatters
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3:56pm Mon 1 Dec 08

JonBoy says...

has any of the shareholding changed or are the voting powers just the same as before?

what I'm getting at is this. Has anything other than the chairman changed? Business as usual?
has any of the shareholding changed or are the voting powers just the same as before? what I'm getting at is this. Has anything other than the chairman changed? Business as usual? JonBoy
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3:57pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Roger68 says...

Well this is a turn up for the books. We knew that Simpson wanted to go but who expected him to go at this time and in these circumstances? Not one of us, nor the WO hacks nor any of the usual rumour mongers or speculators. Somewhat amazing, and Simpson retains the ability to surprise us for one last time. Doubtless he will tell us his side of the story sooner or later, but in the meantime we are free to speculate according to our predjudices. Accusations of financial impropriety are of course wide of the mark. Being fed up with insults and recognition of the thankless nature of the task ahead, going into next season, are more likely reasons. It does look like a deal with the Russos, not to avoid some dark secret coming out at the EGM, but to give the Russos what they want (ownership of the club) and to give Simpson what he wants (an exit out of the club)at a price that suits all parties. Doubtless "compensation for loss of office" will be forthcoming for Simpson and Ashton, as it was for the Russos when they left the Board. It will be interesting to see the price agreed for the transfer of shares, and to see what happens to the loans outstanding to Simpson. So, we will be going into the New Year with a new chairman and board, new manager and a substantially new team. New Year wishes anyone? Or have you got them already?
Well this is a turn up for the books. We knew that Simpson wanted to go but who expected him to go at this time and in these circumstances? Not one of us, nor the WO hacks nor any of the usual rumour mongers or speculators. Somewhat amazing, and Simpson retains the ability to surprise us for one last time. Doubtless he will tell us his side of the story sooner or later, but in the meantime we are free to speculate according to our predjudices. Accusations of financial impropriety are of course wide of the mark. Being fed up with insults and recognition of the thankless nature of the task ahead, going into next season, are more likely reasons. It does look like a deal with the Russos, not to avoid some dark secret coming out at the EGM, but to give the Russos what they want (ownership of the club) and to give Simpson what he wants (an exit out of the club)at a price that suits all parties. Doubtless "compensation for loss of office" will be forthcoming for Simpson and Ashton, as it was for the Russos when they left the Board. It will be interesting to see the price agreed for the transfer of shares, and to see what happens to the loans outstanding to Simpson. So, we will be going into the New Year with a new chairman and board, new manager and a substantially new team. New Year wishes anyone? Or have you got them already? Roger68
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4:01pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

Oh rodger you will defend this man till the end wont you.

he was clapped when he resigned the guy has left in disgrace. he never offered his resignation before only when the russo's made a threat did he leave clinging to his money like a certain mesirable christmas character.

i can only suggest rodger you apologise to the rest of us for supporting this dictator and leave the board.
Do the honerable thing like ur overlord and walk away your finished.

Oh rodger you will defend this man till the end wont you. he was clapped when he resigned the guy has left in disgrace. he never offered his resignation before only when the russo's made a threat did he leave clinging to his money like a certain mesirable christmas character. i can only suggest rodger you apologise to the rest of us for supporting this dictator and leave the board. Do the honerable thing like ur overlord and walk away your finished. ab11uk
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4:01pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Johnjones1959 says...

Apatters, precisely my point, GS is not that stupid with all his other interests to allow impropriety, the alleged missing money is all wages ( I would imagine some 50 + people + players on the payroll )and player purchases which have eaten into the golden pot, shame it's been too difficult for a majority of the contributors to the site over the last 16 months or so to comprehend this fact.
Apatters, precisely my point, GS is not that stupid with all his other interests to allow impropriety, the alleged missing money is all wages ( I would imagine some 50 + people + players on the payroll )and player purchases which have eaten into the golden pot, shame it's been too difficult for a majority of the contributors to the site over the last 16 months or so to comprehend this fact. Johnjones1959
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4:03pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

JOhnjones if it reall was wages we would be paying more in wages than manchester united have in a year.

sim osrry but the guy has gone. if nothing was wrong he wouldnt have simple as that.
JOhnjones if it reall was wages we would be paying more in wages than manchester united have in a year. sim osrry but the guy has gone. if nothing was wrong he wouldnt have simple as that. ab11uk
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4:12pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Johnjones1959 says...

AB11UK I think you need to look at the rate of pay that the 5 or so top players were on when they left since the end of last season * say 45 more staff, any way it's either a matter of taking that point into consideration or keep on bleating about alleged missing money, I can add up even without a calculator and it's is simple, if you had 50 staff that's a lot of wages etc and payments and don't forget you also have other associated costs as well, you also just have to look at the clubs account pre Simpson to realise how much it costs to run a club
AB11UK I think you need to look at the rate of pay that the 5 or so top players were on when they left since the end of last season * say 45 more staff, any way it's either a matter of taking that point into consideration or keep on bleating about alleged missing money, I can add up even without a calculator and it's is simple, if you had 50 staff that's a lot of wages etc and payments and don't forget you also have other associated costs as well, you also just have to look at the clubs account pre Simpson to realise how much it costs to run a club Johnjones1959
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4:14pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Prof Plum says...

As recently as last Friday, Simpson was described in the Wobby as ‘bouyant’. Perhaps Saturday’s god-awful performance under the guidance of his new stooge was enough to convince him that the time had come to reach for the pearl handled revolver.
What a mess.
As recently as last Friday, Simpson was described in the Wobby as ‘bouyant’. Perhaps Saturday’s god-awful performance under the guidance of his new stooge was enough to convince him that the time had come to reach for the pearl handled revolver. What a mess. Prof Plum
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4:17pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

u clearly cant add up jack 50 staff 12 million missing

all those staff on 240k each were they?

please use a calculator maybe you could ask simpson for the money for one if needs be
u clearly cant add up jack 50 staff 12 million missing all those staff on 240k each were they? please use a calculator maybe you could ask simpson for the money for one if needs be ab11uk
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4:18pm Mon 1 Dec 08

VoR says...

Interesting take on your own ideas here ab11, let me state some actual facts.......
There was no egm as GS resigned before hand but meeting still went ahead with some answers to some questions, which will be reported by Matthews so I will not bother.
All I'll say is, this is maybe the final nail in the coffin with regards to our heritage, we'll now lose our identity and will become a feeder club for Chelsea & Arsenal youth players which leads me to the Academy . . that will be terminated in due course to save funds, so most of you have your wish but to what cost.
Gone is last proper supporter that was high enough to do anything in the interest of WFC.
We've no one left unless Taylor takes up the reigns.
We are not Watford anymore and some on here have to take part of the blame.
You don't know what you got 'till it's gone!
You have been warned!
A very very sad day!
Interesting take on your own ideas here ab11, let me state some actual facts....... There was no egm as GS resigned before hand but meeting still went ahead with some answers to some questions, which will be reported by Matthews so I will not bother. All I'll say is, this is maybe the final nail in the coffin with regards to our heritage, we'll now lose our identity and will become a feeder club for Chelsea & Arsenal youth players which leads me to the Academy . . that will be terminated in due course to save funds, so most of you have your wish but to what cost. Gone is last proper supporter that was high enough to do anything in the interest of WFC. We've no one left unless Taylor takes up the reigns. We are not Watford anymore and some on here have to take part of the blame. You don't know what you got 'till it's gone! You have been warned! A very very sad day! VoR
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4:21pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Prof Plum says...

Or perhaps the Russos threatened to go to the papers with photos of Simpson in bed with Roger68!
Or perhaps the Russos threatened to go to the papers with photos of Simpson in bed with Roger68! Prof Plum
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4:21pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

WAHEEEY

WAHEEEY ab11uk
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4:23pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

dont forget VOR hanging up a picture in the background with a sheep stuffed in a suggestive place.
dont forget VOR hanging up a picture in the background with a sheep stuffed in a suggestive place. ab11uk
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4:30pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

VoR - you seem to imply you know exactly what is going on. So answer me this - if Simpson was the last bastion of hope against a plan to turn us into a Chelsea feeder club as per the wishes of the Russos's why has he been so cagey about it; why not voice his opposition; why not make it clear why the Russo's were ousted from the board? Are you saying that the Chelsea management brigade were foisted on Simpson by someone else? How? He was the Chairman for god's sake!
VoR - you seem to imply you know exactly what is going on. So answer me this - if Simpson was the last bastion of hope against a plan to turn us into a Chelsea feeder club as per the wishes of the Russos's why has he been so cagey about it; why not voice his opposition; why not make it clear why the Russo's were ousted from the board? Are you saying that the Chelsea management brigade were foisted on Simpson by someone else? How? He was the Chairman for god's sake! Berks Horn
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4:30pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Roger68 says...

ab11uk--I did not think I was defending Simpson by not joining in the abuse of him. However, I see now that unless I abuse him I am defending him. Thanks for pointing that out. Actually we are not yet at the end of this affair--there must be more to come, since we do not know for sure that he has sold his shares as well as resigning as Chairman (I assumed he has, or is planning too, and to the Russos or their allies, but I could well be wrong). Lord Ashcroft has not publicaly played his hand yet either. I assume all this is leading up to a takeover of ownership and control by the Russos who will then name a Chairman/CEO and confirm or replace the manager. But since the Simpson resignation is itself a surprise, maybe the surprises are not yet over. If the Russos are to be the new owners they will have to deal with the same problem Simpson faced i.e. how to survive next year on an income of under £10m ,and how to manage down wage costs from this years £12m or thereabouts to under £7M next year.Like Simpson they will be faced with the need to either borrow, raise equity or sell assets to move the club forward next season.
ab11uk--I did not think I was defending Simpson by not joining in the abuse of him. However, I see now that unless I abuse him I am defending him. Thanks for pointing that out. Actually we are not yet at the end of this affair--there must be more to come, since we do not know for sure that he has sold his shares as well as resigning as Chairman (I assumed he has, or is planning too, and to the Russos or their allies, but I could well be wrong). Lord Ashcroft has not publicaly played his hand yet either. I assume all this is leading up to a takeover of ownership and control by the Russos who will then name a Chairman/CEO and confirm or replace the manager. But since the Simpson resignation is itself a surprise, maybe the surprises are not yet over. If the Russos are to be the new owners they will have to deal with the same problem Simpson faced i.e. how to survive next year on an income of under £10m ,and how to manage down wage costs from this years £12m or thereabouts to under £7M next year.Like Simpson they will be faced with the need to either borrow, raise equity or sell assets to move the club forward next season. Roger68
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4:31pm Mon 1 Dec 08

enlightened one says...

Sorry VoR but on this occasion I have to disagree with every word,utter guff.
About time cashton followed homers lead,then at last we will have our club back.
Sorry VoR but on this occasion I have to disagree with every word,utter guff. About time cashton followed homers lead,then at last we will have our club back. enlightened one
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4:35pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ozzi says...

VoR wrote:
Interesting take on your own ideas here ab11, let me state some actual facts....... There was no egm as GS resigned before hand but meeting still went ahead with some answers to some questions, which will be reported by Matthews so I will not bother. All I'll say is, this is maybe the final nail in the coffin with regards to our heritage, we'll now lose our identity and will become a feeder club for Chelsea & Arsenal youth players which leads me to the Academy . . that will be terminated in due course to save funds, so most of you have your wish but to what cost. Gone is last proper supporter that was high enough to do anything in the interest of WFC. We've no one left unless Taylor takes up the reigns. We are not Watford anymore and some on here have to take part of the blame. You don't know what you got 'till it's gone! You have been warned! A very very sad day!
yeh why downt u go and crie vro u idut. anywaye wat all the fus abowt@/ wat this go to do with foortbal?'@.
[quote][p][bold]VoR[/bold] wrote: Interesting take on your own ideas here ab11, let me state some actual facts....... There was no egm as GS resigned before hand but meeting still went ahead with some answers to some questions, which will be reported by Matthews so I will not bother. All I'll say is, this is maybe the final nail in the coffin with regards to our heritage, we'll now lose our identity and will become a feeder club for Chelsea & Arsenal youth players which leads me to the Academy . . that will be terminated in due course to save funds, so most of you have your wish but to what cost. Gone is last proper supporter that was high enough to do anything in the interest of WFC. We've no one left unless Taylor takes up the reigns. We are not Watford anymore and some on here have to take part of the blame. You don't know what you got 'till it's gone! You have been warned! A very very sad day! [/p][/quote]yeh why downt u go and crie vro u idut. anywaye wat all the fus abowt@/ wat this go to do with foortbal?'@. ozzi
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4:38pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Johnjones1959 says...

AB11 clearly you need to get your head out of your backside you plank
AB11 clearly you need to get your head out of your backside you plank Johnjones1959
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4:41pm Mon 1 Dec 08

RealityfromSouthMimms says...

ozzi, have you ever heard of spell check?
ozzi, have you ever heard of spell check? RealityfromSouthMimms
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4:42pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

ah boo hoo. Jack has lost his snug warm habitat of gimpsons **** and is now suggesting others to try it. oh well maybe he might take over at another club with a dodgy past

leeds?
ah boo hoo. Jack has lost his snug warm habitat of gimpsons **** and is now suggesting others to try it. oh well maybe he might take over at another club with a dodgy past leeds? ab11uk
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4:50pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Johnjones1959 says...

AB11, if you had read any other posts I have put up you will see I'm no Simpson supporter, anyway it's a **** shame you don't come up with something constructive yourself, what about posting an AB11 relevant point !!! because in reality you ain't got the brains to post one ! that's why you should get your head out of your backside and allow the brown stuff to escape
AB11, if you had read any other posts I have put up you will see I'm no Simpson supporter, anyway it's a **** shame you don't come up with something constructive yourself, what about posting an AB11 relevant point !!! because in reality you ain't got the brains to post one ! that's why you should get your head out of your backside and allow the brown stuff to escape Johnjones1959
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4:53pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

isnt that what simpson did today?
isnt that what simpson did today? ab11uk
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4:55pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Chris the Vic says...

Roger is most probably spot on that GS resigning allowed the Russos to drop the EGM, proceed with the takeover supported by GS and Ashcroft.

The advantage of it to GS is that he avoids exposure at the AGM where his statements would have come under the microscope. This leaves Boy Blunder as a deserved casualty.

Where I disagree with Roger is that Ashcroft will have played his hand in private. With the election not too far away he will want this problem dealt with, and dealt with quickly and quietly.

The future will be difficult for a new owner, a new board and the new manager but they start with a clean sheet and hopefully the support of the majority of the club including the fans.

Certainly a new beginning and hopefully a bright future in spite of the short term difficulties.

But the accusations and abuse of GS should cease. He was very good for the club and yes in recent years he chaired a disastrous period but we are still in existence, far better off than our beloved (?) neighbours up the M1, and we still have hope even if we may not have Tommy S for long.
Roger is most probably spot on that GS resigning allowed the Russos to drop the EGM, proceed with the takeover supported by GS and Ashcroft. The advantage of it to GS is that he avoids exposure at the AGM where his statements would have come under the microscope. This leaves Boy Blunder as a deserved casualty. Where I disagree with Roger is that Ashcroft will have played his hand in private. With the election not too far away he will want this problem dealt with, and dealt with quickly and quietly. The future will be difficult for a new owner, a new board and the new manager but they start with a clean sheet and hopefully the support of the majority of the club including the fans. Certainly a new beginning and hopefully a bright future in spite of the short term difficulties. But the accusations and abuse of GS should cease. He was very good for the club and yes in recent years he chaired a disastrous period but we are still in existence, far better off than our beloved (?) neighbours up the M1, and we still have hope even if we may not have Tommy S for long. Chris the Vic
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5:13pm Mon 1 Dec 08

derry pigweed says...

Good Riddance Homer
2 down 1 to go
Taxi for Ca$hton
Good Riddance Homer 2 down 1 to go Taxi for Ca$hton derry pigweed
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5:20pm Mon 1 Dec 08

darrenbdarren says...

Simpson's apologies were heartfelt, but it's a bit much to claim to be a fan acting in the club's best interests, and then take HALF A MILLION POUNDS in wages. Especially given the club's financial state.

And that £500k salary's not something I've made up - it's right there in the club's audited accounts on the watfordleisureplc website.

Unlike most "fan" chairmen, who never make a penny out of it, Simpson made a packet.

Who knows whether the post-GS era will be better or worse, but at least we've got the wage bill down!
Simpson's apologies were heartfelt, but it's a bit much to claim to be a fan acting in the club's best interests, and then take HALF A MILLION POUNDS in wages. Especially given the club's financial state. And that £500k salary's not something I've made up - it's right there in the club's audited accounts on the watfordleisureplc website. Unlike most "fan" chairmen, who never make a penny out of it, Simpson made a packet. Who knows whether the post-GS era will be better or worse, but at least we've got the wage bill down! darrenbdarren
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5:29pm Mon 1 Dec 08

lovefriedonions says...

unfortunately there are a number of children on here who feel big grown up and clever when they post. "Homer", "ca$hton", "hoofroyd"....all very clever but intensely irritating.

There is clearly no missing money. Every transaction will be recorded in the accounts, and audited, very carefully given its a listed company and therefore high risk for the auditors - the risk of getting sued is that much higher. Yes there have been some big ****-ups eg the stand cash and some poor buys by Booth...sorry "hoofroyd" that the chairman supported. To suggest he's been involved in large scale fraud and that thats why he jumped is puerile. New mgr has already talked about the "open" conversation he had before joining..he knew GS was looking to leave sooner rather than later.
unfortunately there are a number of children on here who feel big grown up and clever when they post. "Homer", "ca$hton", "hoofroyd"....all very clever but intensely irritating. There is clearly no missing money. Every transaction will be recorded in the accounts, and audited, very carefully given its a listed company and therefore high risk for the auditors - the risk of getting sued is that much higher. Yes there have been some big ****-ups eg the stand cash and some poor buys by Booth...sorry "hoofroyd" that the chairman supported. To suggest he's been involved in large scale fraud and that thats why he jumped is puerile. New mgr has already talked about the "open" conversation he had before joining..he knew GS was looking to leave sooner rather than later. lovefriedonions
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5:36pm Mon 1 Dec 08

bartonboy says...

ab11uk
Doe`s the 11 refer to your age?
ab11uk Doe`s the 11 refer to your age? bartonboy
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5:47pm Mon 1 Dec 08

GrahamTaylor says...

As has been pointed out most individuals know little about published accounts. What everybody seems to be missing is Hommer had a 500K salary with Watford Leisure. These are the accounts for the PLC, whilst the finances of all holdings (inc WFC) will be consolidated there is no need comment on things like salary’s etc in the notes, these refer to the holding company only. Hommer could have had another £1M salary paid by the football club and avoided reference to it in the notes of the accounts.

WFC is a private company and such accounts are not available. Not suggesting this is true merely pointing out we will never know all the facts if they are hidden in subsidiary companies. One thing is certain something was agreed to be covered up today to avoid embarrassment.
As has been pointed out most individuals know little about published accounts. What everybody seems to be missing is Hommer had a 500K salary with Watford Leisure. These are the accounts for the PLC, whilst the finances of all holdings (inc WFC) will be consolidated there is no need comment on things like salary’s etc in the notes, these refer to the holding company only. Hommer could have had another £1M salary paid by the football club and avoided reference to it in the notes of the accounts. WFC is a private company and such accounts are not available. Not suggesting this is true merely pointing out we will never know all the facts if they are hidden in subsidiary companies. One thing is certain something was agreed to be covered up today to avoid embarrassment. GrahamTaylor
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5:59pm Mon 1 Dec 08

cliff46 says...

Interesting coincidence but I hear Adie is on talk sport at 7.00 this evening.
If its true might be interesting but I don't suppose he will reveal much as he will obviously have had the financial benefit of a gagging clause.
Interesting coincidence but I hear Adie is on talk sport at 7.00 this evening. If its true might be interesting but I don't suppose he will reveal much as he will obviously have had the financial benefit of a gagging clause. cliff46
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6:06pm Mon 1 Dec 08

lovefriedonions says...

graham taylor...is it really you ??

All limited company accounts are publicly available, not just the holding company plc accounts. The directors of the top co have to disclose their pay from all group companies, so no he couldn't have been paid an extra £1m by another company in the group, eg wfc.

i imagine GS was simply fed up with all the OTT criticism and thought given he was looking to go anyway, why not go now and avoid further OTT criticism and fighting. I'm not a staunch supporter. Spending the ringfenced ground money was not clever. But i'm objective like some but unlike most on here. The guy did more good than bad.
graham taylor...is it really you ?? All limited company accounts are publicly available, not just the holding company plc accounts. The directors of the top co have to disclose their pay from all group companies, so no he couldn't have been paid an extra £1m by another company in the group, eg wfc. i imagine GS was simply fed up with all the OTT criticism and thought given he was looking to go anyway, why not go now and avoid further OTT criticism and fighting. I'm not a staunch supporter. Spending the ringfenced ground money was not clever. But i'm objective like some but unlike most on here. The guy did more good than bad. lovefriedonions
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6:21pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Mick, Bray says...

Well Well Mr Simpson,

I thought you said everything was rosy!!!

As a Director of a Company which conducts and closes business deals i can only say almost certainly that a deal was struck with the Russo's representative's.

I suspect they had evidence which would have been highly damaging for GS & Watford and the only way they would not reveal this was if he resigned with immediate effect!

The fact that GS had the majority share to remain in charge should a vote of no confidence be suggested makes me wish i was a fly on the wall in that meeting room prior to the planned EGM.

Whatever this information was we may never know.

Personally I'm sad that a man who said he loved Watford will forever in my eyes be associated with SPIN and the contempt in which he treated true supporters with his attacks on the WO, EJ and his Radio and TV interviews in which he said on numerous occasions that Watford is a well run club under him and his cronies!!
Well Well Mr Simpson, I thought you said everything was rosy!!! As a Director of a Company which conducts and closes business deals i can only say almost certainly that a deal was struck with the Russo's representative's. I suspect they had evidence which would have been highly damaging for GS & Watford and the only way they would not reveal this was if he resigned with immediate effect! The fact that GS had the majority share to remain in charge should a vote of no confidence be suggested makes me wish i was a fly on the wall in that meeting room prior to the planned EGM. Whatever this information was we may never know. Personally I'm sad that a man who said he loved Watford will forever in my eyes be associated with SPIN and the contempt in which he treated true supporters with his attacks on the WO, EJ and his Radio and TV interviews in which he said on numerous occasions that Watford is a well run club under him and his cronies!! Mick, Bray
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6:27pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Graham Gimpson says...


It was nice of Mark Ashton to turn up today even though Monday is one of the two days - Friday is the other - he 'works from home'. You could be spending a lot more time at your plush home in Bewdley with 'Winning Retail Services' if the Russos get back on the board.
It was nice of Mark Ashton to turn up today even though Monday is one of the two days - Friday is the other - he 'works from home'. You could be spending a lot more time at your plush home in Bewdley with 'Winning Retail Services' if the Russos get back on the board. Graham Gimpson
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6:35pm Mon 1 Dec 08

VoR says...

enlightened one wrote:
Sorry VoR but on this occasion I have to disagree with every word,utter guff.
About time cashton followed homers lead,then at last we will have our club back.
Why do you not believe, were you there today? No thought not, well.........
Mr Matthews has left out quite a bit really, I suppose he's waiting to tell all in the printed version on Friday.
Reason sited for G.S leaving was for health purposes, he's been suffering greatly with Asthma, no don't you think this is a cop out, it's a very bad chronic illness.
He blamed Aidy for not bringing in more Loan signings of the likes of Foster and Eagles and felt more could have been done in that respect. He blamed himself by standing by and sanctioning Aidys buys, backing to the the hilt in other words.
Criticised SEJ leaving without talking to him 1st, to which I agree with.
Said he was leaving with the club on a better footing than most and certainly better than when he came in, we were 1 day away from going into administration, he turned that around!
Couldn't guarantee the stability of the academy, although sincerely hopes it can continue in it's current state.
Criticised the fans for booing the team on Saturday
Andrew Wilson now becomes Chairman, who is basically Lord Ashcrofts stooge, I feel there is more to come from him, in time.
I congratulate GS for his sterling work with WFC and wish him well for the future.
One last thing..........
I've heard we are more in debt than anyone realises, in excess of + 10 million, the only way we'll no for sure where parts of the money has gone, will be by buying his autobiography, until then, like i've already intimated, this really could be the end of WFC as we know it and fully believe that the Russos are not the answer, as GS did. One other....I think a consortium from Europe is interested in purchasing, early days but to my mind Graham Taylor needs to be involved, otherwise we are lost, all be it solvent.
Now do you all believe that!
Try posting facts without resulting to jumping on the band wagon with your vitriol.
GET BEHIND RODGERS!!!
[quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: Sorry VoR but on this occasion I have to disagree with every word,utter guff. About time cashton followed homers lead,then at last we will have our club back.[/p][/quote]Why do you not believe, were you there today? No thought not, well......... Mr Matthews has left out quite a bit really, I suppose he's waiting to tell all in the printed version on Friday. Reason sited for G.S leaving was for health purposes, he's been suffering greatly with Asthma, no don't you think this is a cop out, it's a very bad chronic illness. He blamed Aidy for not bringing in more Loan signings of the likes of Foster and Eagles and felt more could have been done in that respect. He blamed himself by standing by and sanctioning Aidys buys, backing to the the hilt in other words. Criticised SEJ leaving without talking to him 1st, to which I agree with. Said he was leaving with the club on a better footing than most and certainly better than when he came in, we were 1 day away from going into administration, he turned that around! Couldn't guarantee the stability of the academy, although sincerely hopes it can continue in it's current state. Criticised the fans for booing the team on Saturday Andrew Wilson now becomes Chairman, who is basically Lord Ashcrofts stooge, I feel there is more to come from him, in time. I congratulate GS for his sterling work with WFC and wish him well for the future. One last thing.......... I've heard we are more in debt than anyone realises, in excess of + 10 million, the only way we'll no for sure where parts of the money has gone, will be by buying his autobiography, until then, like i've already intimated, this really could be the end of WFC as we know it and fully believe that the Russos are not the answer, as GS did. One other....I think a consortium from Europe is interested in purchasing, early days but to my mind Graham Taylor needs to be involved, otherwise we are lost, all be it solvent. Now do you all believe that! Try posting facts without resulting to jumping on the band wagon with your vitriol. GET BEHIND RODGERS!!! VoR
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6:40pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Vicar Rage says...

I think Mick has go it totally spot on.

The key things that we will never know are what was discussed in that pre-EGM meeting between Simpson and the Russos.

It strikes me as brinkmanship. The Russos clearly knew about, and were prepared to disclose, something that Simpson did not want everyone to know.

Right up until 11am today, Simpson believed (or hoped) that the Russos would not go through with revealing whatever it is they have.

The Russos agree to refrain from airing it at the EGM in return for Simpson's agreement to step down.

If Simpson was upset enough by the abuse he's received, problems he faced or anything else, he could have gone at any time. There's an AGM coming up, he could have done it then.

As much as I would criticise much of what he has done, he's not an idiot. He wouldn't appoint a manager if he fully intended to resign less than a week later.

No, he clearly felt the Russos would back down. When they didn't, this 'compromise' was thrashed out to suit all parties.

Who knows what it was the Russos might have been ready to tell the world - but for Simpson to resign, it must have been pretty damning stuff.

If Ashton posseses a shred of decency, he'll go very quickly and quietly too. Having said that, I'd quite enjoy seeing him made to run around as the Russos' lackey for a while. I reckon there'll be a few former WFC employees echoing those sentiments.
I think Mick has go it totally spot on. The key things that we will never know are what was discussed in that pre-EGM meeting between Simpson and the Russos. It strikes me as brinkmanship. The Russos clearly knew about, and were prepared to disclose, something that Simpson did not want everyone to know. Right up until 11am today, Simpson believed (or hoped) that the Russos would not go through with revealing whatever it is they have. The Russos agree to refrain from airing it at the EGM in return for Simpson's agreement to step down. If Simpson was upset enough by the abuse he's received, problems he faced or anything else, he could have gone at any time. There's an AGM coming up, he could have done it then. As much as I would criticise much of what he has done, he's not an idiot. He wouldn't appoint a manager if he fully intended to resign less than a week later. No, he clearly felt the Russos would back down. When they didn't, this 'compromise' was thrashed out to suit all parties. Who knows what it was the Russos might have been ready to tell the world - but for Simpson to resign, it must have been pretty damning stuff. If Ashton posseses a shred of decency, he'll go very quickly and quietly too. Having said that, I'd quite enjoy seeing him made to run around as the Russos' lackey for a while. I reckon there'll be a few former WFC employees echoing those sentiments. Vicar Rage
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7:02pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Brains, Tracy Island says...

Personally, I think he's done a terrific job over the last six years and am sorry to see him go.

Yes, some mistakes have been made, but the only person never to make a mistake is somebody that doesn't do anything. Nobody could say that GS did not provide strong leadership along the way. He always did what he felt was right for the club, even if it caused uproar.

The cicumstances behind today's events are interesting. I guess the Brocolli Brothers may well return to the board? This worries me, as I'm sure they were behind RL demise in the first place. Too short sighted! No, just too **** short!!

Be careful what you wish for.


Personally, I think he's done a terrific job over the last six years and am sorry to see him go. Yes, some mistakes have been made, but the only person never to make a mistake is somebody that doesn't do anything. Nobody could say that GS did not provide strong leadership along the way. He always did what he felt was right for the club, even if it caused uproar. The cicumstances behind today's events are interesting. I guess the Brocolli Brothers may well return to the board? This worries me, as I'm sure they were behind RL demise in the first place. Too short sighted! No, just too **** short!! Be careful what you wish for. Brains, Tracy Island
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7:11pm Mon 1 Dec 08

hempstead says...

The reason Elton gave for resigning may be a clue,he said, due to some information he had recently seen he was leaving, that was so sudden, it really does make you wonder what has gone on, hopefully one day it be outed and we will all know.
The reason Elton gave for resigning may be a clue,he said, due to some information he had recently seen he was leaving, that was so sudden, it really does make you wonder what has gone on, hopefully one day it be outed and we will all know. hempstead
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7:45pm Mon 1 Dec 08

GrahamTaylor says...

lovefriedonions wrote:
graham taylor...is it really you ?? All limited company accounts are publicly available, not just the holding company plc accounts. The directors of the top co have to disclose their pay from all group companies, so no he couldn't have been paid an extra £1m by another company in the group, eg wfc. i imagine GS was simply fed up with all the OTT criticism and thought given he was looking to go anyway, why not go now and avoid further OTT criticism and fighting. I'm not a staunch supporter. Spending the ringfenced ground money was not clever. But i'm objective like some but unlike most on here. The guy did more good than bad.
You are correct but very little information / disclosure is provided with them, unlike PLC accounts.

The fact is the salary referred to in the PLC accounts is that earned from being a director of the PLC no detailed disclosure needs to be made for salaries received by Simpson from one of the subsidiaries.

The 494K (from memory) is from being a director of the PLC. All salaries paid will however be consolidated in the overall numbers.
Not accusing of any wrong doing here (although not a GS fan) merely pointing out all the facts are not in the public domain
[quote][p][bold]lovefriedonions[/bold] wrote: graham taylor...is it really you ?? All limited company accounts are publicly available, not just the holding company plc accounts. The directors of the top co have to disclose their pay from all group companies, so no he couldn't have been paid an extra £1m by another company in the group, eg wfc. i imagine GS was simply fed up with all the OTT criticism and thought given he was looking to go anyway, why not go now and avoid further OTT criticism and fighting. I'm not a staunch supporter. Spending the ringfenced ground money was not clever. But i'm objective like some but unlike most on here. The guy did more good than bad.[/p][/quote]You are correct but very little information / disclosure is provided with them, unlike PLC accounts. The fact is the salary referred to in the PLC accounts is that earned from being a director of the PLC no detailed disclosure needs to be made for salaries received by Simpson from one of the subsidiaries. The 494K (from memory) is from being a director of the PLC. All salaries paid will however be consolidated in the overall numbers. Not accusing of any wrong doing here (although not a GS fan) merely pointing out all the facts are not in the public domain GrahamTaylor
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7:52pm Mon 1 Dec 08

ozzi says...

Johnjones1959 wrote:
AB11 clearly you need to get your head out of your backside you plank
colni predicton this jonjoan 1969 u plunk. so wat ur problam?
[quote][p][bold]Johnjones1959[/bold] wrote: AB11 clearly you need to get your head out of your backside you plank[/p][/quote]colni predicton this jonjoan 1969 u plunk. so wat ur problam? ozzi
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8:01pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Prof Plum says...

Amid all the blood-letting and conspiracy theories I'd almost forgotten we've got a League Cup quarter final on wednesday evening. Come on you 'Orns!!!!
Amid all the blood-letting and conspiracy theories I'd almost forgotten we've got a League Cup quarter final on wednesday evening. Come on you 'Orns!!!! Prof Plum
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8:02pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

Vor - you're not making sense. You're praising GS for everything he's done and then saying you've heard we're more in debt that everyone thinks! If that's so then Simpson has presided over it. What are you talking about.

Are you rally trying to tell us that GS has been trying to stop the Russos taking over because it is they who want to turn us into Chelski's feeder club? If so why did he keep quiet about that all this time. Why did he appoint a Chelsea stooge as a manager? It doesn't ring true. Give us some facts because we **** well don't have any answers at the moment.

What was said in that meeting to make him resign? Why did Boothroyd go? What does Elton know? None of it makes sense - I just wish someone connected to the club would be honest about what is going on!!
Vor - you're not making sense. You're praising GS for everything he's done and then saying you've heard we're more in debt that everyone thinks! If that's so then Simpson has presided over it. What are you talking about. Are you rally trying to tell us that GS has been trying to stop the Russos taking over because it is they who want to turn us into Chelski's feeder club? If so why did he keep quiet about that all this time. Why did he appoint a Chelsea stooge as a manager? It doesn't ring true. Give us some facts because we **** well don't have any answers at the moment. What was said in that meeting to make him resign? Why did Boothroyd go? What does Elton know? None of it makes sense - I just wish someone connected to the club would be honest about what is going on!! Berks Horn
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8:08pm Mon 1 Dec 08

herts hornet says...

In my opinion the RUSSO'S need to tell us what has gone on ,they have waited silently for many months taking there enforced and disgraceful removal from the board with dignity and have now had there day "in court" as the saying goes ,i have felt very very uncomfortable with the running of this club for years and having met the Russo's on a very cold december evening at Milwall a few years ago have never doubted there love for watford fc ,Jimmy / Vince i salute you and thank you for removing the first part of the problem at our club BUT please finish the job and expose what you know to us all ,we are not mugs we know something big has happened ,it is our club ,we need to rebuild it with everyone on the same side not those still blinkered fans who believe the outgoing chairman did a good job ,he did NOT ,Remember the unexplained BLACK HOLE in the finances ,remember the kit@ FIASCO ,REMEMBER BUT FOR YOU TWO PUTTING THE MONEY IN WE WOULD NOT HAVE GOT OUR GROUND BACK so scandalously given away in the first place, tell us soon please gents and lay this myth of a good chairman to bed !

Mr Sterry of the pathetic WFC Trust RESIGN NOW you have been made to look a fool

And Finally a small thought for Kevin Affleck well done and thank you, you stuck your neck out, got no support from the paper who ran for cover but it seems you were right all along ,enjoy your evening
In my opinion the RUSSO'S need to tell us what has gone on ,they have waited silently for many months taking there enforced and disgraceful removal from the board with dignity and have now had there day "in court" as the saying goes ,i have felt very very uncomfortable with the running of this club for years and having met the Russo's on a very cold december evening at Milwall a few years ago have never doubted there love for watford fc ,Jimmy / Vince i salute you and thank you for removing the first part of the problem at our club BUT please finish the job and expose what you know to us all ,we are not mugs we know something big has happened ,it is our club ,we need to rebuild it with everyone on the same side not those still blinkered fans who believe the outgoing chairman did a good job ,he did NOT ,Remember the unexplained BLACK HOLE in the finances ,remember the kit@ FIASCO ,REMEMBER BUT FOR YOU TWO PUTTING THE MONEY IN WE WOULD NOT HAVE GOT OUR GROUND BACK so scandalously given away in the first place, tell us soon please gents and lay this myth of a good chairman to bed ! Mr Sterry of the pathetic WFC Trust RESIGN NOW you have been made to look a fool And Finally a small thought for Kevin Affleck well done and thank you, you stuck your neck out, got no support from the paper who ran for cover [ shame on you WO ] but it seems you were right all along ,enjoy your evening herts hornet
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8:12pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm.....
Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm..... Berks Horn
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8:13pm Mon 1 Dec 08

GrahamTaylor says...

VoR you don’t really buy all that do you?

Simpson has dug a hole and told half truths in the hope that a buyer would bail him out in the future and it would all be brushed under the carpet. The credit crunch means there is no buyer and the inevitable will happen. i.e. more player sales in January in an attempt to prevent the club falling into administration. That’s why Buck is here TS / JMc out Sahar / Sinclair in on loan with Chelsea paying their wages to aid their development, only my opinion of course.

If it were for health reasons why a meeting behind closed doors for 20 mins? Why the timing? Why no mention before? It didn’t impede him from celebrating in Cardiff! Whatever deal was done it was done because there are skeletons in the closet which if released would make any potential buyer very wary of investing in the club. It is also starting to fit together and also explains SEJ outburst, in that he didn’t want to be associated with the mud which was about to be flung. I also wouldn’t be surprised if it was AB that was tipping off both SEJ and the WO.
VoR you don’t really buy all that do you? Simpson has dug a hole and told half truths in the hope that a buyer would bail him out in the future and it would all be brushed under the carpet. The credit crunch means there is no buyer and the inevitable will happen. i.e. more player sales in January in an attempt to prevent the club falling into administration. That’s why Buck is here TS / JMc out Sahar / Sinclair in on loan with Chelsea paying their wages to aid their development, only my opinion of course. If it were for health reasons why a meeting behind closed doors for 20 mins? Why the timing? Why no mention before? It didn’t impede him from celebrating in Cardiff! Whatever deal was done it was done because there are skeletons in the closet which if released would make any potential buyer very wary of investing in the club. It is also starting to fit together and also explains SEJ outburst, in that he didn’t want to be associated with the mud which was about to be flung. I also wouldn’t be surprised if it was AB that was tipping off both SEJ and the WO. GrahamTaylor
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8:22pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Jackie Dyke says...

VoR you are full of rubbish! You're like a lost Shep in a field!



Whats the difference between Simpson and a turkey?

The turkey lasts until Christmas!
VoR you are full of rubbish! You're like a lost Shep in a field! Whats the difference between Simpson and a turkey? The turkey lasts until Christmas! Jackie Dyke
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8:25pm Mon 1 Dec 08

VoR says...

G.T...
Yes mate I really do, we have an identity crisis here.
He stated we'll have at least 6 on loan players from both Arsenal & Chelsea, which will be fine for performance but will stifle our youth players, there will be no need for the academy in due course.
I'm saying proposed success for what cost?
Fine for the younger generation but not for the older ones, I get fed up with having to remember our successes through close nit communities!!
We're lost I tells ya.
Berks....Sorry but I cannot answer your questions, at this time.
G.T... Yes mate I really do, we have an identity crisis here. He stated we'll have at least 6 on loan players from both Arsenal & Chelsea, which will be fine for performance but will stifle our youth players, there will be no need for the academy in due course. I'm saying proposed success for what cost? Fine for the younger generation but not for the older ones, I get fed up with having to remember our successes through close nit communities!! We're lost I tells ya. Berks....Sorry but I cannot answer your questions, at this time. VoR
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8:26pm Mon 1 Dec 08

djwatford says...

Simpson is best summed up by using a part of his farewell speech:
"if I have made mistakes!"
He still doesn't believe he's done anything wrong!What's just as bad is nobody has told him he's done anything wrong.
Good riddance Simpson.
Simpson is best summed up by using a part of his farewell speech: "if I have made mistakes!" He still doesn't believe he's done anything wrong!What's just as bad is nobody has told him he's done anything wrong. Good riddance Simpson. djwatford
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8:27pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Hexham Hornet says...

I wish I had been there now!! I wonder what was said in the meeting with the Russos? Maybe the guaranteed backing the board had was no longer there, if that's so then I wonder what changed people's minds. The full facts probably won't be made public as the club policy recently has been to sign confidentiality clauses and I would imagine that will be the case here.

I would love to see GT come back in some senior director role - as I have said many times before. I would also like to see the finances sorted out properly with a buyer who can afford to cover the club's debts, the business sense to take the club forwards, a love of WFC and a true understanding of the requirements of a football club as opposed to that of normal businesses.

Now is not the time to hurl accusations, but to thank GS for the good he has done (it has not all been bad) and also the gracious way he left the Board. Perhaps the truth will eventually come out, but the club's priority must to be work on getting everything sorted out so the club can move forwards.

We should all get behind the club and celebrate the fact that we can now move into a new era.

Come on you Horns, show Spurs what you are made of!!
I wish I had been there now!! I wonder what was said in the meeting with the Russos? Maybe the guaranteed backing the board had was no longer there, if that's so then I wonder what changed people's minds. The full facts probably won't be made public as the club policy recently has been to sign confidentiality clauses and I would imagine that will be the case here. I would love to see GT come back in some senior director role - as I have said many times before. I would also like to see the finances sorted out properly with a buyer who can afford to cover the club's debts, the business sense to take the club forwards, a love of WFC and a true understanding of the requirements of a football club as opposed to that of normal businesses. Now is not the time to hurl accusations, but to thank GS for the good he has done (it has not all been bad) and also the gracious way he left the Board. Perhaps the truth will eventually come out, but the club's priority must to be work on getting everything sorted out so the club can move forwards. We should all get behind the club and celebrate the fact that we can now move into a new era. Come on you Horns, show Spurs what you are made of!! Hexham Hornet
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8:27pm Mon 1 Dec 08

VoR says...

Jackie Dyke wrote:
VoR you are full of rubbish! You're like a lost Shep in a field!



Whats the difference between Simpson and a turkey?

The turkey lasts until Christmas!
Are you really a Dyke Jackie?
Family member of Billie no doubt!
[quote][p][bold]Jackie Dyke[/bold] wrote: VoR you are full of rubbish! You're like a lost Shep in a field! Whats the difference between Simpson and a turkey? The turkey lasts until Christmas![/p][/quote]Are you really a Dyke Jackie? Family member of Billie no doubt! VoR
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8:32pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Roger68 says...

Vicar--if the Russo's are about to take over the club, but got there by blackmail, are you happy with that? I would not be, but actually I don't think it is true. I think you are right to call this a shareholders struggle that went to the brink, but probably( though not certainly) you are wrong about how it was resolved. The Russo's never revealed their intentions towards the club in advance of this meeting , and no one asked them (where were you WO?). But they clearly had a proposal prepared which it suited Simpson to accept--no threat of revelations, no dark secret to embarras him with, just a financial package to good for him to refuse at this moment. By "this moment" I mean in the absence of other buyers /investors , with him looking ahead to 12 more months of aggravation in a scenario of falling revenues, player sales and risk of debt and consequently rising fan criticism. Add to this his own ill health and maybe the failure of talks with Wray on ground sharing, and what he did not contemplate on Saturday maybe seemed like a good idea on Monday. A week-end is a long time in football and in business, as well as in politics. This is speculation, like everyones elses, of course, but no less plausible than any conspiracy theories. We might get a bit closer to the truth with some leaks from that "closed room" (not a good way to decide the future of a community based football club I suggest) or if the WO can do a bit of proper reporting, but that may be a little way off. Anyway, we can now start to write the story of the Simpson era, since it is all but over. A balanced view is what is wanted and in any such account Simpson would be neither hero nor villian, but someone whose strengths became weaknesses and who , unfairly, is more remembered for the less successful end of his regime than for the more successful beginning.
Vicar--if the Russo's are about to take over the club, but got there by blackmail, are you happy with that? I would not be, but actually I don't think it is true. I think you are right to call this a shareholders struggle that went to the brink, but probably( though not certainly) you are wrong about how it was resolved. The Russo's never revealed their intentions towards the club in advance of this meeting , and no one asked them (where were you WO?). But they clearly had a proposal prepared which it suited Simpson to accept--no threat of revelations, no dark secret to embarras him with, just a financial package to good for him to refuse at this moment. By "this moment" I mean in the absence of other buyers /investors , with him looking ahead to 12 more months of aggravation in a scenario of falling revenues, player sales and risk of debt and consequently rising fan criticism. Add to this his own ill health and maybe the failure of talks with Wray on ground sharing, and what he did not contemplate on Saturday maybe seemed like a good idea on Monday. A week-end is a long time in football and in business, as well as in politics. This is speculation, like everyones elses, of course, but no less plausible than any conspiracy theories. We might get a bit closer to the truth with some leaks from that "closed room" (not a good way to decide the future of a community based football club I suggest) or if the WO can do a bit of proper reporting, but that may be a little way off. Anyway, we can now start to write the story of the Simpson era, since it is all but over. A balanced view is what is wanted and in any such account Simpson would be neither hero nor villian, but someone whose strengths became weaknesses and who , unfairly, is more remembered for the less successful end of his regime than for the more successful beginning. Roger68
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8:37pm Mon 1 Dec 08

There was only one Scully says...

Its all beginning to add up now. The salad dressers have been waiting to pounce and that is why they called this EGM. Simpson was probably told prior to get rid of Boothers and install their Chelsea man, As we might of known so far, they wanted rid of Boothryd after the fall from the Prem. That is also why Homer stated that the new future purchasers must take on the new man (see local rag and Sat'day prog. The stooge who has been put in temp charge of the Chair is M'Lud Ashworths man. I believe the salads, lord Ash have something lined up in the shape of a consortium of some kind!!! watch that space (or man)!!
Its all beginning to add up now. The salad dressers have been waiting to pounce and that is why they called this EGM. Simpson was probably told prior to get rid of Boothers and install their Chelsea man, As we might of known so far, they wanted rid of Boothryd after the fall from the Prem. That is also why Homer stated that the new future purchasers must take on the new man (see local rag and Sat'day prog. The stooge who has been put in temp charge of the Chair is M'Lud Ashworths man. I believe the salads, lord Ash have something lined up in the shape of a consortium of some kind!!! watch that space (or man)!! There was only one Scully
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8:38pm Mon 1 Dec 08

VoR says...

All media were banned.
Anthony Matthews is a shareholder and was there, so look out for Fridays Obbo.
Sorry Tony.
All media were banned. Anthony Matthews is a shareholder and was there, so look out for Fridays Obbo. Sorry Tony. VoR
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8:42pm Mon 1 Dec 08

GrahamTaylor says...

VoR wrote:
G.T... Yes mate I really do, we have an identity crisis here. He stated we'll have at least 6 on loan players from both Arsenal & Chelsea, which will be fine for performance but will stifle our youth players, there will be no need for the academy in due course. I'm saying proposed success for what cost? Fine for the younger generation but not for the older ones, I get fed up with having to remember our successes through close nit communities!! We're lost I tells ya. Berks....Sorry but I cannot answer your questions, at this time.
Agree re youngsters. Harefield will be sold for housing or something and Simpson will have finished what he started.

The club has been miss-managed pure and simple and if he wasn’t judge, jury and executioner he would have fallen on his sword long ago.
[quote][p][bold]VoR[/bold] wrote: G.T... Yes mate I really do, we have an identity crisis here. He stated we'll have at least 6 on loan players from both Arsenal & Chelsea, which will be fine for performance but will stifle our youth players, there will be no need for the academy in due course. I'm saying proposed success for what cost? Fine for the younger generation but not for the older ones, I get fed up with having to remember our successes through close nit communities!! We're lost I tells ya. Berks....Sorry but I cannot answer your questions, at this time. [/p][/quote]Agree re youngsters. Harefield will be sold for housing or something and Simpson will have finished what he started. The club has been miss-managed pure and simple and if he wasn’t judge, jury and executioner he would have fallen on his sword long ago. GrahamTaylor
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8:49pm Mon 1 Dec 08

enlightened one says...

Absolute piffle VoR.Simpson's departure is long overdue,ashtons refusal to follow him out says an awful lot about him,clinging on to the bitter end no doubt in order to gain a nice payoff,the man is a disgrace.
Absolute piffle VoR.Simpson's departure is long overdue,ashtons refusal to follow him out says an awful lot about him,clinging on to the bitter end no doubt in order to gain a nice payoff,the man is a disgrace. enlightened one
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8:52pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Prof Plum says...

I’m bored of all this ill-informed conjecture and speculation – the fact is we won’t know what’s really going until the Watford Supporters Trust issues a statement. Ho ho
I’m bored of all this ill-informed conjecture and speculation – the fact is we won’t know what’s really going until the Watford Supporters Trust issues a statement. Ho ho Prof Plum
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9:02pm Mon 1 Dec 08

enlightened one says...

The watford supporters trust another of simpsons propaganda tools.

Apologies to KA VoR ?
The watford supporters trust another of simpsons propaganda tools. Apologies to KA VoR ? enlightened one
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9:12pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Jackie Dyke says...

Why, do you think you are in with a chance VoR?

Today was a great day for the club and for common sense!

Lets hope us supporters have an exciting new era to look forward to!
Why, do you think you are in with a chance VoR? Today was a great day for the club and for common sense! Lets hope us supporters have an exciting new era to look forward to! Jackie Dyke
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9:18pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Grigg says...

Can't believe I've scrolled down all these comments looking for Colin's and he hasn't posted! Perhaps it was all a double bluff and Colin was Simpson all along.
Can't believe I've scrolled down all these comments looking for Colin's and he hasn't posted! Perhaps it was all a double bluff and Colin was Simpson all along. Grigg
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9:37pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Vicarage Rat says...

Graham simpson today at the Egm was talking aload of nonsense as he started talking about the accounts and how he was on 125k a year as an average. How can this be true when the accounts show that GS has taken 1.6m in the past 2 years?
Graham simpson today at the Egm was talking aload of nonsense as he started talking about the accounts and how he was on 125k a year as an average. How can this be true when the accounts show that GS has taken 1.6m in the past 2 years? Vicarage Rat
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9:41pm Mon 1 Dec 08

VoR says...

Jackie Dyke wrote:
Why, do you think you are in with a chance VoR?

Today was a great day for the club and for common sense!

Lets hope us supporters have an exciting new era to look forward to!
Yes, yes I think I do.
I wish I could echo your sentiments Jack.
But what would Bill say or is he away on business again?
Thankyou for my little "o" btw
[quote][p][bold]Jackie Dyke[/bold] wrote: Why, do you think you are in with a chance VoR? Today was a great day for the club and for common sense! Lets hope us supporters have an exciting new era to look forward to![/p][/quote]Yes, yes I think I do. I wish I could echo your sentiments Jack. But what would Bill say or is he away on business again? Thankyou for my little "o" btw VoR
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9:41pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Brains, Tracy Island says...

This all makes for depressing reading.

I really hope that GS is vindicated in the medium term because I think he's a decent bloke. The next few weeks will be really interesting as I'm sure there's a lot more to come out and I'm sitting here in total disbelief to be honest.

I agree that the lack of consistency here really does indicate that this was a knee jerk reaction to something happening this morning.

I'm also worried. We've a great infra-structure and I would hate to see that destroyed by some big time Charlie.

BTW, has anybody else noticed that the (in)famous plan B may have claimed another victim? Harry hasn't been at the last two matches.

Has Harry been sent packing as well?

Now when you make the mascot redundant, you know that you're in trouble!!
This all makes for depressing reading. I really hope that GS is vindicated in the medium term because I think he's a decent bloke. The next few weeks will be really interesting as I'm sure there's a lot more to come out and I'm sitting here in total disbelief to be honest. I agree that the lack of consistency here really does indicate that this was a knee jerk reaction to something happening this morning. I'm also worried. We've a great infra-structure and I would hate to see that destroyed by some big time Charlie. BTW, has anybody else noticed that the (in)famous plan B may have claimed another victim? Harry hasn't been at the last two matches. Has Harry been sent packing as well? Now when you make the mascot redundant, you know that you're in trouble!! Brains, Tracy Island
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9:46pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Vicarage Rat says...

Brains, you need yours tested!
Brains, you need yours tested! Vicarage Rat
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10:20pm Mon 1 Dec 08

Hornet Cornet says...

All,

Just to add my point of view into the mix, but I'm glad he's gone as he, like Aidy, lostthe plot 2 years ago. He should've gone then.

We're in a nosedive, the likes of which we've not seen before. The fans can get behind out teenybopper players but the rot set in 2 years ago and the club is rotten, almost to the core.

Boofers has gone, Homer has gone and our decent players were all sold off. We've been throughly mismanaged and we, as fans, have been duped by a bunch of conmen.

Give Buck Rodgers 2 months to sort them out, otherwise I propose that Harry the Hornet takes over.

HC

P.S: vOr, you know that I love you more than any pig, but you need to wake up and smell the manure, we're in dire dire straits.
All, Just to add my point of view into the mix, but I'm glad he's gone as he, like Aidy, lostthe plot 2 years ago. He should've gone then. We're in a nosedive, the likes of which we've not seen before. The fans can get behind out teenybopper players but the rot set in 2 years ago and the club is rotten, almost to the core. Boofers has gone, Homer has gone and our decent players were all sold off. We've been throughly mismanaged and we, as fans, have been duped by a bunch of conmen. Give Buck Rodgers 2 months to sort them out, otherwise I propose that Harry the Hornet takes over. HC P.S: vOr, you know that I love you more than any pig, but you need to wake up and smell the manure, we're in dire dire straits. Hornet Cornet
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10:48pm Mon 1 Dec 08

T Smith says...

VoR posting his normal drivel I see! Its way past your bedtime son, you've got school in the morning.
Whatever deal was done you can be sure that the truth WILL eventually find its way to the surface. Simpson will not hide it forever!
VoR posting his normal drivel I see! Its way past your bedtime son, you've got school in the morning. Whatever deal was done you can be sure that the truth WILL eventually find its way to the surface. Simpson will not hide it forever! T Smith
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11:05pm Mon 1 Dec 08

derry pigweed says...

Berks Horn wrote:
Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm.....
Hopefully Rodgers will follow Homer! as at the moment we WFC are in crisis and trying to retain championship status and we don't need some **** who thinks that managing chelsea reserves to sixth place in the reserve league, who is happy with a home draw vs Doncaster!
This is Disgrace
[quote][p][bold]Berks Horn[/bold] wrote: Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm.....[/p][/quote]Hopefully Rodgers will follow Homer! as at the moment we WFC are in crisis and trying to retain championship status and we don't need some **** who thinks that managing chelsea reserves to sixth place in the reserve league, who is happy with a home draw vs Doncaster! This is Disgrace derry pigweed
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7:15am Tue 2 Dec 08

Oh when the 'Orns says...

Seems alot of people did not go yesterday. I did. Found it very interesting indeed. After the announcement it became effecctively a Q&A session, with some interesting questions and some aggressive questions.

I thought Ashton got off very lightly, and was like a schoolboy cowering when he did speak. Whilst I've not always liked him, I thought SImpson was very dignified in the way he spoke.

Who knows whether these secret talks pushed him? Who knows if something was being hidden? Ultimately, Simpson struck me as a Watford fan who is a bit naive. He admitted some mistakes regarding being sucked in by Aidy, thinking he was the next best thing.

He didn't dodge any questions for mine, and spoke at length about the possible effect on football of the credit crunch. If it's true, we may see others alot owrse than us.

He did say to judge him in 18 months time. This I think is the right thing to do, after all by that point we'll know alot more about how good our new manager is or is not, and also financially how we and others stand as football enters a period of change.
Seems alot of people did not go yesterday. I did. Found it very interesting indeed. After the announcement it became effecctively a Q&A session, with some interesting questions and some aggressive questions. I thought Ashton got off very lightly, and was like a schoolboy cowering when he did speak. Whilst I've not always liked him, I thought SImpson was very dignified in the way he spoke. Who knows whether these secret talks pushed him? Who knows if something was being hidden? Ultimately, Simpson struck me as a Watford fan who is a bit naive. He admitted some mistakes regarding being sucked in by Aidy, thinking he was the next best thing. He didn't dodge any questions for mine, and spoke at length about the possible effect on football of the credit crunch. If it's true, we may see others alot owrse than us. He did say to judge him in 18 months time. This I think is the right thing to do, after all by that point we'll know alot more about how good our new manager is or is not, and also financially how we and others stand as football enters a period of change. Oh when the 'Orns
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8:07am Tue 2 Dec 08

GrahamTaylor says...

The trouble is I believe we will be in the deep brown sticky stuff in 18 months time. And everybody will be saying wasn’t life better with Hommer. Truth is it will take us a long time to recover from HIS mistakes.

I Have no sympathy re being taken in by Hoofers. Hommer was the Boss buck stops there I’m afraid. You give a manager a budget and he works within it. Thinking AB was the second coming is the same mistake the board made with Vialli. Wasn’t Hommer part of that board too, seems he never learnt any lessons.

I also wouldn’t use naivety and Simpson in the same sentence is a self made successful businessman you do not do that if you are naive. This was calculated the directors got a hard on and thought they would be in the premiership following an excellent start to season and spent accordingly. From there it went horribly wrong both on and off the field.
The trouble is I believe we will be in the deep brown sticky stuff in 18 months time. And everybody will be saying wasn’t life better with Hommer. Truth is it will take us a long time to recover from HIS mistakes. I Have no sympathy re being taken in by Hoofers. Hommer was the Boss buck stops there I’m afraid. You give a manager a budget and he works within it. Thinking AB was the second coming is the same mistake the board made with Vialli. Wasn’t Hommer part of that board too, seems he never learnt any lessons. I also wouldn’t use naivety and Simpson in the same sentence is a self made successful businessman you do not do that if you are naive. This was calculated the directors got a hard on and thought they would be in the premiership following an excellent start to season and spent accordingly. From there it went horribly wrong both on and off the field. GrahamTaylor
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8:09am Tue 2 Dec 08

GrahamTaylor says...

Berks Horn wrote:
Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm.....
He actually said he was aware he would be leaving (which was common knowledge) but didn’t expect it to be so soon.
[quote][p][bold]Berks Horn[/bold] wrote: Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm.....[/p][/quote]He actually said he was aware he would be leaving (which was common knowledge) but didn’t expect it to be so soon. GrahamTaylor
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8:35am Tue 2 Dec 08

Chris the Vic says...

Total madness...Gs wouldn't sppoint a manager if he knew he was going...Wouldn't he???

The Russos got there by blackmail..Did they?? Or do they have money already invested in the club...which helped GS to save the club.

Only hope now is GT?? Did he run the club or was there a Chief Exec called Eddie Plumley around when GT managed the club so well.

The End of WFC...rubbish

GS a criminal/fraudster..
.rubbish

Clappers and critics please refrain from all this nonsense.

If I were to speculate Firstly I would reckon we will never become a feeder club for Chelski..for a start they dont need us

Secondly the chat between GS and the Russos prior to the EGM will NOT have been the first convo they had on those matters..but you can be certain there was brinkmanship occurring and the final details of the agreement were finalised prior to the EGM.

What I am certain of is that WFC will carry on even if we revert back to the levels of the old Division 3 or 4 or Divison 3 south...

The only real facts we know is that when GS took over we were in a poor position..During his stewardship we were financially strengthed (mainly not with his money) and towards the end he allowed the club to be badly run by Mark Ashton and Aidy Boothroyd. People who certain clappers defended based on at times complete irrelevances. Those same people who now laud GS and predict doom and gloom. Equally critics state total untruths about salaries etc.

Suggestion if you dont know ask...if you dont agree with comments try and put up a constructive argument and finally please dont point fingers with half baked claims defaming people like Homer whilst you hide behind a pseudonym...You bring the club and support into disrepute. We need to go forward and give whoever is in charge a fair crack of the whip. If they make mistakes and admit to them thank them for their honesty...If they misleadand use spin then they need to go because above all as a plc and a football club we as fans/shareholders etc are entitled to transparency which then allows us to trust those who guide the club. This is what was missing in the last couple of years.
Total madness...Gs wouldn't sppoint a manager if he knew he was going...Wouldn't he??? The Russos got there by blackmail..Did they?? Or do they have money already invested in the club...which helped GS to save the club. Only hope now is GT?? Did he run the club or was there a Chief Exec called Eddie Plumley around when GT managed the club so well. The End of WFC...rubbish GS a criminal/fraudster.. .rubbish Clappers and critics please refrain from all this nonsense. If I were to speculate Firstly I would reckon we will never become a feeder club for Chelski..for a start they dont need us Secondly the chat between GS and the Russos prior to the EGM will NOT have been the first convo they had on those matters..but you can be certain there was brinkmanship occurring and the final details of the agreement were finalised prior to the EGM. What I am certain of is that WFC will carry on even if we revert back to the levels of the old Division 3 or 4 or Divison 3 south... The only real facts we know is that when GS took over we were in a poor position..During his stewardship we were financially strengthed (mainly not with his money) and towards the end he allowed the club to be badly run by Mark Ashton and Aidy Boothroyd. People who certain clappers defended based on at times complete irrelevances. Those same people who now laud GS and predict doom and gloom. Equally critics state total untruths about salaries etc. Suggestion if you dont know ask...if you dont agree with comments try and put up a constructive argument and finally please dont point fingers with half baked claims defaming people like Homer whilst you hide behind a pseudonym...You bring the club and support into disrepute. We need to go forward and give whoever is in charge a fair crack of the whip. If they make mistakes and admit to them thank them for their honesty...If they misleadand use spin then they need to go because above all as a plc and a football club we as fans/shareholders etc are entitled to transparency which then allows us to trust those who guide the club. This is what was missing in the last couple of years. Chris the Vic
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8:53am Tue 2 Dec 08

Paradise Watford says...

One of the 'red tops' today is spinning Simpson leaving as the club going into total meltdown with administration looming and the club selling Smith to Stoke and O'Toole to Wolves in January just in order to pay the players wages until the end of the season.

Typical sensationalism based on speculation or fact.... ?
One of the 'red tops' today is spinning Simpson leaving as the club going into total meltdown with administration looming and the club selling Smith to Stoke and O'Toole to Wolves in January just in order to pay the players wages until the end of the season. Typical sensationalism based on speculation or fact.... ? Paradise Watford
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9:19am Tue 2 Dec 08

VoR says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
All,

Just to add my point of view into the mix, but I'm glad he's gone as he, like Aidy, lostthe plot 2 years ago. He should've gone then.

We're in a nosedive, the likes of which we've not seen before. The fans can get behind out teenybopper players but the rot set in 2 years ago and the club is rotten, almost to the core.

Boofers has gone, Homer has gone and our decent players were all sold off. We've been throughly mismanaged and we, as fans, have been duped by a bunch of conmen.

Give Buck Rodgers 2 months to sort them out, otherwise I propose that Harry the Hornet takes over.

HC

P.S: vOr, you know that I love you more than any pig, but you need to wake up and smell the manure, we're in dire dire straits.
I do know that, Cornet.
I have intimated that in previous posts and with GS leaving we're in a worse state still.
I have heard we're 10 + million in debt.
This is bad! oh so is the smell!
Much luv too. x
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: All, Just to add my point of view into the mix, but I'm glad he's gone as he, like Aidy, lostthe plot 2 years ago. He should've gone then. We're in a nosedive, the likes of which we've not seen before. The fans can get behind out teenybopper players but the rot set in 2 years ago and the club is rotten, almost to the core. Boofers has gone, Homer has gone and our decent players were all sold off. We've been throughly mismanaged and we, as fans, have been duped by a bunch of conmen. Give Buck Rodgers 2 months to sort them out, otherwise I propose that Harry the Hornet takes over. HC P.S: vOr, you know that I love you more than any pig, but you need to wake up and smell the manure, we're in dire dire straits.[/p][/quote]I do know that, Cornet. I have intimated that in previous posts and with GS leaving we're in a worse state still. I have heard we're 10 + million in debt. This is bad! oh so is the smell! Much luv too. x VoR
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9:42am Tue 2 Dec 08

Berks Horn says...

GrahamTaylor wrote:
Berks Horn wrote: Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm.....
He actually said he was aware he would be leaving (which was common knowledge) but didn’t expect it to be so soon.
Saw him interviewed on TV last night and he didn't seem particularly bothered. What does he know that we don't I wonder.
[quote][p][bold]GrahamTaylor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Berks Horn[/bold] wrote: Sky is reporting that Rodgers was aware that Simpson might be leaving soon when he took the job. Hmmm.....[/p][/quote]He actually said he was aware he would be leaving (which was common knowledge) but didn’t expect it to be so soon.[/p][/quote]Saw him interviewed on TV last night and he didn't seem particularly bothered. What does he know that we don't I wonder. Berks Horn
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10:42am Tue 2 Dec 08

Roger68 says...

Chris has called for transparency, which is the basis of trust, and the new owners (if the Russos are indeed the new owners--see, we do not even know that for sure yet) should start off with a policy of transparency. I do not like the fact that the future of the club was decided in secret, behind closed doors, which allows the old owner to be accused of having something to hide and the (presumed) new ones to be accused of blackmail. So the first requirement is for a full account of what the "deal" is that lies behind the resignation and the trasfer of ownership. The next requirement is for the Russos to state clearly their aims for the club. Will they keep the manager? Will they make keeping the Academy a priority? How do they plan to finance the club for the rest of this season, and, crucially, next season when revenues will fall to under £10M and the wage bill will have to be trimmed to below £7M. We know players will have to be sold so no point is asking them to promise no sales, , but we could ask how manyhave to go. But Watford have never met running costs from revenue , so how do the Russos propose to fund the revenue/cost gap in future years? With loans (who will lend?) With share issues(who will buy?) With asset sales (what will they sell?) . We could ask about ground share/redevelopment plans too, but maybe that can wait. Time for questions is at the AGM or via the WO or WST, so this saga is not over yet.
Chris has called for transparency, which is the basis of trust, and the new owners (if the Russos are indeed the new owners--see, we do not even know that for sure yet) should start off with a policy of transparency. I do not like the fact that the future of the club was decided in secret, behind closed doors, which allows the old owner to be accused of having something to hide and the (presumed) new ones to be accused of blackmail. So the first requirement is for a full account of what the "deal" is that lies behind the resignation and the trasfer of ownership. The next requirement is for the Russos to state clearly their aims for the club. Will they keep the manager? Will they make keeping the Academy a priority? How do they plan to finance the club for the rest of this season, and, crucially, next season when revenues will fall to under £10M and the wage bill will have to be trimmed to below £7M. We know players will have to be sold so no point is asking them to promise no sales, , but we could ask how manyhave to go. But Watford have never met running costs from revenue , so how do the Russos propose to fund the revenue/cost gap in future years? With loans (who will lend?) With share issues(who will buy?) With asset sales (what will they sell?) . We could ask about ground share/redevelopment plans too, but maybe that can wait. Time for questions is at the AGM or via the WO or WST, so this saga is not over yet. Roger68
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12:19pm Tue 2 Dec 08

a1derek says...

One thing that has not been picked up on is the comments of the Auditors in that they had "concerns" regards the accounts.

I know a retired very senior accountant who has had a look at the financial statements in depth (he has far too much time on his hands) and his view is that essentially they "don't say much" and certainly "don't reveal the true financial state" of the Club.

However, he did say that we need to look at the liabilities...who they are due to and when they need to be paid as this is not mentioned in the accounts.

I would be very interested to know if this is the area in which maybe the Salad boys had some "dirt" on GS?

Whatever, the figures don't add up and with the deal that has been done I now think it's very unlikely we will ever know the truth.

Let's hope the Russos have the backing or money to stabilise and then move forward the club.

Regards Buck, he says he needs time...I don't think we have too much of that!
One thing that has not been picked up on is the comments of the Auditors in that they had "concerns" regards the accounts. I know a retired very senior accountant who has had a look at the financial statements in depth (he has far too much time on his hands) and his view is that essentially they "don't say much" and certainly "don't reveal the true financial state" of the Club. However, he did say that we need to look at the liabilities...who they are due to and when they need to be paid as this is not mentioned in the accounts. I would be very interested to know if this is the area in which maybe the Salad boys had some "dirt" on GS? Whatever, the figures don't add up and with the deal that has been done I now think it's very unlikely we will ever know the truth. Let's hope the Russos have the backing or money to stabilise and then move forward the club. Regards Buck, he says he needs time...I don't think we have too much of that! a1derek
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1:42pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Billie says...

vOr seems troubled, back to their vindictive and absurd self. Amazing coincidence of GS suddenly having a health problem minutes before the EGM. Dream on. Draw a line under his regime...he is history, the CE has to go next and go now. GS tried to say at the meeting his pay was £120k (or was it £110k...can't recall) a year for the 6 years. What? His bonus last year (06/07) and this years payare more than that. Ridiculous.
Any way, well done the Russos, and sincere good luck for the future. Well done Kevin Affleck. Sincere good luck for the future. Shame on you Supporters Trust...you may have backed the Board but they shafted you along with many others. You were taken in even as many people including your own members warned you.
vOr seems troubled, back to their vindictive and absurd self. Amazing coincidence of GS suddenly having a health problem minutes before the EGM. Dream on. Draw a line under his regime...he is history, the CE has to go next and go now. GS tried to say at the meeting his pay was £120k (or was it £110k...can't recall) a year for the 6 years. What? His bonus last year (06/07) and this years payare more than that. Ridiculous. Any way, well done the Russos, and sincere good luck for the future. Well done Kevin Affleck. Sincere good luck for the future. Shame on you Supporters Trust...you may have backed the Board but they shafted you along with many others. You were taken in even as many people including your own members warned you. Billie
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2:58pm Tue 2 Dec 08

mkhorn says...

Please read Chris the vics post. Sense at last. Come you horns for tomorrow!!!
Please read Chris the vics post. Sense at last. Come you horns for tomorrow!!! mkhorn
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3:21pm Tue 2 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

Well lets hope any new investors are interested for the good of the club rather than their own back pockets and wealth.

Fine the chairman has gone but Ashton is still around and a replacement needs to be found quickly.
Well lets hope any new investors are interested for the good of the club rather than their own back pockets and wealth. Fine the chairman has gone but Ashton is still around and a replacement needs to be found quickly. WFC4ever
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3:37pm Tue 2 Dec 08

ralphinator says...

Billie - Please stop your ridiculous fawning over the unlamented Affleck, who has done as much to undermine the club as anyone in my 40 years of supporting the club. Nasty and vindictive and well rid of.
Good comment from Chris the Vic and, as usual, Roger.
In my view, the Russos may well be the fire to Simpson's frying pan.
Billie - Please stop your ridiculous fawning over the unlamented Affleck, who has done as much to undermine the club as anyone in my 40 years of supporting the club. Nasty and vindictive and well rid of. Good comment from Chris the Vic and, as usual, Roger. In my view, the Russos may well be the fire to Simpson's frying pan. ralphinator
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4:00pm Tue 2 Dec 08

JonBoy says...

Personally I believe that Affleck's reporting style was purely in response to the stalinist like executive we have at our club. Gagging orders, spin, threats of litigation are not what you would expect of a family club. Sadly these memories are the legacy of Simpson.
Personally I believe that Affleck's reporting style was purely in response to the stalinist like executive we have at our club. Gagging orders, spin, threats of litigation are not what you would expect of a family club. Sadly these memories are the legacy of Simpson. JonBoy
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4:51pm Tue 2 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

I think with the result of the EGM now concluded the following meausres have to be put in place.

Affleck is reinstated.
Ashton Goes.
Tory Goes.
Elton is reinstated
Rodger and VoR who have defended this tyrant to withdraw from the board.
The supporters Trust Leaders to go.

I would also like the club to stop building houses on the stadium as this is only leading one way but i dont think that is going to happen.

I think with the result of the EGM now concluded the following meausres have to be put in place. Affleck is reinstated. Ashton Goes. Tory Goes. Elton is reinstated Rodger and VoR who have defended this tyrant to withdraw from the board. The supporters Trust Leaders to go. I would also like the club to stop building houses on the stadium as this is only leading one way but i dont think that is going to happen. ab11uk
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5:35pm Tue 2 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

and in to replace them are...

Its not really up to the club to stop the building work as such now they are in a contract with some sort of health campus (maybe a bad idea in the first place?)

Affleck probably has a much better job working for UEFA I believe.

Elton quit himself...is up to him if he wants to come back.

The "Tory" is the main shareholder...I presume you think the Russos are going to take him over?

Not saying your wrong (Ashton will go probably anyway..) but its all easy to say get rid of this and that but who replaces them now?

If only life was this easy.

Now what can we do about the actual team which is the important thing now so many have got their way with Aidy and Mr Simpson going....?

Give Rodgers time and hope whoever comes in or is left on the board don't sell Smith etc but wasters like McAnuff/Eustace





and in to replace them are... Its not really up to the club to stop the building work as such now they are in a contract with some sort of health campus (maybe a bad idea in the first place?) Affleck probably has a much better job working for UEFA I believe. Elton quit himself...is up to him if he wants to come back. The "Tory" is the main shareholder...I presume you think the Russos are going to take him over? Not saying your wrong (Ashton will go probably anyway..) but its all easy to say get rid of this and that but who replaces them now? If only life was this easy. Now what can we do about the actual team which is the important thing now so many have got their way with Aidy and Mr Simpson going....? Give Rodgers time and hope whoever comes in or is left on the board don't sell Smith etc but wasters like McAnuff/Eustace WFC4ever
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5:38pm Tue 2 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

Prof Plum wrote:
Amid all the blood-letting and conspiracy theories I'd almost forgotten we've got a League Cup quarter final on wednesday evening. Come on you 'Orns!!!!
Hopefully we'll win or play well otherwise Rodgers will get stick.
[quote][p][bold]Prof Plum[/bold] wrote: Amid all the blood-letting and conspiracy theories I'd almost forgotten we've got a League Cup quarter final on wednesday evening. Come on you 'Orns!!!![/p][/quote]Hopefully we'll win or play well otherwise Rodgers will get stick. WFC4ever
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6:09pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Prof Plum says...

ab11 – re your call for Rodger and VoR to withdraw from the board – I think you’d find this forum rather duller if everyone that contributed to it agreed with each other. If you don’t like diverse opinions go and join the Taliban.

That said, I agree with all your other your points - although I'd go a step further with the Supporters Trust and suggest the whole thing slips quietly away.
ab11 – re your call for Rodger and VoR to withdraw from the board – I think you’d find this forum rather duller if everyone that contributed to it agreed with each other. If you don’t like diverse opinions go and join the Taliban. That said, I agree with all your other your points - although I'd go a step further with the Supporters Trust and suggest the whole thing slips quietly away. Prof Plum
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6:34pm Tue 2 Dec 08

VoR says...

Prof Plum wrote:
ab11 – re your call for Rodger and VoR to withdraw from the board – I think you’d find this forum rather duller if everyone that contributed to it agreed with each other. If you don’t like diverse opinions go and join the Taliban.

That said, I agree with all your other your points - although I'd go a step further with the Supporters Trust and suggest the whole thing slips quietly away.
Blow himself up on a mission ....

Hopefully!
[quote][p][bold]Prof Plum[/bold] wrote: ab11 – re your call for Rodger and VoR to withdraw from the board – I think you’d find this forum rather duller if everyone that contributed to it agreed with each other. If you don’t like diverse opinions go and join the Taliban. That said, I agree with all your other your points - although I'd go a step further with the Supporters Trust and suggest the whole thing slips quietly away. [/p][/quote]Blow himself up on a mission .... Hopefully! VoR
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6:58pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Graham Gimpson says...


Graham Sterry, Frances Lynn,

Have you not resigned yet? Guess you are too busy kissing the Russos' ar*se and apologising for backing the wrong horse and being completely spineless.
Let's hope the Russos realise what a useless organisation you are and don't give you any information. Or they could do what your good friends GS and MA did and spin you the wrong information because they know how easy it is to trick you rose-tinted fools.
I'm waiting for the statement on your website to say you know exactly what went on in the secret talks before the EGM but are 'bound by confidentially'. The truth is, you never had a clue what was going on behind the scenes. Pathetic
Graham Sterry, Frances Lynn, Have you not resigned yet? Guess you are too busy kissing the Russos' ar*se and apologising for backing the wrong horse and being completely spineless. Let's hope the Russos realise what a useless organisation you are and don't give you any information. Or they could do what your good friends GS and MA did and spin you the wrong information because they know how easy it is to trick you rose-tinted fools. I'm waiting for the statement on your website to say you know exactly what went on in the secret talks before the EGM but are 'bound by confidentially'. The truth is, you never had a clue what was going on behind the scenes. Pathetic Graham Gimpson
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7:27pm Tue 2 Dec 08

T Smith says...

VoR should just be ignored! But I do admit he's amusing! A bit like having a pet bafoon!
The "board" (and I do use that word tongue in cheek) of the Supporters Trust have to resign! They have been a waste of space for a very long time now and after their pathetic 20 v 0 vote to back Simpson then they should leave immediately.Shame on them, lets hope the other members of the Trust ensure they don't darken our doors again!
VoR should just be ignored! But I do admit he's amusing! A bit like having a pet bafoon! The "board" (and I do use that word tongue in cheek) of the Supporters Trust have to resign! They have been a waste of space for a very long time now and after their pathetic 20 v 0 vote to back Simpson then they should leave immediately.Shame on them, lets hope the other members of the Trust ensure they don't darken our doors again! T Smith
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7:38pm Tue 2 Dec 08

VoR says...

x1 "U" and x2 "F"s in Buffoon, Dog-nob-dribble !
x1 "U" and x2 "F"s in Buffoon, Dog-nob-dribble ! VoR
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7:45pm Tue 2 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

T Smith wrote:
VoR should just be ignored! But I do admit he's amusing! A bit like having a pet bafoon! The "board" (and I do use that word tongue in cheek) of the Supporters Trust have to resign! They have been a waste of space for a very long time now and after their pathetic 20 v 0 vote to back Simpson then they should leave immediately.Shame on them, lets hope the other members of the Trust ensure they don't darken our doors again!
Looking forward to you and Gimpson setting up your own version in the future to replace the current one...

;)

The members are quite old and your probably young enough to take over...

[quote][p][bold]T Smith[/bold] wrote: VoR should just be ignored! But I do admit he's amusing! A bit like having a pet bafoon! The "board" (and I do use that word tongue in cheek) of the Supporters Trust have to resign! They have been a waste of space for a very long time now and after their pathetic 20 v 0 vote to back Simpson then they should leave immediately.Shame on them, lets hope the other members of the Trust ensure they don't darken our doors again![/p][/quote]Looking forward to you and Gimpson setting up your own version in the future to replace the current one... ;) The members are quite old and your probably young enough to take over... WFC4ever
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8:05pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Hexham Hornet says...

Why is everybody knocking BR? Give the lad a chance, he has just arrived and is undefeated in the league. He does not need morons who know nothing about him saying it is time to go.

What he and the players need is for us all to get behind them and be real supporters.
Why is everybody knocking BR? Give the lad a chance, he has just arrived and is undefeated in the league. He does not need morons who know nothing about him saying it is time to go. What he and the players need is for us all to get behind them and be real supporters. Hexham Hornet
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9:00pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Hornet Cornet says...

I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes!

Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all.

Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m.

HC
I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes! Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all. Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m. HC Hornet Cornet
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9:11pm Tue 2 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes! Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all. Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m. HC
Exactly which is why I am not jumping up and down yet.

I want to hear what any new plans/ideas a new investor has...

E/G Does he want the best for the club or his wallet to make a quick buck?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes! Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all. Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m. HC[/p][/quote]Exactly which is why I am not jumping up and down yet. I want to hear what any new plans/ideas a new investor has... E/G Does he want the best for the club or his wallet to make a quick buck? WFC4ever
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11:00pm Tue 2 Dec 08

ozzi says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes!

Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all.

Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m.

HC
yeh why downt u go and rob a bank then u idiut. if arl u want is 50£ mil. loowser.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes! Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all. Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m. HC[/p][/quote]yeh why downt u go and rob a bank then u idiut. if arl u want is 50£ mil. loowser. ozzi
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11:04pm Tue 2 Dec 08

T Smith says...

Watch this space! My pet "retard" VoR can be the tea boy! Well, maybe not,I hear that Simpson needs a cleaner to remove the traces of "the secret meeting" I immediately thought of VoR! A perfect job for the man whose tongue reaches parts of Simpson that no other person thought existed!LOL! More importantly, when are those so called Watford Trust "board" members going to resign. They are now the only joke (apart from VoR) who are left who pretend they support the success of the club!
Watch this space! My pet "retard" VoR can be the tea boy! Well, maybe not,I hear that Simpson needs a cleaner to remove the traces of "the secret meeting" I immediately thought of VoR! A perfect job for the man whose tongue reaches parts of Simpson that no other person thought existed!LOL! More importantly, when are those so called Watford Trust "board" members going to resign. They are now the only joke (apart from VoR) who are left who pretend they support the success of the club! T Smith
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11:26pm Tue 2 Dec 08

VoR says...

T Smith wrote:
Watch this space! My pet "retard" VoR can be the tea boy! Well, maybe not,I hear that Simpson needs a cleaner to remove the traces of "the secret meeting" I immediately thought of VoR! A perfect job for the man whose tongue reaches parts of Simpson that no other person thought existed!LOL! More importantly, when are those so called Watford Trust "board" members going to resign. They are now the only joke (apart from VoR) who are left who pretend they support the success of the club!
Ahhh I see what you're trying to do, failed miserably, good try tho'...A genius? No just an utter, utter Mongaloid of the highest order
Retard instead of Buffoon?.....Lol, Lmfao, Ott, Imho, Atm, Btw.

I'm warming to you, would you be so kind as to post me your address, I would dearly like to send you a Crizzy card.
Many thanks & best wishes....V.x
[quote][p][bold]T Smith[/bold] wrote: Watch this space! My pet "retard" VoR can be the tea boy! Well, maybe not,I hear that Simpson needs a cleaner to remove the traces of "the secret meeting" I immediately thought of VoR! A perfect job for the man whose tongue reaches parts of Simpson that no other person thought existed!LOL! More importantly, when are those so called Watford Trust "board" members going to resign. They are now the only joke (apart from VoR) who are left who pretend they support the success of the club![/p][/quote]Ahhh I see what you're trying to do, failed miserably, good try tho'...A genius? No just an utter, utter Mongaloid of the highest order Retard instead of Buffoon?.....Lol, Lmfao, Ott, Imho, Atm, Btw. I'm warming to you, would you be so kind as to post me your address, I would dearly like to send you a Crizzy card. Many thanks & best wishes....V.x VoR
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9:22am Wed 3 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

Can I ask how old people are on here because it seems like a lot of kids points scoring are around?



Can I ask how old people are on here because it seems like a lot of kids points scoring are around? WFC4ever
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9:35am Wed 3 Dec 08

Paradise Watford says...

VoR v. T Smith... corr, this takes me back to my childhood. Two kids having an argument in the playground, handbags ready, ring of children forming around them all chanting 'fight, fight, fight, fight'..... Maybe you could sell the rights to your fight to Sky in time for tonights game?

A boxing ring could be set up in the centre circle and you could be the half time entertainment. Maybe get Harry the Hornet and his long lost wife Harriet as the undercard fight?

Ooh, ooh, ooh - just had a brain wave, maybe you two could wear costumes too. Vor, personally I thought T Smith meant to call you a baboon not a buffoon so those are your two options for costumes and T Smith you can either be a retard or a mongaloid (whatever that is, but it sounds fierce so my money is on you).

Winner gets a pie, loser gets a season ticket at Luton

VoR v. T Smith... corr, this takes me back to my childhood. Two kids having an argument in the playground, handbags ready, ring of children forming around them all chanting 'fight, fight, fight, fight'..... Maybe you could sell the rights to your fight to Sky in time for tonights game? A boxing ring could be set up in the centre circle and you could be the half time entertainment. Maybe get Harry the Hornet and his long lost wife Harriet as the undercard fight? Ooh, ooh, ooh - just had a brain wave, maybe you two could wear costumes too. Vor, personally I thought T Smith meant to call you a baboon not a buffoon so those are your two options for costumes and T Smith you can either be a retard or a mongaloid (whatever that is, but it sounds fierce so my money is on you). Winner gets a pie, loser gets a season ticket at Luton Paradise Watford
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10:31am Wed 3 Dec 08

RealityfromSouthMimms says...

Looks like Ca$hton, you're next and when you leave don't forget to switch the lights off.
Looks like Ca$hton, you're next and when you leave don't forget to switch the lights off. RealityfromSouthMimms
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11:22am Wed 3 Dec 08

Roger68 says...

Come on guys get a grip. Stop using this forum to insult each other (or to try to bully people to stop posting) and focus on debating the issues that affect the club , or on football matters. Is this a name-calling playground forum , or a place for reasoned (it can still be passionate) debate?

In a (probably doomed) attempt to get some direction back into the debate, let me restate my point. Hornet Cornet wants someone to take over the club who will "tell us how things really are". So do I. That is why I am asking the Russo's :are you really in charge now? If so will you now start to show some leadership? We need to know how they intend to manage the club through the impending financial crisis. As far as I know the club is not currently in a huge debt situation. But from this moment it is indeed running up debts, which will gradually get worse if the wage bill is not trimmed to about £7M by next season. Even then, the club will be running at a loss, (and accumulating debt) even assuming we stay in this division. Prudently, relegation needs to be planned for, (i.e a Plan D to replace whatever Plan C the Russo's devise to replace Simpson now defunct Plan B). When he became chairman (in a worse financial scenarion than the one we have now) Simpson did have a plan (which turned out to be successful) for avoiding impending administration and even moving the club forward. So if the Russo's are indeed the new owners/drivers of the club what is their plan? If they won't tell us, the WO or the WST must ask. This is not a defence of Simpson (time for all that is past) it is a reasonable request. Discuss, without abuse.
Come on guys get a grip. Stop using this forum to insult each other (or to try to bully people to stop posting) and focus on debating the issues that affect the club , or on football matters. Is this a name-calling playground forum , or a place for reasoned (it can still be passionate) debate? In a (probably doomed) attempt to get some direction back into the debate, let me restate my point. Hornet Cornet wants someone to take over the club who will "tell us how things really are". So do I. That is why I am asking the Russo's :are you really in charge now? If so will you now start to show some leadership? We need to know how they intend to manage the club through the impending financial crisis. As far as I know the club is not currently in a huge debt situation. But from this moment it is indeed running up debts, which will gradually get worse if the wage bill is not trimmed to about £7M by next season. Even then, the club will be running at a loss, (and accumulating debt) even assuming we stay in this division. Prudently, relegation needs to be planned for, (i.e a Plan D to replace whatever Plan C the Russo's devise to replace Simpson now defunct Plan B). When he became chairman (in a worse financial scenarion than the one we have now) Simpson did have a plan (which turned out to be successful) for avoiding impending administration and even moving the club forward. So if the Russo's are indeed the new owners/drivers of the club what is their plan? If they won't tell us, the WO or the WST must ask. This is not a defence of Simpson (time for all that is past) it is a reasonable request. Discuss, without abuse. Roger68
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12:07pm Wed 3 Dec 08

ab11uk says...

Oh Roger68

I feel sorry for brendan. People on the board think the abuse is aimed at him when its actually aimed at you.

You cna quote plans a-z till your blue in the face of being a success under simpson.

the simple fact is he has gone. you ask the russos for a statement of intent and yet you were so happy under the constant spin/empty quotes simpson provided.

Strange how you were so happy for simpson to tell us nothing but now he has gone u seem different
Oh Roger68 I feel sorry for brendan. People on the board think the abuse is aimed at him when its actually aimed at you. You cna quote plans a-z till your blue in the face of being a success under simpson. the simple fact is he has gone. you ask the russos for a statement of intent and yet you were so happy under the constant spin/empty quotes simpson provided. Strange how you were so happy for simpson to tell us nothing but now he has gone u seem different ab11uk
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12:18pm Wed 3 Dec 08

johnny b says...

Brendan has been on sky saying we have a good chance tonight,and he still see,s us having a chance of promotion on talk sport..
Fella from the news of the world,reckon,s he,s the equivalant of a british jose mariniho,and will be a prem manager in 4-5 yrs,he,s that good,so everyone cheer up,cos the new messiah has arrived..
Brendan has been on sky saying we have a good chance tonight,and he still see,s us having a chance of promotion on talk sport.. Fella from the news of the world,reckon,s he,s the equivalant of a british jose mariniho,and will be a prem manager in 4-5 yrs,he,s that good,so everyone cheer up,cos the new messiah has arrived.. johnny b
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12:21pm Wed 3 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

Trouble is we aren't Chelsea with the money and top class players...

Trouble is we aren't Chelsea with the money and top class players... WFC4ever
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12:23pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Paradise Watford says...

I like the name calling, don't stop please. I'm bored at work and need the entertainment
I like the name calling, don't stop please. I'm bored at work and need the entertainment Paradise Watford
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12:32pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Paradise Watford says...

On the subject of ownership whoever is in charge does need to clarify where the club is at right now.

Okay, they may not be obliged to but at the end of the day the club needs to remember that regardless of who physically owns the club it 'belongs' to the fans too.

If the Russo's are going to take over then we need to know. If Tory is going to stay or go we need to know. If new investment is still being sought we need to know.

Should the club still be for sale I guess we’re all ideally hoping for an oligarch or rich Arab/Asian/American type person who is financially stable (i.e. credit crunch proof) and willing to pump a fortune into a club that is on its downers and has the patience to see it through the hard time and build it up into a club ready to get into and stay in the premiership.

Unfortunately the type of person above is more interested in instant success and is more likely, and willing to pay for, a club that is already moderately successful and already in the premiership i.e. the recent take over of Man City. If even a club like Everton, who are doing rather well for themselves considering, are struggling to find a buyer then what chance Watford?

So the next best thing? I guess anybody with a small fortune who is willing to pay for the club and clear its debts and invest a moderate sum of money into it with no wish of a return but with the hope that we do well in the championship (i.e. top half finish) with the occasional play off success and occasional foray into the premiership (bringing with it the slim chance of survival for more than one season). Not going to be many people willing to invest like that without being fans of the club already, apart from Elton any other rich WFC fans out there?

Unfortunately I think timing has conspired against the club and I think the amount of people out there that may have been interested in taking the club on is shrinking massively day by day. So the best we can hope for? It may be the Russo’s taking as much control as possible, the Tory actually getting interested in his investment and together putting the club on a secure financial setting.

On the subject of the Tory I just don’t get his seeming lack of any interest in the club. I’m sure, relatively speaking, his share of the club didn’t cost that much and I’m sure he’s done well out financially of the clubs recent success but even so surely he won’t be wanting his investment to depreciate in value as it surely would do if relegation/bankruptc
y were to happen. I’d love for him to actually make a comment about the situation and where he stands



On the subject of ownership whoever is in charge does need to clarify where the club is at right now. Okay, they may not be obliged to but at the end of the day the club needs to remember that regardless of who physically owns the club it 'belongs' to the fans too. If the Russo's are going to take over then we need to know. If Tory is going to stay or go we need to know. If new investment is still being sought we need to know. Should the club still be for sale I guess we’re all ideally hoping for an oligarch or rich Arab/Asian/American type person who is financially stable (i.e. credit crunch proof) and willing to pump a fortune into a club that is on its downers and has the patience to see it through the hard time and build it up into a club ready to get into and stay in the premiership. Unfortunately the type of person above is more interested in instant success and is more likely, and willing to pay for, a club that is already moderately successful and already in the premiership i.e. the recent take over of Man City. If even a club like Everton, who are doing rather well for themselves considering, are struggling to find a buyer then what chance Watford? So the next best thing? I guess anybody with a small fortune who is willing to pay for the club and clear its debts and invest a moderate sum of money into it with no wish of a return but with the hope that we do well in the championship (i.e. top half finish) with the occasional play off success and occasional foray into the premiership (bringing with it the slim chance of survival for more than one season). Not going to be many people willing to invest like that without being fans of the club already, apart from Elton any other rich WFC fans out there? Unfortunately I think timing has conspired against the club and I think the amount of people out there that may have been interested in taking the club on is shrinking massively day by day. So the best we can hope for? It may be the Russo’s taking as much control as possible, the Tory actually getting interested in his investment and together putting the club on a secure financial setting. On the subject of the Tory I just don’t get his seeming lack of any interest in the club. I’m sure, relatively speaking, his share of the club didn’t cost that much and I’m sure he’s done well out financially of the clubs recent success but even so surely he won’t be wanting his investment to depreciate in value as it surely would do if relegation/bankruptc y were to happen. I’d love for him to actually make a comment about the situation and where he stands Paradise Watford
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1:33pm Wed 3 Dec 08

VoR says...

Roger....You have ab11yrold
Vor......to have Tosspot Smith

We can take them (blind folded)
Roger....You have ab11yrold Vor......to have Tosspot Smith We can take them (blind folded) VoR
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2:08pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Paradise Watford says...

Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight

The Vicarage won't have seen anything like this since the golden days of Craig Ramages fight against making an effort, Jamie Moralee's fight against a lack of talent, Derek Paynes fight against heightism, Gary Porters fight against Bolton and Petchey's fight against opening his bloated wallet. BRING IT ON, BRING BACK THE CHEERLEADERS (the blokes in the Vicarage Road end that is), BRING BACK PERMS, BRING BACK HARRIET HORNET, BRING BACK THE ANGLO ITALIAN CUP!!!!!

Sorry, properly bored at work today.....

Seriously though, despite all the recent issues isn't it interesting that - unlike in Petchey's day - the fans aren't irate enougth to want to storm the pitch and demonstrate their anger that way.

Not that I'm condoning that action (wasn't it a game against Grimsby on a cold Tuesday night?)but is it a sign that in reality the fans know that we've had it good the past few years and as bad as things are now they're not as bad as they used to be? Or is it just a lack of passion?
Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight The Vicarage won't have seen anything like this since the golden days of Craig Ramages fight against making an effort, Jamie Moralee's fight against a lack of talent, Derek Paynes fight against heightism, Gary Porters fight against Bolton and Petchey's fight against opening his bloated wallet. BRING IT ON, BRING BACK THE CHEERLEADERS (the blokes in the Vicarage Road end that is), BRING BACK PERMS, BRING BACK HARRIET HORNET, BRING BACK THE ANGLO ITALIAN CUP!!!!! Sorry, properly bored at work today..... Seriously though, despite all the recent issues isn't it interesting that - unlike in Petchey's day - the fans aren't irate enougth to want to storm the pitch and demonstrate their anger that way. Not that I'm condoning that action (wasn't it a game against Grimsby on a cold Tuesday night?)but is it a sign that in reality the fans know that we've had it good the past few years and as bad as things are now they're not as bad as they used to be? Or is it just a lack of passion? Paradise Watford
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2:11pm Wed 3 Dec 08

ralphinator says...

ab11uk wrote:
Oh Roger68 I feel sorry for brendan. People on the board think the abuse is aimed at him when its actually aimed at you. You cna quote plans a-z till your blue in the face of being a success under simpson. the simple fact is he has gone. you ask the russos for a statement of intent and yet you were so happy under the constant spin/empty quotes simpson provided. Strange how you were so happy for simpson to tell us nothing but now he has gone u seem different
Par for the course response from an absolute cretin
[quote][p][bold]ab11uk[/bold] wrote: Oh Roger68 I feel sorry for brendan. People on the board think the abuse is aimed at him when its actually aimed at you. You cna quote plans a-z till your blue in the face of being a success under simpson. the simple fact is he has gone. you ask the russos for a statement of intent and yet you were so happy under the constant spin/empty quotes simpson provided. Strange how you were so happy for simpson to tell us nothing but now he has gone u seem different[/p][/quote]Par for the course response from an absolute cretin ralphinator
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2:32pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Roger68 says...

You might say that ralph--I could not possibly comment.

Paradise--to relieve the boredom a bit--as you say the chance of the club being taken over by a mega-rich or even a mini-rich benefactor is zero, which leaves the Russo's as the only players in the game (and Lord Ashcroft who has also so far remained silent). I cannot believe that the Russo's have forced the issue of a change of Chairmanship without having a plan of action beyond just "Simpson out" . It would be playing fast and loose with the club if that was the limit of their intentions. They have had time to prepare a plan, so what is it?
You might say that ralph--I could not possibly comment. Paradise--to relieve the boredom a bit--as you say the chance of the club being taken over by a mega-rich or even a mini-rich benefactor is zero, which leaves the Russo's as the only players in the game (and Lord Ashcroft who has also so far remained silent). I cannot believe that the Russo's have forced the issue of a change of Chairmanship without having a plan of action beyond just "Simpson out" . It would be playing fast and loose with the club if that was the limit of their intentions. They have had time to prepare a plan, so what is it? Roger68
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2:36pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Billie says...

All questions need to be directed at Andy Wilson, who is now duty bound to put together a credible Board, as presumably he represents the largest shareholder, Ashcroft.
The Russo's are technically not even Directors, though it is reasonable to assume they will return to the Board, if only to try to protect their investment whilst a buyer is found. Ashton is still a Director, and CEO, so it is reasonable to assume he has a duty to communicate with shareholders and fans (customers) if only to justify his salary (or try to). I avoid the club site...the spin makes me dizzy...anything on it yet?
By the way Ralphinator, I don't fawn after KA, but I do like the truth, and I do think it is a journos duty to seek it. He had the courage to try to do his job...if you think that is fawning just carry on reading the Sun mate. He emerges with credit, unlike the Board and WST.
Roger, I don't normally agree with you, but your last posting is fair enough.
All questions need to be directed at Andy Wilson, who is now duty bound to put together a credible Board, as presumably he represents the largest shareholder, Ashcroft. The Russo's are technically not even Directors, though it is reasonable to assume they will return to the Board, if only to try to protect their investment whilst a buyer is found. Ashton is still a Director, and CEO, so it is reasonable to assume he has a duty to communicate with shareholders and fans (customers) if only to justify his salary (or try to). I avoid the club site...the spin makes me dizzy...anything on it yet? By the way Ralphinator, I don't fawn after KA, but I do like the truth, and I do think it is a journos duty to seek it. He had the courage to try to do his job...if you think that is fawning just carry on reading the Sun mate. He emerges with credit, unlike the Board and WST. Roger, I don't normally agree with you, but your last posting is fair enough. Billie
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4:53pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Hornet Cornet says...

ozzi wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes! Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all. Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m. HC
yeh why downt u go and rob a bank then u idiut. if arl u want is 50£ mil. loowser.
When did I mention £50m? I am guessing that Ozzi is thye type of 'supporter' who was quite happy to start fights in the Rookery towards the end of last season. This is the last time I refer to Ozzi as he ain't worth the hassle.

Anyway, back to WFC. Hopefully we'll win tonight and progress. Whatever happens, we've got the added bonus of tv money coming in as well.

My hope for January is that we sell a few players who I don't particularly rate, McEnuff being one of them, and get some decent players in who will keep us in the Championship. I admire Buck Rodgers' aspirations for promotion this season, and I'm not saying it won't happen, but the first matter is to sort out the playing staff and to get players in that he believes will do well for us. Once he gets them in, only then can he think about promotion as the players we've presently got are not good enough to get us up to that position.

I wish Buck all the best as I don't want to see him nor Watford fail.
[quote][p][bold]ozzi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I ain't knocking Bucky Rodgers, just merely questioning whether he is the man for the job. I hope he is, for our sakes! Anyway, back to GS leaving. I'm glad he's gone... not because he's accountable, but more because he's made so many bad bad decisions and lied to us all. Get someone in who is going to tell us how things actually are, tell us when things are going wrong, and tell us what the clubs realistic plans are for the future. That's all I want out of the next chairman. And £5m. HC[/p][/quote]yeh why downt u go and rob a bank then u idiut. if arl u want is 50£ mil. loowser. [/p][/quote]When did I mention £50m? I am guessing that Ozzi is thye type of 'supporter' who was quite happy to start fights in the Rookery towards the end of last season. This is the last time I refer to Ozzi as he ain't worth the hassle. Anyway, back to WFC. Hopefully we'll win tonight and progress. Whatever happens, we've got the added bonus of tv money coming in as well. My hope for January is that we sell a few players who I don't particularly rate, McEnuff being one of them, and get some decent players in who will keep us in the Championship. I admire Buck Rodgers' aspirations for promotion this season, and I'm not saying it won't happen, but the first matter is to sort out the playing staff and to get players in that he believes will do well for us. Once he gets them in, only then can he think about promotion as the players we've presently got are not good enough to get us up to that position. I wish Buck all the best as I don't want to see him nor Watford fail. Hornet Cornet
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12:43pm Thu 4 Dec 08

ralphinator says...

Billie wrote:
All questions need to be directed at Andy Wilson, who is now duty bound to put together a credible Board, as presumably he represents the largest shareholder, Ashcroft. The Russo's are technically not even Directors, though it is reasonable to assume they will return to the Board, if only to try to protect their investment whilst a buyer is found. Ashton is still a Director, and CEO, so it is reasonable to assume he has a duty to communicate with shareholders and fans (customers) if only to justify his salary (or try to). I avoid the club site...the spin makes me dizzy...anything on it yet? By the way Ralphinator, I don't fawn after KA, but I do like the truth, and I do think it is a journos duty to seek it. He had the courage to try to do his job...if you think that is fawning just carry on reading the Sun mate. He emerges with credit, unlike the Board and WST. Roger, I don't normally agree with you, but your last posting is fair enough.
He went well beyond doing his job: blantantly anti match reports week in, week out with no semblance of balance, laughable puff piece for Ellington and worst of all seriously damaging red top style screaming headlines over 'Administration' article. Journalists should not have their own agenda. They should report fairly and without favour in such a position - he didn't. End of.
[quote][p][bold]Billie[/bold] wrote: All questions need to be directed at Andy Wilson, who is now duty bound to put together a credible Board, as presumably he represents the largest shareholder, Ashcroft. The Russo's are technically not even Directors, though it is reasonable to assume they will return to the Board, if only to try to protect their investment whilst a buyer is found. Ashton is still a Director, and CEO, so it is reasonable to assume he has a duty to communicate with shareholders and fans (customers) if only to justify his salary (or try to). I avoid the club site...the spin makes me dizzy...anything on it yet? By the way Ralphinator, I don't fawn after KA, but I do like the truth, and I do think it is a journos duty to seek it. He had the courage to try to do his job...if you think that is fawning just carry on reading the Sun mate. He emerges with credit, unlike the Board and WST. Roger, I don't normally agree with you, but your last posting is fair enough.[/p][/quote]He went well beyond doing his job: blantantly anti match reports week in, week out with no semblance of balance, laughable puff piece for Ellington and worst of all seriously damaging red top style screaming headlines over 'Administration' article. Journalists should not have their own agenda. They should report fairly and without favour in such a position - he didn't. End of. ralphinator
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1:59pm Thu 4 Dec 08

Hans says...

I have sat back the last week listening to everyone's points and there seems to be no doubt that there is much anger about how our beloved club has been run. I don't doubt Simpson is a Watford fan and what he did in the early days as chairman must be praised. But like anyone who has success, Simpson began to believe his own press and acted in a way in which he surely regrets. He risked the long-term stability of Watford by reckless spending. Rather than using the Prem money and income from player sales to secure the long-term future of Watford, he allowed it to be squandered on paying average players huge salaries. Why can't he hold up his hands and say sorry? He does not even have the decency to acknowledge he messed up big time, saying only that he's sorry if he DID make mistakes. Come on Graham, you messed up. You know it. We all know it. We'd have a lot more respect for you if you just admitted it. The fans have been treated disgracefully. Elton can see the mismanagement a mile off and so can the rest of us true Watford fans. It will take a long time to repair the damage. Rodgers won't stick around if all he has are young players coming through the ranks -- isn't that what he had at Chelsea? Like Tony Blair, Simpson's legacy will be one of mass destruction (excuse the pun) rather than the good initial work.
Never again should Watford be allowed to mess up so badly. Should we ever make it back into the big time, the Watford Supporters Trust, on behalf of all fans, should ENSURE that the money is used responsibly. I heard Boothers on Talk Sport the other night. His smug arrogance shone through. Aidy, I think you had what we call beginner's luck mate. I don't think clubs will come running after you. Firstly your style of play is crap and you're completely full of bull. Doubt you'll apologise to us fans either. Finally, Ashton do the honourable thing and clear off. Never again must our club be allowed to be abused in the way it has been the last couple of years. We are a solid Championship club by tradition. So what if our only success is yo-yoing between two top divisions and enjoying good runs in the cups. It's better than being a Leeds or Bradford. Let's not pretend to be something we aren't, which was ultimately Simpson's downfall. Come on you Golden Boys!!!!!!!!!
I have sat back the last week listening to everyone's points and there seems to be no doubt that there is much anger about how our beloved club has been run. I don't doubt Simpson is a Watford fan and what he did in the early days as chairman must be praised. But like anyone who has success, Simpson began to believe his own press and acted in a way in which he surely regrets. He risked the long-term stability of Watford by reckless spending. Rather than using the Prem money and income from player sales to secure the long-term future of Watford, he allowed it to be squandered on paying average players huge salaries. Why can't he hold up his hands and say sorry? He does not even have the decency to acknowledge he messed up big time, saying only that he's sorry if he DID make mistakes. Come on Graham, you messed up. You know it. We all know it. We'd have a lot more respect for you if you just admitted it. The fans have been treated disgracefully. Elton can see the mismanagement a mile off and so can the rest of us true Watford fans. It will take a long time to repair the damage. Rodgers won't stick around if all he has are young players coming through the ranks -- isn't that what he had at Chelsea? Like Tony Blair, Simpson's legacy will be one of mass destruction (excuse the pun) rather than the good initial work. Never again should Watford be allowed to mess up so badly. Should we ever make it back into the big time, the Watford Supporters Trust, on behalf of all fans, should ENSURE that the money is used responsibly. I heard Boothers on Talk Sport the other night. His smug arrogance shone through. Aidy, I think you had what we call beginner's luck mate. I don't think clubs will come running after you. Firstly your style of play is crap and you're completely full of bull. Doubt you'll apologise to us fans either. Finally, Ashton do the honourable thing and clear off. Never again must our club be allowed to be abused in the way it has been the last couple of years. We are a solid Championship club by tradition. So what if our only success is yo-yoing between two top divisions and enjoying good runs in the cups. It's better than being a Leeds or Bradford. Let's not pretend to be something we aren't, which was ultimately Simpson's downfall. Come on you Golden Boys!!!!!!!!! Hans
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5:31pm Thu 4 Dec 08

Billie says...

Great posting Hans.
Ralphinator, the sources for the administration article were high level from within the club. If you are telling me that a local paper should not publish such matters of legitimate concern, then there is no point in having newspapers...just concentrate on comics. That is why the legal action never happened. Just like the robust opposition to the motion of no confidence. Sometimes the truth hurts. Self denial and self delusion never get you anywhere. We must beg to differ. I think the playing style and the management of the club in recent times has been awful, and that KA reported on what he saw and what reliable sources told him. You don't like it. I did. You like spin. I don't. It's opinion, the way of the world mate. That's unless you are a WFC Director recently, where you try to ruthlessly silence opposing views...bit like in totalitarian states. I take it you also approve of Robert Mugabe.
Great posting Hans. Ralphinator, the sources for the administration article were high level from within the club. If you are telling me that a local paper should not publish such matters of legitimate concern, then there is no point in having newspapers...just concentrate on comics. That is why the legal action never happened. Just like the robust opposition to the motion of no confidence. Sometimes the truth hurts. Self denial and self delusion never get you anywhere. We must beg to differ. I think the playing style and the management of the club in recent times has been awful, and that KA reported on what he saw and what reliable sources told him. You don't like it. I did. You like spin. I don't. It's opinion, the way of the world mate. That's unless you are a WFC Director recently, where you try to ruthlessly silence opposing views...bit like in totalitarian states. I take it you also approve of Robert Mugabe. Billie
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10:38pm Thu 4 Dec 08

WFC4ever says...

Well we weren't in administration by September as claimed...not saying that we won'r be and I did think the club were harsh to issue such a threat actually.

I was disappointing Mr Afflect wasn't proved right that McAnuff would be sold because that in my view would have been a blessing in disguise!
Well we weren't in administration by September as claimed...not saying that we won'r be and I did think the club were harsh to issue such a threat actually. I was disappointing Mr Afflect wasn't proved right that McAnuff would be sold because that in my view would have been a blessing in disguise! WFC4ever
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10:11am Fri 5 Dec 08

ralphinator says...

Billie wrote:
Great posting Hans. Ralphinator, the sources for the administration article were high level from within the club. If you are telling me that a local paper should not publish such matters of legitimate concern, then there is no point in having newspapers...just concentrate on comics. That is why the legal action never happened. Just like the robust opposition to the motion of no confidence. Sometimes the truth hurts. Self denial and self delusion never get you anywhere. We must beg to differ. I think the playing style and the management of the club in recent times has been awful, and that KA reported on what he saw and what reliable sources told him. You don't like it. I did. You like spin. I don't. It's opinion, the way of the world mate. That's unless you are a WFC Director recently, where you try to ruthlessly silence opposing views...bit like in totalitarian states. I take it you also approve of Robert Mugabe.
That's really clever - 'agree to differ, all matters of opinion' blah blah, then resort to the last sentence. Pathetic
[quote][p][bold]Billie[/bold] wrote: Great posting Hans. Ralphinator, the sources for the administration article were high level from within the club. If you are telling me that a local paper should not publish such matters of legitimate concern, then there is no point in having newspapers...just concentrate on comics. That is why the legal action never happened. Just like the robust opposition to the motion of no confidence. Sometimes the truth hurts. Self denial and self delusion never get you anywhere. We must beg to differ. I think the playing style and the management of the club in recent times has been awful, and that KA reported on what he saw and what reliable sources told him. You don't like it. I did. You like spin. I don't. It's opinion, the way of the world mate. That's unless you are a WFC Director recently, where you try to ruthlessly silence opposing views...bit like in totalitarian states. I take it you also approve of Robert Mugabe.[/p][/quote]That's really clever - 'agree to differ, all matters of opinion' blah blah, then resort to the last sentence. Pathetic ralphinator
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10:29am Fri 5 Dec 08

Roger68 says...

Billie--you agreed with part of my earlier post but here is reason for us to disagree again. The KA article in August was NOT a good piece of investigative journalism. Kevin did not have to sleuth out this story. It was fed to him by a third party , for their own purposes , and he published it without checking it with the club. It was wrong in its essentials,but its accuracy is less important that its purposes. It was not meant to inform the public as to the "true state" of the finances at Watford, but was meant to embarras Simpson and to inflame the fans in order to put pressure on Simpson. It worked on both accounts. In retrospect we can see this article as the first shot in the struggle for influence and power at Watford that is only now being resolved. Who fired that shot? The WST knows but will not tell, and the WO will never tell. We can speculate as to who and why, though the list of suspects is not very long. But in all this KA was not a hero-- he was being used, just as we fans were being manipulated by this exaggerated if not false story.The source of the story does not come out of this with much credit either.
Billie--you agreed with part of my earlier post but here is reason for us to disagree again. The KA article in August was NOT a good piece of investigative journalism. Kevin did not have to sleuth out this story. It was fed to him by a third party , for their own purposes , and he published it without checking it with the club. It was wrong in its essentials,but its accuracy is less important that its purposes. It was not meant to inform the public as to the "true state" of the finances at Watford, but was meant to embarras Simpson and to inflame the fans in order to put pressure on Simpson. It worked on both accounts. In retrospect we can see this article as the first shot in the struggle for influence and power at Watford that is only now being resolved. Who fired that shot? The WST knows but will not tell, and the WO will never tell. We can speculate as to who and why, though the list of suspects is not very long. But in all this KA was not a hero-- he was being used, just as we fans were being manipulated by this exaggerated if not false story.The source of the story does not come out of this with much credit either. Roger68
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11:17am Fri 5 Dec 08

ralphinator says...

Roger68 wrote:
Billie--you agreed with part of my earlier post but here is reason for us to disagree again. The KA article in August was NOT a good piece of investigative journalism. Kevin did not have to sleuth out this story. It was fed to him by a third party , for their own purposes , and he published it without checking it with the club. It was wrong in its essentials,but its accuracy is less important that its purposes. It was not meant to inform the public as to the Absolutely spot on in every respect.

Wise up Billie and camp followers, this is not acceptance of spin it is serious, professional analysis ,and a league above your friend Affleck.
Now, if Roger could write for the WO, the world would be a better place....
[quote][p][bold]Roger68[/bold] wrote: Billie--you agreed with part of my earlier post but here is reason for us to disagree again. The KA article in August was NOT a good piece of investigative journalism. Kevin did not have to sleuth out this story. It was fed to him by a third party , for their own purposes , and he published it without checking it with the club. It was wrong in its essentials,but its accuracy is less important that its purposes. It was not meant to inform the public as to the Absolutely spot on in every respect. Wise up Billie and camp followers, this is not acceptance of spin it is serious, professional analysis ,and a league above your friend Affleck. Now, if Roger could write for the WO, the world would be a better place.... ralphinator
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12:19pm Fri 5 Dec 08

ralphinator says...

Roger68 wrote:
Billie--you agreed with part of my earlier post but here is reason for us to disagree again. The KA article in August was NOT a good piece of investigative journalism. Kevin did not have to sleuth out this story. It was fed to him by a third party , for their own purposes , and he published it without checking it with the club. It was wrong in its essentials,but its accuracy is less important that its purposes. It was not meant to inform the public as to the "true state" of the finances at Watford, but was meant to embarras Simpson and to inflame the fans in order to put pressure on Simpson. It worked on both accounts. In retrospect we can see this article as the first shot in the struggle for influence and power at Watford that is only now being resolved. Who fired that shot? The WST knows but will not tell, and the WO will never tell. We can speculate as to who and why, though the list of suspects is not very long. But in all this KA was not a hero-- he was being used, just as we fans were being manipulated by this exaggerated if not false story.The source of the story does not come out of this with much credit either.
Absolutely spot on in every respect.

Wise up Billie and camp followers, this is not acceptance of spin it is serious, professional analysis ,and a league above your friend Affleck.
Now, if Roger could write for the WO, the world would be a better place....
[quote][p][bold]Roger68[/bold] wrote: Billie--you agreed with part of my earlier post but here is reason for us to disagree again. The KA article in August was NOT a good piece of investigative journalism. Kevin did not have to sleuth out this story. It was fed to him by a third party , for their own purposes , and he published it without checking it with the club. It was wrong in its essentials,but its accuracy is less important that its purposes. It was not meant to inform the public as to the "true state" of the finances at Watford, but was meant to embarras Simpson and to inflame the fans in order to put pressure on Simpson. It worked on both accounts. In retrospect we can see this article as the first shot in the struggle for influence and power at Watford that is only now being resolved. Who fired that shot? The WST knows but will not tell, and the WO will never tell. We can speculate as to who and why, though the list of suspects is not very long. But in all this KA was not a hero-- he was being used, just as we fans were being manipulated by this exaggerated if not false story.The source of the story does not come out of this with much credit either.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on in every respect. Wise up Billie and camp followers, this is not acceptance of spin it is serious, professional analysis ,and a league above your friend Affleck. Now, if Roger could write for the WO, the world would be a better place.... ralphinator
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