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Aidy Boothroyd would welcome two-time manager's return
12:32pm Saturday 10th January 2009
Aidy Boothroyd believes it would be a “terrific appointment” if Graham Taylor takes up a place on the new Watford board.
Brendan Rodgers’ predecessor, who was a studio guest for Sky Sports’ live coverage of Watford’s 4-0 defeat at Reading last night, was asked about the possibility of Taylor returning to Vicarage Road prior to the game.
After pointing out Taylor is a “football man” who “loves Watford”, Boothroyd said: “He was kind enough to stay in the background while I was manager, but now the club needs him. I think it would be a terrific appointment.”
Earlier yesterday, the Watford Observer reported that Taylor could be on the brink of an emotional return to the Hornets following discussions in recent weeks with a view to him becoming a director.
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WFC4ever, Watford says...
1:32pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Mind you I am worried we have a different style but still appear as clueless.
Infact I thought this undeer Aidy we were more of a threat than we have been under Rodgers in a lot of games.
cliff46, watford says...
2:28pm Sat 10 Jan 09
BR seems the type to listen and learn and I am confident that he will sort the defensive issues.
I couldn't belive AB's nerve to appear on Tv and earn even more money out of watford. I do accept however that he was respectful and lacked his usual bounce.
straight red, watford says...
2:33pm Sat 10 Jan 09
I believe he has no dignity, modesty or genuine talent - sadly like many people associated with the industry today.
Based on his appearance last night, he came over ridiculously self important, kept a pathetic mona-lisa type expression throughout and was the last person Sky should have invited to discuss football tactics and success based on his abysmal record.
Yes he got us promoted in his first full season but in my view he got LUCKY big time - we met palace and leeds in the play off final, teams that were seriosly imploding at the time. The rest of his legacy is associated with arguably the worst football witnessed at the vic coupled with woeful signings that have crippled the club financially. In this area, to be fair we must also not look to the incompetent board at the time.
However, what is evidently clear to me and a growing majority is that Boothroyd is now worthy to join that elite club of young and upcoming british managers (like martin allen and ian holloway) who believe in theor own trumped up publicity. They spouted utter drivel, telling us they were 'original thinkers', were going to get to the very top and oh yes become the next england manager!!
Aidy you are coming over as desperate, radio and tv exposure in the hop that some mug will fall for your crap speak. However, no success at hartlepool, leeds, forest and derby to date - but never mind cos you had 18 clubs chasing you recently so I'm sure you will soon be back in a top job soon...
WFC4ever, Watford says...
2:45pm Sat 10 Jan 09
At the moment we need some luck because there is no way we're going to get out of this mess playing the current way.
Sadly there is not a great deal that can be done because of previous poor useage of money so we can only bring in good but young inexperience loan players.
I think the trouble is we as Watford like to see quick,get it out wide attackin player (as under GT) rather than either seeing the ball be thumped 50 yards down the pitch so everyone runs and try to control it (only King was the one who could do that for us) after it or as we see now a lot of nice pretty football in midfield but no end product.
Something in the middle would be good...remember its goals we need.
You don't get points for style...
pfwhornets, Tring says...
6:26pm Sat 10 Jan 09
I think Rodgers would welcome any input from GT. Will be interesting though considering the antipodes of their styles. Somewhere in the middle would be good.
Watford 2 Sheff Utd 1
Johnjones1959, Aylesbury says...
8:36pm Sat 10 Jan 09
bigmickey, hemel hempstead says...
10:14pm Sat 10 Jan 09
This is further supported by the transfer values of King, Bouazza, Young and Foster which all relate to their performance in that season.
Thereafter Aidy struggled badly. But still he must be one of the most successful managers outside of taylors reign.
bonserout, kings langley says...
11:07pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Goalkeeper-Hestitant
Demerit- lost all form of last year
Harley- playing well but much more productive further forward,
Williamson -Much improved
Tommy- best winger in division (but isn't playing there.
Marriappa -out of his depth against good opposition.
Priskin and Mcanuff no commitment and generaly Crap.
New loan signing look good but playing alonside a the worst central defence for 30 years.
WFC4ever, Watford says...
12:12am Sun 11 Jan 09
Ofcurse Mr Boothroyd and co wasted a lot of money which was totally wrong and needed controlling in a more effective manner.
I don't think we can just blame him and the previous board though..
Current management and players have to accept some responability as they will get the praise if this style does become effective and we do stay up.
Mick Jones, Uxbridge says...
1:06am Sun 11 Jan 09
bigmickey wrote:He was not lucky over 49 games, he finished third after 46 games, failing to get automatic promotion despite telling us he would..he got lucky over three games and got found out over the next 84..
how can anyone say boothroyd was lucky with promotion. You cannot be lucky over 49 games. FACT. The basic rule of sampling is the more samples you take, the more your result will tend to the true mean. i.e. you can get a distorted or exaggerated result from a sample of 1 match but not a season. This is further supported by the transfer values of King, Bouazza, Young and Foster which all relate to their performance in that season. Thereafter Aidy struggled badly. But still he must be one of the most successful managers outside of taylors reign.
Chris the Vic, The Vic says...
10:14am Sun 11 Jan 09
With regard to the success of Boothroyd well big mickey open up your mind to how the success was achieved.
Ray Lewington was doing an OK job with very limited resources but it needed more resources than we had to get us promotion.Albeit Ashley was developing niceley. Graham Simpson thought about the problem and realised to go anywhere we needed to poach resources and he selected the cash strapped Leeds Utd to be the team to poach from. He hired Boofers who had seen King, thanks to Kevin Blackwell identifying Marlon as a player with huge potential. He bought in cheap Carisle and Matty Spring from Leeds..players who Kevin Blackwell felt were good squad players. Boofers recruited Malky two promotions from the championship in last two years but rejected as being two old for premiership (? had KB identified him as well). Boofers approached Sir Alec and got Ben (? a KB target)
Did all this happen as I suggest, I don't know but it could just explain that when Aidy was on his own the standard of his signings fell dramatically, last season his strategy was less than useful and I do agree bigmickey Aidy didnt get lucky he made the most of other peoples ability not always the players and after the first season he truly believed the hype.
Aidy fooled himself as well as us, he has little to offer and deludes himself that one day he may manage England. In truth he has little to offer and along with Ashton almost succeeded in writing off our club.
WFC4ever, Watford says...
10:44am Sun 11 Jan 09
Mick Jones wrote:Please don't say he was a failure in that season though!
bigmickey wrote: how can anyone say boothroyd was lucky with promotion. You cannot be lucky over 49 games. FACT. The basic rule of sampling is the more samples you take, the more your result will tend to the true mean. i.e. you can get a distorted or exaggerated result from a sample of 1 match but not a season. This is further supported by the transfer values of King, Bouazza, Young and Foster which all relate to their performance in that season. Thereafter Aidy struggled badly. But still he must be one of the most successful managers outside of taylors reign.He was not lucky over 49 games, he finished third after 46 games, failing to get automatic promotion despite telling us he would..he got lucky over three games and got found out over the next 84..
We did well to get promoted and most people I know were totally delighted/surprised by what we did although I guess we didn't know how good Young/King would be.
Also not very surprised that we went down from the Premiership but I would admit very disappionted with last season...the style of football we emplyed more than the actual league position.
Ofcourse he messed up in the transfer market...along with the board who should have said "Sorry Aidy but no that deal isn't right"
Still I enjoyed more games this season under Boothroyd when we went a little less direct than I have under this Chelsea clone.
Watford_Writer, Watford says...
11:09am Sun 11 Jan 09
It is no great surprise that Aidy has been linked with various jobs since his departure, but then been overlooked. Expect to see him unemployed for a good few months yet (apart from his dull punditry).
RobboBTC, Farnborough says...
11:18am Sun 11 Jan 09
WFC4ever, Watford says...
11:23am Sun 11 Jan 09
TonyCoton wrote:I heard that from a Reading fan who knew one of our old coaches so there might well be some truth in that because people start slagging you off.
Aidy did not get the big pay off that people think he did. He was misbehaving behind the scenes and had he not gone with mutual consent he would have gone for gross misconduct. You dont have to believe me but I know this to be true. Thats how we could afford to sack him.
Maybe he scared/bullied the board into making them spend money big time?
I heard Simpson speak after he had sacked Aidy that it was a decision he had thought about for a whille even when we started the season quite well.
Personally Aidy should have gone in the summer then we could have takem more time to choose the right sort of manager rather than this Rodgers chap who I am sure means well and its good to see nice football but we clearly lack something going forward and have not improved one bit since the change.
bigmickey, hemel hempstead says...
11:37am Sun 11 Jan 09
enlightened one, Watford says...
11:42am Sun 11 Jan 09
nuff,Bromby,Priskin etc etc etc etc.Having this berk on as a pundit is akin to getting Gordon Brown to lecture us on the importance of fiscal prudence.
Lets hope GT does com back in some capacity.
WFC4ever, Watford says...
12:06pm Sun 11 Jan 09
enlightened one wrote:I guess that is part of the trouble...we look so clueless in attack because of the players Aidy signed in that area looking so hopeless!
Sod off Hoofers,I care not one jot what you think....about anything.The reason we're in the situation we are is down to the threadbare squad BR has inherited,full of the awful signings you made,Eusless,Notgude nuff,Bromby,Priskin etc etc etc etc.Having this berk on as a pundit is akin to getting Gordon Brown to lecture us on the importance of fiscal prudence. Lets hope GT does com back in some capacity.
Even the best signing Aidy made in Smithy has seen his form dip.
However its up to the current manager to come up with a plan that fits the players he picks well and he is still picking Priskin/McAnuff ofcourse.
We've made 2 good loan signings but still that won't be enough for now.
mitch kings langley, kings langley says...
12:12pm Sun 11 Jan 09
WMH, London says...
4:25pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Chris the Vic wrote:I'm sorry this Ray Lewington myth keeps on popping up like he was some great sage......I think the anti Aidy ranters have to keep putting this one in to hype their point as much as possible. They'd do better sticking to the facts on many points of which they are correct although not all; sorry it's just plain laughable to twist every good decision as being down to someone else and every bad one down to Aidy.
Aidy's is very arrogant it is one of his major weaknesses...the club needs GT now but even more so when Aidy was in charge...although as Aidy would not have listened the presence of GT would have been wasted at that time. With regard to the success of Boothroyd well big mickey open up your mind to how the success was achieved. Ray Lewington was doing an OK job with very limited resources but it needed more resources than we had to get us promotion.Albeit Ashley was developing niceley. Graham Simpson thought about the problem and realised to go anywhere we needed to poach resources and he selected the cash strapped Leeds Utd to be the team to poach from. He hired Boofers who had seen King, thanks to Kevin Blackwell identifying Marlon as a player with huge potential. He bought in cheap Carisle and Matty Spring from Leeds..players who Kevin Blackwell felt were good squad players. Boofers recruited Malky two promotions from the championship in last two years but rejected as being two old for premiership (? had KB identified him as well). Boofers approached Sir Alec and got Ben (? a KB target) Did all this happen as I suggest, I don't know but it could just explain that when Aidy was on his own the standard of his signings fell dramatically, last season his strategy was less than useful and I do agree bigmickey Aidy didnt get lucky he made the most of other peoples ability not always the players and after the first season he truly believed the hype. Aidy fooled himself as well as us, he has little to offer and deludes himself that one day he may manage England. In truth he has little to offer and along with Ashton almost succeeded in writing off our club.
Ray was a nice bloke, probably a decent coach but no way as a manager.....for God sake he was the one that consistently would not play Young and indeed any young player in favour of Ardley or any of his old mates that patently weren't cutting it. Young, Mc'Namee and Eagles have all been critical of his treatment of them and anybody who kids themselves he would have kept us up must have blacked out his last set of performances or his 'I've given up' performance on three counties after Preston at home.
straight red, watford says...
6:18pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Not wishing to be rood old chap, but are you an aspiring maths tutor or similar number cruncher that may have got a bit too carried away with your technical thinking?
It's fair to say that AB got more than his fair share of lady luck in his first proper season, but as is FACT all good managers go on to sustain their achievements over a slightly longer period than just one year.
Wouldn't want to simplify this by suggesting all of WFC's ill's lay at the door of AB, he was ably assisted by those other incompetents Ashton and Simpson who you may recall chose at one point of their delusional reign to appear on the front cover of a match programme to tell us of their infamous plans for vision 2010' or did they really mean 'financial ruin and relegation made simple'?
bigmickey, hemel hempstead says...
8:14pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Lutherr, says...
8:16pm Sun 11 Jan 09
WFC4ever, Watford says...
8:29pm Sun 11 Jan 09
www.wfc.net/files/ol
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I don't think comminucation and common-sense thinking were things used very much during the Aidy/Ashton and Simpson era so it seems.
People have said for a whille Aidy was very much his own man and really didn't care what others thought.
Chris the Vic, The Vic says...
9:06pm Sun 11 Jan 09
What I fail to understand is how Aidy was so good in the first full season, struggled in the premier understandably but signed so much rubbish and failed totally in his last full season. At no stage was he kept short of money for wages/transfers etc in comparison to GT eiither in the premier or the old Div 1.
Hindsight, tells me he wasnt as good as we thought and did what Peter Kenyon did when he went to chelsea and gave them all Man U targets.
Otherwise please explain why so much was spent after the first year on so many players who fell short.
Chris the Vic, The Vic says...
9:10pm Sun 11 Jan 09
But Aidy did say WFC weren't the vehicle for him and his ambitions.
derry pigweed, northampton says...
12:35am Mon 12 Jan 09
WFC4ever, Watford says...
6:22am Mon 12 Jan 09
derry pigweed wrote:Trouble is this current manager's one trick football will take us down too...
No one will touch Boothroyd when they look at the aftermath of his Watford tenure.He has wasted more money than Vialli and ruined the club with his one trick football although Homer and Cashton helped too. On sky as a pundit what an arrogant little twit spelt with an A he is!
We need somewhere in the middle and something that suits our players.
derry pigweed, northampton says...
11:14am Mon 12 Jan 09
WFC4ever wrote:Good point, worrying times ahead i fear
derry pigweed wrote: No one will touch Boothroyd when they look at the aftermath of his Watford tenure.He has wasted more money than Vialli and ruined the club with his one trick football although Homer and Cashton helped too. On sky as a pundit what an arrogant little twit spelt with an A he is!Trouble is this current manager's one trick football will take us down too... We need somewhere in the middle and something that suits our players.
Roger68, St Albans says...
11:43am Mon 12 Jan 09
nothing, liskeard says...
3:47pm Mon 12 Jan 09
TonyCoton, Brighton says...
6:01pm Mon 12 Jan 09
nothing wrote:People are entitled to their opinions but clearly 'nothing' doesnt follow closely anything that has happened at Watford FC in the last few years, otherwise I dont think he would be saying AB is a decent chap.
Nothing wrong with Mr. Boothroyd. A decent chap who tried to make a team. I believe no manager will succeed at WFC because of the idiotic and hurtful comments made about them on here. You have already started on Mr. Rogers poor chap. We deserve more then relegation we deserve obscurity. If WFC vanish off the face of the earth then good! Perhaps then I will enjoy my football again watching them play as a Sunday Park team on my own without you idiots to spoil it. F.Off to the lot of ya.!!!
RobBig, Kings Langley says...
10:49am Wed 14 Jan 09
Look, we all know we're in the preverbial "Relegation Dogfight", and we all know we're in for a rough ride financially (let's face it who isn't?).
So to that end, could we please stop being so EFFING NEGATIVE, and try to help rather than hinder the team, from the new board, managers all the way thorugh to the players. They need our SUPPORT and they're not going to get any better without it!!! The same goes for the MINDLESS IDIOTS who open their mouths at home games. PLEASE, unless it's encouragment, keep your opinions and thoughts to yourself and discuss them after the game. I know that it's a game full of passion and WE ALL want to win, but booing players at half time and everytime they touch the ball is LUDICROUS!!!
If you don't like watching the game at the Vic at the moment and you spend half of your time watching it on the TV's in the bar in the Rookery, then why bother coming at all???
Aidy has gone, END OF DISCUSSION!! Some of what Aidy did was nothing short of miraculous, and then again some of what he did turned out to be detrimental and ultimately led to his downfall. But to have a go at the guy for doing a bit of punditry is just petty. It seems that the moaners on here literally just want something to moan about!
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I understand that, but in the current global situation that the media insist on covering and glamorising at every opportunity, could we please start to see some positivity on here??
I'm sick to death of all the "suicidal" chat on here!!!
FFS...Cheer Up You Lot!!!
p.s. Jack Cork is going to be a class player...
straight red, watford says...
2:27pm Wed 14 Jan 09
I don't wish to brand you a 'happy clapper' or suggest you have your head in the sand but the current turmoil at WFC is very much self inflicted if you care to examine the events during the simpson/ashton/booth
royd regime.
Nothing is ever totally good or bad in life but I'm afraid to say the legacy of the incompetents has given our new football manager an enormous challenge.
No point carping on ad verbatim about the past this will not solve our goals going forward but please be realistic and acknowledge the state of the club which is very much linked to the previous mismanagement and 'other dealings' which I'm sure we will be learning more of in the near future.
I'm all for getting behind the team and supporting them in a mature and constructive manner. In this regard, I believe no matter how promising a young arsenal/chelsea loanee might be, at this juncture we urgently require a hard nosed, experienced wise head or two/three that has plenty of championship experience to get us out of the relegation scrap we are most definetely in.
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TonyCoton, Brighton says...
1:14pm Sat 10 Jan 09
The club needed his common sense when Boothroyd was undoing all his early good work. But he wouldnt listen to Burkinshaw and wouldnt have listened to GT.
At least Rodgers is open minded and clever enough to see that having GT around is great for the club and can help him develop too. Boothroyd was far too arrogant to have had GT on the board.
As for him on SKY last night, I couldnt believe it. I cant think of another ex manager who has so quickly taken the pundit role for a game involving his former club.