Watford's winless run stands at 12 games after Derby County defeat (From Watford Observer)

Not winning in 12 away games is no good to anyone in such a tight league.

Know we've got 3 home games coming up..got to find our scoring boots ASAP and tighten up to give ourselves any chance really.

MM doesn't know what to do, it's not his fault as we needed an experienced manager to begin with.
I hope the directors realise their mistake before it's too late but I fear they wont.
We'll be going down ....not with lack of effort but with players that have very little skill, I wish MM could admit his style of play is not what is required.
Aidy.....have a word with him!

Hoskins has to be given a chance. I know Helguson has scored a few for us but I am beginning to see why he did not make it at QPR. Graham is too inexpienced and erratic. Henderson is nowhere near ready. And, wow, do we miss Cleverley! Lansbury is not the same without him and we need someone to centre the ball to the strikers. The midfield is very average, the defence leaky. Oh dear - what am I saying? Relegation is staring us in the face, sadly. Peterborough, Plymouth and either us or Scunthorpe.

VoR - who got us into this mess other than Aidy Boothroyd with his dreadful purchases? Take the blinkers off.

We are now 17th and only two points above the drop zone; we haven't won away in 12 matches and have one of the worst defensive records in the division. We have a recognised International in Demerrit and some exceptional talents in Lansbury and Cleverly....

Does anyone still think Mackay is doing a good job? Relegation would be a disaster and if it were to occur then Mackay must go. The board have gambled with the clubs future by appointing him on a three year deal.

Sod the pretty football, we need to start playing winning football.

Mackay out!!!!

Feff wrote:
VoR - who got us into this mess other than Aidy Boothroyd with his dreadful purchases? Take the blinkers off.

Probably you and the other so called supporters that turned on their own players and then demanded a change of manager.
I said you would reap what you sow and now looks like the Cows are coming home to roost!
You only have yourselves to blame, oh... and the appointment of MM

The most annoying thinng about the poor away run is the easy ammunition it gives to the usual loons,players with no skill ? Asking Hoofers for advice ? i'd rather ask the stadium cat.

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

~Psycho1
especially for you VoR

Listening to the 3CR commentary, it seemed to be the usual story: same number of chances; they took two of theirs; we didn't take any of ours.

Certainly the pressure is on. But I have every confidence that we'll come good. I would, though, like to see more squad rotation: Hoskins' hat-trick for the reserves should have earned him a starting berth. It would be no reflection on Helguson, who played a full match in midweek in Cyprus. And he would be raring to go on Tuesday - unless Hoskins had hit another hat-trick today!

COYH, keep the faith!

Without Cleverly we will always struggle and with him we will still struggle away.

As for Hoskins hitting a hatrick in the championship, Since he arrived I think he may have scored three in the championship in roughly three seasons.

What we must do is ensure we win at least two of the home games. In this division it will push us up to the top half but defeats and we will have a problem. As for VoR's comment on Malky..I can live with his inexperience what I cant ever live with is the silver fox and Aidy who equalled each other in the inept stakes. I just wish that Malky could be given a couple of million

Have just got back from Pride Park and i don't know where to start !
this was an appalling performance away YET AGAIN ,the first half was one of the worst i have witnesssed for some years ,have never seen our full backs ,Doyley And Marriappa look so poor ,the rest were not much better BUT then again they know week in week out they keep there place because our management team keep picking the same players ,make no mistake we are in real trouble now ,the home form is slipping and the away form is frankly disgracful ,struggling hard not to call for change and hoped MM would swallow his pride and get an experienced number two in BUT if he must stick with yes man Dyche and his running backwards and forwards to MM with white bits of paper then sorry MM you will go down with him in my opinion ,the very small band of away fans who joined me at pride park were excellent vocally BUT the dwindling numbers say everything you need to know about faith in this team away from home ,the penny is dropping and the thought of litrally chucking money away to watch this dross is disapperaing ,sorry to be so negative and no doubt the happy clappers will shout me down BUT i was there today ,we were beaten by a very poor side and as my friend the Derby supporter texted me after game said "wish we could play against your full backs every week " this team needs radical changing we need a left footed left back ,not rocket science i know but... we need Mcginn to start ,we need Hoskins to start ,we desperatley need Cleverley back from suspension ,we need to enter the loan market quick or trust me we are in very real danger of being sucked into relegation ,lets see just how many changes MM makes against an excellent swansea team on tuesday ,not holding my breath and will bet the same team will take to the field with maybe just one change ,as i said the players know there places are safe that's why we are getting these performances !

Sounds like from what your saying HH its maybe time to bring Hodson back in..?

Do we simply lose all confidence when going a goal down...

Where is the on and off pitch motivation to help us bounce back?

12 away wins and 2 points its pretty hopeless by anyone and its not as if the run has been against the top 6 or something!

yes bring back hodson,and why not the other subs bennet, jenkins and henderson as well, that`ll scare the sh1te out of swansea!!!!!

Dr.Oftaw wrote:
yes bring back hodson,and why not the other subs bennet, jenkins and henderson as well, that`ll scare the sh1te out of swansea!!!!!

Cheeky git...

;)

Not all of them...

Mind you I am not sure those in the side will worry Swansea too much!

make no mistake we are deep in the brown stuff, have never criticised Mackay before but Hoskins should have started & why was Buckley not even sub, with Palace & Wednesday both winning unless we get at least 2 out of 3 wins from the next 3 home games trips to Brentford & Leyton Orient are looming!!

Fair play to herts hornet and the 700 others who made the trip,clearly very optimistic people with plenty of disposable cash!

MM must be under pressure now, the happy clappers seem reluctant to criticise him but is that because they believe he is doing a good job or because he used to play for us/"came through the ranks" and therefore we must blindly support him? Ok, he has had to manage the club through a difficult few months (off the pitch) and he's not had loads of money to spend BUT people must realise he has many faults and has made many mistakes.

Firstly i agree with alot of others that an experienced number 2 is needed - a year ago SD was with the U18's now he's Asst Manager to the 1st team, and the only other coach is Kerslake (hardly a renowned coach!). The other thing to consider with the mgmt team is that not only are they totally inexperienced but they were all defenders, we don't even have a part time striker coach!

The players - forget about Doyley being "watford through and through" he is not a good enough footballer to be in the championship, likewise Mariappa. Eustace - not good enough, Cowie - having a poor season, should be tried in centre midfield. HH useless away from home, not a natural goalscorer and well past his best. Harley - "plays with a smile on his face" but thats all he does do!Graham - maybe not championship class but lacks service.
MM seems reluctant to change things round though and i cant see why not. Swansea is going to be very tough, thankfully Posh and Plymouth look doomed so with just one other place for relegation we should be ok, just. I would just love to see MM forget about favourites and reputation and really freshen things up.

Doomed, doomed, we're all doomed!!
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Get a grip, people. Now is the time for cool heads and vociferous support over the next 3 home games.
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And as for someone up above who said our cows are coming home to roost, not sure that really makes any sense. Do you mean chickens?!
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COYH!!!

The reality is MM is too unwilling to shake it up. Dyche is out of his depth - spitting , cursing and intimidating 4th officials. We need a shake up - the MM management team are too protective of the current starting line up. Next week's home matches will proably just cover over the major problems we have. MM and team have been found out.

Itsacockup wrote:
The reality is MM is too unwilling to shake it up. Dyche is out of his depth - spitting , cursing and intimidating 4th officials. We need a shake up - the MM management team are too protective of the current starting line up. Next week's home matches will proably just cover over the major problems we have. MM and team have been found out.

Well we hardly have the squad to make great changes that will bring the required impact because of the lack in deapth and age.

Time some of the more senior players took control though which by the sound sof it isn't happending away from home at least.

I don't have a lot of spare cash but took my son to Derby today as a 'treat'. I probably should have stayed home and hit myself with a brick for 90 mins as a 'treat'. I have to agree with Herts Hornet. We all love Doyley but he is really an average league 2 defender whose only real skill is running fast. Every time he gets the ball it's hot potato time 'arghh the ball get rid, get rid'. A left footed left back (who can run very fast) is a must for next season.
When we do get possession near the penalty area the tactic appears to be pass to as many yellow shirts as possible, ensuring that no one shoots at goal until all the defenders are blocking the way.
A brief synopsis of the game - First half - we are absolutely cr*p - Derby pass to each other and score a good goal a shot from outside the area - maybe we could try that? Second half - we are much better dominating the game, then demerit loses possession and probably Derbys first shot in the 2nd half results in a goal.
If Lansburys banjo had hit the cows rear - who knows it could have ended at 1-1 which would have been a fairer result.
Fact is we have a average team that blows hot and cold. Some great, some good, and some shocking players but they're all we've got, and we'll just have to hope they all get a lot hotter from now until May.
p.s the best player in the stadium today was sitting in the stand 5 seats away from me - a certain Mr Cleverley. The sooner he is back on the pitch the better.

Common sense from Chris the Vic as usual.
It has always been obvious that we started the season two experienced centre halves short. Malky will know that and he did well to eventually find someone like Taylor but how is he expected to put it all right without money?
Demerit might well be an experienced international but he has always made mistakes for Watford.

All credit to herts hornet for going to the game and he is entitled to his views. He wrote that Mariappa and Doyley were poor.
I couldn't get reception for the Watford commentary so had to listen to the Derby commentary. It was interesting however to hear them say that Mariappa had a very good game and was a constant threat offensively.
I guess the game is all about opinions and we all see things differently.
Its difficult to make wholesale changes when we have a small squad. I do think Hoskins deserves to start a few games although I think one or two people on here have got carried away with his three goals in midweek. Given their severe financial problems Southend's reserve side is hardly going to be full of world beaters.
At the start of the season I wrote that anything above 16th place will represent a very good effort and I still hold the same view.
I think our home form will see us through provided the dreadful Vic pitch doesn't make us resort to the long stuff.
I am coming to the view that Elton's concert money would be better invested in pitch replacement. Earlier in the season it was obvious that we were capable of very good football but it will become increasingly difficult as the pitch becomes worse.

We haven't got the players because Aidy Boothroyd bought cr#p. Malky Mackay is a very inexperienced manager but we cannot afford a better one. Sean Dyche MUST go. We have no money, even for loans. Bring in a coach who can get the best from the poor squad we have. I am very depressed.

PurpleRalph wrote:
I don't have a lot of spare cash but took my son to Derby today as a 'treat'. I probably should have stayed home and hit myself with a brick for 90 mins as a 'treat'. I have to agree with Herts Hornet. We all love Doyley but he is really an average league 2 defender whose only real skill is running fast. Every time he gets the ball it's hot potato time 'arghh the ball get rid, get rid'. A left footed left back (who can run very fast) is a must for next season. When we do get possession near the penalty area the tactic appears to be pass to as many yellow shirts as possible, ensuring that no one shoots at goal until all the defenders are blocking the way. A brief synopsis of the game - First half - we are absolutely cr*p - Derby pass to each other and score a good goal a shot from outside the area - maybe we could try that? Second half - we are much better dominating the game, then demerit loses possession and probably Derbys first shot in the 2nd half results in a goal. If Lansburys banjo had hit the cows rear - who knows it could have ended at 1-1 which would have been a fairer result. Fact is we have a average team that blows hot and cold. Some great, some good, and some shocking players but they're all we've got, and we'll just have to hope they all get a lot hotter from now until May. p.s the best player in the stadium today was sitting in the stand 5 seats away from me - a certain Mr Cleverley. The sooner he is back on the pitch the better.

I have said for a long time about the Doyley situation & yes we are not as good without Cleverley.

I tell you what...Tranver must be really bad!

Still no-sign of him in the squad despite our woes at the back.

I've got more chance of playing I think.

cliff46 wrote:
Common sense from Chris the Vic as usual. It has always been obvious that we started the season two experienced centre halves short. Malky will know that and he did well to eventually find someone like Taylor but how is he expected to put it all right without money? Demerit might well be an experienced international but he has always made mistakes for Watford. All credit to herts hornet for going to the game and he is entitled to his views. He wrote that Mariappa and Doyley were poor. I couldn't get reception for the Watford commentary so had to listen to the Derby commentary. It was interesting however to hear them say that Mariappa had a very good game and was a constant threat offensively. I guess the game is all about opinions and we all see things differently. Its difficult to make wholesale changes when we have a small squad. I do think Hoskins deserves to start a few games although I think one or two people on here have got carried away with his three goals in midweek. Given their severe financial problems Southend's reserve side is hardly going to be full of world beaters. At the start of the season I wrote that anything above 16th place will represent a very good effort and I still hold the same view. I think our home form will see us through provided the dreadful Vic pitch doesn't make us resort to the long stuff. I am coming to the view that Elton's concert money would be better invested in pitch replacement. Earlier in the season it was obvious that we were capable of very good football but it will become increasingly difficult as the pitch becomes worse.

Hi Cliff46 my point about full baks came from my Derby mate although i agreed with him as could not believe how bad they were,Pearson there left winger was man of the match after destroying Marriappa ?,yes Aidy came forward better in second half to try and support the woeful cowie but never got a cross into HH or DG all afternoon ,Hodson can cross a ball ! Yes game about opinions and went to game optimistic we would finally get an away win ,that same derby mate of mine was very uncomfortable all week saying "we are due a win away and no doubt against us e.t.c " and again i agreed so stupidly got in the car spent the money and was treated to this awful "performance" ,have now slept on it and feel worse than i did last night ,if things do not change quickly and with current board in place ,who actually makes any decisions, we could very easily end up in Div 1 ,we have a mangement team who are "confortable" they are not in any danger of being removed as know one with any balls to change things,and we have a team also confortable they have no competition for places ,and the performances recently NO WINS IN TWELVE show that loud and clear for me ,love my team and used to enjoy going away ,think i will use my head rather than my heart for now like many hundreds more have if this is the standard of effort we are going to get , the support yesterday vocally was terriffic ,the team and mangement did not deserve it !! RELEGATION LOOMES TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE QUICK .

Was at derby yesterday and watched utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter rubbish from the Watford 'team'.

They are a disgrace and the management are no better.

Bored with hearing about Hoofers ruining the club... the current team is not a result of his ineptitude, it is a result of a woeful backroom staff.

Sack 'em all. Get Elton is as manager !

Lets see how we do int he home games before demanding sacking etc..

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Was at derby yesterday and watched utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter rubbish from the Watford 'team'. They are a disgrace and the management are no better. Bored with hearing about Hoofers ruining the club... the current team is not a result of his ineptitude, it is a result of a woeful backroom staff. Sack 'em all. Get Elton is as manager !

Fair enough about not wanting to hear about Hoofroyd ruining the club and fair enough comment on the utter rubbish served up yesterday (although I must confess I was not there). However, we do need to remember the conditions the management team are now having to work with, which are a direct result of Hoofroyd and Simpson/Ashton.
So, that said, we are stuck with it I'm afraid, as frustrating as that may sound.
We have Mackay as manager and he will be even if we slip into the bottom 3 (which we won't).
Suggest you take the frustration out on the real perpetrators of the current situation, if you can, as your statements about woeful backroom staff,etc are not at all helpful when what we all need is to pull together.
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Let's consider you are the manager for a moment. You are on a bad run and are feeling the pressure of not winning in 12 away games. What reaction from the fans do you think would be the most helpful to you in order to stop the slump? Now really stop and think about it for a while and then get back to me. What would motivate you to try harder/do better for what is virtually a thankless task?
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Suggestion for the next 3 games - let's raise the roof. 7 points from 9 will put a stop to all this nonsense.

How many of you were at Cardiff in 2006 ? quiet a few I would think. Get off Aidy's back. Blame Holmer & Cashton, all managers ask for money that clubs have not got well run clubs do not let him have it. (Portsmouth spring to mind) we & Portsmouth both lost track of who we are & were not living in the real world. As many of you have already said we must make changes to the team if you keep sending the same players out week in week out the same thing will happen.

Agree with the previous post, we cannot keep blaming Boofers. He is at Colchester now and seems to be doing a good job.

Malky is in charge; he selected his backroom staff and he selects the team and tactics. I said all along that he was another Colin Lee and that is slowly proving to be the case.

It is the current board who are now guilty of mismanagement by appointing a rookie manager on a three year deal without an experienced assitant.

If we stay up this season then things will only get tougher next season. It is inevitable that Harley and Eustace will leave; it is unlikely that Lansbury and Cleverly will return which leaves us with a midfield of young and inexperienced players; Demerrit, too, will leave, and we will not be able to afford to bring in an experienced replacement. Hoskins will also likely head for the exit door which will leave us with just Graham and Henderson if Helguson decides to stay at QPR(lets face it he is the kind of player than Warnock would want).

If we survive this season, then we will surely be favourites for relegation next season. Especially if the current management team are left in place.

Tricky Rick wrote:
Agree with the previous post, we cannot keep blaming Boofers. He is at Colchester now and seems to be doing a good job. Malky is in charge; he selected his backroom staff and he selects the team and tactics. I said all along that he was another Colin Lee and that is slowly proving to be the case. It is the current board who are now guilty of mismanagement by appointing a rookie manager on a three year deal without an experienced assitant. If we stay up this season then things will only get tougher next season. It is inevitable that Harley and Eustace will leave; it is unlikely that Lansbury and Cleverly will return which leaves us with a midfield of young and inexperienced players; Demerrit, too, will leave, and we will not be able to afford to bring in an experienced replacement. Hoskins will also likely head for the exit door which will leave us with just Graham and Henderson if Helguson decides to stay at QPR(lets face it he is the kind of player than Warnock would want). If we survive this season, then we will surely be favourites for relegation next season. Especially if the current management team are left in place.

Looks like Rick Holden has a new identity.
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Just a word on Boothroyd - if you take a look at Colchester messgage boards you'll see what they think of him, and it ain't pretty.

Tricky Rick wrote:
Agree with the previous post, we cannot keep blaming Boofers. He is at Colchester now and seems to be doing a good job. Malky is in charge; he selected his backroom staff and he selects the team and tactics. I said all along that he was another Colin Lee and that is slowly proving to be the case. It is the current board who are now guilty of mismanagement by appointing a rookie manager on a three year deal without an experienced assitant. If we stay up this season then things will only get tougher next season. It is inevitable that Harley and Eustace will leave; it is unlikely that Lansbury and Cleverly will return which leaves us with a midfield of young and inexperienced players; Demerrit, too, will leave, and we will not be able to afford to bring in an experienced replacement. Hoskins will also likely head for the exit door which will leave us with just Graham and Henderson if Helguson decides to stay at QPR(lets face it he is the kind of player than Warnock would want). If we survive this season, then we will surely be favourites for relegation next season. Especially if the current management team are left in place.

Well they won't mind if it wins them promotion..

In some ways its not so much the current board because the Russos I presume had the final say for manager.

WFC4ever, rousman and others imbeciules who still dellude themselves that hoofroyd was a good manager.

The man is incompetent, arrogant and disliked by those in the know. An amateur that still believes he will unseat Capello some day soon.

Sadly, we will need min 6 points from the next three games to avoid being 50/50 for ther trap door.

Rousman 2! Of course the Board agreed Aidy Boothroyd's spending. But they didn't know - and why should they have done? - how badly the money was spent. Stick to supporting Uxbridge. With Aidy almost bankrupting the Club and Malky and Sean Dyche not very good at management we may join you in the next few years in whichever league you are in! Also, remember, it was the great hero of many of you who contribute to these postings - Jimmy Russo - who appointed Malky and Sean. On dear!

I was at the game yesterday. It ended in much the way I expected.
Without Cleverley we are absolute garbage. If Doyley has to play it cannot be at left back he cant keep the ball on the island from there.
There was no creativity on show at all for Watford.We actually ended up with a couple of clear cut chances but I disagree with anyone who thinks we deserved even one point from this. The defence is very vulnerable but going forward it is just non existent.
Very impressed that Derby get crowds of 30k to watch their team who are only marginally better than us.
Hurry up back TC and get the Rochdale Hornet on the pitch. We are in real trouble and on this performance will be relegated.
Im not into this blame culture but i think the current management need a more positive approach.

Only 2 Ross Jenkins - you mention support and "raise the roof" - not likely our support vocally at home couldn't raise a tissue. I have written about this before cos it really frustrates me but our support this season has been as sh*te as our team.
You also mention 2 out of 3 wins at home will put an end to this nonsense - bit short sighted that isn't it? Half our games are played away and even if we win the next 3 at home it will merely paper over the cracks.

Wags it all about? wrote:
WFC4ever, rousman and others imbeciules who still dellude themselves that hoofroyd was a good manager. The man is incompetent, arrogant and disliked by those in the know. An amateur that still believes he will unseat Capello some day soon. Sadly, we will need min 6 points from the next three games to avoid being 50/50 for ther trap door.

Well he was "good" for a season or so..before he got a large amount money to spend!

All I said was that Colchester fans won't care how they play if they get promoted anyway...

As for Aidy as a person..well I too heard all those quotwes and those comments about him from others.

Anyway he's in the past...so of.

As for anyone wanting Macky out...well he probably got the job in the first place because other more experienced managers maybe interested would have been out off by the uncertain nature/direction of the club.

Malky knew and accepeted what he had to work with...for 2/3rds he and the team were doing that fine.

Just seems we don't know what to do once going behind...I am not sure having DeMerit as captain to rally the troops helps much.

You know full well that MM was appointed because of the finances, which Russo tried to cover up saying that there were 50+ applicants lined up and they were in the process of making a short list.
He was the cheap option that was unbelievably handed a 3yr contract by that absolute cretin that knew less than what The Old Silver Fox did. MM was overlooked in favour of BR in the 1st place, when in reality we would have been better off keeping hold of AB, he was trying a different style but wasn't given long enough, mainly because of fan pressure!!
MM will get longer no doubt, which is utterly amazing seeing AB's previous success'.
If we do get relegated then G.T has to stand by in what said.
Roy Kinnear would have been the most ideal replacement that wouldn't have been on any long term contract.....for obvious reasons, but for now I'd be inclined to get AB back before Sir Alex retires!!!!!!!

roy kinnear
now that would have been a new approach. Maybe he could have brought us back from the dead

oh retard will you please refrain from talking out of your bottom

hoofroyd and silver pox will forever be cretins for their 'legacy'.

We are indeed still paying a heavy price for what was arguably the worst administration ever seen under the simpson/ashton/hoofr
oyd's reign - aptly endorsed by Michael Ashcroft.

We need new ownership in order to build a platform for stability on and off the pitch.

Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:

Hornet Cornet wrote: Was at derby yesterday and watched utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter rubbish from the Watford 'team'. They are a disgrace and the management are no better. Bored with hearing about Hoofers ruining the club... the current team is not a result of his ineptitude, it is a result of a woeful backroom staff. Sack 'em all. Get Elton is as manager !

Fair enough about not wanting to hear about Hoofroyd ruining the club and fair enough comment on the utter rubbish served up yesterday (although I must confess I was not there). However, we do need to remember the conditions the management team are now having to work with, which are a direct result of Hoofroyd and Simpson/Ashton. So, that said, we are stuck with it I'm afraid, as frustrating as that may sound. We have Mackay as manager and he will be even if we slip into the bottom 3 (which we won't). Suggest you take the frustration out on the real perpetrators of the current situation, if you can, as your statements about woeful backroom staff,etc are not at all helpful when what we all need is to pull together. - Let's consider you are the manager for a moment. You are on a bad run and are feeling the pressure of not winning in 12 away games. What reaction from the fans do you think would be the most helpful to you in order to stop the slump? Now really stop and think about it for a while and then get back to me. What would motivate you to try harder/do better for what is virtually a thankless task? - Suggestion for the next 3 games - let's raise the roof. 7 points from 9 will put a stop to all this nonsense.

What would motivate me to do better? How about looking at the table and seeing how we've slid into the toilet of the division?

Let's have another scenario, seeing how like to play Dungeons & Dragons in your playhouse, imagine that you are a banana and are about to be dipped in chocolate, what would you do?

HC

Isn't that a tincey bit gay?

V-o-r, Fair point. Imagine, Only 2 Ross Jenkins, that you are a finger of fudge, about to be dipped in some marmite....

I see it's the same old nonsense from the same old losers on this site. Can't you see we are in an absolutely critical stage of restructuring the club's finances so that we can survive long term. Rightly or wrongly, Malky's our manager right now and needs our full support over the last quarter of the season to help him achieve the best he can. The dreadful away form is both baffling and a concern and clearly must be addressed, but more urgently we need to pick up a minimum of 5-6 points (hopefully more) from the next 3 home games to stop the rot, so get off Malky's back and support the team.

Those who persist in somehow trying to blame Ashcroft are so wide of the mark, it is laughable. He's never got directly involved in the running of the club (other than positively to help rid us of those vermin Salad Bros and loan plus £5m), the only thing he is guilty of is being taken in by Simpson, who sold him a dream of Premiership riches, etc. Ashcroft has stated that he'd like to sell up, given a sensible option in the future. Fortunately, in the short term, he's still around and is not looking to put us in administration and is still prepared to underwrite the share issue, which will leave us virtually debt free and almost in a break even position come the summer. Hopefully, we'll still be in the Championship by then and can then start the long process of rebuilding the club from the bottom up. However, if we get relegated we will still have a club and I'll still support them. In the meantime why don't we all stop moaning and support our Team?

shut up Richard, some of have our eyes open. Some of us, i.e. you, have Boothroydyitus.

Sadly peoples memories are short.

The heroic Boofers took over Coclchester from Lambert after they smashed Norwich. Lambert now has Norwich clear at the top and Boofers is picking what is basically Lamberts team. Boofers does not compare with Lambert.
Then there was Boofers clear at the top of the championship with some great players at Championship level. WBA beat us 3.0 on our home turf and boofers hadnt a clue how to turn it round with a large and capable squad.

Malkys squad at the star of the season was ok, he was then stripped of LeeW, Tommy s, Tamas, willow,Jobi and Ras was lost and yet we have fought well over the season.

Wake up, get behind the team and pray for five more home victories and safety. next year we may have a team that has stabilised and that can be improved by Buckley, McGinn, Jenkins, Hodson and Loach all improving and we have a great chance of retaining Cleverly and maybe getting another couple of loanees like him.
Back the team against Swansea and hope that by next year the boardroom and possibly ownership is settled.

Hornet Cornet wrote:
shut up Richard, some of have our eyes open. Some of us, i.e. you, have Boothroydyitus.

A most constructive and well considered response indeed, I rest my case.

You haven't answered my question about what reaction from the fans do you think would be the most helpful given the current situation?
And another thing, wtf are you going on about dungeons and dragons/ bananas/chocolate? I think it's an attempt to throw some kind of insult my way, but for the life of me I have no idea what you are on about.
Not very constructive is it? Time to grow up.
I'd prefer we just had a sensible discussion about WFC.

garston edl wrote:
Only 2 Ross Jenkins - you mention support and "raise the roof" - not likely our support vocally at home couldn't raise a tissue. I have written about this before cos it really frustrates me but our support this season has been as sh*te as our team. You also mention 2 out of 3 wins at home will put an end to this nonsense - bit short sighted that isn't it? Half our games are played away and even if we win the next 3 at home it will merely paper over the cracks.

OK, if we get 7 points from 9 in the next 3 games we will have 46 points with 11 games to play which will go some way to stop the nonsense being talked about on these boards.
So in my opinion, not necessarily short sighted as everyone then will be talking about what a great job the manager is doing, and some will no doubt start talking about a play-off spot!
Just have to get those 7 points...!

Chris the Vic wrote:
Sadly peoples memories are short.

The heroic Boofers took over Coclchester from Lambert after they smashed Norwich. Lambert now has Norwich clear at the top and Boofers is picking what is basically Lamberts team. Boofers does not compare with Lambert.
Then there was Boofers clear at the top of the championship with some great players at Championship level. WBA beat us 3.0 on our home turf and boofers hadnt a clue how to turn it round with a large and capable squad.

Malkys squad at the star of the season was ok, he was then stripped of LeeW, Tommy s, Tamas, willow,Jobi and Ras was lost and yet we have fought well over the season.

Wake up, get behind the team and pray for five more home victories and safety. next year we may have a team that has stabilised and that can be improved by Buckley, McGinn, Jenkins, Hodson and Loach all improving and we have a great chance of retaining Cleverly and maybe getting another couple of loanees like him.
Back the team against Swansea and hope that by next year the boardroom and possibly ownership is settled.

+1

totally pointless harping on about past managers and past board members, we've got who we've got and we ain't gonna get anyone else between now and the end of the season

MM is inexperienced, SD isn't the best guy to be on his shoulder (or the 4th officials) but that's what we got - shut up moaning and try supporting instead, it doesn't make you a "happy clapper" it makes you a WFC fan.... 2 wins and 1 draw from next 3 home games and table will look a whole lot better .... COYHs

Dear oh dear what a cheery lot yo are..the phrase "Don't panic" comes to mind..yes we have an awful away record,sometimes that just happens,it has happened before and will again.Put this against the fact that due to various circumstances we have played 2 home games so far in 2010 is it any wonder we have slipped down the table.I would suggest we judge things after March where we have 5 home games,the critiscm that has been levelled at both the playes and manager above is ridculous and un warranted.Some of the football and matches this season have produced football of a level I have never seen from a Watford side in nearly 40 years and yes that includes GT,we are well capable of finishing on the fringes if not in the play-offs..for Gods sake pull yourselves together and get behind the lads..if this kind of negativism transmits itself to them then we will be in trouble.Look up not down.

Bye Bye Stewart wrote:
Dear oh dear what a cheery lot yo are..the phrase "Don't panic" comes to mind..yes we have an awful away record,sometimes that just happens,it has happened before and will again.Put this against the fact that due to various circumstances we have played 2 home games so far in 2010 is it any wonder we have slipped down the table.I would suggest we judge things after March where we have 5 home games,the critiscm that has been levelled at both the playes and manager above is ridculous and un warranted.Some of the football and matches this season have produced football of a level I have never seen from a Watford side in nearly 40 years and yes that includes GT,we are well capable of finishing on the fringes if not in the play-offs..for Gods sake pull yourselves together and get behind the lads..if this kind of negativism transmits itself to them then we will be in trouble.Look up not down.

Totally agree. Trouble is there are too many people refusing to see the bigger picture. Not sure why.

Our support is rubbish and unless MM goes we will only ever be an average Championship side or a relegation struggler. Our stadium is embarrasing and does us no favours. Unless we get a Roman Abramovich come into this club, then we will always be 'little old Watford'. We only get into the Premier League every six years and even then we struggle. This club is going no where!

wyldething1990 wrote:
Our support is rubbish and unless MM goes we will only ever be an average Championship side or a relegation struggler. Our stadium is embarrasing and does us no favours. Unless we get a Roman Abramovich come into this club, then we will always be 'little old Watford'. We only get into the Premier League every six years and even then we struggle. This club is going no where!

If you want any more than getting into the Premier League every 6 years and the odd FA cup semi final I suggest you go and support Chelsea,Arsenal etc..what exactly do you expect from a club of our size,you really do sum up football today - everyone thinks they are entitled to be winners..over history there have only ever been a handful of clubs who win things year on year,there are only 3 domestic trophies to go for in the upper leagues do you really think we should be challenging for them ? And quite how do you expect a club of our size to sustain season after season in the Premiership,and if you do get up there all you have to look forward to is struggle...get a season ticket for the mighty blues..

wyldething1990 wrote:
Our support is rubbish and unless MM goes we will only ever be an average Championship side or a relegation struggler. Our stadium is embarrasing and does us no favours. Unless we get a Roman Abramovich come into this club, then we will always be 'little old Watford'. We only get into the Premier League every six years and even then we struggle. This club is going no where!

1/10

Can we now drop Demerit, he is an absolute liability.

A captain is supposed to Gee players up. He certainly doesnt.

All we ever hear him talk about is the world cup. If I was the USA manager I would be looking at his performances and wondering whether I really fancy letting him mark Rooney.

Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:

wyldething1990 wrote: Our support is rubbish and unless MM goes we will only ever be an average Championship side or a relegation struggler. Our stadium is embarrasing and does us no favours. Unless we get a Roman Abramovich come into this club, then we will always be 'little old Watford'. We only get into the Premier League every six years and even then we struggle. This club is going no where!

1/10

You're not far wrong Bud. More like every 20 years than 6 that we get a good side. But when you're a Watford fan it's that "every 20 years" that we're all waiting for. And when it comes along, it's brilliant. Next one circa 2024 !

Well a mixed bag of opinions, which is fair enough. As i said earlier in the thread i think Swansea, especially without Cleverley will be tough. However, if we can't beat Posh, whose own manager has given up on them then we deserve to be relegated and MM should resign immeditately. Posh are a truly awful team at the moment!

Indeed a right mixed bag of views and a few with some fair points, a lot of dross as well.

The overriding fact is that unless we do get a "sugar daddy" we are destined to be about where we are.

There will be a lot more clubs come out of the woodwork with huge financial difficulties over the next couple of seasons, at least we will be debt free and just about self-sustaining by next season. Which of course could make WFC an attractive proposition for a "sugar daddy" to invest in. But, until that happens we have to live within our means if we are to survive.

To Saturdays game, I was worried by both of the Derby goals. The first our defence just stood there and watched Tonge, not one player went to shut him down.

The second bad mistake by JDM, but to see Taylor just give up the chase was probably more worrying!

And, finally, heard that Tom Smith will be going to either Newcastle or WBA on some sort of deal from Pompey this week.

wyldething1990 wrote:
Our support is rubbish and unless MM goes we will only ever be an average Championship side or a relegation struggler. Our stadium is embarrasing and does us no favours. Unless we get a Roman Abramovich come into this club, then we will always be 'little old Watford'. We only get into the Premier League every six years and even then we struggle. This club is going no where!

Well we all wish for some rich investor to come in and help the club like Elton did all those years ago...

For now most would settle with staying up.

Right about the groud but we know who to blame for that...

I mean lets take Stoke city as an example, the have a impressive ground, EXPERIENCED MANAGER, decent squad and are on a good financial set up. Now they have spent years building that up and they havent become a yoyo team as yet. However I feel that this club will be in the same financial mess in 10 to 20 years time unless someone comes in as someone else stated like Sir Elton John. I think that if there was enough supporters who were willing to put together a fans consortium to buy out the club, then we should be okay. Also as a season ticket holder in the VR end, the rookery stand has lost its soul compared to a few seasons ago. I use to love sitting in the rookery singing all the songs. especially about L****.

Wyldething, you mentioned L**** and I have more to add on them.

I was recently at a dinner when chatting to the gentleman opposite. It turned out he was the L**** MD and an extremely pleasant and intelligent person too.

No, I didn't start a fight with him as some morons on this site would want, I listened to him talk about LTFC's plight and how they are combatting it. They are investing into their youth teams (recently sold a player to Liverpool worth potentially £1m and have won 2 european youth trophies this season)and have cut costs to the core.

If we're to avoid following them into oblivion then we need to do the same and we are, thank goodness.

I much prefer the challenge of taking 6 points a season off them than having Reading and QPR as our nearest rivals. One of the greatest memories I have is calling the UK from the USA to hear we'd just beaten them 0-4. Oh sweet memories.

All you moaners and groaners, face the reality, we're puinching above our weight and have no god given right to be a Championship side. Get behind the team and stop moaning, after all you could be a L**** fan watching Conference football.

We aint punching above our weight, that is a lightweight's response whenever Watford go rubbish. The fact of the matter is that the supporters have been more than accommodating, the manager's had enough time, the players have more than enough experience, and yet we're useless.

If the manager can't get them playing, then sack him.

Mirror, mirror on the wall,
who is the most useless of them all?
Hornet Cornet, that's his name,
Total Tosser's Hall of Fame.

A simpleton man, lacking in vision,
One and one make three, in Championship division.
Everything's simple, no argument with that,
Yet again showing he's just a big T*at.

Very good N Joy.