Peterborough United claim first away win and complete double over Hornets (From Watford Observer)
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Peterborough United claim first away win and complete double over Hornets
5:05pm Saturday 13th March 2010 in
Watford’s plight at the wrong end of the table has deepened after resurgent Peterborough United picked up their first away win of the season with a 1-0 victory at Vicarage Road this afternoon.
The Championship’s bottom club completed the double over the Hornets thanks to Liam Dickinson’s 51st-minute lob, capitalising on error of judgement from Scott Loach.
The Hornets tried to get back on terms but, worryingly, they failed to score for the third consecutive game for the first time this season in slumping to a fourth straight defeat.
Despite seeing his side lose their previous three games, Hornets boss Malky Mackay chose to make just the one change, with Tom Cleverley returning from suspension to replace Jon Harley.
Loach has been near faultless for the Hornets in recent months despite the poor string of results and he produced a great double stop to stop Peterborough from taking the lead on 12 minutes.
First poor communication in the Watford defence allowed Craig Mackail-Smith in and the former St Albans City striker tried to lob the ball over Loach but the keeper saved with his chest. The ball then fell to Dickinson and the England Under-21 international parried away the striker's powerful shot from a tight angle.
Watford had to wait almost half hour for their first real chance. The ball fell to the returning Cleverley 18 yards out but his volley was comfortably over.
The Hornets had another near escape shortly before the break but this time they had the post to thank.
Aaron Mclean was thrown the ball 20 yards out and he turned sharply and struck a first-time shot against the post, with Loach scrambling across the goal.
The visitors, who made a change at the break with the giant Exodus Geohahgon coming on for Sergio Torres, had the first chance of the second period in the 49th minute when Mclean fired narrowly wide of Loach’s right-hand post.
But Posh got the goal they had been threatening two minutes later – and it was a disaster for the Hornets and Loach, in particular.
The England Under-21 keeper bizarrely came right to the edge of his area to challenge for a ball, lost out in a 50-50 challenge and then could only watch Dickinson’s superb 25-yard lob sail over him as he back-tracked towards his own line.
Watford, spurred on by the Rookery, tried to respond, with Adrian Mariappa forcing Joe Lewis into a blocking save with the home side’s first on-target attempt and then Danny Graham missed the target from eight yards following a cross from Cleverley.
That was to be Graham’s last involvement in the game as he was replaced by Will Hoskins on 61 minutes and then Liam Henderson came on for Don Cowie 11 minutes later.
But another opportunity was not forthcoming until the 75th minute when Henri Lansbury was fouled on the edge of the Peterborough box, but Cleverley struck the resultant free-kick narrowly over.
The game was now being played almost exclusively in the Posh area and Mariappa was the next to try his luck with a right-footed shot from inside the area that Mark Little blocked.
But Watford survived another let off with six minutes when Loach tipped a header from Reuben Reid, who had only just come on to the pitch as a replacement for Mclean, onto the bar following a long throw from Geohaghon.
Still the Hornets kept pushing for the equaliser though, with Hoskins chancing his arm with an ambitious 35-yard effort that only narrowly cleared the bar, but that was as close as they came.
Watford: Loach; Mariappa (McGinn 85), DeMerit, Taylor, Doyley; Cowie (Henderson 72), Eustace, Lansbury, Cleverley; Graham (Hoskins 61), Helguson. Not used: Jenkins, Harley, R Lee and Hodson.
Peterborough United: Lewis, Little, Morgan, Zakuani, Griffiths (Simpson 75); C Lee; Torres (Geohaghon 46), Rowe; Mackail-Smith, Dickinson, Mclean (Reid 83). Not used: McKeown, Day, Crook and Green.
Bookings: Lansbury after 39 mins; Helguson after 90 mins.
Attendance: 16,591.
Referee: Anthony Taylor.
Comments(134)
dogwfc
says...
5:21pm Sat 13 Mar 10
bishopofwatford
says...
5:34pm Sat 13 Mar 10
what another performance that was
no shots on target in the first half..again
i really am beginning to wonder if it might be time for a new vicar
still at the beginning of the season i would have been happy with finishing fourth from bottom and still in business
it looks like the former is going to be the best we can hope for and the latter .... well we will see how interested in wfc "the good lord is " when cameroons boy fails to win watford
i think i will be paying for my 2010/11 season ticket by installments !!!
i must away and drain the font
keep the faith
Elton Bog
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5:34pm Sat 13 Mar 10
The back 4 were pathetic. Doyley IS NOT A LEFT BACK. Even his head is right footed. Mariappa had a mare. Jay Demerit - don't get me started. Even Taylor was rubbish, came that close to making it 2-0.
Cleverley seemed to want to win it by himsef. The midfield were cr@p. Too many lazy passes, spooned up to no-one, too far and straight to the Posh keeper. I don't think we won a single 50/50.
These are largely the same players that impressed against QPR and Wednesday. What the hell has happened? I think Malky has run out of ideas. I wouldn't normally talk about changing managers, but im bl00dy seething at the moment.
a1derek
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5:35pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Malky didn't make 3 or 4 changes.
That Buckley wasn't even on the bench.
The body language of some of the players was very poor.
That there was open dissent from Eustace and Loach towards MM
That we didn't force Lewis into even one save.
We were p*****d on by Peterborough...YES Peterborough.
Unless something really does change for Tuesday I fear we won't see any better then.
Just wasn't good enough.
If it doesn't get any better (quickly) we are going down!
Forces Hornet
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5:35pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Lets see what all you MM tree huggers have to say this week then?
I would like to add I'm enjoying some leave before i depart for Afghanistan so i emailed the club to ask what they are doing for the H M Forces as Help4Heroes day. I said i didn't mind paying like the everybody else and i would enjoy the day in uniform and help promote the charity.
I was really pleased with there reply......Nothing!
I love the club as much as the rest of you and of course i want them to stay up.....but MM never was the man to do this for us. So i'm not a turn coat because i have always had my doubts when they appointed him manager. 4 defeats in a row and no goals in 3 games. Anyone that can't see that we are in trouble are wearing rose tinted glasses.
I can't wait to hear MM post match reaction......NOT.
Paul_Caruso
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5:42pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Watford_Writer
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5:51pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Elton Bog
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5:56pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Feff
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6:00pm Sat 13 Mar 10
jasonwatford
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6:07pm Sat 13 Mar 10
APPA IS WHAT IT SAYS...I HOPE DE MERITT DOES MARK ROONEY IN WORLD CUP...TAYLOR JUST HOOFS THE BALL...COWIE LOOKS LIKE A PLAYER BROUGHT FOR 50 GRAND.....HELGUSON AND GRAHAM MIGHT AS WELL HAVE ANT AND DEC.MALKEY IS A COMPLETE DONUT ON TEAM SELECTION AND CHANGES.IT IS A DISCUSTING TO WATCH......IM OUT
Hornofplenty
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6:11pm Sat 13 Mar 10
..apparently not. Never wanted the sweaty - still don't.
djwatford
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6:23pm Sat 13 Mar 10
We cannot afford to change the manager so there is no point in discussing it.
We urgently need a striker as Heidar is looking tired and the other two can't score.
I don't think AM was that bad.He was certainly our most attacking player for much of the game!
We need to really get behind the team now otherwise we'll all deserve div 1 football next season.
Tricky Rick
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6:41pm Sat 13 Mar 10
His dealings in the January transfer window - Taylor aside - have proven to be very costly. We needed to sign impact players instead of yet more inexperienced lads who warm the bench each week. As it is we are now left with a team with very little pace which has gone very stale and is now bereft of any confidence.
We must look to the emergency window for more striking options because this is where the major problems lie. H is not the answer, and Graham is so obviously out if his depth.
Tough decisions need to be made and fast but with GT at the helm this is unlikely. I unashamedly sang for Mackay to be sacked today and not one person objected. Anyone with a brain can see he has run out of ideas and has lost the dressing room.
Graham Taylor, you have done so much for this club, but you were part of the panel that appointed Mackay. If you have not got the guts to sack the manager, then please step down as chairman, otherwise you will be just as responsible for our impending relegation as Mackay.
I urge all fans who care about this club to vent their anger at the manager on Tuesday. WFC supporters have always been too loyal and no one man is bigger than the club. Mackay is not management material and unless you want to see a return to the lower divisions he MUST BE REMOVED! There is still time for a new management team to instill belief and discipline and turn this mess around.
Glen Roeder was shown the door after an equally dreadful run and he could claim to have been blighted by injuries. It is time for Mackay to go.
MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT!!!!
BTW - family day....when is the club going to grow some balls. I do not want to see push chairs and 4 year old girls at a football match. It is not an appropriate enviroment for young children....neither is it an appropriate environment for middle class softies and bleeding hear liberals who object to bad language....if you don't like it **** off!
Spencer Hutchinson
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6:43pm Sat 13 Mar 10
pfwhornets
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6:50pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Ipswich (H) 0-1
Cardiff (A) 0-2
Sheff W (A) 0-1
Middlesbro' (H) 1-1
Palace (H) 1-0
Preston (A) 0-0
WBA (H) 0-3
Plymouth (H) 2-0
Leicester (A) 1-2
QPR (A) 0-2
Reading (H) 1-0
Coventry (A) 0-3
11 points and I'm being generous, makes 50. Unless there's a remarkable change of fortune we're down.
WatfordRuss
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6:56pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Mediahornet
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7:00pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Damming the crowding of Loach at corners after Gannon's pre match commentary and so much wrong with that team we are only going one way.
The buck stops with MM.
herts hornet
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7:06pm Sat 13 Mar 10
This is disgusting an insult to those of us forking out to watch this dross MM picks same players week in week out ,talk about not changing a LOSING side !! ,we did not have a worthwhile shot on goal ,p'boro scored and hit woodwork twice ,this is it for me the mangement team must be changed ,Graham Taylor turns up today to rally the fans ,you were also made a mug of GT ,do you have the backbone with your other directors to change this though if not WE ARE GOING DOWN
hemels golden
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7:07pm Sat 13 Mar 10
herts hornet
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7:14pm Sat 13 Mar 10
MJ1
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7:36pm Sat 13 Mar 10
garston edl
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7:38pm Sat 13 Mar 10
rousman 2
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7:48pm Sat 13 Mar 10
hornet4eva
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7:52pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Johnny Ryden
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8:26pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Wags it all about?
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8:37pm Sat 13 Mar 10
"Relegation" by Julian Winter and the nodding dogs (special re-mix edition featuring the tax exile from Belize)
We all want to see our team do well and play to their realistic potential - for me that was 4th from bottom at the start of the season.
However, when the foundations of the club continue to crumble ever more perilously is it any wonder?
We have a joke of a management team, led by Winter (Mark Ashton appointed incompetent) and a team of nodding dogs and hangers on.
And the nutty professor templeton and his board are ineffective light weights that have no real authority or financial stake in the club.
GT you've done great things for this club but sadly you are out of your depth and have backed the wrong horse in Ashcroft.
As the bishop has wisely pointed out above , I also believe Ashcroft's campaign money will indeed be wasted concering the watford seat.
Until current incompetents are cleared out - and be assured it is coming - we have to accept the reality of a club and team which are in free fall.
Despite this self inflicted disaster, I will keep supporting my team. However, as we have plainly seen in the last three home games, I am preparing myself for the reality of league one footbal next season.
garston edl
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8:39pm Sat 13 Mar 10
apatters
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8:46pm Sat 13 Mar 10
WFC4L
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8:48pm Sat 13 Mar 10
ReadersWives
says...
9:08pm Sat 13 Mar 10
League runners-up position as new signings Viv
Anderson, Steve Bruce and Brian McClair made their
mark. This was followed by 11th position in 1988/89 and,
after a further threat of relegation, 13th position in
1989-90. The fans were not convinced by Alex Ferguson
and on his third anniversary as manager of Manchester
United a banner was unfurled in the scoreboard end
saying: "Three years of excuses; Ta-ra Fergie". Ferguson
remembers the period as 'Black December': "It was,
without question, the lowest, most desperate point ever in
all my years in management." (Alex Ferguson, Just Champion)
Hornofplenty
says...
9:10pm Sat 13 Mar 10
ReadersWives wrote:Did he get them relegated from the championship? Pointless post....
In his first full season, Ferguson guided United to a League runners-up position as new signings Viv Anderson, Steve Bruce and Brian McClair made their mark. This was followed by 11th position in 1988/89 and, after a further threat of relegation, 13th position in 1989-90. The fans were not convinced by Alex Ferguson and on his third anniversary as manager of Manchester United a banner was unfurled in the scoreboard end saying: "Three years of excuses; Ta-ra Fergie". Ferguson remembers the period as 'Black December': "It was, without question, the lowest, most desperate point ever in all my years in management." (Alex Ferguson, Just Champion)
garston edl
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9:12pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Hornet Cornet
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9:15pm Sat 13 Mar 10
garston edl
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9:16pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Clown.
ReadersWives
says...
9:19pm Sat 13 Mar 10
garston edl wrote:Strange comment from someone who wants to turn the tide as well.
Readerswives - for every Fergie, who managed to turn it round, there's hundreds who didn't.
Clown.
Hypocrite.
rookerynook
says...
9:20pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Thank you for "spurred on by the Rookery" - at least the subs gave it a real go. Before that it was all about our divine right to score, which of course we didn't.
No turning back now. COYH!
ReadersWives
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9:22pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Hornofplenty wrote:Wow ...a real timelord.
ReadersWives wrote:Did he get them relegated from the championship? Pointless post....
In his first full season, Ferguson guided United to a League runners-up position as new signings Viv Anderson, Steve Bruce and Brian McClair made their mark. This was followed by 11th position in 1988/89 and, after a further threat of relegation, 13th position in 1989-90. The fans were not convinced by Alex Ferguson and on his third anniversary as manager of Manchester United a banner was unfurled in the scoreboard end saying: "Three years of excuses; Ta-ra Fergie". Ferguson remembers the period as 'Black December': "It was, without question, the lowest, most desperate point ever in all my years in management." (Alex Ferguson, Just Champion)
We're not down at time of posting.
Forces Hornet
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9:26pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Surrey Hornet
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9:35pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Forces Hornet
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9:43pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Well MM i didn't see that coming! Lets hope we beat in form Ipswich on Tuesday. If not lets hope your Post Match Reaction might read...........Goodb
ye, lets see you get out of that!
I also hope we do win to get some feed back from you silent MM lovers.
SimonW, Godalming
says...
9:47pm Sat 13 Mar 10
The decline in form over recent weeks has been staggering, we are now playing with no belief, no confidence, no idea & no leadership.
The manager is totally bereft of ideas & needs serious help from somewherere, there is no chance of a change at the helm & with this in mind there is no chance of our fortunes changing, we are on a downward spiral which is going to end in inevitable relegation & there is nothing (as supporters) we can do about it.
Accept it people - League 1 is beckoning!!
hemels golden
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9:52pm Sat 13 Mar 10
SimonW, Godalming
says...
9:56pm Sat 13 Mar 10
hornet4eva
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10:10pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Chris the Vic
says...
10:34pm Sat 13 Mar 10
I have news for him, his strike partner, Eustace, Cowie and our defence...every paying person was irritated by too many players wearing a shirt, earning good money and not putting in the effort or caring. The team cept the loanees were hopeless, inadequate and looked relegation fodder. THEY let the club down and the fans...overall Jay and his motley crew were pathetic if not disgraceful and are on current form truly the worst team in the championship...malky as a manager is inexperienced and has little to work with...Hoskins like Graham and HH struggle with everything..one through age the other two through lack of talent.
The likes of Holton, Uphill,Scullion, Garbett, Mercer, Jenkins, Blissett etc would be embarrassed by our shirts being worn by such a bunch of losers and prima donnas.
Feff
says...
10:48pm Sat 13 Mar 10
derry pigweed
says...
10:52pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Tricky Rick wrote:Your comments on family day make you a very sad person !
I have said all along that the appoinment of MM as manager was a monumental mistake and now this is becoming increasingly clear. His dealings in the January transfer window - Taylor aside - have proven to be very costly. We needed to sign impact players instead of yet more inexperienced lads who warm the bench each week. As it is we are now left with a team with very little pace which has gone very stale and is now bereft of any confidence. We must look to the emergency window for more striking options because this is where the major problems lie. H is not the answer, and Graham is so obviously out if his depth. Tough decisions need to be made and fast but with GT at the helm this is unlikely. I unashamedly sang for Mackay to be sacked today and not one person objected. Anyone with a brain can see he has run out of ideas and has lost the dressing room. Graham Taylor, you have done so much for this club, but you were part of the panel that appointed Mackay. If you have not got the guts to sack the manager, then please step down as chairman, otherwise you will be just as responsible for our impending relegation as Mackay. I urge all fans who care about this club to vent their anger at the manager on Tuesday. WFC supporters have always been too loyal and no one man is bigger than the club. Mackay is not management material and unless you want to see a return to the lower divisions he MUST BE REMOVED! There is still time for a new management team to instill belief and discipline and turn this mess around. Glen Roeder was shown the door after an equally dreadful run and he could claim to have been blighted by injuries. It is time for Mackay to go. MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT!!!! BTW - family day....when is the club going to grow some balls. I do not want to see push chairs and 4 year old girls at a football match. It is not an appropriate enviroment for young children....neither is it an appropriate environment for middle class softies and bleeding hear liberals who object to bad language....if you don't like it **** off!
Your other comments I disagree with but you are entitled to your opinion.
But Rick holden,tricky rick or whatever you wish to call yourself
Remember Watford F.C. is a family club.
PurpleRalph
says...
11:26pm Sat 13 Mar 10
However he's got his West Ham compensation and is looking for a new club so we live in hope.
ReadersWives
says...
11:27pm Sat 13 Mar 10
'Boothroyd out, Rodgers out, Mackay out.....'
By the same old myopic backstabbers.
Surrey Hornet
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11:31pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Also on the bright side, ticket prices may go down as well, so we may get a few more people into the ground.
Surrey Hornet
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11:36pm Sat 13 Mar 10
PurpleRalph wrote:Your right they can't afford him, heck they couldn't even afford me.
Alan Curbishley and Mervyn Day were in the directors box today. New Management team? - would be nice but unlikely. The wages required would be way off the Watford scale.
However he's got his West Ham compensation and is looking for a new club so we live in hope.
Richard - Come On You Golden Boys!
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11:39pm Sat 13 Mar 10
And the supporters? Cut the abuse, Get behind the whole team for 90 (+) minutes and save your boos until the final whistle (and you might not have to).
hornet4eva
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11:44pm Sat 13 Mar 10
security words-fire-when. so apt MM
cliff46
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11:45pm Sat 13 Mar 10
The only bright note is to see that TRICKY RICK has once again confirmed that he is without a shadow of doubt a moronic idiot.
There was only one Scully
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12:19am Sun 14 Mar 10
Tommy Mooney is a legend
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2:00am Sun 14 Mar 10
There was only one Scully wrote:Absolutely nothing to do with being a pessimist, it's about facing up to the reality of what lies in front of us - relegation. We can't win away for love nor money and now we can't win at home, or even score (or shoot). People boo because they know that with a management team who have half a clue of what they are doing would be doing 10 times better. This lot are miles out of their depth and if you can't see that and want to blindly clap your way through this s**t then everybody should be questioning your allegiance to the club as we are going in one direction only unless massive changes are made. People would lay off it somewhat if MM tried changing the team slightly, but either his arrogance or his ignorance prevents him from doing even that. Do you really think we'll bounce straight back up with this team minus the loan players? Oh, hang on we're not down yet, are we???? Tell me, where are the next 3 points coming from with this starting 11?
I've never heard such a bunch of tempermental wasters as the pessimists that scribe b**lo*ks on this website. Any novice coach has to learn and as in all areas of a new jobs you learn by making mistakes, wrong decisions etc. As I see it we dont have much choice we, are not a QPR who can chop and change bring in someone who can hopefully get us out of a mess. Get a grip you armchair and glory moaners this club does not deserve the boos that echoed around the ground. W**kers!
leavesdenorn
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7:32am Sun 14 Mar 10
Big question is would he take on that bunch of overpaid w*****s !!!!!!
watters84
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9:21am Sun 14 Mar 10
midland hornet
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9:34am Sun 14 Mar 10
garston edl
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9:37am Sun 14 Mar 10
Moving on to the game, MM comments post match - heard it all before, blame the ref, hardworking, camped in the half - keep digging that whole Malky. And for there's only one scully - what are you on about man? Who's an armchair fan? You MM is a novice with lots to learn - thats why we wont him out, cos he's got nish experience and he's NOT learning. Judging from his post match comments he's too thick to ever learn.
Buckstops
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9:48am Sun 14 Mar 10
4th bottom. Focus on that.
grahamwfc
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9:50am Sun 14 Mar 10
HODSON
BENNETT
TAYLOR
HARLEY
BUCKLEY
JENKINS
MCGINN
JENKINS
CLEVERLEY
HOSKINS
SUBS
MESSI
RONALDO
KAKA
FOSTER
CANNAVARO
AMBROSSINI
ROONEY
trouble is we would be one nil down with 5 minutes left before we brought on Amrossini
watters84
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10:23am Sun 14 Mar 10
hemels golden
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10:35am Sun 14 Mar 10
SimonW, Godalming
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10:49am Sun 14 Mar 10
Tommy Mooney is a legend wrote:Tommy Mooney that is a very good reply, word for word I would have to say I agree with every single one you have said, however your final question is somewhat impossible to answer, you should have asked a different one - like where is our next goal coming from??
There was only one Scully wrote: I've never heard such a bunch of tempermental wasters as the pessimists that scribe b**lo*ks on this website. Any novice coach has to learn and as in all areas of a new jobs you learn by making mistakes, wrong decisions etc. As I see it we dont have much choice we, are not a QPR who can chop and change bring in someone who can hopefully get us out of a mess. Get a grip you armchair and glory moaners this club does not deserve the boos that echoed around the ground. W**kers!Absolutely nothing to do with being a pessimist, it's about facing up to the reality of what lies in front of us - relegation. We can't win away for love nor money and now we can't win at home, or even score (or shoot). People boo because they know that with a management team who have half a clue of what they are doing would be doing 10 times better. This lot are miles out of their depth and if you can't see that and want to blindly clap your way through this s**t then everybody should be questioning your allegiance to the club as we are going in one direction only unless massive changes are made. People would lay off it somewhat if MM tried changing the team slightly, but either his arrogance or his ignorance prevents him from doing even that. Do you really think we'll bounce straight back up with this team minus the loan players? Oh, hang on we're not down yet, are we???? Tell me, where are the next 3 points coming from with this starting 11?
enlightened one
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11:15am Sun 14 Mar 10
rousman 2
says...
11:59am Sun 14 Mar 10
SimonW, Godalming wrote:Still not 100% fit, has not played a first team game since November, he maybe a good player but we neeed people who can play now you buy for the present in the January not for next season.
sorry, forgot one thing - WHERE THE HELL WAS BUCKLEY!!!!
Hornet Cornet
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11:59am Sun 14 Mar 10
HC
enlightened one
says...
2:32pm Sun 14 Mar 10
watfordal
says...
2:39pm Sun 14 Mar 10
wyldething1990
says...
4:50pm Sun 14 Mar 10
Prof Plum
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5:06pm Sun 14 Mar 10
Tricky Rick wrote:The atmosphere at Chateau Grim is more undermined by the fact that a high proportion of the crowd is made up of the kind of saddos with nothing better to do on a saturday evening than post anonymous bile on this website. We will not go down and Mackay will prove a very good manager - given time.
I have said all along that the appoinment of MM as manager was a monumental mistake and now this is becoming increasingly clear.
His dealings in the January transfer window - Taylor aside - have proven to be very costly. We needed to sign impact players instead of yet more inexperienced lads who warm the bench each week. As it is we are now left with a team with very little pace which has gone very stale and is now bereft of any confidence.
We must look to the emergency window for more striking options because this is where the major problems lie. H is not the answer, and Graham is so obviously out if his depth.
Tough decisions need to be made and fast but with GT at the helm this is unlikely. I unashamedly sang for Mackay to be sacked today and not one person objected. Anyone with a brain can see he has run out of ideas and has lost the dressing room.
Graham Taylor, you have done so much for this club, but you were part of the panel that appointed Mackay. If you have not got the guts to sack the manager, then please step down as chairman, otherwise you will be just as responsible for our impending relegation as Mackay.
I urge all fans who care about this club to vent their anger at the manager on Tuesday. WFC supporters have always been too loyal and no one man is bigger than the club. Mackay is not management material and unless you want to see a return to the lower divisions he MUST BE REMOVED! There is still time for a new management team to instill belief and discipline and turn this mess around.
Glen Roeder was shown the door after an equally dreadful run and he could claim to have been blighted by injuries. It is time for Mackay to go.
MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT MACKAY OUT!!!!
BTW - family day....when is the club going to grow some balls. I do not want to see push chairs and 4 year old girls at a football match. It is not an appropriate enviroment for young children....neither is it an appropriate environment for middle class softies and bleeding hear liberals who object to bad language....if you don't like it **** off!
4boys
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5:44pm Sun 14 Mar 10
What has happenend to Marriapa and Demerit, they are playing terrible
ab11uk
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7:04pm Sun 14 Mar 10
we lost against swansea?? the team are not good enough he should have the balls to say it. the team dont look bothered because he cant tell them they are rubbish. why did noone boo this lot off the pitch? the players clapping the fans after that are a disgrace. and as for the fans clapping back???
i presume they would clap someone if they stabbed them in the chest.
he has to go and if i read one word of him saying we were unlucky or the ref was poor(ref had the best game i have seen all season) he dont deserve to be here.
garston edl
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7:30pm Sun 14 Mar 10
luther blissett
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7:43pm Sun 14 Mar 10
This doesn't make me a happy clapper, just a realist who wants the best for my club.
Obviously team changes need to be made and all I can do is hope they happen on Tuesday.
If you see Ipswich played a 16 year old yesterday and guess what, he scored the winner!!!
Maybe time for Massey? Players that young play with no fear (and he has to be better than Henderson).
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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9:07pm Sun 14 Mar 10
luther blissett wrote:I agree with you. Its so bloody frustrating watching our team at the moment. I do not think, however, that the players do not care, as some people have suggested.
I am as upset at recent performances as the rest of you but we need to face facts, we can't afford to get rid of MM, so I am going to get behind him unlike most of you. This doesn't make me a happy clapper, just a realist who wants the best for my club. Obviously team changes need to be made and all I can do is hope they happen on Tuesday. If you see Ipswich played a 16 year old yesterday and guess what, he scored the winner!!! Maybe time for Massey? Players that young play with no fear (and he has to be better than Henderson).
I didn't boo the team off on saturday, but nor did I really applaud them.
I did see plenty of effort, sadly not so much apparently in the first half, however it took us to be behind before we woke up. But then, the ability to unlock their dogged defence was lacking. I can't be bothered to look at the stats, but I am fairly sure there are 4 main contributing factors in our drop in form:
1. Demerit not playing earlier in the season - when he was injured, we were doing fine. Time to try Mariappa/Bennett with Taylor in the centre I think and make someone else the captain.
2. Jenkins - when he was playing earlier in the season, we were doing well. Then he got injured and hasn't featured much since. Time for him to start with Jenkins and maybe drop Eustace, who has gone off the boil.
3. Hodson being dropped (since Taylor came in). Coincidence? I think we could benefit from his attacking play.
4. The Russo effect.
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I think getting the first goal is going to be crucial in the remaining fixtures as confidence is currently shot to pieces.
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I'll be there on tuesday and giving as much encouragement to the team as I can. We can be the 12th man when they need us the most. I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, and nor should anyone else.
There are a lot of people on here who don't appear to have the stomach for the fight.
Hornet Cornet
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9:38pm Sun 14 Mar 10
Kenfurphy
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9:45pm Sun 14 Mar 10
Its very difficult to fathom how a team that were playing so well only a couple of months ago have lost form at exactly the wrong time. MM has clearly made some mistakes and needs to make some changes to team selection. Sorry, but I can’t see how booing the team helps their performance. I have never heard of a team or a player’s performance improve as a result of booing. Wait until the end of the game if you want to show your displeasure.
I think LA will be influential if we are going to make a managerial change. I suspect GT will back MM; he knows what a difficult job MM has and was part of the selection panel. He should support him by getting an experienced person to add to MM’s backroom staff-even if it’s only a temporary basis. However, if LA thinks his investment, and the future share issue, will virtually evaporate with the threat of relegation he may well put pressure on GT and the Board to make a change. Not sure who we could get or afford who could turn things around quickly.
ReadersWives
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11:50pm Sun 14 Mar 10
It's looked more like an X File, complete with phantom goals, than a club at times.
Nevertheless, for the most part, we've always supported it - it's injuries became ours. What other club can boast such a passionate, intimate following? None, given our community awards if thats the measure.
So we have soul.
And while it's compelling to vent at MM, bear in mind he can only row with the oars he's got and in the ying yang universe of sport (which is why we love it) a bad run was inevitable.
Either we started poorly and improved or, worse, we got vice versa. It tastes bitter this way round as delusions have been crushed instead of expectations managed. Get over it.
Survival was always the priority and the play-offs a pipe dream. It would have been too early in reality anyway. We can agree on this at least.
So please calm down - we have much to look forward too. A promising, pioneering academy pregnant with talent, a new board thats in tune with each other and a manager who I'm sure is about to prove his metal as we have always done.
DO NOT GIVE UP NOW.
stuperman
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7:57am Mon 15 Mar 10
I noticed Alan Curbishley in the directors box on Saturday. Having an afternoon out maybe? Or perhaps he couldn't get a ticket at Stamford Bridge:-)
ab11uk
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8:22am Mon 15 Mar 10
do you float around kissing wasps and ballet dancing down the high st on a friday night thinking everything is great??
if the fans do not boo this team then it shows we accept this rubbish. I dont accept it and anyone who does must be on the happy pills wives is on. one guy on here actually said he applauded the team? I presume he would clap at a dead fox at the side of the road or at his paint drying poorly on the wall. This team are better than their position and the management clearly think that too. Malky's programme nots were nothing short of a disgrace..
he should have come out about 3 games ago and said these performancess are rubbish. he hasnt. excuse after excuse have these players so deluded that they clap the fans after losing to a team who have NEVER won away from home. some fans are so deluded they clapped back???
Malky Out. anyone else in.
ab11uk
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8:28am Mon 15 Mar 10
Im sorry but they tryed for about 15 mins this guy is a joke. excuses excuses. the two fouls were not penalties they were miles outside the box. and yes we did have one shot cleared off the line. however the team who have never won away from home in the championship hit the post twice the bar once and had our goalie diving all over the place.
he has to go. how can you protect the players after that rubbish.
Hornet Cornet
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9:13am Mon 15 Mar 10
worthing_hornet
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9:21am Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk
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9:32am Mon 15 Mar 10
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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10:04am Mon 15 Mar 10
Hornet Cornet wrote:As many as possible. And not just when things are going well.
12th man? how man 12th men do the watford players need exactly?
ab11uk
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10:37am Mon 15 Mar 10
oldgent
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12:50pm Mon 15 Mar 10
HH and Graham do not have lot of pace, we play to one mans strenghts, HH!! most of the 90 mins we miss out the midfield and play long, looking to pick up the 2nd ball in the oppo's final 3rd, teams are wise to this now and crowd the midfield area, thus making it difficult to get Hl and TC into the game..Its very difficult also when we have no ball playing full backs..hodson needs to be added, but left back is a big issue, doyley has no left foot and is always looking to cut back in to the centre, which then doesnt get TC invovled as much as he should, when doyley does this it makes the game very narrow, and with cowie and TC we should stretch the pitch and play and make the oppo work harder at full stretch.
Does MM have the tactical knowledge to change a game, from recent games no he doesnt!! Has he lost the dressing room only time will tell..
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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12:53pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk wrote:Who said anything about constantly clapping?
Yeah thats it the saviour for all our troubles. if we constantly clap our team they are bound to win. are you malky in disguise?
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The key point that so many people are missing is that booing players who are down on their luck and out of form is absolutely disgusting and drives a wedge bewteen the team and the fans.
By all means boo when we have spent loads of money and the team isn't performing (or trying), but for get it into your head that
we have spent relatively little on this team.
The way to deal with it is to offer encouragement to ensure the players do give 100%. That's not constantly clapping, it's something completely different. It's about driving the players on to believe they can do better.
Take Mariappa for example. Is he looking forward to the game tomorrow night? I doubt it, considering all he's going to get is a sh!t load of abuse when he has to go anywhere near the Rous.
How would you like it if you were at work and constantly criticised? I think you'd probably want to tell everyone to F*** off.
You have to remember that the players are human, just like the rest of us.
ab11uk
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1:08pm Mon 15 Mar 10
JonBoy
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1:16pm Mon 15 Mar 10
Being a family club, being part of the community is what binds us together and regardless of what league we are in it is something we should value.
worthing_hornet
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1:22pm Mon 15 Mar 10
herts hornet
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1:27pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ns ,a chance ,e.t.c e.t.c ,when was last time we scored a goal and actually won a game ,maybe fans have a right to challenge things ,i for have no problem with supporting players giving there all and supporting a management team prepared to change things when plan A fails , Even Rodgers learn't and was prepared to change his philosphy ,MM seems either incapable or too stubborn to admit he is wrong ,well MM the performances and results speak for themselves ,you have no no;2 who wil tell you as it is and does nothing but have a go at the fourth official ,you need an experienced no2 to support you and to learn of and tell you as it is ,or perhaps you think you know it all ,up to you if you do not change things i honestly think you will regret it and things will be changed for you ,walking out of ground Saturday it was very obvious if you have not lost the dressing room you have certainly lost the fans ! .
onlyonerodthomas
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1:30pm Mon 15 Mar 10
BoldenGoys
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1:44pm Mon 15 Mar 10
the sniper
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1:50pm Mon 15 Mar 10
stuperman
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2:01pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk
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2:22pm Mon 15 Mar 10
imuz
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2:29pm Mon 15 Mar 10
imuz
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2:30pm Mon 15 Mar 10
hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha
Tesco Dave
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2:36pm Mon 15 Mar 10
enlightened one
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2:37pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk wrote:Worst performance in about 10 years,you have got to be kidding.The level of comments on here is now plumbing depths to which even I couldn't imagine.Un-bloody-be
You dont have to be a footballing genius to see that saturday was the worst performance in about 10 years. and you didnt have to be a footballing genius to see we needed a centre back. However malky dont seem to recognise this? Seems like even the malky lovers are turning on him.
lievable,really it is.
sw: nice-cell . Time they found one for you ab,preferably of the padded kind.
ab11uk
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2:48pm Mon 15 Mar 10
enlightened one
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3:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk
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3:24pm Mon 15 Mar 10
you had a lot of people to feel sorry for maybe you should have set up a charity? aid the booers?
Prof Plum
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3:29pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk wrote:Get a life, mate
So your saying we should have cheered them off?? or done nothing and in essence not participated in the atmosphere at all and stood there like a zombie but making less noise?
you had a lot of people to feel sorry for maybe you should have set up a charity? aid the booers?
ab11uk
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3:35pm Mon 15 Mar 10
i have got a life its WATFORD FC.
and if you dont think that is a life then get the hell out of my club.
what a disgrace
Prof Plum
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3:43pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk wrote:That's quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever read on this increasingly ridiculous message board. You have my deepest sympathies and I hope you manage to turn things around for yourself soon.
PLUM,
i have got a life its WATFORD FC.
and if you dont think that is a life then get the hell out of my club.
what a disgrace
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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3:44pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk wrote:I doubt he is suggesting we cheer them off. That would be stupid and I am sure he ain't stupid.
So your saying we should have cheered them off?? or done nothing and in essence not participated in the atmosphere at all and stood there like a zombie but making less noise? you had a lot of people to feel sorry for maybe you should have set up a charity? aid the booers?
Booing doesn't help in the current situation, and that's the key phrase, "in the current situation."
So deal with the facts (you can re-read the last few months of reports from this site and many others to remind yourself of our position) and support your bloody team. I'm not sure you've got what it takes, however.
ab11uk
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3:46pm Mon 15 Mar 10
if you dont support the club why are you bothering to come on this forum? makes no sense.
and if we dont clap and if we dont boo. what do we do??????
imuz
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4:25pm Mon 15 Mar 10
michael furlong
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5:16pm Mon 15 Mar 10
SuperNova
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5:24pm Mon 15 Mar 10
I took my child to the game and ended up covering his ears.
Never ever again.
Tricky Rick
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7:34pm Mon 15 Mar 10
SuperNova wrote:Prat. A football match is not an appropriate environment for a young child. I bet you're one of these annoying tossers who bring small babies into pubs and resturaunts. A typical product of middle England who feels a god given right to take his offspring anywhere.
This thread says a lot more about the quality of our 'support' than the quality of the football being played.
I took my child to the game and ended up covering his ears.
Never ever again.
garston edl
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8:01pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ReadersWives
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8:02pm Mon 15 Mar 10
Tricky Rick wrote:Bet your a hard man Rick. Even your posts are ripped.
SuperNova wrote:Prat. A football match is not an appropriate environment for a young child. I bet you're one of these annoying tossers who bring small babies into pubs and resturaunts. A typical product of middle England who feels a god given right to take his offspring anywhere.
This thread says a lot more about the quality of our 'support' than the quality of the football being played.
I took my child to the game and ended up covering his ears.
Never ever again.
Belong to a gym, but only works on his upper torso. Then goes to the pub - every pub - and works on his gut that drags on the urine stained carpet from last night sesh.
'Wot u lookin at?' Real Geezaaaah our Dick. 55 pints, fartin n that. Not a prat and boy can he booooooo.
Parades his asbo outside Asda's, Thinks St Albans is a poof.
A typical product of welfare England.
The link that even Darwin wanted to miss.
Geeeezaaaaahhhhh!!*!
?!$
luther blissett
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9:19pm Mon 15 Mar 10
Tricky Rick wrote:Dick, can I ask at what age you started supporting Watford and when did you go to your first game?
SuperNova wrote:Prat. A football match is not an appropriate environment for a young child. I bet you're one of these annoying tossers who bring small babies into pubs and resturaunts. A typical product of middle England who feels a god given right to take his offspring anywhere.
This thread says a lot more about the quality of our 'support' than the quality of the football being played.
I took my child to the game and ended up covering his ears.
Never ever again.
Surely kids have to go a game at some point? Otherwise they would only see Man Utd or Chelsea on the telly and never support Watford.
Over the last few weeks everyone on here has despised you and just because a couple of people have agreed with your view for change, please don't think you have persuaded them, they are just frustrated with the team.
About time you stopped dragging your knuckles!!!
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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9:38pm Mon 15 Mar 10
ab11uk wrote:We've got to be mentally tough and get behind the team, not slag everone off the when things get tough. Therefore I think it's fair to question people's ability to "support" the team. I'm not sure some people are quite getting it. The players respond to stimulus in the same way we all do. GT himself said it last week, and I'm fairly sure he knows a thing or two about how to motivate people.
Plum if you dont support the club why are you bothering to come on this forum? makes no sense. and if we dont clap and if we dont boo. what do we do??????
Hornet Cornet
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10:22pm Mon 15 Mar 10
Chris the Vic
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10:39pm Mon 15 Mar 10
Interesting comment about route 1 and HH.
Truth is our pitch isnt very good but the away team can still play a modicum of football on it, unlike us, but Tuesday is another day so again we must get behind Malky and the team and hope for success, after all what else can we do? and 3 successive home defeats will be the death knell.
Goldenboy1960
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12:34am Tue 16 Mar 10
The fact is that the team are generally playing without confidence and when that happens it affects them individually and they get anxious wanting to do well and then they start snatching at things and making wrong decisions. Then their confidence gets even lower. Have any of you played in front of 15000 people plus and been got at in the manner that aidy mariappa was on Saturday. How would you feel? Do you know the pressure that brings? That boy is Watford through and through and nobody plays badly on purpose. Everyone can change this round if they stopped and thought. I honestly thought the Watford public were better than that but I'm starting to believe otherwise.
ab11uk
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8:42am Tue 16 Mar 10
we boo because the performance was awful, the team was awful and we lost to a team who had never won away! get a grip these players arnt babies and need to be told they are rubbish because the manager last saw his spine in the womb!
oldgent
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8:42am Tue 16 Mar 10
Loach
Hodson Demerit Taylor Dolyley
Eustace
Cleverley Landsbury Mcginn
Hoskins HH
imuz
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9:43am Tue 16 Mar 10
Elton Bog
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12:48pm Tue 16 Mar 10
!!
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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1:24pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Hornet Cornet wrote:If it makes me a muppet to believe that GT knows what he's talking about, then you must be having a little fun at my expense. If so, that's a good one.
Is that the same way that GT has obviously motivated MM? Muppet.
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You need to be tough mentally to support our current team. It looks like many people do not have what it takes, and would rather go off crying when we lose.
You need to rise above it a little.
ab11uk
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3:13pm Tue 16 Mar 10
may i suggest you are suffering from post east stand syndrome.
Dr.Oftaw
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3:16pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Prof Plum
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3:21pm Tue 16 Mar 10
imuz
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3:40pm Tue 16 Mar 10
mitch kings langley
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4:08pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Is Kings Langley middle of England enough?..If not i could move them to a nearer Work House!
Ps .. BOOO
Chris the Vic
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5:24pm Tue 16 Mar 10
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Hornet Cornet says...
5:21pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Sack Malky and get GT in. Sick of it all I am