Will Hoskins strike too little, too late for Hornets (From Watford Observer)
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Will Hoskins strike too little, too late for Hornets
5:16pm Saturday 27th February 2010 in
An efficient and effective display by Newcastle United saw them take another step back towards the Premier League with a 2-1 victory at Watford this afternoon.
Headers from Fabricio Coloccini and Andy Carroll at the start of each half put the visitors in the driving seat and, although the Hornets had plenty of possession and territory, they struggled to create chances until substitute Will Hoskins snatched a late consolation.
Malky Mackay made just the one enforced change from the controversial 2-2 draw at Scunthorpe United, with Jon Harley replacing the suspended Tom Cleverley.
But the visitors were in front inside four minutes when a free-kick from the left and level with the edge of the penalty area was not dealt with and Carroll headed back across goal for Coloccini to beat Scott Loach at his near post with a header from inside the six-yard box.
The Hornets responded well to the early setback – and had the majority of possession and territory – but struggled to create anything of note for the remainder of the opening period against the visitors’ organised defensive ranks.
Watford’s hopes of getting back into the contest were severely dented within five minutes of the restart when, from the visitors’ first corner of the match, Danny Guthrie clipped the ball towards the near post and Andy Carroll thumped a header past Loach.
The Hornets never gave up though, and their efforts were rewarded in injury-time when a Heidar Helguson shot appeared to be blocked by Kevin Nolan’s hand, but the ball broke nicely for Hoskins to confidently beat Steve Harper.
To read more about how the game unfolded, click here.
Watford: Loach; Mariappa, DeMerit, Taylor, Doyley; Cowie (McGinn, 83), Eustace, Lansbury, Harley (Hoskins, 77); Graham, Helguson. Not used: Jenkins, Lee, Henderson, Bryan and Hodson.
Newcastle United: Harper; Simpson, Williamson, Coloccini, Simpson, Van Aanholt; Guthrie (Pancrate, 89), Nolan, Smith, Gutierrez (R Taylor 87); Carroll, Best (Ranger, 74). Not used: Hall, Krul, Kadar and Donaldson.
Bookings: Graham for a foul on Coloccini after 17 mins; Best for a foul on DeMerit after 23 mins; Williamson for a foul on Helguson after 25 mins; Harley for a foul on Simpson after 43 mins; Nolan for a foul on Lansbury after 44 mins; Smith for a foul on Lansbury after 49 mins.
Referee: Tony Bates.
Comments(63)
Holly68
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6:44pm Sat 27 Feb 10
Holly68
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6:44pm Sat 27 Feb 10
Wags it all about?
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6:49pm Sat 27 Feb 10
Neither keeper had to break sweat and Newcastle were by far the better side. Mariappa had a shocker and w are lacking intent and creativity in the final third.
The subs bench sums up the lack of resources and would hardly scare the bottom three clubs in tyhe table.
Realistically, I would settle for 4th from bottom this term.
We need a clear out in the boardroom and a new majority shareholder. Winter you and your nodding dogs are a joke, also the hangers on that you allow to sponge off ther club.
Let me re-assure you, your time is soon coming to an end.
onlyonerodthomas
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6:50pm Sat 27 Feb 10
hogweed
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7:44pm Sat 27 Feb 10
Hog out
V-o-R
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8:13pm Sat 27 Feb 10
Do we have one?
MM attacking ideas lack the necessary fundamentals, If you don't shoot you don't score.
The change I was hoping for today was that WH would have replaced TC in the only change, clearly MM needs to get over himself and give this guy an opportunity now.
To do well in this league you need big physical players...i.e Newcastle and Stoke.
We're going nowhere under MM, which some of you are fine with for this term but for future years is simply not good enough.
MM should have learnt more under Aidy than what he has done!
the sniper
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8:44pm Sat 27 Feb 10
Derek Payne
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9:39pm Sat 27 Feb 10
We will finish about 12th, and remember L*ton lost to Crawley today - things could be much worse!
Forces Hornet
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9:57pm Sat 27 Feb 10
The league table doesn't lie and only 10 wins from 39 games is not very flattering. We now have 8 games to be played in March and 5 of them are against the bottom 9 teams.
Thats 24 points on offer and 5 (h) & 3 (a) the hornets have the chance to be safe come April. That is unless MM sorts out our strikers finishing in front of goal. How many times have we read this season about our poor finishing after dominating the game.
We all love to blame the ref and his assistants but week after week doesn't change the final score.
I personally feel it will be the players that keep the team up this season. We only gave MM a chance this season because of our financial situation, the board took a gamble. If he delivers then great for Watford but the criticism he is attracting and the mistakes he is making are not. The jury is out on MM lets hope he can handle the pressure and keep us up.
Surrey Hornet
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10:07pm Sat 27 Feb 10
hogweed wrote:Agree that we can't really blame the ref for the loss, but the ref and the linesman by the Rous stand weren't very good.
Poor. Really poor. Sh**te game as well. Was gonna type more but whats the point. Can't even blame the ref.
Hog out
We definitely missed Cleverley today and we are going to miss him in the other games he's suspended for.
Performance wasn't great today, but the result was probably fair considering Newcastle weren't great, its just that we can't defend.
Did anyone else notice that Williamson didn't celebrate Newcastle's first goal? Wonder if he regrets the manner in which he left now.
gef892
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10:34pm Sat 27 Feb 10
derry pigweed
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11:50pm Sat 27 Feb 10
gef892 wrote:Agree totally about Loach good shotstopper but lacking in all other areas of goalkeeeping
You dont win games with a forward line that wont or cant shoot and a goalkeper who at 6 feet 5 inches remains glued to his line. Both Newcastles goals were scored with headers no more than three yards out £3 million I think not.
SimonW, Godalming
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1:30am Sun 28 Feb 10
WFC4ever
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9:45am Sun 28 Feb 10
Just lacked pace and that spark....why not try more shots to get a bit of luck?
Poor marking for the 2 goals as well and there was some very sloppy passing when well placed.
BTW Your probably right HH but then that hasn't stopped Sir Alex and his team getting lots of decisions their way over the years.
FromDiv4
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10:18am Sun 28 Feb 10
And yes the ref was terrible and seemed to favour Newcastle, but I do not think any of his poor decisions affected the result.
N Joydegame
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10:29am Sun 28 Feb 10
Never mind blaming a poor ref or linesman, you can't win a game if you don't shot, and not one of our players yesterday made any attempt to get a shot at goal until we were 0-2 and the game was over. Tippy tappy rubbish for 90 minutes. Someone has to take a chance to shot at goal.
MM - shooting practice all week please.
herts hornet
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10:29am Sun 28 Feb 10
WFC4ever wrote:yes but this is MM and Dyche NOT SIR ALEX and that is the point, they may take it from Sir Alex but will not take it from nobodys in there eyes like MM and Dyche !
We did a lot of huffing around trying to look good on the ball (pudding of a ptcih) but really Newcastle held us out pretty well as they probably ought to with some of the players they have compared to the team we have. Just lacked pace and that spark....why not try more shots to get a bit of luck? Poor marking for the 2 goals as well and there was some very sloppy passing when well placed. BTW Your probably right HH but then that hasn't stopped Sir Alex and his team getting lots of decisions their way over the years.
Sir Alex gets the decisions WE are getting NOTHING that is why i say we need experience in the dugout ,interesting that despite strong competition to get Martin Taylor we got him AND Graham Taylor was a massive part played in that decison if you ask me ,would Martin have signed if it was just MM trying to persuade him personally i think not THAT is why you need respected experienced people in and around the first team !
maybe just maybe an experienced head, not a yes man like Dyche ,would shake MM in to realising and seeing what most of us can see in that Hoskins can score goals ,is a goal poacher has pace and is annoying to BIG centre halfs ,remember how Mike Williamson struggled playing for us when he was up against nippy little forwards and looked what happened yesterday when FINALLY !! he was brought on shockingly to late AGAIN
Hornet73
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10:31am Sun 28 Feb 10
Keep the faith!
henry
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10:34am Sun 28 Feb 10
Tactically, Newcastle fouled us in midfield away from danger every time we threatened a breakaway, played us offside intelligently, used the wings, played long above the plough furrows, outjumped us in attack and defence. We kept at it but did not deserve anything from the match.
Have posted before on the finishing - think back to the start of 2008 - 9 season when the players were 'scoring for fun' and the coaching was focussed on this area. If Martin Taylor cannot jump Loachy will have to come out and punch. We need a winger on the pitch to use the flanks effectively and get some decent crosses over....
Berko Horn
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11:03am Sun 28 Feb 10
Today we were like the wolf trying to blow down the brick house. We can huff and puff as much as we like, but without more guile, we will not achieve our objective. Helguson is good in the air, but best from crosses, not long balls from deep. Without the skill of Cleverly, or a winger who can get round the back, or a full back who can cross consistently, he has less impact.
Interesting to see Anthony MacNamee making Norwich's goal yesterday! Any chance of Portsmouth saving a few bob by letting us have Tommy Smith for a few games- might be the right time to ask?
The next few games will decide if we will struggle for the rest of the season, or not. We will need to be sharper all over the field to win either of the next two.
WFC4ever
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11:03am Sun 28 Feb 10
Great chance to make such a quick impace but instead he makes himself look silly.
Still at least the lad was in the area pushing for a goal and he also tracked back.
john the greek
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11:24am Sun 28 Feb 10
I dont understand why Michael Bryan isnt given an opportunity to beat someone and get a cross in.
yellowredblack
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11:50am Sun 28 Feb 10
lbon
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3:07pm Sun 28 Feb 10
But if nothing else, stop making extremely negative comments about the youngsters who play int he team, we have very few options and we need them full of confidence.
Hornet73
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3:12pm Sun 28 Feb 10
WFC4ever
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3:38pm Sun 28 Feb 10
Hornet73 wrote:These posts are nothing compared to what Rick has to say..I am shocked he hasn't been on!
Very well put -our negative so callerd fans need to wake up and enter the real world!
Hope he is ok...
Wat Next
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4:03pm Sun 28 Feb 10
Wags it all about? wrote:Thank the Lord for the last couple of comments! Criticise poor performances constructively as some do is fine but lets get real. Genuine fans are very realistic about our situation and recognise the football served up this season as the best we've had in a long time. It's great to see Watford being Watford again. We are never going to be world beaters and at least we have honest and trustworthy leadership now with GT at the helm. There is a small band of negative detractors breeding off the detiorating Observer tacky tabloid jouralism. We all know they are the henchmen of the little bullies who sickeningly tried to destroy the club last year so lets not worry about these terrorists and get on supporting this young team. Wag's it all about, Herts Hornet, Holly 68 you certainly have a lot to say. Where on earth were you when the Fans Forum took place last week. Surely you should have been in the front row calling for the heads of GT, MM and the rest of the Board???????? Cowards!
Have just returned from the game and yes it was a poor performance. Neither keeper had to break sweat and Newcastle were by far the better side. Mariappa had a shocker and w are lacking intent and creativity in the final third. The subs bench sums up the lack of resources and would hardly scare the bottom three clubs in tyhe table. Realistically, I would settle for 4th from bottom this term. We need a clear out in the boardroom and a new majority shareholder. Winter you and your nodding dogs are a joke, also the hangers on that you allow to sponge off ther club. Let me re-assure you, your time is soon coming to an end.
Itsacockup
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7:22pm Sun 28 Feb 10
Wags it all about?
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7:54pm Sun 28 Feb 10
Wat Next you are clearly a naive and delluded supporter - just the type this regime love to exploit.
You want constructive do you? Well for starters perhaps you should accept that other posters on this forum are actually allowed to have their own opinions outside of the club PR drivel.
What exactly is the point of attending a non-event fans forum?
The incompetents currently 'running' the club sit there smugly CONGRATUALATING each other on a job well done in difficult circumstances etc etc. Laughable of course and 100% lacking in any credibility.
Until the controlling interest of the plc is settled this 'watford way' babble spouted by the incompetent Winter at the AGM will fool no one - except of course for his nodding dogs, hangers on and brainless wonders like you Wat Next.
Chris the Vic
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8:43pm Sun 28 Feb 10
We were against the team at the top of the table who will be champions. They were better in most departments and we were without our best player.
They get 40000 home attendance and ours is less than half. Even though they treat their owner badly he puts money in and the lowest paid player in their squad will earn more than our top paid player and more than likely more than our top two players.
The ref was OK but the treatment of Lansbury by smith left a little to be desired...but no complaints Smith almost sorted out Willo much to our amusement.
Malky is not a finished product but like the team he does his best, against a lesser team and with Cleverley playing we will win a few more home games, finish midway.
For those who dont think that is good enough, lets see your money if not you know where the door is...go support Spurs or the Gunners because your expectations far outweigh any realistic expectation. At the start of the season most of us would have taken survival and we are doing a bit better.
As for your comments Herts Hornet remind me how many games Hoskins has played and how many goals he has scored. If he was half the player you crack him up to be he would start every game. Will people like you ever learn
TheBestTrip
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8:47pm Sun 28 Feb 10
N Joydegame
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8:58pm Sun 28 Feb 10
It's all very well you telling those supporters to go and support those other teams BUT if they did, then you'd be turning the lights out. Your 12-14000 support would dwindle to 2-3000 and you'd be heading for the Conference with the scum.
You make some good points but lose it by insulting others whose opinions differ but still count.
Wat Next
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9:09pm Sun 28 Feb 10
Wags it all about?
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10:59pm Sun 28 Feb 10
We are all welcome to an opinion.
That said based on your difficulty in grasping my comments re the non-event agm, it is best we agree to disagree.
BuRP
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2:52am Mon 1 Mar 10
In my opinion a lot of fans are being more realistic than maybe they used to be. Basically saying 'Yeah we're not great but a better team than some on the field and in a better state off it for now'. And that's where I am. How come teams with a better fan base and spent more money that us are behind us? Who cares but the league table doesn't lie. So you can whinge all you like but there are teams worse than ours who are probably going down. Would that make you feel better that it's not going to be Watford? I wonder at the start of the season where some of these people expected Watford to be at the end of the season. Not sure we hear from Wags when we haven't lost for a few games. That might tell us something?
Wags - do you want to respond?
stuperman
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7:43am Mon 1 Mar 10
Quite how MM could say (on BBC1) that we "dominated" on Saturday, I do not know! I must've been at a different game. When they attacked they always looked dangerous, when we went forward we looked half-hearted.
Best header of a ball in the Championship and he doesn't get a cross! Two new full backs required methinks. And no doubt most of us could go on and on.
Just because it's Watford, does that mean we have to be satisfied with mediocre? I'm beginning to think so.
hornet4eva
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7:52am Mon 1 Mar 10
uk
Chris the Vic
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8:31am Mon 1 Mar 10
N Joydegame wrote:You are right with regard to the insults but those who truly support the club understand the ongoing problems a selling club have, let alone the chaos ensuing from Homer's reign.
Chris the Vic, It's all very well you telling those supporters to go and support those other teams BUT if they did, then you'd be turning the lights out. Your 12-14000 support would dwindle to 2-3000 and you'd be heading for the Conference with the scum. You make some good points but lose it by insulting others whose opinions differ but still count.
I am not sure our support would in fact dwindle..it might even grow if we had less moaners at Vicarage Road!
Many of our fans do reflect the tabloid press. Quick to praise and even quicker to knock down and Malky is a good man and deserves better than some of the knocks he gets from so called supporters.
Wat Next
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9:24am Mon 1 Mar 10
Wags it all about? wrote:Differing views are what this game is all about. Criticism is fine. My issue with the comments from yourself, Herts Hornet, Holly 68 etc are that your criticism is destructive rather than constructive. You are welcome to an opinion you just fail to ever back it up. You mention now the agm was a non-event or are you confusing that with the fans forum? Of course i have difficulty in grasping your comments because you fail to add any substance. Why did you not go to the fans forum to tell everyone what GT, MM and the board are doing that is so wrong?
Wat Next, if you've followed my posts and those of others with different views to yours you would know they are not full of spin as you suggest. We are all welcome to an opinion. That said based on your difficulty in grasping my comments re the non-event agm, it is best we agree to disagree.
enlightened one
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9:27am Mon 1 Mar 10
eventually.
Wags it all about?
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9:33am Mon 1 Mar 10
Those that follow this forum regularly will know I am a regular contributor and do not dip in a la 'p.rick' holden when the team perform badly.
As has been stated previously my expectations this term were to realistically avoid relegation - thanks to the horror show of the simpson/ashton/booth
royd legacy, underpinned of course by the blessing of Lord Ashcroft.
I'm pleased we have performed better than expected, and will be delighted to retain our status this season.
This does not mean however as a paying fan I am not entitled to my opinion of saturdays game.
My concerns are with the majority shareholders of the plc, principally the now invisible man simpson and non sports tax exile of Belize Ashcroft.
Coupled to this is the 'quality'of the current management team which I see as dead men walking, nodding dogs taking their crust thank you very much until the inevitable clear out occurs post new ownership.
Ultimately, our on the pitch fortunes can only improve once financial stability is obtained - a far cry form the drivel being spouted by the 'nutty proffessor templeton and his fellow directors, Winter the ashton appointed joke of a CEO and his co-horts.
Wags it all about?
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9:50am Mon 1 Mar 10
Wat Next wrote:Wat Next you seem to have difficulty in people having independent views of the club's pr drivel and it's current management.
Wags it all about? wrote: Wat Next, if you've followed my posts and those of others with different views to yours you would know they are not full of spin as you suggest. We are all welcome to an opinion. That said based on your difficulty in grasping my comments re the non-event agm, it is best we agree to disagree.Differing views are what this game is all about. Criticism is fine. My issue with the comments from yourself, Herts Hornet, Holly 68 etc are that your criticism is destructive rather than constructive. You are welcome to an opinion you just fail to ever back it up. You mention now the agm was a non-event or are you confusing that with the fans forum? Of course i have difficulty in grasping your comments because you fail to add any substance. Why did you not go to the fans forum to tell everyone what GT, MM and the board are doing that is so wrong?
Look a little further than your nose and you will discover there are other balanced people who do not consider the views of the posters mentioned as destructive.
It was late last night and I clearly meant the non event of a fans forum as previously mentioned - if this oversight is the best you can do I rest my case.
You keep asking for substance yet many have forecast accurately the demise of the club over the past few years - including Olli Phillips, or is he perhaps too destructive for you.
You come accross as very naive, turning up to a forum full, of nodding dogsat the top table will achieve what exaxctly? Their time will be up soon... Keep watching you might catch up eventually.
As I've said before, lets agree to disagree as it is clearly rather futile continuing a debate with you.
garston edl
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10:11am Mon 1 Mar 10
What has happened to our support? Never the most vocal but its been appalling recently. A few "yellow army" and "the best trip i've been on" sung by 20 kids at the back of teh Rookery is the best we seem to manage these days! I remember when we used to get crowds of 7-10k but the North stand used to make a good noise.
Wat Next
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10:39am Mon 1 Mar 10
Wags it all about? wrote:Wags - like you i have no interest in keeping this debate open. We both have opinion and are both fully entitled to these opinions so am prepared to amicably agree to disagree as we all have work to do!You do have more spin though than Ashton in his prime!! I wasn't at the forum but listened on the radio and thought integrity shone through. Now that might make me a nodding dog but having put up with the mess of Simpson/Ashton and the scandelous Russo regime i am more than happy to have a man of proven integrity in GT leading the club. Before signing off i would just please ask, for the sake of myself and all the other idiots on here, that you EXPLAIN why GT cannot be trusted. Stop hiding behind your naive drivel about shareholder changes. We all agree that this club needs an owner who wants to invest money (not take it out like Russo and Simpson) and i think the best pathway to achieve that is having an educated and trustworthy board picking up the pieces of the devastating administration PR. We are surely better off with a billionaire shareholder who is underwriting the club with shares as opposed to greedy ego-driven owners who are purely here for a joyride whilst pilfering the cash as we had with the last two regimes. By the way - i wish Oli Phillips had bothered to write more insightful articles while the clubs was in the wrong hands. He is a journalist that Watford supporters trust and his eye opening account of how wrong the Russo's were for this club and how the Simpson regime went up in smoke were perfectly written if a little bit late to arrest the damage in some cases. One thing we both agree on - Bring him back!!
Wat Next wrote:Wat Next you seem to have difficulty in people having independent views of the club's pr drivel and it's current management. Look a little further than your nose and you will discover there are other balanced people who do not consider the views of the posters mentioned as destructive. It was late last night and I clearly meant the non event of a fans forum as previously mentioned - if this oversight is the best you can do I rest my case. You keep asking for substance yet many have forecast accurately the demise of the club over the past few years - including Olli Phillips, or is he perhaps too destructive for you. You come accross as very naive, turning up to a forum full, of nodding dogsat the top table will achieve what exaxctly? Their time will be up soon... Keep watching you might catch up eventually. As I've said before, lets agree to disagree as it is clearly rather futile continuing a debate with you.Wags it all about? wrote: Wat Next, if you've followed my posts and those of others with different views to yours you would know they are not full of spin as you suggest. We are all welcome to an opinion. That said based on your difficulty in grasping my comments re the non-event agm, it is best we agree to disagree.Differing views are what this game is all about. Criticism is fine. My issue with the comments from yourself, Herts Hornet, Holly 68 etc are that your criticism is destructive rather than constructive. You are welcome to an opinion you just fail to ever back it up. You mention now the agm was a non-event or are you confusing that with the fans forum? Of course i have difficulty in grasping your comments because you fail to add any substance. Why did you not go to the fans forum to tell everyone what GT, MM and the board are doing that is so wrong?
WFC4ever
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10:47am Mon 1 Mar 10
garston edl wrote:We really do only sing when the team is playing well or winning..
Team was poor, management was poor, Watford support vocally very poor! What has happened to our support? Never the most vocal but its been appalling recently. A few "yellow army" and "the best trip i've been on" sung by 20 kids at the back of teh Rookery is the best we seem to manage these days! I remember when we used to get crowds of 7-10k but the North stand used to make a good noise.
Ofcourse we don't what abusive/personal insults being chanted but a good atmosphere might help the team in a difficult match situation.
On the other hand we don't boo the team off as the first sight of the team not quite performing which is good and give our players a chance (well most of us anyway!)
As for off the club issues...well lets just hope the next investor if we do get one actually does have some interest and feeling for the club rather than worrying about his own "profile" (as put by GT when talking about Lord Ashcroft) or their own egos.
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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11:48am Mon 1 Mar 10
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As for saturday, yes it was poor, Newcastle were always in control, but to be expected due to their squad. Their left back has 30 international caps for Argentina. That's Argentina, not Antiga.
The crowd was quiet (too many one off fans at the game).
Would like to see us shoot a little more, agreed.
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I , for one, am enjoying this season 100 times more than the season we got in the playoffs under Hoofroyd.
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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12:03pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Mackay and Dyche were probably berating the ref and lino as they did absolutely nothing about their persistent time wasting. I'm not talking about in the last 20 minutes, but right from the start.
Their keeper was continually holding onto the ball for 13/14/15 seconds. The law states 6.
It was this slowing of the game that contributed to the poor spectacle.
The ref did nothing.
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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12:03pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Mackay and Dyche were probably berating the ref and lino as they did absolutely nothing about their persistent time wasting. I'm not talking about in the last 20 minutes, but right from the start.
Their keeper was continually holding onto the ball for 13/14/15 seconds. The law states 6.
It was this slowing of the game that contributed to the poor spectacle.
The ref did nothing.
hogweed
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12:12pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Hog out
Prof Plum
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12:42pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Wat Next wrote:Keep going you two - the first one to bore the other to death wins
Wags it all about? wrote:Wags - like you i have no interest in keeping this debate open. We both have opinion and are both fully entitled to these opinions so am prepared to amicably agree to disagree as we all have work to do!You do have more spin though than Ashton in his prime!! I wasn't at the forum but listened on the radio and thought integrity shone through. Now that might make me a nodding dog but having put up with the mess of Simpson/Ashton and the scandelous Russo regime i am more than happy to have a man of proven integrity in GT leading the club. Before signing off i would just please ask, for the sake of myself and all the other idiots on here, that you EXPLAIN why GT cannot be trusted. Stop hiding behind your naive drivel about shareholder changes. We all agree that this club needs an owner who wants to invest money (not take it out like Russo and Simpson) and i think the best pathway to achieve that is having an educated and trustworthy board picking up the pieces of the devastating administration PR. We are surely better off with a billionaire shareholder who is underwriting the club with shares as opposed to greedy ego-driven owners who are purely here for a joyride whilst pilfering the cash as we had with the last two regimes. By the way - i wish Oli Phillips had bothered to write more insightful articles while the clubs was in the wrong hands. He is a journalist that Watford supporters trust and his eye opening account of how wrong the Russo's were for this club and how the Simpson regime went up in smoke were perfectly written if a little bit late to arrest the damage in some cases. One thing we both agree on - Bring him back!!
Wat Next wrote:Wat Next you seem to have difficulty in people having independent views of the club's pr drivel and it's current management. Look a little further than your nose and you will discover there are other balanced people who do not consider the views of the posters mentioned as destructive. It was late last night and I clearly meant the non event of a fans forum as previously mentioned - if this oversight is the best you can do I rest my case. You keep asking for substance yet many have forecast accurately the demise of the club over the past few years - including Olli Phillips, or is he perhaps too destructive for you. You come accross as very naive, turning up to a forum full, of nodding dogsat the top table will achieve what exaxctly? Their time will be up soon... Keep watching you might catch up eventually. As I've said before, lets agree to disagree as it is clearly rather futile continuing a debate with you.Wags it all about? wrote: Wat Next, if you've followed my posts and those of others with different views to yours you would know they are not full of spin as you suggest. We are all welcome to an opinion. That said based on your difficulty in grasping my comments re the non-event agm, it is best we agree to disagree.Differing views are what this game is all about. Criticism is fine. My issue with the comments from yourself, Herts Hornet, Holly 68 etc are that your criticism is destructive rather than constructive. You are welcome to an opinion you just fail to ever back it up. You mention now the agm was a non-event or are you confusing that with the fans forum? Of course i have difficulty in grasping your comments because you fail to add any substance. Why did you not go to the fans forum to tell everyone what GT, MM and the board are doing that is so wrong?
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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12:56pm Mon 1 Mar 10
hogweed wrote:Sometimes it pays to stick up for your players. On this occasion I think he's right to do so and so I think the psychology is spot on. They all put in a hard shift on saturday.
Just heard MM interview on BBC. Said we dominated the game and the players were excellent. Man's an oaf. Hog out
garston edl
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1:14pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Interesting debate on the bbc 606 watford website about this.
lbon
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2:10pm Mon 1 Mar 10
If some of you were chairman of the club we would have 7 or 8 new managers a year. That was my point, you need to have a touch of reality and look at the bigger picture. think for a 1st season and bearing in mind who he had to sell and the budget offered to him MM has done a good job and in some games (not all) produced good football. And no doubt we'd be one of the favourites to go down but we currently sit just below mid-table.
I'm really hopeful that in 3 - 4 years time we will bear the fruit of the Harefield accademy. I hope we can continue with this scheme...
WatfordRuss
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3:01pm Mon 1 Mar 10
N Joydegame
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4:01pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Graham Taylor commented on a number of occasions how much more professional every thing is these days compared to when he managed. Listen to the answer he gave over player recruitment. That's from someone 100% committed to the WFC cause, and we should all be thankful for that. MM is a top man learning his trade and we should all be supporting a manager who's team has played some of the best football seen at the Vic for years. Just a pity they don't shoot enough!!
LD forever
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4:35pm Mon 1 Mar 10
imuz
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4:49pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Feff
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7:12pm Mon 1 Mar 10
WFC4ever
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7:36pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Feff wrote:I am not sure because before you've been quite positive but are you being sarcastic?
We have three Under 21 internationals - Loach and the two on loan players, Cleverley and Lansbury. We have two full internationals - Helguson and Demerit. We have another young Scottish international, Cowie. Eustace, Taylor and Harley are highly experiened players. Jenkins may well have won some sort of English honour or other. This only leaves Doyley, Graham and Mariappa without anything to boast about! Why, then, is the team doing so dismally? Is it because of MM? Or perhaps SD? I'd excuse the former (just) and replace the latter with someone who knows what he's at!
Wags it all about?
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8:00pm Mon 1 Mar 10
I have tried to make it relatively simple for you in my previous two posts but clearly we are not on the same wave length.
Again I'm rather confused by your misguided and inaccurate comments.
Firstly, you might need to go to specsavers cos nowhere in the latest analysis by Oli Phillips did he conclude the Russo's were the bad guys. On the contrary he publicly states his unease at the fact we are owned by a mysterious tax exile who has no passion for sport - let alone football.
You are a little dim if I may say, to suggest 'we are better off' with Ashcroft the billionaire. He is not going to put ONE penny more than is absoloutely essential to protect his investment - so forget stadium development, players transfers ETC and WAKE UP.
He was embarassed by the Russo's through his own incompetence and neglect - demonstrated in bundles supporting for a few years the disastrous regime of ashton/simpson/boofr
oyd that even you seem to recognise.
He was forced to come in at the last minute to PROTECT his investment - saving the club from admin is a line for dummies like you to so easily digest.
Going back to specsavers, where have I ever said GT is not a man of integrity? He achieved great things for us over the years but sadly like Oli Phillips has commented and indeed other informed observers, boardroom business is not GT's strong card - as he himself has admitted.
I beleive GT will regret his knee-jerk comments towards the Russo's and I'm sorry to tell you his 'looking in to the eyes of Ashcroft' and re-assuring us all is OK is pure fantasy.
Naturally no specifics publicised re the discussions with Ashcrof and GT -against 'AIM rules' etc etc.
Rather in tune with the 'transparent' affairs of our majorshareholder that today the national media have once again latched on to - but clearly not you Wat Next.
Must sign off now before the death by 'forum boredom' becomes a reality. Keep nodding...
Wat Next
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9:55am Tue 2 Mar 10
Wags it all about? wrote:Certianly nodding now - nodding off that is with the boring diatribe you put together as part of the famous Russo propoganda spin machine. I think you need to re-assess the Oli Phillips articles dear boy as he quite clearly declares them as neither fit or proper no matter how much they may have leant on him during the other failed regime. You clearly haven't met GT if you believe him not to be up to the boardroom games - a more shrewd man you couldn't wish to be in pole position for this club right now. As stated before - i, like you, believe new ownership is vital for our club. I'm sure we all hope and prey the next owner wants the very best for this club. Ashcroft isn't the future that is for sure but at least he's had the guts to admit he isn't in it for the long term and in the meantime has protected the club whether that be to protect his investment or not. I would assume even a thicko could see it would have been cheaper for him to walk away rather than INVEST more money as he is doing. The Russo's did nothing in their failed year in charge. They claim to have saved the club numerous times but how could that be? All they did was put loans in whist jollying round with all their hangers on to see Elton and Mouriniho and then scouting in Argentina!!! Do us a favour. A real owner with real guts backs his horse long term and doesn't try to cut it's legs off while riding it. 'Forum Boredom' over. We've both had our opinion - yours seem a trite loaded so be on your way nodding pitbull!!!!
Wat Next - To humour the likes of prof plum and perhaps even create the first death by 'forum boredom' I will respond for the 3rd and final time as a famous tv show host might say. I have tried to make it relatively simple for you in my previous two posts but clearly we are not on the same wave length. Again I'm rather confused by your misguided and inaccurate comments. Firstly, you might need to go to specsavers cos nowhere in the latest analysis by Oli Phillips did he conclude the Russo's were the bad guys. On the contrary he publicly states his unease at the fact we are owned by a mysterious tax exile who has no passion for sport - let alone football. You are a little dim if I may say, to suggest 'we are better off' with Ashcroft the billionaire. He is not going to put ONE penny more than is absoloutely essential to protect his investment - so forget stadium development, players transfers ETC and WAKE UP. He was embarassed by the Russo's through his own incompetence and neglect - demonstrated in bundles supporting for a few years the disastrous regime of ashton/simpson/boofr oyd that even you seem to recognise. He was forced to come in at the last minute to PROTECT his investment - saving the club from admin is a line for dummies like you to so easily digest. Going back to specsavers, where have I ever said GT is not a man of integrity? He achieved great things for us over the years but sadly like Oli Phillips has commented and indeed other informed observers, boardroom business is not GT's strong card - as he himself has admitted. I beleive GT will regret his knee-jerk comments towards the Russo's and I'm sorry to tell you his 'looking in to the eyes of Ashcroft' and re-assuring us all is OK is pure fantasy. Naturally no specifics publicised re the discussions with Ashcrof and GT -against 'AIM rules' etc etc. Rather in tune with the 'transparent' affairs of our majorshareholder that today the national media have once again latched on to - but clearly not you Wat Next. Must sign off now before the death by 'forum boredom' becomes a reality. Keep nodding...
V-o-R
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10:36am Tue 2 Mar 10
What many forget is that under JR we did have an interested investor but they chose to take down the 'For sale' sign and simply weren't bothered, they were in it for their own ill gotten gains for some reason or other.......
I reckon "Small Man Syndrome" played a part!!
I had warned before they ousted 'The Old Silver Fox'
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herts hornet says...
6:17pm Sat 27 Feb 10
MM says on 3cr we dominated game well that is laughable Newcastle had it easy There goalkeeper has had easiest afternoon all season ! Time to wake up much more poor results and we will very quickly get sucked into relegation trouble ,i think Dyche should be sent back to reserves and a cooler more experienced assistant manager be in the dugout
And Mr Winter stop messing around talking to Saracens and get some decisions made and money spent on that PITCH it is a disgrace and totally lessons impact of our home advantage ,as we saw today stick giants in team hit it long and get set pieces right and it is easy to score against us .