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Hornets chief's questions and answers give inside track on financial turmoil


Following the dramatic events of Watford Leisure’s annual meeting, the ensuing spectre of administration hanging over the Hornets and Lord Ashcroft’s package to stave off that threat, chief executive Julian Winter explains how a traumatic period in the club’s history unfolded and what the future now holds at Vicarage Road.

Can you explain what happened to the financial position of the club over the past few weeks and where we are now?

Winter: “For me, and all of the board and staff at the club, the past few months have been very difficult. On the one hand we have had a very positive season so far on the field but behind the scenes the club has continued to have the well documented cash flow problems. During 2009 the board, led by chairman Jimmy Russo, needed short term cash injections to stay afloat and ultimately this money came from player trading and loans from Valley Grown Salads (VGS). By December VGS had loaned £4.88m to the club and had securitised their loans against the stadium and made the loan capable of being called in “on demand”.

“As we know the VGS representatives on the board resigned at the start of our annual meeting (AGM) on December 15 and promptly demanded repayment of their loan by 1pm on Thursday, December 17 2009. The company was never going to be in a position to repay the loan in such a short space of time and so we faced the real prospect of administration. Fortunately, Lord Ashcroft intervened, through Fordwat Limited, to pay VGS their loans in full to stop Watford FC being placed into administration and the team being docked ten points.

“Moving forward Fordwat have offered to underwrite a rights issue during the early part of 2010 to raise some £7.5m for the company. It is intended that this will repay Fordwat their loan, provide some working capital for the business and also afford the board the breathing space to continue to implement our long term business plan, ‘The Watford Way’, and progress the sourcing of a longer term investment and/or ownership for the club.”

How close was Watford Leisure from going into administration?

Winter: “To put it bluntly, we were hours away. VGS had filed their notice of intention to appoint an administrator at the High Court late on Thursday, December 17. If the matter had not been settled by 4pm on Monday, December 21 VGS had the power to appoint an administrator.”

What happened in the period between the AGM and the loan being repaid?

Winter: “To start with I think it is right to state that I, along with the rest of the remaining directors, was very surprised by the actions of VGS at the AGM. I have seen a number of interviews subsequently in which Jimmy has given his reasons for resigning. My focus, and its one I know the other directors share, is doing what is right for Watford Football Club. I personally found it difficult to see how resigning in such a dramatic way and the calling in of the loans squares with doing what is best for the club.

“The days which followed the AGM were quite simply the toughest that I have faced at the club. We did not have £4.88m available to repay VGS within their deadline and so we needed to find an appropriate solution and quickly. After the AGM, a proposal from Fordwat Limited to underwrite a rights issue had been presented to the board and the non-executive directors and I agreed that this offered the best solution at the time for both repaying VGS and also injecting the much needed working capital into the business. Following the AGM we asked VGS not to put the company into administration, informed them of Fordwat Limited’s offer to underwrite a rights issue and pointed out that if we were given the time to implement this they would receive their money back upon the completion of the rights issue.

“That evening VGS made a very public rejection of our offer so we had until 4pm on the following Monday to find an appropriate solution and in the end I must thank Lord Ashcroft for saving our club from administration. Administration would have been catastrophic for the team, the staff, our Community Trust, our relationship with the Harefield Academy, our local suppliers and dedicated fans “We made a further proposal to VGS on the Friday afternoon, informing them that Fordwat Limited would repay the loans in full over a two-week timeframe. I was slightly taken back, albeit delighted to see that Jimmy Russo again went public to state he was accepting the offer and that he never wanted to put the club into administration. The reality though was that as we entered the Monday, administration was still a real threat.”

Do you believe the Russos would have put the company into administration?

Winter: “Thankfully, we will never know if VGS actually would have pressed the button. What I will say is that despite all the public announcements stating their desire not to put Watford into administration, that their actions via their lawyer signalled something different.”

For you personally what was that period like?

Winter: “A number of words spring to mind including, anger, frustration, draining but ultimately I found the whole process so unnecessary. Those few days following the AGM were very tough and my responsibility was for the club and the staff who work so hard for Watford FC. Being in the office over those days with the real threat of administration hanging over us was challenging for all.

“I must pay tribute to all the staff for the professional way in which they conducted themselves, not only in the last few weeks but throughout what has been an incredibly hard year. I would like to thank all the staff and my fellow board members, including our interim chairman Graham Taylor, for their dedication to Watford Football Club. I would also like to thank our manager Malky Mackay for the way in which he handled the situation in the glare of a huge amount of media attention along with his staff and players who have never waivered from the task on the field.

“I would also like to mention the steadfast support of our professional advisors; Guy Thomas of our solicitors SA Law LLP, Paul McGoohan of Square1 Consulting and Rory Murphy of Strand Hanson. Finally, I would also like to praise Barclays for their ongoing support during this challenging time.”

Prior to the AGM, the company’s cash flow problems were well known. What was being done to find a solution to these and what will happen now?

Winter: “I think it is important to inform all of the club’s supporters of what was happening behind the scenes in the run up to the AGM. Most of 2009 has been spent cleaning up issues of the past, but despite significant progress, we were always going to need help from the shareholders to help bridge the inherited gap in the club’s funding. In fact the £8.5m requirement stated in January only shifted to £6.5m in September 2009 based on the removal of the capital project in the South West corner and an over achievement trading on players in the summer window. The inherited position has always been clearly stated.

“More recently the board, which was chaired by Jimmy Russo, had tasked the independent directors to consider two proposals. As I outlined earlier, one was put forward by Fordwat, proposing a rights issue. This followed an offer for the club’s assets from VGS. The independent directors believe that the Fordwat proposal offers the best way forward for the company, its shareholders and the football club.

“VGS rejected the Fordwat proposal to inject the working capital via a combination of a rights issue and loan conversion with an independent board to take the club forward and subsequently resigned at the AGM and called in their loan.

“Following the events of the past two weeks, Fordwat have now in effect taken over the VGS loan. They have also indicated their ongoing support, which allows us to carry on operating in the short term until the completion of the rights issue. A fully underwritten rights issue allows us to move forward with some certainty for the remainder of the season.

“We now have a roadmap in place that seeks to leave the club virtually debt free come the end of the season. Many other clubs in both the Championship and Premier League would wish to be in that position.”

Will the club be raising money from player trading?

Winter: “Firstly it is important to note that we are due to receive further monies from previous sales this January which will help our short term financial position. Our transfer policy is based on making Watford competitive within the Championship, the events of the past few weeks have not changed this. Moving into this window, we will treat any offer that may arrive for a player on its merits. The level of working capital we have to raise is not great, so we do not feel any pressure to sell. If we do, it will be because we have received an appropriate offer for a player and our manager is content to let them leave, just as we have in the last two windows of last January and the summer.”

What of Fordwat’s long term position? Will they continue to fund the company moving forward?

Winter: “Lord Ashcroft has made it quite clear that while he will assist us now in getting through this tough period, as indeed he has done twice in the past, he does not see himself as the long term solution for the club. Moving into 2010, Fordwat wish to see a strong and independent board running the company. They are not seeking a place on the board, nor will Graham Simpson. The remaining directors, Graham Taylor, David Fransen, Stuart Timperley and myself, are not shareholders in the company and with their independence will continue to do what we feel is right for Watford – not for ourselves.

“Fordwat, it has to be said, have always been consistent in its approach to Watford FC. It has been supportive in the past and has now once again supported the club because we have prepared a sensible business plan to take the club forward and now, further to the AGM have an independent board to implement that plan.

“We will continue to implement ‘The Watford Way’ business plan that was drawn up at the start of 2009, while we will continue to seek new external investment for the club.

“The board will be meeting in early January to agree the on-going rules and responsibilities and to commence the further delivery of the business plan.”

Finally, what is your message to the Watford fans as we start a new year?

Winter: “I would like to offer my thanks to all our supporters who come week in, week out to support the club. 2009 has been a tough year in so many ways but our support has been with us, through the ups and the downs. Rest assured that the board, with people such as Graham Taylor on side, will only do what we believe is right for Watford Football Club.

“So please continue to get behind Malky, his staff and the team and I look forward to seeing all our fans at Stamford Bridge on Sunday and welcoming as many people back to Vicarage Road as possible in 2010.

“It was great to see a sold out Vicarage Road on Boxing Day versus Nottingham Forest and also fantastic to see such a large travelling support at Peterborough United and then Bristol City. The team have responded wonderfully throughout a challenging period and I hope to see them progress further with the support of the board, staff and fans really getting behind them.

“Watford FC has so many good things going for it – a unique Academy in partnership with Harefield School, an award winning Community Trust established against the club’s long term legacy as a real family and community club, an association with a world class entertainer in Elton John who is prepared to support the club to raise funds for players, a clear forward business strategy and the possibility of being a debt free football club that will be well governed to deliver a financially stable, viable and vibrant football club going forward.

“On behalf of the board and staff – we look forward to the challenge.”


Your Say YourWatford

WFC4ever, Watford says...
10:45am Fri 1 Jan 10

Its nice to hear something from the club...will we ever hear from Lord Ashvroft and HIS plans though?

ghosthorn, Rickmansworth says...
11:19am Fri 1 Jan 10

Well, as he doesn't have a place on the board I guess it's unlikely to hear from him...one thing is becoming clear...The more I hear about the Russo's the more I understand why no one wanted to come to the table !!!

Derek Payne, says...
12:25pm Fri 1 Jan 10

"We now have a roadmap in place that seeks to leave the club virtually debt free come the end of the season"

amen to that

rookerynook, Meppershall says...
12:36pm Fri 1 Jan 10

Although Julian Winter claims that the threat of administration was "all so unnecessary", my reading of the situation was that Lord Ashcroft and Fordwat were proving very difficult to bring to the table.

Although the Russo's resignations may have been out of sheer frustration, the fact is that they did have the desired effect.

So all's well that ends well, and I hope we can draw a line under any further recrimination.

Let's hope that Cleverley and Lansbury boost their Premiership credentials on Sunday. COYH!

Billie, Kings Langley says...
1:41pm Fri 1 Jan 10

So Mr Winter, were you or were you not party to a plot to vote J & V off the Board at the AGM? If so you are being something of a snake I think. Let us remember you are/were a mate of Ashton.

Holly68, Bushey says...
1:48pm Fri 1 Jan 10

Taken from Above :

Winter: “To start with I think it is right to state that I, along with the rest of the remaining directors, was very surprised by the actions of VGS at the AGM" .....

Winter you are a liar, you, along with Fordwat and Simpson were going to vote the Russo's off the board, Jimmy knew this and made it public (to those he spoke to) at the Derby game 4 days before the AGM.

To state you were 'surprised' just goes to show what a two faced smarmy individual you are ....

security word : trust - not

smeg, Hemel says...
2:22pm Fri 1 Jan 10

Billie wrote:
So Mr Winter, were you or were you not party to a plot to vote J & V off the Board at the AGM? If so you are being something of a snake I think. Let us remember you are/were a mate of Ashton.
Wake up. How would they know they were to be voted off? The only people who claim this are the Russos who are now proven to be untrustworthy publicity seekers. Seems to me the resignation was planned all along since they re-jigged the loans allowing them to demand instant payment.

herts hornet, watford says...
4:13pm Fri 1 Jan 10

smeg wrote:
Billie wrote: So Mr Winter, were you or were you not party to a plot to vote J & V off the Board at the AGM? If so you are being something of a snake I think. Let us remember you are/were a mate of Ashton.
Wake up. How would they know they were to be voted off? The only people who claim this are the Russos who are now proven to be untrustworthy publicity seekers. Seems to me the resignation was planned all along since they re-jigged the loans allowing them to demand instant payment.
oh dear smeg .please do not be so naive !! and for the record those loans that were "re jigged " as you say are exactly the same as the Fordwat loans now in place !!! WAKE UP YOURSELF ,if you beleive in winter you beleive in Ashton in my opinion ,remember who appointed him ,remember how on Ashton leaving winter said "MARK ASHTON would always be welcome at vicarage road ",so you share those sentiments do you

smeg, Hemel says...
4:56pm Fri 1 Jan 10

Nothing wrong with the terms, unless you use them as leverage to hold the club to ranson. And don't assume to know who I beleive in. It is ludicrous to judge someone on the basis of who hired them. I judge people on their actions thus the Russos are ruthless business who are happy to use my club to their own end.

WFC4ever, Watford says...
5:05pm Fri 1 Jan 10

herts hornet wrote:
smeg wrote:
Billie wrote: So Mr Winter, were you or were you not party to a plot to vote J & V off the Board at the AGM? If so you are being something of a snake I think. Let us remember you are/were a mate of Ashton.
Wake up. How would they know they were to be voted off? The only people who claim this are the Russos who are now proven to be untrustworthy publicity seekers. Seems to me the resignation was planned all along since they re-jigged the loans allowing them to demand instant payment.
oh dear smeg .please do not be so naive !! and for the record those loans that were "re jigged " as you say are exactly the same as the Fordwat loans now in place !!! WAKE UP YOURSELF ,if you beleive in winter you beleive in Ashton in my opinion ,remember who appointed him ,remember how on Ashton leaving winter said "MARK ASHTON would always be welcome at vicarage road ",so you share those sentiments do you
He was probably just putting a public face on..

How many times do you hear a club make this sort of comment about a player leaving or manager sacked"

"Thank you for the hard work at the club and wish you luck in the future"

Billie, Kings Langley says...
6:45pm Fri 1 Jan 10

smeg wrote:
Billie wrote: So Mr Winter, were you or were you not party to a plot to vote J & V off the Board at the AGM? If so you are being something of a snake I think. Let us remember you are/were a mate of Ashton.
Wake up. How would they know they were to be voted off? The only people who claim this are the Russos who are now proven to be untrustworthy publicity seekers. Seems to me the resignation was planned all along since they re-jigged the loans allowing them to demand instant payment.
That is why they (GS and Ashcroft) went for the share block vote and not show of hands. It was a poorly kept secret smeg and not everyone involved felt it appropriate for the brothers to go into the AGM and be ambushed. There are still decent people around.

smeg, Hemel says...
6:56pm Fri 1 Jan 10

It's not a poorly kept secret, it's hearsay, spin and a convenient excuse to hold the club over a barrel. I am not saying they were not forced into it but the end does not justify the means.

Wags it all about?, watford says...
8:52pm Fri 1 Jan 10

Smeg and others that clearly can't see further than the end of their nose.

What a crock of sh** Winter. You are someone NOT to be trusted, and you are in great company with Simpson, Ashcroft and his representatives.

You went to great (and tedious)
lengths to try and convince us that the Russo's were the 'bad guys' and the right thing for WFC was to back the one true solution to the club's ills - Ashcroft.

This is laughable and kids only plonkers like Smeg and other clappers happy to digest the trollop dished up by the former (now same) regime SIMPSON/ASHCROFT (via Andy Wilson Strand representative), AND we now have the Mark Ashton appointed Winter CEO.

Get ready for more 'rosey in the garden' claptrap'.

Good deal for us O'Toole going to colchester and Hoofroyd was it Julian? One day all this will come out, hope you and your chronies know a good hiding place...

smeg, Hemel says...
9:09pm Fri 1 Jan 10

Wags it all about? wrote:
Smeg and others that clearly can't see further than the end of their nose. What a crock of sh** Winter. You are someone NOT to be trusted, and you are in great company with Simpson, Ashcroft and his representatives. You went to great (and tedious) lengths to try and convince us that the Russo's were the 'bad guys' and the right thing for WFC was to back the one true solution to the club's ills - Ashcroft. This is laughable and kids only plonkers like Smeg and other clappers happy to digest the trollop dished up by the former (now same) regime SIMPSON/ASHCROFT (via Andy Wilson Strand representative), AND we now have the Mark Ashton appointed Winter CEO. Get ready for more 'rosey in the garden' claptrap'. Good deal for us O'Toole going to colchester and Hoofroyd was it Julian? One day all this will come out, hope you and your chronies know a good hiding place...
Of all you 'Russo can do no wrong' brigade, only Billie has put an argument up instead of just saying "we can't trust them", "old regime" yada yada yada. Give me a reason to trust the Russos and not just "they lent us money" with nothing to loose and everything to gain. And what exactly has Winter got to gain from any of this, apart from keeping his job?

WFC4ever, Watford says...
9:30pm Fri 1 Jan 10

It there any point to reading certain stories because all certain people is abuse each other without accepting that some might not agree with another ciew point?

At least on match day reports and stories about the groundsman passing away you get good comments/debate but when it comes to the boardroom issues well its a waste of time...

I wonder if the Russos will be in the Watford end or Chelsea's on Sunday!?

smeg, Hemel says...
10:25pm Fri 1 Jan 10

WFC4ever wrote:
It there any point to reading certain stories because all certain people is abuse each other without accepting that some might not agree with another ciew point? At least on match day reports and stories about the groundsman passing away you get good comments/debate but when it comes to the boardroom issues well its a waste of time... I wonder if the Russos will be in the Watford end or Chelsea's on Sunday!?
Dead right mate. But at the risk of sounding about 12... you started it! ;-)

WFC4ever, Watford says...
11:05pm Fri 1 Jan 10

smeg wrote:
WFC4ever wrote: It there any point to reading certain stories because all certain people is abuse each other without accepting that some might not agree with another ciew point? At least on match day reports and stories about the groundsman passing away you get good comments/debate but when it comes to the boardroom issues well its a waste of time... I wonder if the Russos will be in the Watford end or Chelsea's on Sunday!?
Dead right mate. But at the risk of sounding about 12... you started it! ;-)
I didn't mean to be rude but its little wonder the shareholders couldn't agree when our own fans cannot on the matter of ownership issues.

Hopefully we'll have some sort of stability and foward thinking plan so we aren't the same mess again too soon.

Billie, Kings Langley says...
11:05pm Fri 1 Jan 10

smeg wrote:
Wags it all about? wrote: Smeg and others that clearly can't see further than the end of their nose. What a crock of sh** Winter. You are someone NOT to be trusted, and you are in great company with Simpson, Ashcroft and his representatives. You went to great (and tedious) lengths to try and convince us that the Russo's were the 'bad guys' and the right thing for WFC was to back the one true solution to the club's ills - Ashcroft. This is laughable and kids only plonkers like Smeg and other clappers happy to digest the trollop dished up by the former (now same) regime SIMPSON/ASHCROFT (via Andy Wilson Strand representative), AND we now have the Mark Ashton appointed Winter CEO. Get ready for more 'rosey in the garden' claptrap'. Good deal for us O'Toole going to colchester and Hoofroyd was it Julian? One day all this will come out, hope you and your chronies know a good hiding place...
Of all you 'Russo can do no wrong' brigade, only Billie has put an argument up instead of just saying "we can't trust them", "old regime" yada yada yada. Give me a reason to trust the Russos and not just "they lent us money" with nothing to loose and everything to gain. And what exactly has Winter got to gain from any of this, apart from keeping his job?
Thanks smeg for a constuctive dialogue. I have no doubt the Russo's are very tough business people...you don't deal with supermarket buyers if you are not...and I have no doubt they would have driven a similarly tough deal in taking over the club. Sorry to be mysterious, and I suspect I will get a load of abuse for this, but I have always found them truthful, and I am afraid we can all see the old regime, now the new rigime, quite simply has not. We have been told lies, and the 'shock' at the R's resignation is another lie, but never by Jim and Vince.

Garston Tony, Garston says...
9:21am Sat 2 Jan 10

All in all a decent apraisal of what has taken place at the club the past month or so. Slightly anti Russo bias but that is fair enough as they were seemingly willing to put the club into administration. Despite this bias note the admittance of the financial problems that they inherited when they took control, problems that Lord A had a big part in causing. White in shinning armour he may have jsut been but its more making amends for previous wrongs as far as im concerned. Also note that the club intend to continue to implement the plan that the Russo's had a big part in forming, namely of getting the club to be self supporting, limiting players wages, amount spent buying players and in all likely hood still being a selling club. I hope that Lord A has learnt the lesson and really does want this plan to continue and really does want an independant board and the Russo's despite last months goings on still deserve thanks and credit for the 12 months previous. However they're most likely to be remembered negativaly

yellowredblack, London says...
12:02pm Sat 2 Jan 10

Ashcroft is sitting on the club with no interest in football other than it shall not lose money while he owns it. He has no interest in its success on the field and is happy to lend his toy to GT and the rest to use and try to squeeze promotion from with no money other than what the club can generate. The regeneration scheme is his sole reason for his investment and the position it would put him as landowner. We have a club but with limited opportunity for glory in my view. One thing will make me rethink my view on Lord A's motives and that is the go ahead for the construction of a new East stand in the future but no one seems to ask about that now. Any shelving of that and you can draw your own conclusions on our future at Vicarage Road.

Wags it all about?, watford says...
1:02pm Sat 2 Jan 10

yellowredblalck spot on.

And for those mugs that are happy to believe the cods wallop emanating from ther club.

Winter makes my stomach turn, he cites value he places on his staff but forgets to tell us he was Mark Ashton's hatchet man during the dark days, happily arranging gagging orders and removing any of the non nodding dog brigade.

What will it take for some of you to realise that Ashcroft is NOT good news for our club. He was forced to come to the table in injury time and has offered a cheap temporary solution only.

Watford Boy, Watford says...
5:37pm Sat 2 Jan 10

Hey, wrote a short piece about why WFC boys should be happy. http://www.sportingo
.com/football/a12835
_happiness-watford-f
an-celebrating-great
-escape

I´d appreciate any constructive criticism. cheers..

WFC4ever, Watford says...
7:42pm Sat 2 Jan 10

Wags it all about? wrote:
yellowredblalck spot on. And for those mugs that are happy to believe the cods wallop emanating from ther club. Winter makes my stomach turn, he cites value he places on his staff but forgets to tell us he was Mark Ashton's hatchet man during the dark days, happily arranging gagging orders and removing any of the non nodding dog brigade. What will it take for some of you to realise that Ashcroft is NOT good news for our club. He was forced to come to the table in injury time and has offered a cheap temporary solution only.
So you'd rather we had gone administration and all that goes with it?

yellowredblack, London says...
7:58pm Sat 2 Jan 10

WFC4ever, obvious observation to your comment is of course not. My particular post was speculating beyond what has already happened. We are owned by someone who is not interested in the main business of the company, only what its property assets are and their potential. We have been saved but what is our future? Away from Vicarage Road? There is no stated intention to improve the football side of the business and the only plan admitted to is for the football side to survive within its own means. There is more to come whether the regeneration happens or whether it doesn't.

Wags it all about?, watford says...
8:39pm Sat 2 Jan 10

WFC4ever

If you had tried every avenue open to engage with Ashcroft for ONE YEAR, tangibly made a positive contribution to the club and were then to find out that for the 2ND time you were gonn get stabbed in the back by being 'removed' from the board what would you do??????

Given the ruthless track record of the former regime, would'nt you want to protect your interest and those of your other businesses outside WFC ???? Exactly. You need to wake up.

WFC4ever, Watford says...
8:50pm Sat 2 Jan 10

yellowredblack wrote:
WFC4ever, obvious observation to your comment is of course not. My particular post was speculating beyond what has already happened. We are owned by someone who is not interested in the main business of the company, only what its property assets are and their potential. We have been saved but what is our future? Away from Vicarage Road? There is no stated intention to improve the football side of the business and the only plan admitted to is for the football side to survive within its own means. There is more to come whether the regeneration happens or whether it doesn't.
That is fair enough...we need to know more about the future with regard to long term planing?

The last thing we want is Lord Ashcroft deciding he really cannot be bothered with the club (like you suggest her isn't a football man) leaving us in a right old state again.

Sadly football is run like a business and very few directors reallt care about their club it seems but more their own back pocket and personal egos.

Do agree the question has to be asked.."why wasn't Lord Ashcroft etc willing to get invovled earlier"

All of the saga was rather akin to a child being threated with a smack and the old "I'll count to 3" to be given a chance and at the last second the "sorry" came.

In this case the Russos threated the shareholding of Lord Ashcroft etc and it was only a last minute call (probably by GT or Elton) than prevented the worse.

I know in reality none of us wanted administration because that would've wasted 3/4 months of hard work by the team/ management and fans.

derry pigweed, northampton says...
9:52pm Sat 2 Jan 10

Lordy is bad news,very bad news!

mclenaghan, London says...
8:58am Sun 3 Jan 10

I agree the whole thing was an unnecessary game.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=bXqHNyQGC
1s

john the greek, says...
9:30am Sun 3 Jan 10

We would be better off with the Russos than what we are going to get.
I think they did all they could for the club and by their actions have forced other non contributing shareholders to get involved.
Leaving the freehold of the ground in the hands of Lord Ashcroft is not a position most premiership and championship clubs would like to be in!!
So it seems for the time being we are back in the hands of the real baddies.
Love to be proven wrong if someone knows more.
How about the WO does some investigative journalism!!

Billie, Kings Langley says...
10:41am Sun 3 Jan 10

john the greek wrote:
We would be better off with the Russos than what we are going to get. I think they did all they could for the club and by their actions have forced other non contributing shareholders to get involved. Leaving the freehold of the ground in the hands of Lord Ashcroft is not a position most premiership and championship clubs would like to be in!! So it seems for the time being we are back in the hands of the real baddies. Love to be proven wrong if someone knows more. How about the WO does some investigative journalism!!
Good post john. The only problem is that Kevin Affleck sought to do the job you wish for on behalf of the WO and received derision from many fans, bullying from the (current) regime, and insults from the Supporters Trust, the latter being the most ludicrous of all.

Billie, Kings Langley says...
11:12am Sun 3 Jan 10

One other comment. Winter suggests an offer 'for the club's assets', which suggests it was not for the Company as a whole. I don't believe this to be true. This guy is from the same background as Ashton, they were mates, and we all know it, even vOr.

Elton Bog, Pinner says...
7:11pm Sun 3 Jan 10

You don't believe it, Billie? A statement by the CEO of a publicly quoted company? I'm sure the Russos will refute this immediately if it's not true and the AIM might want a word too. Wouldn't hold my breath though........

Billie, Kings Langley says...
7:20pm Sun 3 Jan 10

Elton Bog wrote:
You don't believe it, Billie? A statement by the CEO of a publicly quoted company? I'm sure the Russos will refute this immediately if it's not true and the AIM might want a word too. Wouldn't hold my breath though........
No Elt I do not believe it...not for one minute. I also did not believe Wilson when he claimed at an AGM that GS and Ashton had not sought share options. A former Director stated at that AGM he had evidence that they had. I have seen that evidence, which is just one small part of the reason why I question the rubbish that we are subjected to. The only serious tangible asset we have is the ground, hence loans being secured against it. The only attempt to take it away from the club has not come from the Russos. Watch this space when the money runs out again.

Wags it all about?, watford says...
7:39pm Sun 3 Jan 10

Elton Bog

Bille I'm with you every step f the way.

Eltonbog do you ever come out of your bog? cos it seems to me you need to serious unblocking of your mental pipework.

Either that or you work for the local tory party hoping to minimise this continuing embarrassment for ashcroft.

Elton Bog, Pinner says...
8:39pm Sun 3 Jan 10

Never voted Tory, Lib Dem the last time after Blair's disgraceful war, lifelong Labour before that. How do you think the Russos vote? What has that got to do with anything? Why would Winter state something that would be so easy for the Russos to disprove?
I have a completely open mind on Ashcroft and the Russos - I would love to know the Russos plan so we can compare them - but Holly (apparently the only one who knows) feels it's not his place to let the rest of us in on it. On the other hand, we do know that Russo engineered at the start of December for his loan to be repayable on demand; secured it against Vicarage Road; made statements about how we were running out of money; then threatened the club with administration. We also know which deal Graham Taylor thought was best for the club, and we also know what he thought of Russo's conduct around the AGM.
I agree the Russos ran the club well whilst at the helm. I agree that their performance in the transfer market has been outstanding. However, until Simpson gets back onto the board, I will give Ashcroft the benefit of the doubt, and not continue live in the past, basing all opinion on old grudges.

Wags it all about?, watford says...
9:58pm Sun 3 Jan 10

Eltonbog

I asked the unwarranted political question because I just cannot believe your naivety nor make any sense of your comments.

Which leads me to believe you are perhaps connected in some way with the current regime?

If not, what exactly is different about this regime from the last now that the Russo's have gone???

And why after the catalogue of disastrous untruths served up from the old regime do you think anything will be different this time round with the same majority shareholders and a different CEO by name but IMO not by nature?).

Your speculation re the Russos's strategy is way off the mark. How could they engineer anything significant without the consent of the majority shareholder Ashcroft (or his representatives at Strand?).

As has been stated umpteen times Ashcroft had ONE YEAR to engage with the Russo's or provide an alternative solution - none of these options materialised until injury time, self created by Ashcroft through his not so clever actions.

Best we agree to disagree on this one and time will no doubt provide the answer for you.



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Elton Bog, Pinner says...
10:27pm Sun 3 Jan 10

Wags, lets agree to disagree then. Time will tell.

Billie, Kings Langley says...
10:46pm Sun 3 Jan 10

Elton Bog wrote:
Wags, lets agree to disagree then. Time will tell.
As it happens Elt, I was born in Pinner. I am with Wags on this one, who, if my reckoning is correct, is in a position to know. A man of principle.

Wags it all about?, watford says...
11:48am Mon 4 Jan 10

Elt no doubt events at Vic will continue to keep us both 'entertained'.

Billie we speak-a- the same lingo eh?!

Chris the Vic, The Vic says...
4:29pm Mon 4 Jan 10

I think this is a superb piece of spin by Julian but I am not sure it addresses what were very real issues.

First it is clear that the Russos resigned before they were voted off.
It begs the question why were they to be voted off by Fordwat? Homer may have wanted revenge but what were Fordwat's aims?

Secondly with Fordwat underwriting the rights issue their control of the club will be greater and we know that after costs the club will have slightly over £2m to put against the cash shortage of £5m anticipated by June...Eltons money will also help bridge the shortfall even though it was earmarked for players....Can we assume if no players are sold we will see next years season ticket money applied to this years shortfall?

this then begs the question as to how we can fund next year.

As for julians comments over fordwat...they have been very supportive where it suits them and they can gain by freezing the Russos shareholding...but for a year they did nothing after their man Homer had messed up big time...and then the guys who had started digging WFC out of the proverbial they wanted off the board.

Nice spin Julian but what does the future hold for us...to be redeveloped or Fordwat sell us on to a daft investor as Chief executive of an AIMS company I hope you and the board have a Plan A that doesnt involve trusting Ashcroft or praying.

Wags it all about?, watford says...
7:37pm Mon 4 Jan 10

well said chris

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