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Agent of Bolton Wanderers striker Marvin Sordell rejects claims by Watford owner Laurence Bassini

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Marvin Sordell's agent has strongly denied claims by Watford owner Laurence Bassini that he said the striker would run down his contract with the Hornets.

Watford’s owner released a statement the day after Sordell joined Bolton Wanderers claiming the striker had been affected by “external influences”.

Bassini claimed Sordell’s agent had rejected a new contract on behalf of the player, which would double Sordell’s wages, and that his agent, Sky Andrew, said the contract would not be considered and that the 20-year-old would see out the remainder of his current deal if he wasn’t sold.

This was strongly denied by Andrew, whose client list includes QPR striker Jay Bothroyd, Stoke City winger Jermaine Pennant and England fast bowler James Anderson.

“Normally I wouldn’t comment on such matters but it is important for the fans to know the facts,” Andrew said.

“First and foremost, it is important to state that Ross Wilson and Sean Dyche were outstanding in the way they dealt with the whole situation.

“The manager was particularly gracious and Marvin appreciated the way the manager treated him.

“The second thing which needs to be said is that neither Marvin or myself had looked to leave the club.”

The Watford Observer understands the Hornets made other clubs aware of Sordell and Adrian Mariappa’s availability through a well-respected sports agency last week.

This prompted a bid from Cardiff City for Sordell and we understand the Welsh club had initially been told they had permission to talk to the player following a £3m bid, which included further add-ons, only for the Hornets to state they needed time to reconsider.

Cardiff manager Malky Mackay did not name which player he was talking about but he did tell the Welsh press: “We had a bid accepted for one player and than half-an-hour after things changed.”

Bassini said recent history between Watford and Cardiff meant the chances of striking a deal were “remote”.

Bolton came in for the striker on Tuesday afternoon and Bassini decided to withdraw Sordell from the squad to face Millwall.

In Bassini’s 270-word statement on the club’s website, he claimed: “Unfortunately, you cannot protect your own players from external and third-party influences when it comes to what might be best for their future career.

“We made an offer to double Marvin’s wages, however his agent advised that this wouldn’t be considered and that they’d simply let his contract run down.

“Then we’d have been in a vulnerable position as regards compensation amounts – so it becomes more about doing what’s best for Watford FC at that exact moment.

“I discussed the matter with Graham Taylor (chairman) and we agreed that selling Marvin was in the best interests of the football club, given the circumstances.”

However, when Sordell’s agent was asked if he said the player would not consider the new contract offer, Andrew stated: “That is not the case.

“We put it in writing to the club that we would consider the offer until the deadline we were given (February 1).”

And on Bassini’s claims that Andrew said Sordell would “simply let his contract run down”, the former Olympian replied: “No, I didn’t say he would run the contract down.”

Andrew added: “Marvin was given a contract offer and was given a time frame to consider it (until February 1) and we wrote to the club saying he would consider it.And before that time was up, the club decided to sell him.”

Sordell joined Bolton on a deal which we understand could eventually reach more than £3.5m, however Andrew stressed it was not a simple decision for the youngster, who joined Watford after being released by Fulham.

Andrew said: “It is a massive wrench for players like Marvin to leave a club when you have a good relationship with the manager and are being looked after by people like Sean Dyche and Ross Wilson (Watford’s head of football business).

“But if the club say they have accepted an offer from a Premier League club then I think fans would understand the player would want to talk to them.”

“Ross Wilson and Sean Dyche were top notch,” Andrew continued, “Marvin was sad to leave and he appreciated that Sean Dyche was the one who helped nurture him all the way from the youth team.”

Andrew set up his agency in the early 1990s after retiring as a table tennis player - having won three Commonwealth gold medals and attended the Seoul Olympic Games.

He stressed that he has never had a player break a contract and praised Sordell’s attitude during the transfer.

Andrew said: “Marvin conducted himself in an exemplary manner and the Watford fans and the manager were a big factor in the decision whether to go.

“It is important that the fans know the facts.

The facts are he didn’t ask to leave and he would have been happy to stay. Marvin was happy to stay and it was the club who decided to sell him.”

Comments(70)

bigthunder says...
11:14am Fri 3 Feb 12

WAKE UP EVERYBODY as i have been saying for sometime now dark forces at work going on at our club and once again the creadability of Bassini is found wanting !!

Graham taylor sort it out your own creadability is also being called into question associating your self with these articles

The Watford Observer understands the Hornets made other clubs aware of Sordell and Adrian Mariappa’s availability through a well-respected sports agency last week.

hawking our players around to a sports agency to sell them says everything you need to know !!

this man / board needs removing our club is being fleeced and slowly destroyed

whose next to be sold off !!

LE PARK says...
11:15am Fri 3 Feb 12

Idon't trust any agents there all leeches but the plot thickens.Will be interested to see what lb has to say but what's done is done and lets move frwd with barnsley in our sights

JonBoy says...
11:27am Fri 3 Feb 12

Well we have been lied to by one or the other

The BestTrip2011 says...
11:34am Fri 3 Feb 12

Well the question is who do you believe? The fact is though that we were always going to get more money for Marvin if we sold him now.

COGGDAVE1 says...
11:45am Fri 3 Feb 12

Simple really .... Sky Andrew is lieing through his teeth ... and it is worrying 'Marv' has such a dodgy agent.

Obviously he saw a way of making money out of the kid, and went for it.

Sweetening the statement by complimenting Sean is so transparent.

Watch out Merv... your agent is a pimp !!!

bigthunder says...
11:50am Fri 3 Feb 12

COGGDAVE1 wrote:
Simple really .... Sky Andrew is lieing through his teeth ... and it is worrying 'Marv' has such a dodgy agent. Obviously he saw a way of making money out of the kid, and went for it. Sweetening the statement by complimenting Sean is so transparent. Watch out Merv... your agent is a pimp !!!
rubbish , even if Sky Andrew is being economical with the truth are the Watford Observer also telling porkies by saying our board made an agency aware of sordell and marraippas availability so effectively saying come and get them we want to sell them

wake up

disgrace !!

Bright 1 says...
11:54am Fri 3 Feb 12

LB. Well done on releasing your statement. However, you failed to releveal All the facts, if the above is to be believed. Laurence, we accept that we need to sell to balance the books. You do not need to be so economical with the facts and certainly dont dress it up to give a different impression. Just get on a deliver on your promises and as long as you do right by the club you will eventually be accepted. However you don't do yourself any favours when things like this transpire.

BigDaveH says...
11:56am Fri 3 Feb 12

I think people have to earn trust, and I dont think Agents or Club owners generally are able to do this, so I take both statements with a pinch of salt. Only MS knows the actuality, and I dont know him, so dont know the truth. What I do know, is that I work with a close friend of SD, and I know he is an honourable man and will do what he feels is best for the club, hopefully with minimal interference from the board.

cliff46 says...
11:59am Fri 3 Feb 12

I don't understand why the deadline for accepting the new wage offer was supposedly 1st Feb if it wasnt accepted by then it seems unlikely the wage offer was going to be accepted and that we would by then have missed the transfer deadline day to sell.
That would have taken us to the summer with 12 months left on his contract and presumably a smaller fee, unless of course he had scored an additional 10 goals in the interim.
In which case he would have secured our place in the championship for another season and maybe we might have got £500k less.
The big question is did the club really make clubs aware of both players availability? If it did then Baz has perhaps been economical with the truth.

Having said that I am not sure I would totally trust the agents version of events either.

garston tony says...
12:01pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Maybe its a simple case of someone getting the wrong end of the stick, 'littlesqueek' apart we all know surely by now that the club needs to sell to keep going and if you've received offers for players - as we had for MS and AM - then its a great idea to tout them about to see if another club will come in with a better offer.

Cardiff make an offer for SM, SM gets touted and Bolton come in with a better offer. Excellent, well done to the club for getting the best price. MW gets touted about, no one comes up with a decent price. Player stays. Excellent, well done to the club for not selling on the cheap.

Littlesqueek, still waiting for facts to back your conspiracy theories up. Dark forces indeed, is LB Darth Vader now?! Oh, and there is a difference between someone being named in an article and that person associating themselves with it.

eltonsarmy says...
12:06pm Fri 3 Feb 12

One of the most trusted agents in the game and the player was 100% happy with his development at WFC and was in no hurry to jump to the first club who came in for him, it was fat baz who phoned mr Sky and said we have accepted a bid from cardiff city only then did bolton get involved when they were also informed of sordell availibility, cardiff were then not given a second option on another bid as time was ticking and bassini wanted the deal concluded to get his money, when are the fans going to wake up and put a stop to this man being allowed to b** sh** us all, graham taylor you are being made to look a fool. the only time i will ever trust basini is when i see a stand built with the money he has gained from sales or his own investment plan, i fear we will be out of business long before that ever happens under this owner. start to voice concerns starting at tomorows game as while he is getting no pressure from supporters nothing wil lchange only get worse.

jasonwatford says...
12:16pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Dont Believe a word any agents say as they are all in it for their percentage ....... I'm sure his take is a whole lot more from Bolton than would have been from watford renewal of contract.

strummerjoe says...
12:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Sky Andrew: “The second thing which needs to be said is that neither Marvin or myself had looked to leave the club.”

So why did he go? Didn't have to. Could have signed a better contract with Watford. Mariappa turned down a move, Sordell was equally free to do so.

Basini is probably lying.
Andrews is probably lying.
Who knows?

jasonwatford says...
12:37pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Im sure the agent didnt say what bassini said he said ...Bassini just told us what the agent said without saying it..if you know what i mean.

bigthunder says...
12:40pm Fri 3 Feb 12

garston tony wrote:
Maybe its a simple case of someone getting the wrong end of the stick, 'littlesqueek' apart we all know surely by now that the club needs to sell to keep going and if you've received offers for players - as we had for MS and AM - then its a great idea to tout them about to see if another club will come in with a better offer. Cardiff make an offer for SM, SM gets touted and Bolton come in with a better offer. Excellent, well done to the club for getting the best price. MW gets touted about, no one comes up with a decent price. Player stays. Excellent, well done to the club for not selling on the cheap. Littlesqueek, still waiting for facts to back your conspiracy theories up. Dark forces indeed, is LB Darth Vader now?! Oh, and there is a difference between someone being named in an article and that person associating themselves with it.
arston tony

you keep clapping mate and defending your buddy baz while our club is slowly being destroyed

as for facts show me any sign whatsoever of personal investment in WFC by the current owner

show me where current shareholders have been paid what they are owed

show me investment in the team having now overseen over 10million
player sales and sell ons recouped since the summer

show me investment in our ground not promises

Mark my words Saracens will be playing at the vic at beggining of next season , no work will have been done on the ground or pitch by the time you are all expected to have renewed your season ticket in early April

If you want to call Baz's blufff do not renew your season tickets until you see signs of investment from the owner ,

up to you all you can give him your money i.e investing in the club and HOPE he does the same personally after two many years to mention as a season ticket holder i will wait and see
it is not like there will be a shortage of available seats as the season ticket holders have disappeared season after season !

corbindallas says...
12:45pm Fri 3 Feb 12

eltonsarmy wrote:
One of the most trusted agents in the game and the player was 100% happy with his development at WFC and was in no hurry to jump to the first club who came in for him, it was fat baz who phoned mr Sky and said we have accepted a bid from cardiff city only then did bolton get involved when they were also informed of sordell availibility, cardiff were then not given a second option on another bid as time was ticking and bassini wanted the deal concluded to get his money, when are the fans going to wake up and put a stop to this man being allowed to b** sh** us all, graham taylor you are being made to look a fool. the only time i will ever trust basini is when i see a stand built with the money he has gained from sales or his own investment plan, i fear we will be out of business long before that ever happens under this owner. start to voice concerns starting at tomorows game as while he is getting no pressure from supporters nothing wil lchange only get worse.
Lets's look at this from both angles, Sky Andrew's doesn't make money without a player moving clubs, it is in the agents interest as well as the clubs to get the biggest price. LB sated the club didn't need to sell, but in truth the club does need to sell to cover costs, by stating they don't need to sell means other clubs might not put in cheeky bids as well so it is mind games in this business. Touting players via an agency is good business as it makes sure that bidding wars occur rather than one club coming in and setting the fee demands. All in the key bit is that if Marvin didn't want to go he didn't have to as pointed out by strummerjoe, but he did, despite clarification from both Sky Andrews and LB there was a double current salary offer on the table!!Good luck to Sordell, well done to LB for bringing in vital funds for the club, and enjoy your Agents fees Sky Andrews on this deal, End of story!

HornetJJ says...
12:47pm Fri 3 Feb 12

If people are naive enough to believe anything an agent says then you haven't got much chance in life!!

a1derek says...
12:57pm Fri 3 Feb 12

The fact is money drives the game nowadays and people will say whatever they need to in order to make money. I'm sure there are elements, of lets be kind and call it "spin" in both statements. However, you don't very often hear Sky Andrews come out and say things like he has said. Clearly he felt his credibility (that's how you spell it by the way) had been tarnished by Bassini's statement. But...I don't think we'll ever know the absolute truth, but...it does seem to me that the club is being asset stripped. And whilst on the surface LB seems to say the right things and is doing some of the right things (albeit at a snail's pace)...I can't help but feel extremely uneasy about the long term future of the club under his stewardship. I am also very worried about the fact that GT doesn't seem to speak for himself on matters WFC these days. Bassini seems to think as long as he says he "consulted" with GT everyone will think it's O.K - which I don't think it is!

corbindallas says...
12:59pm Fri 3 Feb 12

bigthunder wrote:
garston tony wrote:
Maybe its a simple case of someone getting the wrong end of the stick, 'littlesqueek' apart we all know surely by now that the club needs to sell to keep going and if you've received offers for players - as we had for MS and AM - then its a great idea to tout them about to see if another club will come in with a better offer. Cardiff make an offer for SM, SM gets touted and Bolton come in with a better offer. Excellent, well done to the club for getting the best price. MW gets touted about, no one comes up with a decent price. Player stays. Excellent, well done to the club for not selling on the cheap. Littlesqueek, still waiting for facts to back your conspiracy theories up. Dark forces indeed, is LB Darth Vader now?! Oh, and there is a difference between someone being named in an article and that person associating themselves with it.
arston tony

you keep clapping mate and defending your buddy baz while our club is slowly being destroyed

as for facts show me any sign whatsoever of personal investment in WFC by the current owner

show me where current shareholders have been paid what they are owed

show me investment in the team having now overseen over 10million
player sales and sell ons recouped since the summer

show me investment in our ground not promises

Mark my words Saracens will be playing at the vic at beggining of next season , no work will have been done on the ground or pitch by the time you are all expected to have renewed your season ticket in early April

If you want to call Baz's blufff do not renew your season tickets until you see signs of investment from the owner ,

up to you all you can give him your money i.e investing in the club and HOPE he does the same personally after two many years to mention as a season ticket holder i will wait and see
it is not like there will be a shortage of available seats as the season ticket holders have disappeared season after season !
What is your problem? Take a chill pill, if you don't want to renew a ST then don't quite honestly with oaners like you the club are better off without you. You keep on repeating the heaps of money the club are supposedly making but totally ignore the running costs, also involved. The club has a average of 2500 less paying supporters of last season, that is = to around £63000 plus less a match coming in, our last account show we lost 4 million last year as well as a accrued debt of 13 million, this was detailed to show where the ins and outs were, so your 10 million you keep banging on about (which is also not accurate) will not cover our debt, yet we are investing still in players and despite what you don't like development. If Bassini wanted to make more money and quickly he could easily have stopped the Watford Ladies team, reduce the Academy etc but he has not! A + millions pound contract for pitch relay has been ordered the new and very expensive tannoy system £900k is in and new screens also I believe are ordered and the corner starts end of season,. Both AM and ms were offered improved contracts to stay, fact,not signs of anyone doing a runner really is it, so as I said chill out or if not shut up and buy the club instead so we can start coming up with c rap about you instead!

BicesterLee says...
1:00pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Since when did his agent play or work for us???
'the second thing that needs to be said is that neither Marvin or myself had looked to leave the club'

Not sure who is lying but I do know that I cant do anything about the current situation so I'll just continue to get behind the team as much as possible to push them towards getting as many points as possible so that if the very worst did happen we'd still be safe with a points deduction.
Even if 90% of the supporters believed LB was up to no good there's very little we could do about it as who would come in and replace him.
My only focus is tomorrows game and hoping the team can keep the momentum from the last 2 matches.
What will be will be, so i'm not going to worry about something I clearly cannot change.
COYH

COGGDAVE1 says...
1:09pm Fri 3 Feb 12

jasonwatford wrote:
Dont Believe a word any agents say as they are all in it for their percentage ....... I'm sure his take is a whole lot more from Bolton than would have been from watford renewal of contract.
100% RIGHT .... Shame Merv will languish in Bolton Reserves....what waste..hope I'm wrong

COGGDAVE1 says...
1:15pm Fri 3 Feb 12

bigthunder wrote:
COGGDAVE1 wrote:
Simple really .... Sky Andrew is lieing through his teeth ... and it is worrying 'Marv' has such a dodgy agent. Obviously he saw a way of making money out of the kid, and went for it. Sweetening the statement by complimenting Sean is so transparent. Watch out Merv... your agent is a pimp !!!
rubbish , even if Sky Andrew is being economical with the truth are the Watford Observer also telling porkies by saying our board made an agency aware of sordell and marraippas availability so effectively saying come and get them we want to sell them

wake up

disgrace !!
I am amazed how naive some people are on here ... wake up smell the coffee 'bigthunder' ... Merv was sold cos of the money grabbing agent ... and you can embroider it all you like ... I believe the club was put in a position by the agent refusing or advising Merv about the new offered contract ...

HornettHarry says...
1:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12

He probably was happy at the club he has clearly said that on twitter, but when a premier league club comes in for him he is not going to turn it down to sign a contact extension with us.
He is an england under 21 international and knows that this is the next step to progress his career.

thomas.howard says...
1:22pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Bassini owns the club, if he wishes to asset strip it, thats his prerogative. Until the ownership structure changes theres nothing the humble fan can do about it.

garston tony says...
1:22pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Wow, should I be stunned that there are some out there who still dont get that WFC does not make enough from us the fans to cover its outgoings?!

No one likes to see the best players being sold, but the sensible ones know that its a necessary evil to keep the club going. We also ALL know that selling players does not mean the club can not be succesful or move forward.

Smalldampfart, selling MS is not destroying the club it is ENSURING ITS CONTINUE SURVIVAL. LB has not done anything that we didnt know was going to happen anyway, he has actually invested more in the team than he originally stated he would and certainly far far more than Lord A and co. would ever have done. So yes i'm happy with his ownership of the club and will continue to be unless he does actually do something out of order (beyond being naive about football club ownership). What I wont do is jump on a ludicrous conspiratory bandwagon against him

SAHornet says...
1:59pm Fri 3 Feb 12

IT'S 'MARV' FFS

buckler says...
2:43pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Bassini has run every business he's been near into the ground and now he is doing the same with our football club! He is a billy liar and yet people on here still can't see it! Wish I could bump into him on the top of mountain on one of his ski trips! End of!

lutondown says...
2:44pm Fri 3 Feb 12

SAHornet wrote:
IT'S 'MARV' FFS
I quite like Merv the swerve better than Marv the .... Couldn't rhyme it with anything that made sense!
I think there's a lot of porky pie(ing) going on. Personally think we're probably getting half truths from all sides ( MacTosh, Bas, and Sky)
More to the point where is uncle Buck
And Franny? Now these are real issues
Unsolved and unanswered.

Bush Hornet says...
2:45pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Big Blunder wake up mate. All agents are scum. End of

lutondown says...
2:48pm Fri 3 Feb 12

cliff46 wrote:
I don't understand why the deadline for accepting the new wage offer was supposedly 1st Feb if it wasnt accepted by then it seems unlikely the wage offer was going to be accepted and that we would by then have missed the transfer deadline day to sell.
That would have taken us to the summer with 12 months left on his contract and presumably a smaller fee, unless of course he had scored an additional 10 goals in the interim.
In which case he would have secured our place in the championship for another season and maybe we might have got £500k less.
The big question is did the club really make clubs aware of both players availability? If it did then Baz has perhaps been economical with the truth.

Having said that I am not sure I would totally trust the agents version of events either.
You know Cliff I'm going to throw some flowers to your rear end!
You are one of the few posters whose view I can not always Agree with but listen to any way. That's because your thoughts are thought out, and articulated without putting down another's views. So to you Cliff, well done.
I'm with you on this one by the way!

sceptic says...
3:10pm Fri 3 Feb 12

This is turning into a bad day--- finding myself agreeing with Adolf Buckler!!

lutondown says...
3:20pm Fri 3 Feb 12

buckler wrote:
Bassini has run every business he's been near into the ground and now he is doing the same with our football club! He is a billy liar and yet people on here still can't see it! Wish I could bump into him on the top of mountain on one of his ski trips! End of!
thought for a horrible time you were vanished to the outposts!
But I bet your post ends up there mate!

Alex Hillcroft says...
3:28pm Fri 3 Feb 12

The list of those prepared to go on record to accuse Bi-Polar Baz of deceitfulness grows by the day...

lutondown says...
3:32pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Alex Hillcroft wrote:
The list of those prepared to go on record to accuse Bi-Polar Baz of deceitfulness grows by the day...
Alex
You will now be sentenced to a torrent of pro Bas clapping!
Please stop having a mind of your own, and join in the sombre chorus of ' don't worry, be happy'
See, alls good!

Chris the Vic says...
3:46pm Fri 3 Feb 12

OMG what an article and look at the response.

Marvin for the last six to eight weeks has played with one eye on a January exit.

If LB/SD advertised his and Adrian's availability it was to avoid more of a forced sale scenario in the summer.

Adrian turned down Wigan so he could go to NUFC and I dont blame him but he fell at the last hurdle.

Our owner sees us as a profit opportunity, build us up sort out the crisis and then sell a more attractive club at a profit.

All the parties including Sky Andrews have their own agenda and the WO have now made their communications with WFC a tad more difficult.

If we stay up have new dressing rooms and a better pitch by August, I for one will be more than happy and as has been said above what is done is done and three points against the Tykes will be more than welcome

WFC4ever says...
3:48pm Fri 3 Feb 12

I do believe him when he says Marvin wouldn't want to leave but might have not signed a new contract if there were other options in the future.

Anyways its one man's word against another.

Last thing the club need is a slagging match between owner and agent.

bigthunder says...
3:53pm Fri 3 Feb 12

buckler wrote:
Bassini has run every business he's been near into the ground and now he is doing the same with our football club! He is a billy liar and yet people on here still can't see it! Wish I could bump into him on the top of mountain on one of his ski trips! End of!
Not much point trying to make some fans understand just what is going on at our club buckler

Wish i could say more of what i know and would have if had opportunity at the fans forum but bassini bottled it

just have to accept that when our ground is sold of to say a Tesco's or Sainsbury's some on here are so blind to what is going on that they will say could have been worse could have been Asda !

i despair !

stevyweavy says...
4:13pm Fri 3 Feb 12

We needed to sell someone in the transfer window - I am pleased it was MS rather than AM. MS I think had progressed as far as he was going to with us and taking the focus away from him at the club might work in our favour. Certainly did at Millwall but only time will tell. Get in a good loan striker and possibly another winger and we could be in a much better position than we have been in a while. AM's value if he continues playing as he is is only going to go up by the summer and he may well have more choice in where he goes.

LB and the agent will have both been economical with the truth but unfortunately that is the nature of the sport. The club always needs money and the Agent gets the bulk of his money from player sales.

If MS wanted to stay all he needed to do was sign the new contract and that would have been that.

mooneysmagic says...
4:27pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Anyone who had purchased the club purely for an investment would want to make as big a profit as he could.

Whilst the younsters are coming off the production line the income will continue to come in. However when this dries up I suspect Bazza will be off like a shot.

Oracledave says...
4:28pm Fri 3 Feb 12

The usual divergent mix of opinions. That is fine if those same opinions are not supported by ridiculous inaccuracies or omissions.

For example it is valid to question the commitment of LB on the basis of little actual development having taken place thus far. However, it is entirely invalid to start touting 'missing' transfer income as asset stripping when as has been correctly stated running costs and debt repayment are significant. It was only 1 year ago we needed those self same loans to keep the club running !

Returning to the south west corner development some may recall that GT read out a statement regarding due diligence on contract bids for the work. That was 4 months ago. We might reasonably expect further news in the near future.

allgood says...
4:41pm Fri 3 Feb 12

I've had my doubts about baz's statements since he claimed he had two big money offers to sell the club since taking over. Its hard to believe one let alone two persons with enough money to buy a football club would sit back and let him get it for £400,000 and then make multi million pound offers to buy him out.

lutondown says...
4:43pm Fri 3 Feb 12

bigthunder wrote:
buckler wrote:
Bassini has run every business he's been near into the ground and now he is doing the same with our football club! He is a billy liar and yet people on here still can't see it! Wish I could bump into him on the top of mountain on one of his ski trips! End of!
Not much point trying to make some fans understand just what is going on at our club buckler

Wish i could say more of what i know and would have if had opportunity at the fans forum but bassini bottled it

just have to accept that when our ground is sold of to say a Tesco's or Sainsbury's some on here are so blind to what is going on that they will say could have been worse could have been Asda !

i despair !
lol!

Dr Johnny Fever says...
4:43pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Just like to point out to everyone going on about our club, our ground etc.
sorry, its not our club, it's LB's, and as it's his, like it or not, he can do whatever he likes with it.
untill he sell's it and we all club together to buy it off him, like that's going to happen, it wont be ours.

and so far, I can't see what he's done wrong. and I feel the club is moving forward, lets see what happens in the close season.

and for all this so called money, that he's got from the sales of D.G. M.S etc, lets not forget he still has wages to pay in the closed season, where theres no one coming thro the gate.

is it that hard to understand? if you have x amount coming in and y amount going out, you cant run at a loss forever.

lutondown says...
4:45pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Dr Johnny Fever wrote:
Just like to point out to everyone going on about our club, our ground etc.
sorry, its not our club, it's LB's, and as it's his, like it or not, he can do whatever he likes with it.
untill he sell's it and we all club together to buy it off him, like that's going to happen, it wont be ours.

and so far, I can't see what he's done wrong. and I feel the club is moving forward, lets see what happens in the close season.

and for all this so called money, that he's got from the sales of D.G. M.S etc, lets not forget he still has wages to pay in the closed season, where theres no one coming thro the gate.

is it that hard to understand? if you have x amount coming in and y amount going out, you cant run at a loss forever.
That fever really is affecting your judgement!

bigthunder says...
4:55pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Dr Johnny Fever wrote:
Just like to point out to everyone going on about our club, our ground etc. sorry, its not our club, it's LB's, and as it's his, like it or not, he can do whatever he likes with it. untill he sell's it and we all club together to buy it off him, like that's going to happen, it wont be ours. and so far, I can't see what he's done wrong. and I feel the club is moving forward, lets see what happens in the close season. and for all this so called money, that he's got from the sales of D.G. M.S etc, lets not forget he still has wages to pay in the closed season, where theres no one coming thro the gate. is it that hard to understand? if you have x amount coming in and y amount going out, you cant run at a loss forever.
Dr Johnny it may be his club but i for one will not just sit here and let him do whatever he likes with it , there is a community of fans brought up on WFC and years and years of hard work put in to establish it as, or was a decent run family club

your opinion is we are moving forward you are entitled to that i do not think we are, were is the evidence ?

I leave you with just ONE question
what is Bassini's motive for buying Watford football Club

as i see no investment in the ground or any of his PERSONEL wealth put into the club, yes he may be spending a very small amount of the club generated money from many players sales circ 10m so far , but no evidence of anything else, until i see some i will continue to challenge what is happening yes AT OUR CLUB WHATEVER YOU MAY SAY ABOUT WHO OWNS IT

buckler says...
5:13pm Fri 3 Feb 12

bigthunder wrote:
buckler wrote:
Bassini has run every business he's been near into the ground and now he is doing the same with our football club! He is a billy liar and yet people on here still can't see it! Wish I could bump into him on the top of mountain on one of his ski trips! End of!
Not much point trying to make some fans understand just what is going on at our club buckler

Wish i could say more of what i know and would have if had opportunity at the fans forum but bassini bottled it

just have to accept that when our ground is sold of to say a Tesco's or Sainsbury's some on here are so blind to what is going on that they will say could have been worse could have been Asda !

i despair !
Simples speak to me on twitter! You can have proper Entertainment there? You know The Jams drummer and were on!

lutondown says...
5:32pm Fri 3 Feb 12

buckler wrote:
bigthunder wrote:
buckler wrote:
Bassini has run every business he's been near into the ground and now he is doing the same with our football club! He is a billy liar and yet people on here still can't see it! Wish I could bump into him on the top of mountain on one of his ski trips! End of!
Not much point trying to make some fans understand just what is going on at our club buckler

Wish i could say more of what i know and would have if had opportunity at the fans forum but bassini bottled it

just have to accept that when our ground is sold of to say a Tesco's or Sainsbury's some on here are so blind to what is going on that they will say could have been worse could have been Asda !

i despair !
Simples speak to me on twitter! You can have proper Entertainment there? You know The Jams drummer and were on!
uncle Buck
There's several Rick Bucklers, I'm on as guess?
Lutondown!

Alex Hillcroft says...
5:35pm Fri 3 Feb 12

garston tony wrote:
Maybe its a simple case of someone getting the wrong end of the stick, 'littlesqueek' apart we all know surely by now that the club needs to sell to keep going and if you've received offers for players - as we had for MS and AM - then its a great idea to tout them about to see if another club will come in with a better offer.

Cardiff make an offer for SM, SM gets touted and Bolton come in with a better offer. Excellent, well done to the club for getting the best price. MW gets touted about, no one comes up with a decent price. Player stays. Excellent, well done to the club for not selling on the cheap.

Littlesqueek, still waiting for facts to back your conspiracy theories up. Dark forces indeed, is LB Darth Vader now?! Oh, and there is a difference between someone being named in an article and that person associating themselves with it.
Are the following facts sufficient for you to understand why some of us are questioning how Baz was deemed suitable to pass the League's 'fit and proper' owner test?

Fact: Bassini has been declared bankrupt and lived on benefts for six months or so in 2007
Fact: It has been widely reported that Baz has been a director of 12 companies, ten of which were stuck off without filing accounts and another one which folded after only ever filing one set of accounts.
Fact: Bassini changed his name after his bankruptcy
Fact: Bassini has refused to reveal who his backers are for his takeover of Watford
Fact; Baz's shares are held by a knee surgeon called Panos Thomas.
Of course, none of the above sounds remotely suspect, whatsoever.

lutondown says...
6:03pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Alex Hillcroft wrote:
garston tony wrote:
Maybe its a simple case of someone getting the wrong end of the stick, 'littlesqueek' apart we all know surely by now that the club needs to sell to keep going and if you've received offers for players - as we had for MS and AM - then its a great idea to tout them about to see if another club will come in with a better offer.

Cardiff make an offer for SM, SM gets touted and Bolton come in with a better offer. Excellent, well done to the club for getting the best price. MW gets touted about, no one comes up with a decent price. Player stays. Excellent, well done to the club for not selling on the cheap.

Littlesqueek, still waiting for facts to back your conspiracy theories up. Dark forces indeed, is LB Darth Vader now?! Oh, and there is a difference between someone being named in an article and that person associating themselves with it.
Are the following facts sufficient for you to understand why some of us are questioning how Baz was deemed suitable to pass the League's 'fit and proper' owner test?

Fact: Bassini has been declared bankrupt and lived on benefts for six months or so in 2007
Fact: It has been widely reported that Baz has been a director of 12 companies, ten of which were stuck off without filing accounts and another one which folded after only ever filing one set of accounts.
Fact: Bassini changed his name after his bankruptcy
Fact: Bassini has refused to reveal who his backers are for his takeover of Watford
Fact; Baz's shares are held by a knee surgeon called Panos Thomas.
Of course, none of the above sounds remotely suspect, whatsoever.
ah the Orthopedic surgeon Pantyhose!

tonyevans22 says...
7:20pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Oh shock,Horror,watford sell another player..Wake up people,who cares who says what,we are a selling club,have always been a selling club since,Barnes,Blisset
t,Furlong,Dyer,James
,Graham and 100's of other players over the last 25 years even with Elton here we always sold players.The club can not operate simply on our poor attendances every year.We have to sell every year to cover operational losses of £4/5mill a year and purchase more players in the meantime.I do not see a queue of million/billionaires queuing up to bankroll the club and cover losses every year.Marriappa will be the next to go,then Loach,then possibly Murray.It's the way of life at our club,so deal with it and stop moaning about it unless any of you can walk through the door at the vic and offer to cover the operational losses every season!!!

Rookery Veteren says...
7:59pm Fri 3 Feb 12

I accept we are a selling club.I look at the attendances and realise why we will never keep our young talent for long.
But I would also appreciate some honesty. Tell it how it is Mr.B we are old enough to understand. Instead I feel our owner is distinctly economic with the truth. Strikes me he was using the bogeyman agent story to deflect attention from the fact that he was pretty desperate to sell.
Man up LB....if Marv has to go to pay the bills tell us that. But then you dont like straight talking do you? GT discovered that...when he talked from the heart about the frustrations of working with you, you didn't only throw your teddy out you threatened to destroy the pram.

rousman 2 says...
8:38pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Why is the South West corner not finished ? Baz has sold how many players ? the only promise of note he has kept is to bring new players in, but you can make money if you buy the right player at the right price (i.e Hogg) but when you leave the club high & dry as will happen you can not take a new stand or changing rooms with you to sell on ebay. I know we are a selling club always have been always will be but turn round & say we have no need to sell anyone in this window then the next minute tout around AM & MS to other clubs ,well all you Baz fans have a think about it.

tonyevans22 says...
8:50pm Fri 3 Feb 12

rousman 2 wrote:
Why is the South West corner not finished ? Baz has sold how many players ? the only promise of note he has kept is to bring new players in, but you can make money if you buy the right player at the right price (i.e Hogg) but when you leave the club high & dry as will happen you can not take a new stand or changing rooms with you to sell on ebay. I know we are a selling club always have been always will be but turn round & say we have no need to sell anyone in this window then the next minute tout around AM & MS to other clubs ,well all you Baz fans have a think about it.
The South west corner is not finished due to supposed money that was ringfenced but never there from the last regime.What has BAS actually done wrong? We have sold 1 player for a very good price which will help finish projects,keep us operational.He has laid out the deposit for the pitch,the red lion is going to be finished,and the south west corner will get finished then the East stand will be demolished.Rome was not built in a day,give the man a chance.Also remember that Sky Andrews comments also implies that Bas and GT were lying,and GT is an upfront honest man 100%..Never trust what Agents say,they are there to make money and quickly.They are only interested in lining there pockets.

abbotswreck says...
11:16pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Bas is out to get all he can fact. Ive seen everything over the years but someone like him who noone knows anything about is ridiculous. The red lion should have taken a couple of months to complete and maybe 200k max but still not done. Anyone with money could have done that place easily. Its a joke anyone who trusts him is as bad as him pathetic. I go every week with my boys and always will because i love the club so dont question my support but dodgy it is.

tonyevans22 says...
11:30pm Fri 3 Feb 12

abbotswreck wrote:
Bas is out to get all he can fact. Ive seen everything over the years but someone like him who noone knows anything about is ridiculous. The red lion should have taken a couple of months to complete and maybe 200k max but still not done. Anyone with money could have done that place easily. Its a joke anyone who trusts him is as bad as him pathetic. I go every week with my boys and always will because i love the club so dont question my support but dodgy it is.
Did you go to the fans forum? The Red Lion underneath was crumbling away,bit like our East stand.The whole lot needed underpinning,it takes a bloody while to do that.If he didn't have money then explain how he put money down for the pitch and the work taking place with the Red lion before selling Sordell,or managed to buy the club and also make funds available,and also make payments to various people that we owe? Oh and last month he put a million of his own money in to keep us trading..Awaits the answer to all this.

abbotswreck says...
11:33pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Will buckley, danny graham do you need more . If the pub was subsiding it would be an insurance claim.

abbotswreck says...
11:35pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Tony did he put a million pounds in or did he say he did

tonyevans22 says...
11:43pm Fri 3 Feb 12

abbotswreck wrote:
Tony did he put a million pounds in or did he say he did
Dyche received over a million to purchase players and pay wages,and the 2 players former clubs had to be paid out of that Income,Buckley we made about£458k.Operatio
nal costs were also paid on our losses,Ashcroft needed paying,and do not forget the Russo's they are owed money.And yes he had to put money into the club,he had no choice.Do you think someone like GT is going to let anyone walk in and take over if they have nothing?

SAHornet says...
8:03am Sat 4 Feb 12

lutondown wrote:
cliff46 wrote:
I don't understand why the deadline for accepting the new wage offer was supposedly 1st Feb if it wasnt accepted by then it seems unlikely the wage offer was going to be accepted and that we would by then have missed the transfer deadline day to sell.
That would have taken us to the summer with 12 months left on his contract and presumably a smaller fee, unless of course he had scored an additional 10 goals in the interim.
In which case he would have secured our place in the championship for another season and maybe we might have got £500k less.
The big question is did the club really make clubs aware of both players availability? If it did then Baz has perhaps been economical with the truth.

Having said that I am not sure I would totally trust the agents version of events either.
You know Cliff I'm going to throw some flowers to your rear end!
You are one of the few posters whose view I can not always Agree with but listen to any way. That's because your thoughts are thought out, and articulated without putting down another's views. So to you Cliff, well done.
I'm with you on this one by the way!
You two gonna get a room?

lutondown says...
8:07am Sat 4 Feb 12

SAHornet wrote:
lutondown wrote:
cliff46 wrote:
I don't understand why the deadline for accepting the new wage offer was supposedly 1st Feb if it wasnt accepted by then it seems unlikely the wage offer was going to be accepted and that we would by then have missed the transfer deadline day to sell.
That would have taken us to the summer with 12 months left on his contract and presumably a smaller fee, unless of course he had scored an additional 10 goals in the interim.
In which case he would have secured our place in the championship for another season and maybe we might have got £500k less.
The big question is did the club really make clubs aware of both players availability? If it did then Baz has perhaps been economical with the truth.

Having said that I am not sure I would totally trust the agents version of events either.
You know Cliff I'm going to throw some flowers to your rear end!
You are one of the few posters whose view I can not always Agree with but listen to any way. That's because your thoughts are thought out, and articulated without putting down another's views. So to you Cliff, well done.
I'm with you on this one by the way!
You two gonna get a room?
ouch SAH!
Good morning to you too!

SAHornet says...
8:10am Sat 4 Feb 12

mooneysmagic wrote:
Anyone who had purchased the club purely for an investment would want to make as big a profit as he could.

Whilst the younsters are coming off the production line the income will continue to come in. However when this dries up I suspect Bazza will be off like a shot.
What youngsters are in the pipeline now for summer, mooney? They have all mostly been rejected by their loan clubs, haven't they? Income stream will dry up pretty soon. Only prospect of money would seem to be AM in the summer and that won't be more than 3m. How much for CM?

SAHornet says...
8:22am Sat 4 Feb 12

lutondown wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
lutondown wrote:
cliff46 wrote:
I don't understand why the deadline for accepting the new wage offer was supposedly 1st Feb if it wasnt accepted by then it seems unlikely the wage offer was going to be accepted and that we would by then have missed the transfer deadline day to sell.
That would have taken us to the summer with 12 months left on his contract and presumably a smaller fee, unless of course he had scored an additional 10 goals in the interim.
In which case he would have secured our place in the championship for another season and maybe we might have got £500k less.
The big question is did the club really make clubs aware of both players availability? If it did then Baz has perhaps been economical with the truth.

Having said that I am not sure I would totally trust the agents version of events either.
You know Cliff I'm going to throw some flowers to your rear end!
You are one of the few posters whose view I can not always Agree with but listen to any way. That's because your thoughts are thought out, and articulated without putting down another's views. So to you Cliff, well done.
I'm with you on this one by the way!
You two gonna get a room?
ouch SAH!
Good morning to you too!
Hello matey. How' it hanging? Keeping warm? Been raining for 36 hours here but we needed it. Too fookin' dry. Finished now. Off to golf in an hour or so but wish I was off to The Vic. Watcha reckon for this afternoon? 2-1 The 'orns, I reckon. Let me know how the new loan lad plays, will ya? Enjoy it!

corbindallas says...
8:34am Sat 4 Feb 12

Ha ha the 3 wise monkeys are back in force, Suckler, Muttondown & Alex Hillbilly, of course reverse of the wise monkey's being that you speak evil, see evil, hear evil. Poor Fransen he gets kicked but you 3 just carry on with your bile regardless, wonder why? Re some of the above comments, some thoughts, maybe the offers to buy after Bassini took over were from Simpson, or the salad boy's, Ashcroft wouldn't sell to the Russo boy's so that ruled them out and I guess Simpson would need more money to be a player and neither would have really got past the boards approval on their history (asset stripping may be a better cause on our past owners but short memory's and that), as for Bassini's money who cares were it is from, it stopped the club going into administration, it has enabled us to trade players, it looks like we will be staying in the Championship and that we can put a team on the pitch that can look very good even against a Premiership team and for me it is worth my money to support and continued clapping, because I am a realist to what we are about and doing not a fantasist!

lutondown says...
8:54am Sat 4 Feb 12

corbindallas wrote:
Ha ha the 3 wise monkeys are back in force, Suckler, Muttondown & Alex Hillbilly, of course reverse of the wise monkey's being that you speak evil, see evil, hear evil. Poor Fransen he gets kicked but you 3 just carry on with your bile regardless, wonder why? Re some of the above comments, some thoughts, maybe the offers to buy after Bassini took over were from Simpson, or the salad boy's, Ashcroft wouldn't sell to the Russo boy's so that ruled them out and I guess Simpson would need more money to be a player and neither would have really got past the boards approval on their history (asset stripping may be a better cause on our past owners but short memory's and that), as for Bassini's money who cares were it is from, it stopped the club going into administration, it has enabled us to trade players, it looks like we will be staying in the Championship and that we can put a team on the pitch that can look very good even against a Premiership team and for me it is worth my money to support and continued clapping, because I am a realist to what we are about and doing not a fantasist!
oh you complete and utter bore
Go play with your other sad friends
If you have any that is

lutondown says...
8:58am Sat 4 Feb 12

SAHornet wrote:
lutondown wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
lutondown wrote:
cliff46 wrote:
I don't understand why the deadline for accepting the new wage offer was supposedly 1st Feb if it wasnt accepted by then it seems unlikely the wage offer was going to be accepted and that we would by then have missed the transfer deadline day to sell.
That would have taken us to the summer with 12 months left on his contract and presumably a smaller fee, unless of course he had scored an additional 10 goals in the interim.
In which case he would have secured our place in the championship for another season and maybe we might have got £500k less.
The big question is did the club really make clubs aware of both players availability? If it did then Baz has perhaps been economical with the truth.

Having said that I am not sure I would totally trust the agents version of events either.
You know Cliff I'm going to throw some flowers to your rear end!
You are one of the few posters whose view I can not always Agree with but listen to any way. That's because your thoughts are thought out, and articulated without putting down another's views. So to you Cliff, well done.
I'm with you on this one by the way!
You two gonna get a room?
ouch SAH!
Good morning to you too!
Hello matey. How' it hanging? Keeping warm? Been raining for 36 hours here but we needed it. Too fookin' dry. Finished now. Off to golf in an hour or so but wish I was off to The Vic. Watcha reckon for this afternoon? 2-1 The 'orns, I reckon. Let me know how the new loan lad plays, will ya? Enjoy it!
All good mate
I'm actually going to a showing of Scotland v England In the six nations so football will be second best over the next six or so weeks
I think we could win today, hope so, if for nothing other that the clappers can do their playground chant of 'told u so'!
COYH and come on England,

buckler says...
10:38am Sat 4 Feb 12

corbindallas wrote:
Ha ha the 3 wise monkeys are back in force, Suckler, Muttondown & Alex Hillbilly, of course reverse of the wise monkey's being that you speak evil, see evil, hear evil. Poor Fransen he gets kicked but you 3 just carry on with your bile regardless, wonder why? Re some of the above comments, some thoughts, maybe the offers to buy after Bassini took over were from Simpson, or the salad boy's, Ashcroft wouldn't sell to the Russo boy's so that ruled them out and I guess Simpson would need more money to be a player and neither would have really got past the boards approval on their history (asset stripping may be a better cause on our past owners but short memory's and that), as for Bassini's money who cares were it is from, it stopped the club going into administration, it has enabled us to trade players, it looks like we will be staying in the Championship and that we can put a team on the pitch that can look very good even against a Premiership team and for me it is worth my money to support and continued clapping, because I am a realist to what we are about and doing not a fantasist!
zzzzz you still on here! amazing as no one listens to you! I will be there today supporting as i do every week as for you dont forgot your Blanket and Flask!

rogeruk says...
12:42pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Fan's opinions swing wildly from hero to villain and back again.

Here's some advice:

Don't trust anyone unless you know they can be trusted.

Don't get sucked in by spin be it from
the government your football club or any company . Remember they are looking after their interest not yours!

Don't think like an accountant they are dealers in history they know what has happened they can't tell you what will happen visionaries do that accountants don't have vision.

Successful people in life have vision they use it to:
1. Make money
2. Make things better
3. Avoid risks having weighed up the facts.
4.Avoid people who tell you what is good for you or say they know better.

Challenge everything - it is your human right.

Always except personal responsibility for what you do

Don't believe anybody who wants your money until you have checked them out yourself.

If you want to do something think about what could happen after you have done it - if you are not sure don't do it if you are sure go ahead.

Keep all this mind when deciding about the people who run your football club.

cliff46 says...
1:17pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Lutondown
Have just seen your note and appreciate your comments.
I have enjoyed following you as you progressively worked your way toward your hat eating adventure.
It just goes to prove that even rugby fans are not all bad!

lutondown says...
2:07pm Sat 4 Feb 12

cliff46 wrote:
Lutondown
Have just seen your note and appreciate your comments.
I have enjoyed following you as you progressively worked your way toward your hat eating adventure.
It just goes to prove that even rugby fans are not all bad!
Thing is Cluff
I've got one of those hats that just won't stay down!
Will be willing the Golden boys on from a distance!
Watford and England to win, the perfect win double for me

Cleverhornet says...
11:08pm Sat 4 Feb 12

What more can you say about Bas (or Baz or Mr everyone is an idiot apart from him) lol.

I haven't read the recent articles here, but if you analyse the feedback just on this article, you see two types of people. The people who hate Baz and secondly, Baz under loads of names.

I by chance happened to see where Baz lives (only because one of his neighbours happens to be a close friend) I must say I couldn't stop laughing. Seeing his Bentley parked up outside his house (or should I call it a shack) confirms one thing - this guy definately does not have the money to buy a football club.. Lol.

Seems all the good players are getting sold, good people leaving, GT not happy, empty promises about this and that getting done, oh and I forgot, a pub renovation!!!

Baz stop messing around. Hurry up and make Watford bankrupt and you have company number 11 under your belt.

I just hope no fraud has been committed here knowing how close you are with your solicitors...

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