Gianfranco Zola believes there 'wasn't a big difference between Watford and Man City' despite 3-0 defeat

Watford Observer: Watford boss Gianfranco Zola worked with Mario Balotelli at international level. Picture: Action Images Watford boss Gianfranco Zola worked with Mario Balotelli at international level. Picture: Action Images

Watford head coach Gianfranco Zola believes there was not a “big difference” between his side and Manchester City this afternoon and claims the 3-0 scoreline was “unfair” on the Hornets.

City named an almost full-strength team at the Etihad Stadium and Roberto Mancini’s side were relatively comfortable throughout.

The Sky Blues opened the scoring midway through the first half through a Carlos Tevez free kick and then doubled their lead shortly before the break, when poor defending contributed to Gareth Barry doubling the advantage with a header.

A third goal came in injury time of the second half as substitute Marcos Lopes scored with a rebound after Jonathan Bond had saved the initial effort.

But Zola said: “It is ok because during the game you could not spot a big difference [between the two teams]. Don’t take me the wrong way, they deserved to win but my team played quality football and it was quite entertaining. It was quite dangerous for them as well.”

Watford made six changes to their starting line-up. Zola confirmed Jonathan Hogg, Manuel Almunia and Almen Abdi all missed the game through injury, as did Fitz Hall, and stressed “that was the best team I could put out”.

The Italian stated Tommie Hoban was rested because he was “totally exhausted” after the midweek defeat to Charlton Athletic and needed a rest.

Watford handed Bond just his third start for the club and the 19-year-old didn’t disappoint as he made several decent saves.

Zola said: “Jonathan Bond did very well and I told him not to be disappointed by the three goals he conceded. He did well and it was a mature performance.

“I am pleased because he is another young player who is doing well for us and it is encouraging for all of us. We put a lot of faith in the young players and they are doing well for us.”

Zola believes this defeat, at a sold-out Etihad Stadium against the English champions, will benefit his young players in the long run.

He added: “This was a brilliant game for their education. We came here and I didn’t put too much expectancy on the players because it would be impossible to stop them from creating chances but I wanted us to cause problems whenever the opportunities arose and we did that.

“I told them to learn from these better players if they want to become better and I am sure my players will get a lot from this.”

Moments after Tevez opened the scoring, Fernando Forestieri was put through one-on-one only to see his effort saved by City goalkeeper Costel Pantilimon.

When asked if things would have been different had Forestieri equalised, Zola replied: “What-ifs do not exist in football. But considering he is such a good player, I was expecting Fernando to do a bit better but I can’t blame him. Normally Fernando is good [in those positions] and the goalkeeper stood up quite well. It is a pity.

“Even if we had scored there, maybe we would have lost the game but there wouldn’t have been the same difference at the end because I think the scoreline was a little unfair to us. I admit they deserved to win but not by that score.”

He continued: “In the second half we had a couple of opportunities on the break where we could have scored through Troy Deeney and Matej Vydra. We had our opportunities to score, like I was expecting, but unfortunately we didn’t finish them as well as we normally do and in the end they scored. I was expecting them to score again because I know how good they are.”

There were 6,000 Watford fans at the Etihad Stadium. Zola said: "They were fantastic. We really tried to give them something to shout about. I hope they enjoyed themselves and I’m looking forward to seeing them again very soon.”

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6:58pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Harrydownunder says...

Now for promotion
Now for promotion Harrydownunder

7:10pm Sat 5 Jan 13

mile high ron says...

At least we wont meet looton in the next round...
At least we wont meet looton in the next round... mile high ron

7:36pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

mile high ron wrote:
At least we wont meet looton in the next round...
Beating the non-leaguers by 6 or 7 would have been great. Now is the time to play them while there is such a gulf between the 2 teams.
[quote][p][bold]mile high ron[/bold] wrote: At least we wont meet looton in the next round...[/p][/quote]Beating the non-leaguers by 6 or 7 would have been great. Now is the time to play them while there is such a gulf between the 2 teams. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

7:39pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Watfordwes says...

Good day out, good learning curve for Zola and players.

A couple struggled albeit in very lofty company. Others really impressed, chalobah, Ekstrand, doyley and vydra all did very well.

Forestieri did not track his man and showed gulf between prem and championship. Although looked lively at times.

Eustace off the pace which is understandable and booking did not help him. But his pass completion needed to be higher and he slowed our counter attacking at times.

Ps was Hogg really injured or is there something to the Ipswich rumours?
Good day out, good learning curve for Zola and players. A couple struggled albeit in very lofty company. Others really impressed, chalobah, Ekstrand, doyley and vydra all did very well. Forestieri did not track his man and showed gulf between prem and championship. Although looked lively at times. Eustace off the pace which is understandable and booking did not help him. But his pass completion needed to be higher and he slowed our counter attacking at times. Ps was Hogg really injured or is there something to the Ipswich rumours? Watfordwes

7:39pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied.
Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

7:40pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Watfordwes wrote:
Good day out, good learning curve for Zola and players.

A couple struggled albeit in very lofty company. Others really impressed, chalobah, Ekstrand, doyley and vydra all did very well.

Forestieri did not track his man and showed gulf between prem and championship. Although looked lively at times.

Eustace off the pace which is understandable and booking did not help him. But his pass completion needed to be higher and he slowed our counter attacking at times.

Ps was Hogg really injured or is there something to the Ipswich rumours?
snap !
[quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: Good day out, good learning curve for Zola and players. A couple struggled albeit in very lofty company. Others really impressed, chalobah, Ekstrand, doyley and vydra all did very well. Forestieri did not track his man and showed gulf between prem and championship. Although looked lively at times. Eustace off the pace which is understandable and booking did not help him. But his pass completion needed to be higher and he slowed our counter attacking at times. Ps was Hogg really injured or is there something to the Ipswich rumours?[/p][/quote]snap ! Mickey Quinn, not so thin

7:48pm Sat 5 Jan 13

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied.
Hope this is not true!

But Watford will always be a selling club.........Fact :(
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied.[/p][/quote]Hope this is not true! But Watford will always be a selling club.........Fact :( YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!

7:51pm Sat 5 Jan 13

CARDIFFHORN says...

So I presume that gets rid of the poser can Vydra & FF play together?
So I presume that gets rid of the poser can Vydra & FF play together? CARDIFFHORN

7:58pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Mohandas says...

A good pay day is manna from heaven for the rainy days. On with business ie the league.
A good pay day is manna from heaven for the rainy days. On with business ie the league. Mohandas

8:03pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Harrydownunder says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
mile high ron wrote: At least we wont meet looton in the next round...
Beating the non-leaguers by 6 or 7 would have been great. Now is the time to play them while there is such a gulf between the 2 teams.
We would have a bit of fun too!
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mile high ron[/bold] wrote: At least we wont meet looton in the next round...[/p][/quote]Beating the non-leaguers by 6 or 7 would have been great. Now is the time to play them while there is such a gulf between the 2 teams.[/p][/quote]We would have a bit of fun too! Harrydownunder

8:09pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Travelling Hornet says...

Without Abdi we were always going to struggle!
Zola will bring in more quality this month......I hope.
Without Abdi we were always going to struggle! Zola will bring in more quality this month......I hope. Travelling Hornet

8:24pm Sat 5 Jan 13

philthehorn says...

where has the rumour that Hogg is off to Ipswich come from? Why would he want to leave when have chance of play offs and has been a regular in the side
where has the rumour that Hogg is off to Ipswich come from? Why would he want to leave when have chance of play offs and has been a regular in the side philthehorn

8:26pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Watfordwes says...

philthehorn wrote:
where has the rumour that Hogg is off to Ipswich come from? Why would he want to leave when have chance of play offs and has been a regular in the side
I don't know the origins but I know mick McCarthy was very keep on him as wolves manager before he got the sack!
[quote][p][bold]philthehorn[/bold] wrote: where has the rumour that Hogg is off to Ipswich come from? Why would he want to leave when have chance of play offs and has been a regular in the side[/p][/quote]I don't know the origins but I know mick McCarthy was very keep on him as wolves manager before he got the sack! Watfordwes

9:00pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

mile high ron wrote:
At least we wont meet looton in the next round...
What? I was hoping we would!
[quote][p][bold]mile high ron[/bold] wrote: At least we wont meet looton in the next round...[/p][/quote]What? I was hoping we would! Eastsussexhornet

9:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied.
Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied.[/p][/quote]Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned. Eastsussexhornet

9:31pm Sat 5 Jan 13

givemwatfor says...

Eastsussexhornet says...
9:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13

"Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned."


Fortunately for Watford FC you are not 'concerned' - the decision will rest with people who know what they are talking about.
Eastsussexhornet says... 9:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13 "Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned." Fortunately for Watford FC you are not 'concerned' - the decision will rest with people who know what they are talking about. givemwatfor

9:43pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Hornet1970 says...

Just got back our fans were brillint. Bond did well and if fernando had taken the chance may have been different. Not a massive difference between sides hogg massive miss dont believe crap about him being injured.
Just got back our fans were brillint. Bond did well and if fernando had taken the chance may have been different. Not a massive difference between sides hogg massive miss dont believe crap about him being injured. Hornet1970

10:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

Don't understand GFZ's comments - we were massively second best and created **** all. No disgrace against a team which cost £220m but nonetheless,was a bit of a wake up call.

And we missed Abdi and Hogg hugely - if eustace is the answer, I am not sure what the question is - he cannot pass the ball more than 3 feet and even then he hits it too hard / too soft (delete as applicable)
Don't understand GFZ's comments - we were massively second best and created **** all. No disgrace against a team which cost £220m but nonetheless,was a bit of a wake up call. And we missed Abdi and Hogg hugely - if eustace is the answer, I am not sure what the question is - he cannot pass the ball more than 3 feet and even then he hits it too hard / too soft (delete as applicable) onion8837

10:18pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Chariots says...

Really enjoyed the Etihad today. 6000 hornets expecting the Zola revolution to continue. Even though city were deserved winners, we played good football and a style that has not been associated with us. There are ways to lose a footy match and I can stomach the way we lost today. We can hold our heads up high.
Zola got selection spot on today. When feeling weak and defensive of mind most people resort to safe decisions. Playing Lloyd,nos and eustace were safe but also the right decisions. If this had been a normal league match I think Zola would have been brave and not played these Watford stalwarts. All 3 were worthy of there selection. Next weeks selection should be interesting. Hall,abdi, Hogg and Hoban all available. What options we have.
We did not pass the ball quick enough today to cause city problems which means we still need more quality in squad. We prob competed like a prem mid table team today but they have players with perm experience which we still lack. Abdi sorely missed today.
If we get a million for Hogg we should take it. Hogg doesn't pass the ball well enough to be a top prem player, if we want to stay in prem he will surely be a squad player. Eustace on today's display can easily do his role in championship until we can unearth a better replacement. Higgs money can be used to pay for abdi,vydra,fessi etc.
eustace might have his knockers but his central role, enabled chalabah to display his passing ability today. He did a lot of donkey work. On today's showing I thought our best performers were Lloyd, chalabah, vydra and ekstrand. Eustace a little slow but easily good enough in championship. A learning curve today but I'm not too disheartened by the result. I still believe automatic promotion is obtainable. Come on you horns.
P.s if fessi could finish he would have made a real name for himself today. If only those chances had fell to vydra.
Really enjoyed the Etihad today. 6000 hornets expecting the Zola revolution to continue. Even though city were deserved winners, we played good football and a style that has not been associated with us. There are ways to lose a footy match and I can stomach the way we lost today. We can hold our heads up high. Zola got selection spot on today. When feeling weak and defensive of mind most people resort to safe decisions. Playing Lloyd,nos and eustace were safe but also the right decisions. If this had been a normal league match I think Zola would have been brave and not played these Watford stalwarts. All 3 were worthy of there selection. Next weeks selection should be interesting. Hall,abdi, Hogg and Hoban all available. What options we have. We did not pass the ball quick enough today to cause city problems which means we still need more quality in squad. We prob competed like a prem mid table team today but they have players with perm experience which we still lack. Abdi sorely missed today. If we get a million for Hogg we should take it. Hogg doesn't pass the ball well enough to be a top prem player, if we want to stay in prem he will surely be a squad player. Eustace on today's display can easily do his role in championship until we can unearth a better replacement. Higgs money can be used to pay for abdi,vydra,fessi etc. eustace might have his knockers but his central role, enabled chalabah to display his passing ability today. He did a lot of donkey work. On today's showing I thought our best performers were Lloyd, chalabah, vydra and ekstrand. Eustace a little slow but easily good enough in championship. A learning curve today but I'm not too disheartened by the result. I still believe automatic promotion is obtainable. Come on you horns. P.s if fessi could finish he would have made a real name for himself today. If only those chances had fell to vydra. Chariots

10:23pm Sat 5 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

Chariots wrote:
Really enjoyed the Etihad today. 6000 hornets expecting the Zola revolution to continue. Even though city were deserved winners, we played good football and a style that has not been associated with us. There are ways to lose a footy match and I can stomach the way we lost today. We can hold our heads up high.
Zola got selection spot on today. When feeling weak and defensive of mind most people resort to safe decisions. Playing Lloyd,nos and eustace were safe but also the right decisions. If this had been a normal league match I think Zola would have been brave and not played these Watford stalwarts. All 3 were worthy of there selection. Next weeks selection should be interesting. Hall,abdi, Hogg and Hoban all available. What options we have.
We did not pass the ball quick enough today to cause city problems which means we still need more quality in squad. We prob competed like a prem mid table team today but they have players with perm experience which we still lack. Abdi sorely missed today.
If we get a million for Hogg we should take it. Hogg doesn't pass the ball well enough to be a top prem player, if we want to stay in prem he will surely be a squad player. Eustace on today's display can easily do his role in championship until we can unearth a better replacement. Higgs money can be used to pay for abdi,vydra,fessi etc.
eustace might have his knockers but his central role, enabled chalabah to display his passing ability today. He did a lot of donkey work. On today's showing I thought our best performers were Lloyd, chalabah, vydra and ekstrand. Eustace a little slow but easily good enough in championship. A learning curve today but I'm not too disheartened by the result. I still believe automatic promotion is obtainable. Come on you horns.
P.s if fessi could finish he would have made a real name for himself today. If only those chances had fell to vydra.
Totally disagree - we missed Hogg and Eustace was a poor replacement and is also about 10 years older. Don't understand the logic of getting rid of a younger player who can do the job and keeping an older player who can't
[quote][p][bold]Chariots[/bold] wrote: Really enjoyed the Etihad today. 6000 hornets expecting the Zola revolution to continue. Even though city were deserved winners, we played good football and a style that has not been associated with us. There are ways to lose a footy match and I can stomach the way we lost today. We can hold our heads up high. Zola got selection spot on today. When feeling weak and defensive of mind most people resort to safe decisions. Playing Lloyd,nos and eustace were safe but also the right decisions. If this had been a normal league match I think Zola would have been brave and not played these Watford stalwarts. All 3 were worthy of there selection. Next weeks selection should be interesting. Hall,abdi, Hogg and Hoban all available. What options we have. We did not pass the ball quick enough today to cause city problems which means we still need more quality in squad. We prob competed like a prem mid table team today but they have players with perm experience which we still lack. Abdi sorely missed today. If we get a million for Hogg we should take it. Hogg doesn't pass the ball well enough to be a top prem player, if we want to stay in prem he will surely be a squad player. Eustace on today's display can easily do his role in championship until we can unearth a better replacement. Higgs money can be used to pay for abdi,vydra,fessi etc. eustace might have his knockers but his central role, enabled chalabah to display his passing ability today. He did a lot of donkey work. On today's showing I thought our best performers were Lloyd, chalabah, vydra and ekstrand. Eustace a little slow but easily good enough in championship. A learning curve today but I'm not too disheartened by the result. I still believe automatic promotion is obtainable. Come on you horns. P.s if fessi could finish he would have made a real name for himself today. If only those chances had fell to vydra.[/p][/quote]Totally disagree - we missed Hogg and Eustace was a poor replacement and is also about 10 years older. Don't understand the logic of getting rid of a younger player who can do the job and keeping an older player who can't onion8837

10:24pm Sat 5 Jan 13

dominicfoleyisgod says...

Eustace was awful. I would have Hogg in there over him every day. Hogg is younger, fitter and puts in a lot more miles. Estate was still attempting the hopeful chips which were gobbled up by the city defence. Definitely missed abdi.
Elkstrand did well and I though bond made some great saves for a young lad.
Some positives and a good learning curve to show players how much more is needed.
Hope some of these fans can be at boro and forest.
Now for the promotion bid !
Eustace was awful. I would have Hogg in there over him every day. Hogg is younger, fitter and puts in a lot more miles. Estate was still attempting the hopeful chips which were gobbled up by the city defence. Definitely missed abdi. Elkstrand did well and I though bond made some great saves for a young lad. Some positives and a good learning curve to show players how much more is needed. Hope some of these fans can be at boro and forest. Now for the promotion bid ! dominicfoleyisgod

10:27pm Sat 5 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

dominicfoleyisgod wrote:
Eustace was awful. I would have Hogg in there over him every day. Hogg is younger, fitter and puts in a lot more miles. Estate was still attempting the hopeful chips which were gobbled up by the city defence. Definitely missed abdi.
Elkstrand did well and I though bond made some great saves for a young lad.
Some positives and a good learning curve to show players how much more is needed.
Hope some of these fans can be at boro and forest.
Now for the promotion bid !
Yup
[quote][p][bold]dominicfoleyisgod[/bold] wrote: Eustace was awful. I would have Hogg in there over him every day. Hogg is younger, fitter and puts in a lot more miles. Estate was still attempting the hopeful chips which were gobbled up by the city defence. Definitely missed abdi. Elkstrand did well and I though bond made some great saves for a young lad. Some positives and a good learning curve to show players how much more is needed. Hope some of these fans can be at boro and forest. Now for the promotion bid ![/p][/quote]Yup onion8837

10:34pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Oldhorn says...

onion8837 wrote:
Don't understand GFZ's comments - we were massively second best and created **** all. No disgrace against a team which cost £220m but nonetheless,was a bit of a wake up call.

And we missed Abdi and Hogg hugely - if eustace is the answer, I am not sure what the question is - he cannot pass the ball more than 3 feet and even then he hits it too hard / too soft (delete as applicable)
Quite agree onion. Our opponents were streets ahead of us (no suprise) and could have stepped up a gear at any time. We did our best, but were completely outclassed. No, disgrace, but you're right.....a definate wake up call.

I'll be at Middlesborough next week...look forward to seeing all you plastics there. ( My guess is more like 400)
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: Don't understand GFZ's comments - we were massively second best and created **** all. No disgrace against a team which cost £220m but nonetheless,was a bit of a wake up call. And we missed Abdi and Hogg hugely - if eustace is the answer, I am not sure what the question is - he cannot pass the ball more than 3 feet and even then he hits it too hard / too soft (delete as applicable)[/p][/quote]Quite agree onion. Our opponents were streets ahead of us (no suprise) and could have stepped up a gear at any time. We did our best, but were completely outclassed. No, disgrace, but you're right.....a definate wake up call. I'll be at Middlesborough next week...look forward to seeing all you plastics there. ( My guess is more like 400) Oldhorn

10:40pm Sat 5 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied.
Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned.
Then should possibly watch the game, the whole game and also check our results without Hogg this season. He does a massive amount of grunge work which allows the rest of the team to play.

Letting him go would be a big mistake
[quote][p][bold]Eastsussexhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Lots of speculation about Hogg possibly leaving. He's fit but rested vs charlton and then develops a mystery hamstring injury, presumably during training, which prevents him being cuptied.[/p][/quote]Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned.[/p][/quote]Then should possibly watch the game, the whole game and also check our results without Hogg this season. He does a massive amount of grunge work which allows the rest of the team to play. Letting him go would be a big mistake onion8837

10:48pm Sat 5 Jan 13

WessexLad says...

Shame GZ didn't start Nos v Charlton and rest Hoban for that game. Still the defence coped better than I expected, whilst it was the attack that disappointed.
Shame GZ didn't start Nos v Charlton and rest Hoban for that game. Still the defence coped better than I expected, whilst it was the attack that disappointed. WessexLad

11:01pm Sat 5 Jan 13

D.unstable says...

Let's not get too down following our exit today, firstly we were playing against probably the most expensive squad in the world and secondly we were unfortunate that over the past week we have lost the very backbone of our best starting eleven in Almunia, Hall and Abdi to injury.

A couple of points worth mentioning in that I have never been amongst such a quiet 6000 fans, although we did not have too much to cheer, hardly the 12th man were we. Take a look at yourselves and think could I have helped make a bit of atmosphere or was I too busy admiring the lottery funded stadia? A much better atmosphere was made at Charlton away with 1000.

As far as today's performance, considering how much we missed the above mentioned. For me Nosworthy was my MOTM, and by far the standout especially being his first match for several months. Bond did the best you could have hoped from such an inexperienced young keeper and should be very proud of himself. I thought that we did show a little too much respect at times and often did not press them when in possession. Forrest when one on one should have done better but despite his undoubted stacks of talent, his shooting is the one area that is currently lacking, a pity that opportunity didn't fall to Vydra.

I think that this will at least bring it home to a few that we still have a lot of work to do, but as they say we can now concentrate on the league and with a bit of strengthening I think we can keep in those play off places.

Finally anyone wanting us to end up in an out of town stadium should take a look at how soulless that place was around the ground, other than Tony's chip shop across the road which did very nice chips and curry sauce, the place was a 5hit hole.

Nothing to be ashamed of today but now back to business.
Let's not get too down following our exit today, firstly we were playing against probably the most expensive squad in the world and secondly we were unfortunate that over the past week we have lost the very backbone of our best starting eleven in Almunia, Hall and Abdi to injury. A couple of points worth mentioning in that I have never been amongst such a quiet 6000 fans, although we did not have too much to cheer, hardly the 12th man were we. Take a look at yourselves and think could I have helped make a bit of atmosphere or was I too busy admiring the lottery funded stadia? A much better atmosphere was made at Charlton away with 1000. As far as today's performance, considering how much we missed the above mentioned. For me Nosworthy was my MOTM, and by far the standout especially being his first match for several months. Bond did the best you could have hoped from such an inexperienced young keeper and should be very proud of himself. I thought that we did show a little too much respect at times and often did not press them when in possession. Forrest when one on one should have done better but despite his undoubted stacks of talent, his shooting is the one area that is currently lacking, a pity that opportunity didn't fall to Vydra. I think that this will at least bring it home to a few that we still have a lot of work to do, but as they say we can now concentrate on the league and with a bit of strengthening I think we can keep in those play off places. Finally anyone wanting us to end up in an out of town stadium should take a look at how soulless that place was around the ground, other than Tony's chip shop across the road which did very nice chips and curry sauce, the place was a 5hit hole. Nothing to be ashamed of today but now back to business. D.unstable

11:10pm Sat 5 Jan 13

NorthHertsHornet28 says...

Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!!
Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!! NorthHertsHornet28

11:26pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Travelling Hornet says...

Talking to a couple of City fans after the match , they thought Nos was awesome and Chalobah was like Yaya Toure, couldn't believe his age when I told them.
Talking to a couple of City fans after the match , they thought Nos was awesome and Chalobah was like Yaya Toure, couldn't believe his age when I told them. Travelling Hornet

11:26pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Terry Dactile says...

The amount of times people on here criticise people in a merciless way first game back after a long injury is completely astounding. IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF SEVEN GAMES TO GET MATCH FIT!!!!!!!! Eustace has been an excellent servant to this club and a fit Captain in the middle would have made huge difference in a number of matches this season. Look at the Charlton game! As for Doyley he was excellent before injury as part of the 3 at the back. Some people on here are so ignorant about the game. We won't play another team anywhere near Cities class again this season, so we move on.
The amount of times people on here criticise people in a merciless way first game back after a long injury is completely astounding. IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF SEVEN GAMES TO GET MATCH FIT!!!!!!!! Eustace has been an excellent servant to this club and a fit Captain in the middle would have made huge difference in a number of matches this season. Look at the Charlton game! As for Doyley he was excellent before injury as part of the 3 at the back. Some people on here are so ignorant about the game. We won't play another team anywhere near Cities class again this season, so we move on. Terry Dactile

11:30pm Sat 5 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

Eustace was awful, couldn't tackle and cost us the first goal, nor could he pass along the ground. Should of been taken off at half time. Got to get rid of him forgetting sentimental value as he doesn't suit our style.

Moment of the match was lloydinho absolutely rinsing David silva with a quality flick turn, we'd better watch out for a prem team coming in for him in the transfer window.
Eustace was awful, couldn't tackle and cost us the first goal, nor could he pass along the ground. Should of been taken off at half time. Got to get rid of him forgetting sentimental value as he doesn't suit our style. Moment of the match was lloydinho absolutely rinsing David silva with a quality flick turn, we'd better watch out for a prem team coming in for him in the transfer window. GianlucaVialli the better italian

11:38pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Essex Hornet says...

A good effort by the lads but If Forestieri had scored and we had taken the other half chances it could have all been so different. Yes Eustace was a bit off the pace but that was only to be expected after so long out. Bond had a great game and kept us in it. His save from Balotelli was superb.
There may have been 6000 of us up there but was it just me who was dissapointed with the lack of singing once we went behind. Well done to all the lads in section 213 who kept on singing for the boys right till the end. We really should be making more noise when there are so many of us.
Now we can focus on staying in the top six and oushing for p
romotion.
A good effort by the lads but If Forestieri had scored and we had taken the other half chances it could have all been so different. Yes Eustace was a bit off the pace but that was only to be expected after so long out. Bond had a great game and kept us in it. His save from Balotelli was superb. There may have been 6000 of us up there but was it just me who was dissapointed with the lack of singing once we went behind. Well done to all the lads in section 213 who kept on singing for the boys right till the end. We really should be making more noise when there are so many of us. Now we can focus on staying in the top six and oushing for p romotion. Essex Hornet

11:52pm Sat 5 Jan 13

ThatMollyMalone says...

The Manchester United chants were embarrassing. "Who the eff do you support?" from the city fans was about right.
The Manchester United chants were embarrassing. "Who the eff do you support?" from the city fans was about right. ThatMollyMalone

11:56pm Sat 5 Jan 13

D.unstable says...

Essex Hornet wrote:
A good effort by the lads but If Forestieri had scored and we had taken the other half chances it could have all been so different. Yes Eustace was a bit off the pace but that was only to be expected after so long out. Bond had a great game and kept us in it. His save from Balotelli was superb.
There may have been 6000 of us up there but was it just me who was dissapointed with the lack of singing once we went behind. Well done to all the lads in section 213 who kept on singing for the boys right till the end. We really should be making more noise when there are so many of us.
Now we can focus on staying in the top six and oushing for p
romotion.
Was in 213 myself and other than the dozen or so guys the rest of the upper tier was silent.
[quote][p][bold]Essex Hornet[/bold] wrote: A good effort by the lads but If Forestieri had scored and we had taken the other half chances it could have all been so different. Yes Eustace was a bit off the pace but that was only to be expected after so long out. Bond had a great game and kept us in it. His save from Balotelli was superb. There may have been 6000 of us up there but was it just me who was dissapointed with the lack of singing once we went behind. Well done to all the lads in section 213 who kept on singing for the boys right till the end. We really should be making more noise when there are so many of us. Now we can focus on staying in the top six and oushing for p romotion.[/p][/quote]Was in 213 myself and other than the dozen or so guys the rest of the upper tier was silent. D.unstable

12:00am Sun 6 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

Terry Dactile wrote:
The amount of times people on here criticise people in a merciless way first game back after a long injury is completely astounding. IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF SEVEN GAMES TO GET MATCH FIT!!!!!!!! Eustace has been an excellent servant to this club and a fit Captain in the middle would have made huge difference in a number of matches this season. Look at the Charlton game! As for Doyley he was excellent before injury as part of the 3 at the back. Some people on here are so ignorant about the game. We won't play another team anywhere near Cities class again this season, so we move on.
Agree. Just glad Eustace is back. Didn't care much about this game. Good practice for him
[quote][p][bold]Terry Dactile[/bold] wrote: The amount of times people on here criticise people in a merciless way first game back after a long injury is completely astounding. IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF SEVEN GAMES TO GET MATCH FIT!!!!!!!! Eustace has been an excellent servant to this club and a fit Captain in the middle would have made huge difference in a number of matches this season. Look at the Charlton game! As for Doyley he was excellent before injury as part of the 3 at the back. Some people on here are so ignorant about the game. We won't play another team anywhere near Cities class again this season, so we move on.[/p][/quote]Agree. Just glad Eustace is back. Didn't care much about this game. Good practice for him Bush Hornet

12:07am Sun 6 Jan 13

Travelling Hornet says...

About the singing we seemed to have lost the togetherness and don't have a 'default' chant, apart from the feeble Yellow Army, we need a zigger zagger ( I'm showing my age) character ,we need someone to orchastrate the singing .
The trouble with having so many fans , is the singers are in small groups, spead out like the home games.
At league away games and having a lot less fans the atmosphere is more intimate and the chant can be heard and sung by everyone.
Through years of drab football our support has dwindled and with it the skill of chanting .
About the singing we seemed to have lost the togetherness and don't have a 'default' chant, apart from the feeble Yellow Army, we need a zigger zagger ( I'm showing my age) character ,we need someone to orchastrate the singing . The trouble with having so many fans , is the singers are in small groups, spead out like the home games. At league away games and having a lot less fans the atmosphere is more intimate and the chant can be heard and sung by everyone. Through years of drab football our support has dwindled and with it the skill of chanting . Travelling Hornet

12:22am Sun 6 Jan 13

Somerset'Orn says...

Sadly I couldn't go to the game today because I was working.
I think the league is definately priority now, and I genuinely think we could push for automatic promotion.
I went to see the Millwall game, and I haven't seen Watford play that style of football and I was really impressed with what I saw. Zola's obviously doing a spiffing job.
Being my debut comment, hopefully I wont get lambasted for this but in all honesty, Watford's home "singing" is non-existant.
Tagged along to Swansea vs Utd t'other week and the singing from the home fans was continuous pre, during and post match. Genuinely think if we had something a bit more unique than "Yellow" and got the crowd going, the players might ramp it up another level.
On a side note, I've been rather impressed by Vydra. If he stays with us (and I may be behind the times, as somebody told me a bunch of them are), genuinely think he could become a Watford great. Still that's just my opinion.
Sadly I couldn't go to the game today because I was working. I think the league is definately priority now, and I genuinely think we could push for automatic promotion. I went to see the Millwall game, and I haven't seen Watford play that style of football and I was really impressed with what I saw. Zola's obviously doing a spiffing job. Being my debut comment, hopefully I wont get lambasted for this but in all honesty, Watford's home "singing" is non-existant. Tagged along to Swansea vs Utd t'other week and the singing from the home fans was continuous pre, during and post match. Genuinely think if we had something a bit more unique than "Yellow" and got the crowd going, the players might ramp it up another level. On a side note, I've been rather impressed by Vydra. If he stays with us (and I may be behind the times, as somebody told me a bunch of them are), genuinely think he could become a Watford great. Still that's just my opinion. Somerset'Orn

12:23am Sun 6 Jan 13

Somerset'Orn says...

I also apologise for the continued use of "genuinely" in that last post too!
I also apologise for the continued use of "genuinely" in that last post too! Somerset'Orn

12:25am Sun 6 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
About the singing we seemed to have lost the togetherness and don't have a 'default' chant, apart from the feeble Yellow Army, we need a zigger zagger ( I'm showing my age) character ,we need someone to orchastrate the singing .
The trouble with having so many fans , is the singers are in small groups, spead out like the home games.
At league away games and having a lot less fans the atmosphere is more intimate and the chant can be heard and sung by everyone.
Through years of drab football our support has dwindled and with it the skill of chanting .
That's why we need unallocated seats
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: About the singing we seemed to have lost the togetherness and don't have a 'default' chant, apart from the feeble Yellow Army, we need a zigger zagger ( I'm showing my age) character ,we need someone to orchastrate the singing . The trouble with having so many fans , is the singers are in small groups, spead out like the home games. At league away games and having a lot less fans the atmosphere is more intimate and the chant can be heard and sung by everyone. Through years of drab football our support has dwindled and with it the skill of chanting .[/p][/quote]That's why we need unallocated seats Bush Hornet

12:57am Sun 6 Jan 13

Summer breeze says...

Thought Bond did a great job, but sadly, John Eustace did not fit the team we have now. Missed Hogg. Well done lads, had a great day out in Manchester! Fans in lower tier were great (row P where I was, very noisy) Let's keep improving for a different outcome next time we meet. COYH.
Thought Bond did a great job, but sadly, John Eustace did not fit the team we have now. Missed Hogg. Well done lads, had a great day out in Manchester! Fans in lower tier were great (row P where I was, very noisy) Let's keep improving for a different outcome next time we meet. COYH. Summer breeze

1:07am Sun 6 Jan 13

D.unstable says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
About the singing we seemed to have lost the togetherness and don't have a 'default' chant, apart from the feeble Yellow Army, we need a zigger zagger ( I'm showing my age) character ,we need someone to orchastrate the singing .
The trouble with having so many fans , is the singers are in small groups, spead out like the home games.
At league away games and having a lot less fans the atmosphere is more intimate and the chant can be heard and sung by everyone.
Through years of drab football our support has dwindled and with it the skill of chanting .
That's why we need unallocated seats
Agree, the year the Vic lost any atmosphere was the year the home support was moved from unallocated seating in the Vicarage road end to allocated seating in the rookery, has to change.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: About the singing we seemed to have lost the togetherness and don't have a 'default' chant, apart from the feeble Yellow Army, we need a zigger zagger ( I'm showing my age) character ,we need someone to orchastrate the singing . The trouble with having so many fans , is the singers are in small groups, spead out like the home games. At league away games and having a lot less fans the atmosphere is more intimate and the chant can be heard and sung by everyone. Through years of drab football our support has dwindled and with it the skill of chanting .[/p][/quote]That's why we need unallocated seats[/p][/quote]Agree, the year the Vic lost any atmosphere was the year the home support was moved from unallocated seating in the Vicarage road end to allocated seating in the rookery, has to change. D.unstable

1:12am Sun 6 Jan 13

BarryEndean says...

I don't buy all the criticism of Eustace. It was his his first game since early August for goodness sake, against the Premiership champions. Playing Forestieri with Vydra and Deeney put extra pressure on the midfield and, personally, I thought Eustace put in a decent shift trying to break up City's marauding play. Disappointing that we seemed to fade in the last quarter of an hour and couldn't muster a consolation goal. We looked totally out on our feet. I thought Bia looked quite lively, though, when he came on as sub.
I don't buy all the criticism of Eustace. It was his his first game since early August for goodness sake, against the Premiership champions. Playing Forestieri with Vydra and Deeney put extra pressure on the midfield and, personally, I thought Eustace put in a decent shift trying to break up City's marauding play. Disappointing that we seemed to fade in the last quarter of an hour and couldn't muster a consolation goal. We looked totally out on our feet. I thought Bia looked quite lively, though, when he came on as sub. BarryEndean

1:23am Sun 6 Jan 13

Summer breeze says...

I like my seat in The Rookery, 9x rows from the front (no rain unless exceptional wind in one direction). Not willing to give it up!
I like my seat in The Rookery, 9x rows from the front (no rain unless exceptional wind in one direction). Not willing to give it up! Summer breeze

5:43am Sun 6 Jan 13

Boosey says...

Hogg plays = crap. Hogg not playing = We miss him.
Eustace plays = crap. Eustace not playing = We miss him.
600 away supporters = not good enough.
6000 away supporters = very quiet, better when only a few go.
If someone has an opinion please stick with it, if someone disagrees with you, so what! Don't change it to please others.
Personally, both above players are always missed when not playing and if I wasn't working yesterday would possibly have travelled to watch game.
Would I go to other away games on a regular basis? No, because I can't afford to and will pick and choose with my little spare cash.
As for singing home supporters, give them middle section, unreserved seating in Rookery.
Over the years we have had some **** owners but the team has always given it's best, I am sure the players read these comments, so be positive towards them. I'd rather support our yo yo team than any other.
Rant over!
Hogg plays = crap. Hogg not playing = We miss him. Eustace plays = crap. Eustace not playing = We miss him. 600 away supporters = not good enough. 6000 away supporters = very quiet, better when only a few go. If someone has an opinion please stick with it, if someone disagrees with you, so what! Don't change it to please others. Personally, both above players are always missed when not playing and if I wasn't working yesterday would possibly have travelled to watch game. Would I go to other away games on a regular basis? No, because I can't afford to and will pick and choose with my little spare cash. As for singing home supporters, give them middle section, unreserved seating in Rookery. Over the years we have had some **** owners but the team has always given it's best, I am sure the players read these comments, so be positive towards them. I'd rather support our yo yo team than any other. Rant over! Boosey

7:59am Sun 6 Jan 13

tiger bay says...

Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..
Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on.. tiger bay

8:46am Sun 6 Jan 13

Boosey says...

tiger bay wrote:
Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..
Although we lost, and reading write ups on different websites, your post seems to mirror what actually happened yesterday. Good post.
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..[/p][/quote]Although we lost, and reading write ups on different websites, your post seems to mirror what actually happened yesterday. Good post. Boosey

8:54am Sun 6 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

tiger bay wrote:
Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..
Agreed with most of this but hate the term dead wood when talking about our players. Next person to use the term is a plank! (did u see what I did there?)
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..[/p][/quote]Agreed with most of this but hate the term dead wood when talking about our players. Next person to use the term is a plank! (did u see what I did there?) Bush Hornet

8:59am Sun 6 Jan 13

Boosey says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
tiger bay wrote:
Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..
Agreed with most of this but hate the term dead wood when talking about our players. Next person to use the term is a plank! (did u see what I did there?)
LOL Looking forward to finding out who the plank will be!
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..[/p][/quote]Agreed with most of this but hate the term dead wood when talking about our players. Next person to use the term is a plank! (did u see what I did there?)[/p][/quote]LOL Looking forward to finding out who the plank will be! Boosey

9:33am Sun 6 Jan 13

theturpster says...

Need to get shot of the dead wood..
Need to get shot of the dead wood.. theturpster

9:36am Sun 6 Jan 13

theturpster says...

PS that was just a touch of humour, don't quote me on that ;-)
PS that was just a touch of humour, don't quote me on that ;-) theturpster

10:03am Sun 6 Jan 13

Oracledave says...

NorthHertsHornet28 wrote:
Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!!
It is gratifying to see a balanced comment amongst a remoursless torrent of utter nonsense.

Eustace was one of our best players consistently last season - his performance against Spurs in the cup was majestic. Not only can he play the holding role he also performs in both boxes - how many goals did he score last term 6 ? 7?.

The point about Hogg having ten years on JE is a fair one, but he has a distance to go to achieve a similar level of contribution.
[quote][p][bold]NorthHertsHornet28[/bold] wrote: Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!![/p][/quote]It is gratifying to see a balanced comment amongst a remoursless torrent of utter nonsense. Eustace was one of our best players consistently last season - his performance against Spurs in the cup was majestic. Not only can he play the holding role he also performs in both boxes - how many goals did he score last term 6 ? 7?. The point about Hogg having ten years on JE is a fair one, but he has a distance to go to achieve a similar level of contribution. Oracledave

10:12am Sun 6 Jan 13

Holly68 says...

Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January.

Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now !
Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now ! Holly68

10:31am Sun 6 Jan 13

MJ1 says...

NorthHertsHornet28 wrote:
Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!!
There was a lot of talk las season about whether Hog and Eusace could play in the same side as they duplicated eachother. In fact much of our success in the second half of last season was with Hogg playing deep in front of the back four and Eustace playing further forward (and occasionally scoring) We need Hogg for his ability to break up play and keep the pressure off defence and Eustace for his leadership qualities - which we have lacked at times this season.
[quote][p][bold]NorthHertsHornet28[/bold] wrote: Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!![/p][/quote]There was a lot of talk las season about whether Hog and Eusace could play in the same side as they duplicated eachother. In fact much of our success in the second half of last season was with Hogg playing deep in front of the back four and Eustace playing further forward (and occasionally scoring) We need Hogg for his ability to break up play and keep the pressure off defence and Eustace for his leadership qualities - which we have lacked at times this season. MJ1

10:49am Sun 6 Jan 13

AngelHornet says...

How about Neuton taking over from Pudil for the second half. Good or bad?
How about Neuton taking over from Pudil for the second half. Good or bad? AngelHornet

11:12am Sun 6 Jan 13

bigthunder says...

Holly68 wrote:
Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now !
Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember ,

Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals

Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions
that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game !

Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous !

Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !!

Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager !

Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper !

cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ?

time to get back on track
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now ![/p][/quote]Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember , Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game ! Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous ! Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !! Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager ! Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper ! cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ? time to get back on track bigthunder

11:26am Sun 6 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

Didnt think our support was that bad, I was in upper and thought we gave it some. But was ashamed of our supporters chanting UTD ! now that was pathetic.
Agree with most of posts on how the game played out, just thought we never quite had any sustained pressure and Fessi needs to stay behind with vydra and work on his finishing.
onwards and upwards a lot of our Championship rivals have got replays to contend with so that should work in our favor also .
Didnt think our support was that bad, I was in upper and thought we gave it some. But was ashamed of our supporters chanting UTD ! now that was pathetic. Agree with most of posts on how the game played out, just thought we never quite had any sustained pressure and Fessi needs to stay behind with vydra and work on his finishing. onwards and upwards a lot of our Championship rivals have got replays to contend with so that should work in our favor also . KeithMercer

11:34am Sun 6 Jan 13

Murder in the Vicarage says...

2 good posts, raising some fair points regarding the lack of noise from the travelling 6000 - as an exiled Hornet of over 25 years, I was in amongst the Man City season tickets, in the Colin Bell stand and could judge the noise.

It was good support but I have been in the middle of 600 fans at other away grounds making more noise. However, it was fantastic to see the whole of the away end full and predominantly yellow. And plenty of Watford fans in Manchester City Centre earlier, in new and old shirts!

GFZ's comment isn't accurate - there was £200m's worth of difference but it was closer than the scoreline suggests. The key was Fernando Forestieri's opportunity on 30 minutes - if that had gone in, it could have persuaded the players into believing City could be got at. As it was, the fact that the first 15 minutes had been played in and around the Watford penalty area had shellshocked the players and the fans, imho.

Thought Jonathan Bond was good shot stopper, brave and came out well. Chabolah sheer class, but should have been more proactive and was this a John Eustace cameo appearance? Looked it to me.

And no one has mentioned that the Watford Mascots won the half time game 3-1. Oh and yes, the Utd chant was uncalled for, but it led the City fans into doing a Poznan, which added to the day.

At the end of the day, staying in the top 6 was and is more important than a phoney cup run!
2 good posts, raising some fair points regarding the lack of noise from the travelling 6000 - as an exiled Hornet of over 25 years, I was in amongst the Man City season tickets, in the Colin Bell stand and could judge the noise. It was good support but I have been in the middle of 600 fans at other away grounds making more noise. However, it was fantastic to see the whole of the away end full and predominantly yellow. And plenty of Watford fans in Manchester City Centre earlier, in new and old shirts! GFZ's comment isn't accurate - there was £200m's worth of difference but it was closer than the scoreline suggests. The key was Fernando Forestieri's opportunity on 30 minutes - if that had gone in, it could have persuaded the players into believing City could be got at. As it was, the fact that the first 15 minutes had been played in and around the Watford penalty area had shellshocked the players and the fans, imho. Thought Jonathan Bond was good shot stopper, brave and came out well. Chabolah sheer class, but should have been more proactive and was this a John Eustace cameo appearance? Looked it to me. And no one has mentioned that the Watford Mascots won the half time game 3-1. Oh and yes, the Utd chant was uncalled for, but it led the City fans into doing a Poznan, which added to the day. At the end of the day, staying in the top 6 was and is more important than a phoney cup run! Murder in the Vicarage

11:56am Sun 6 Jan 13

allgood says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Didnt think our support was that bad, I was in upper and thought we gave it some. But was ashamed of our supporters chanting UTD ! now that was pathetic.
Agree with most of posts on how the game played out, just thought we never quite had any sustained pressure and Fessi needs to stay behind with vydra and work on his finishing.
onwards and upwards a lot of our Championship rivals have got replays to contend with so that should work in our favor also .
Too much of our support recently has been negative. Goading opposition fans instead of backing our side. I cringe when you're not singing any more starts as that's the cue for the other side to score as with Charlton on Tuesday.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Didnt think our support was that bad, I was in upper and thought we gave it some. But was ashamed of our supporters chanting UTD ! now that was pathetic. Agree with most of posts on how the game played out, just thought we never quite had any sustained pressure and Fessi needs to stay behind with vydra and work on his finishing. onwards and upwards a lot of our Championship rivals have got replays to contend with so that should work in our favor also .[/p][/quote]Too much of our support recently has been negative. Goading opposition fans instead of backing our side. I cringe when you're not singing any more starts as that's the cue for the other side to score as with Charlton on Tuesday. allgood

11:59am Sun 6 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

PS
Pleased to see Fatty Mctosh got the result his disrespect deserved !!
PS Pleased to see Fatty Mctosh got the result his disrespect deserved !! KeithMercer

12:05pm Sun 6 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

Oracledave wrote:
NorthHertsHornet28 wrote:
Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!!
It is gratifying to see a balanced comment amongst a remoursless torrent of utter nonsense.

Eustace was one of our best players consistently last season - his performance against Spurs in the cup was majestic. Not only can he play the holding role he also performs in both boxes - how many goals did he score last term 6 ? 7?.

The point about Hogg having ten years on JE is a fair one, but he has a distance to go to achieve a similar level of contribution.
"last season" is the key to that post - 12 months on and after back surgery, Eustace is only going to get worse, irrespectove of the complete overhaul of our playing staff and style.

Loyalty is all well and good, but there comes a time....

The most stupid saying in sport is "Form is temporary but class is permanent". If that was true, Bobby Charlton would still be playing for England.. Age gets to everyone and its time to let Eustace go, irrespective of what he was like, how good a servant to the club he has been, etc etc
[quote][p][bold]Oracledave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NorthHertsHornet28[/bold] wrote: Hogg and Eustace are very similar players, they play the same role, they are in the team to be disruptive and destroy/break up opposition attacks and play the simple ball to the other ball carrying midfielders i.e. Chalobah/Abdi. Eustace is still a decent Championship player and I would favour him over Hogg due to his experience, leadership and passing ability, an older head mixed in with the younger players will be beneficial, i.e.. someone to have a word/or put an arm round fernando when he's sulking because he hasn't got the decision etc. Hogg is a solid player and I hope the rumours aren't true, I just think Eustace has more to offer between now and the end of season. Just because he didn't have the best game against the champions of England, doesn't mean he's past it, because remember we DO NOT play teams of Manchester City's caliber week in week out...not yet anyway!![/p][/quote]It is gratifying to see a balanced comment amongst a remoursless torrent of utter nonsense. Eustace was one of our best players consistently last season - his performance against Spurs in the cup was majestic. Not only can he play the holding role he also performs in both boxes - how many goals did he score last term 6 ? 7?. The point about Hogg having ten years on JE is a fair one, but he has a distance to go to achieve a similar level of contribution.[/p][/quote]"last season" is the key to that post - 12 months on and after back surgery, Eustace is only going to get worse, irrespectove of the complete overhaul of our playing staff and style. Loyalty is all well and good, but there comes a time.... The most stupid saying in sport is "Form is temporary but class is permanent". If that was true, Bobby Charlton would still be playing for England.. Age gets to everyone and its time to let Eustace go, irrespective of what he was like, how good a servant to the club he has been, etc etc onion8837

12:19pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Boosey wrote:
Hogg plays = crap. Hogg not playing = We miss him.
Eustace plays = crap. Eustace not playing = We miss him.
600 away supporters = not good enough.
6000 away supporters = very quiet, better when only a few go.
If someone has an opinion please stick with it, if someone disagrees with you, so what! Don't change it to please others.
Personally, both above players are always missed when not playing and if I wasn't working yesterday would possibly have travelled to watch game.
Would I go to other away games on a regular basis? No, because I can't afford to and will pick and choose with my little spare cash.
As for singing home supporters, give them middle section, unreserved seating in Rookery.
Over the years we have had some **** owners but the team has always given it's best, I am sure the players read these comments, so be positive towards them. I'd rather support our yo yo team than any other.
Rant over!
That's because your a proper fan. Jump in with me to away games, that'll make it more affordable.
Ticket focus group starts soon, unreserved seating and pay on day a priority?
It seems now I'm reading players are to be condemned after one or two indifferent games? Potty!
I weren't at Etihad so can't comment but was at most away games where we've had 400-1000 best, and the atmosphere great, perhaps it's the fair weather variety that have taken the vows of silence!
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: Hogg plays = crap. Hogg not playing = We miss him. Eustace plays = crap. Eustace not playing = We miss him. 600 away supporters = not good enough. 6000 away supporters = very quiet, better when only a few go. If someone has an opinion please stick with it, if someone disagrees with you, so what! Don't change it to please others. Personally, both above players are always missed when not playing and if I wasn't working yesterday would possibly have travelled to watch game. Would I go to other away games on a regular basis? No, because I can't afford to and will pick and choose with my little spare cash. As for singing home supporters, give them middle section, unreserved seating in Rookery. Over the years we have had some **** owners but the team has always given it's best, I am sure the players read these comments, so be positive towards them. I'd rather support our yo yo team than any other. Rant over![/p][/quote]That's because your a proper fan. Jump in with me to away games, that'll make it more affordable. Ticket focus group starts soon, unreserved seating and pay on day a priority? It seems now I'm reading players are to be condemned after one or two indifferent games? Potty! I weren't at Etihad so can't comment but was at most away games where we've had 400-1000 best, and the atmosphere great, perhaps it's the fair weather variety that have taken the vows of silence! lutondown

12:30pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Taxidermist says...

Watfordwes wrote:
philthehorn wrote:
where has the rumour that Hogg is off to Ipswich come from? Why would he want to leave when have chance of play offs and has been a regular in the side
I don't know the origins but I know mick McCarthy was very keep on him as wolves manager before he got the sack!
It was on the 'Football Rumours' website a couple of days ago.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]philthehorn[/bold] wrote: where has the rumour that Hogg is off to Ipswich come from? Why would he want to leave when have chance of play offs and has been a regular in the side[/p][/quote]I don't know the origins but I know mick McCarthy was very keep on him as wolves manager before he got the sack![/p][/quote]It was on the 'Football Rumours' website a couple of days ago. Taxidermist

12:32pm Sun 6 Jan 13

gilesy97 says...

Holly68 wrote:
Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January.

Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now !
Not going to comment on support , as I don't sing at away games despite actually attending 90% of them. Glad to see , Holly , that your re-thinking about the "new Messi" ..who I have said all along is at the very least inconsistent , and not my type of player at all. Yesterday , basically , we were hammered. We didn't get in their faces at all. Forget the score ( defeat was always going to happen) but we didn't look up for it right from the start. That was as disappointing of a performance from a Watford team for ages considering this is the "new dawn", and that includes the manager who just seems to be the new "tinkerman". Bond , Nosworthy , Doyley ( defensively) and Eustace the pick..suprisingly none match fit but looked far better than others.
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now ![/p][/quote]Not going to comment on support , as I don't sing at away games despite actually attending 90% of them. Glad to see , Holly , that your re-thinking about the "new Messi" ..who I have said all along is at the very least inconsistent , and not my type of player at all. Yesterday , basically , we were hammered. We didn't get in their faces at all. Forget the score ( defeat was always going to happen) but we didn't look up for it right from the start. That was as disappointing of a performance from a Watford team for ages considering this is the "new dawn", and that includes the manager who just seems to be the new "tinkerman". Bond , Nosworthy , Doyley ( defensively) and Eustace the pick..suprisingly none match fit but looked far better than others. gilesy97

12:40pm Sun 6 Jan 13

hornet88 says...

There's a lot of people on here moaning about the united chants yesterday (you must of been very quiet yourself else you wouldn't of heard them) but when city fans start winding us up why is it a 'disgrace' to have a pop back at them? They started the 'lut*n give us a song' chant well before any of the united chants. The disgrace was all those who rushed to get the 6000 tickets and kept stum and didn't support our team one bit. No I'm not a united fan but think that a bit of banter at football is enjoyable so long as we don't go as far as he'll stamp on your face
There's a lot of people on here moaning about the united chants yesterday (you must of been very quiet yourself else you wouldn't of heard them) but when city fans start winding us up why is it a 'disgrace' to have a pop back at them? They started the 'lut*n give us a song' chant well before any of the united chants. The disgrace was all those who rushed to get the 6000 tickets and kept stum and didn't support our team one bit. No I'm not a united fan but think that a bit of banter at football is enjoyable so long as we don't go as far as he'll stamp on your face hornet88

12:40pm Sun 6 Jan 13

stevyweavy says...

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
Eustace was awful, couldn't tackle and cost us the first goal, nor could he pass along the ground. Should of been taken off at half time. Got to get rid of him forgetting sentimental value as he doesn't suit our style.

Moment of the match was lloydinho absolutely rinsing David silva with a quality flick turn, we'd better watch out for a prem team coming in for him in the transfer window.
Absolute rubbish. He got the ball with his tackle so should not have had a free kick. The fault with the goal once the free kick was given was with the wall. If the wall had stood firm the ball would not have gone in the net. Did well considering his time out and the result may have been different if we had our shooting boots on. Man City deserved the win but we held our heads up high and worried them on ocassions.
[quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: Eustace was awful, couldn't tackle and cost us the first goal, nor could he pass along the ground. Should of been taken off at half time. Got to get rid of him forgetting sentimental value as he doesn't suit our style. Moment of the match was lloydinho absolutely rinsing David silva with a quality flick turn, we'd better watch out for a prem team coming in for him in the transfer window.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. He got the ball with his tackle so should not have had a free kick. The fault with the goal once the free kick was given was with the wall. If the wall had stood firm the ball would not have gone in the net. Did well considering his time out and the result may have been different if we had our shooting boots on. Man City deserved the win but we held our heads up high and worried them on ocassions. stevyweavy

12:47pm Sun 6 Jan 13

CARDIFFHORN says...

KeithMercer wrote:
PS
Pleased to see Fatty Mctosh got the result his disrespect deserved !!
Agree with this but alas he has got his priorities right, previous seasons they enjoyed cup runs which upset Lge form, it won't this time!!
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: PS Pleased to see Fatty Mctosh got the result his disrespect deserved !![/p][/quote]Agree with this but alas he has got his priorities right, previous seasons they enjoyed cup runs which upset Lge form, it won't this time!! CARDIFFHORN

12:49pm Sun 6 Jan 13

stevyweavy says...

AngelHornet wrote:
How about Neuton taking over from Pudil for the second half. Good or bad?
Actually it did seem to work and Neuton's flare on the ball worked in our favour with him not being in the crucial back 3 positions and his defensive qualities seem to be better suited to breaking down Man City's attacks down that side which was surprising. If he can be consistent we might see him have a few games in that position.
[quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: How about Neuton taking over from Pudil for the second half. Good or bad?[/p][/quote]Actually it did seem to work and Neuton's flare on the ball worked in our favour with him not being in the crucial back 3 positions and his defensive qualities seem to be better suited to breaking down Man City's attacks down that side which was surprising. If he can be consistent we might see him have a few games in that position. stevyweavy

12:52pm Sun 6 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but
COYH,S
Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but COYH,S KeithMercer

1:07pm Sun 6 Jan 13

gilesy97 says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but
COYH,S
I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but COYH,S[/p][/quote]I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing. gilesy97

1:22pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

gilesy97 wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but
COYH,S
I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing.
And a team that lost four of its best players to injury. But then that I suppose is GFZs fault.
Jesus wept
[quote][p][bold]gilesy97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but COYH,S[/p][/quote]I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing.[/p][/quote]And a team that lost four of its best players to injury. But then that I suppose is GFZs fault. Jesus wept lutondown

1:28pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

lutondown wrote:
gilesy97 wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but
COYH,S
I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing.
And a team that lost four of its best players to injury. But then that I suppose is GFZs fault.
Jesus wept
So it was a great result, the perfect team selection, roared on by a vociferous 6,000 support, and anyone who disagrees is a "negative numpty" ? No-one has said we wont achieve the play-offs. Just a few comments questioning formation, tactics and how much noise the supporters made. Isn't that allowed ?
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilesy97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but COYH,S[/p][/quote]I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing.[/p][/quote]And a team that lost four of its best players to injury. But then that I suppose is GFZs fault. Jesus wept[/p][/quote]So it was a great result, the perfect team selection, roared on by a vociferous 6,000 support, and anyone who disagrees is a "negative numpty" ? No-one has said we wont achieve the play-offs. Just a few comments questioning formation, tactics and how much noise the supporters made. Isn't that allowed ? Mickey Quinn, not so thin

1:41pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
lutondown wrote:
gilesy97 wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but
COYH,S
I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing.
And a team that lost four of its best players to injury. But then that I suppose is GFZs fault.
Jesus wept
So it was a great result, the perfect team selection, roared on by a vociferous 6,000 support, and anyone who disagrees is a "negative numpty" ? No-one has said we wont achieve the play-offs. Just a few comments questioning formation, tactics and how much noise the supporters made. Isn't that allowed ?
Hey that's a bit off. Just because your new year diet never works don't get grumpy.
The fans? Don't surprise me, as there were 5000 fair weather fans. The game can't comment, but I did see several regulars were out through injury, which is my comment. And I do not think that GFZ had too much choice in selection.
I haven't mentioned play offs so can't see where your coming from there. But as you did we sit sixth, I'll take that for now.
And Quinn it was not a great result, losing never is, but not one that should be taken out of context in my opinion.
And that is my point. I commented on someone's post. You commented on mine. Surely that's fair do?
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilesy97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Oh gawd ! all the negative numptys coming out in force now. We get beat by the Champions f England and its all doom and despair !. I am off now to bury my head in the sand and wont be back until there is something positive to talk about . I know you wont miss me but COYH,S[/p][/quote]I don't see how being realistic about yesterday , makes it negative . We were outclassed by a better team , but showed very little for a team in a play -off position , and that's what's disappointing.[/p][/quote]And a team that lost four of its best players to injury. But then that I suppose is GFZs fault. Jesus wept[/p][/quote]So it was a great result, the perfect team selection, roared on by a vociferous 6,000 support, and anyone who disagrees is a "negative numpty" ? No-one has said we wont achieve the play-offs. Just a few comments questioning formation, tactics and how much noise the supporters made. Isn't that allowed ?[/p][/quote]Hey that's a bit off. Just because your new year diet never works don't get grumpy. The fans? Don't surprise me, as there were 5000 fair weather fans. The game can't comment, but I did see several regulars were out through injury, which is my comment. And I do not think that GFZ had too much choice in selection. I haven't mentioned play offs so can't see where your coming from there. But as you did we sit sixth, I'll take that for now. And Quinn it was not a great result, losing never is, but not one that should be taken out of context in my opinion. And that is my point. I commented on someone's post. You commented on mine. Surely that's fair do? lutondown

2:01pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

Glad everyone's disappointed about losing to one of the strongest teams in the world. Expectations rising. Maybe the quality and quantity of support will too.
Glad everyone's disappointed about losing to one of the strongest teams in the world. Expectations rising. Maybe the quality and quantity of support will too. Bush Hornet

2:03pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone...
GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us..
We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth..
We are not ready to be promoted...
I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..
Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone... GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us.. We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth.. We are not ready to be promoted... I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola.. Hampshire hornet

2:06pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Not happened all season.. Bloody I pad
Not happened all season.. Bloody I pad Hampshire hornet

2:06pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Not happened all season.. Bloody I pad
Not happened all season.. Bloody I pad Hampshire hornet

2:09pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone...
GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us..
We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth..
We are not ready to be promoted...
I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..
Still be interesting to see what January brings. You're right this team isn't the done deal, it has a rich vein of unfinished youth that certainly could be.
I still think we're in with a shout this year, and we'd reinforce if promoted. But if not, at least this season will have seen some very good football and the start of what hopefully becomes a new footballing philosophy cemented.
We do need the stand built. The fans do need to do their bit ( hard mind as we all seem to hate each other).
Looking forward to seeing the 6000 army at Boro Saturday!
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone... GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us.. We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth.. We are not ready to be promoted... I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..[/p][/quote]Still be interesting to see what January brings. You're right this team isn't the done deal, it has a rich vein of unfinished youth that certainly could be. I still think we're in with a shout this year, and we'd reinforce if promoted. But if not, at least this season will have seen some very good football and the start of what hopefully becomes a new footballing philosophy cemented. We do need the stand built. The fans do need to do their bit ( hard mind as we all seem to hate each other). Looking forward to seeing the 6000 army at Boro Saturday! lutondown

2:23pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time!
Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time! Hampshire hornet

2:28pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Guy Bov says...

Lot's of unfounded negativity on this board in my view
Man City are the champions and fielded a strong team. Even in our glory days in the 1980's we never ever looked like getting anything out of games in the north west and yesterday was no different.
We are lucky to have great new owners and not have to worry about selling our best players merely to survive in the transfer window.
Lets get behind the team and enjoy the ride

.
Lot's of unfounded negativity on this board in my view Man City are the champions and fielded a strong team. Even in our glory days in the 1980's we never ever looked like getting anything out of games in the north west and yesterday was no different. We are lucky to have great new owners and not have to worry about selling our best players merely to survive in the transfer window. Lets get behind the team and enjoy the ride . Guy Bov

2:31pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time!
Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com
Bless
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time![/p][/quote]Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com Bless lutondown

2:59pm Sun 6 Jan 13

philthehorn says...

anyone got any suggestions as to the players that are termed "dead wood" and need to get rid of?
anyone got any suggestions as to the players that are termed "dead wood" and need to get rid of? philthehorn

3:06pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Boosey wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
tiger bay wrote:
Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..
Agreed with most of this but hate the term dead wood when talking about our players. Next person to use the term is a plank! (did u see what I did there?)
LOL Looking forward to finding out who the plank will be!
I volunteer. Deadwood. Deadwood. Deadwood. Now I feel like a bad person for upsetting you and becoming a born again plank.
;-(
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: Sure we were outclassed but get real...City are the Premiership Champions!! Many positives to take from this....Quality performances from Bond, Nosworthy, Ekstrand and Vydra... Nat Chalobah and Nando Forestieri not looking at all outta place until they ran out of steam. Downside?? Zola's tactics..Pudil hopelessly exposed and outnumbered by the system, should of immediately switched to a 4-5-1. I suspect the 'words' Pudil had with Zola on the half way line on about 30 mins was the reason he was subbed. Deeneys 1st touch was worse than awful and it was grossly unfair for Zola to put Capt. John in at the deep end where he was always goin to struggle with the mobility of world class players. Doyley had his best game of the season..not difficult by his standards and Ginger Bia and Pistachio showed glimpses of real class..All in all a great experience..just need to clear out all the dead wood now and bring in 2 quality replacements and the play-offs will be nailed on..[/p][/quote]Agreed with most of this but hate the term dead wood when talking about our players. Next person to use the term is a plank! (did u see what I did there?)[/p][/quote]LOL Looking forward to finding out who the plank will be![/p][/quote]I volunteer. Deadwood. Deadwood. Deadwood. Now I feel like a bad person for upsetting you and becoming a born again plank. ;-( lutondown

3:07pm Sun 6 Jan 13

philthehorn says...

anyone got any suggestions as to the players that are termed "dead wood" and need to get rid of?
anyone got any suggestions as to the players that are termed "dead wood" and need to get rid of? philthehorn

3:10pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>Watford head coach Gianfranco Zola believes there was not a “big difference” between his side and Manchester City this afternoon and claims the 3-0 scoreline was “unfair” on the Hornets. City named an almost full-strength team at the Etihad Stadium and Roberto Mancini’s side were relatively comfortable throughout.<

Isn't the whole point encompassed in the second sentence and the reference to "relatively comfortable"? There clearly is a considerable gulf between the top tier of English football, the Premiership, and what I still prefer to call the Second Division, i.e. the Championship, whatever the FA and Football League may choose to call it.

Three-nil in my book IS a big difference!

Still, as I've said before, the cockeyed, blind optimism of football fans for their favourite team does afford the rest of us neutrals much amusement.

Even if Watford do somehow manage to go up at the end of the season - and with the possibility of deducted points looming because of the financial irregularities caused by the previous owner this is highly debatable - you can put money on the bookies making them hot favourites to go straight back down. Watford will always be what I call a yo-yo club, a bit like Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesborough, Birmingham City, Wolves, QPR and Crystal Palace and a few others I could mention. I doubt they will ever again hit the giddy heights they did under GT's managership. British football now belongs to a tiny number of super-rich clubs and the rest are just making up the numbers, which is a great tragedy in my opinion. I much preferred football when the likes of Burnley, Nottingham Forest, Derby County and even Ipswich could be champions. Doesn't anyone else wish for those nostalgic days when the great god MONEY didn't rule everything?
>Watford head coach Gianfranco Zola believes there was not a “big difference” between his side and Manchester City this afternoon and claims the 3-0 scoreline was “unfair” on the Hornets. City named an almost full-strength team at the Etihad Stadium and Roberto Mancini’s side were relatively comfortable throughout.< Isn't the whole point encompassed in the second sentence and the reference to "relatively comfortable"? There clearly is a considerable gulf between the top tier of English football, the Premiership, and what I still prefer to call the Second Division, i.e. the Championship, whatever the FA and Football League may choose to call it. Three-nil in my book IS a big difference! Still, as I've said before, the cockeyed, blind optimism of football fans for their favourite team does afford the rest of us neutrals much amusement. Even if Watford do somehow manage to go up at the end of the season - and with the possibility of deducted points looming because of the financial irregularities caused by the previous owner this is highly debatable - you can put money on the bookies making them hot favourites to go straight back down. Watford will always be what I call a yo-yo club, a bit like Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesborough, Birmingham City, Wolves, QPR and Crystal Palace and a few others I could mention. I doubt they will ever again hit the giddy heights they did under GT's managership. British football now belongs to a tiny number of super-rich clubs and the rest are just making up the numbers, which is a great tragedy in my opinion. I much preferred football when the likes of Burnley, Nottingham Forest, Derby County and even Ipswich could be champions. Doesn't anyone else wish for those nostalgic days when the great god MONEY didn't rule everything? Roy Stockdill

3:29pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hopemole says...

I do hate the negativity of some of our so called fans. I was at Old Trafford in the 90's after our promotion with GT and we got stuffed by Cole and company. Yesterday we faced the Premiership champions and millions of pounds of talent and we didn't look out of place. We played with cohesion and skill and had Vydra been on the end of Forestieri's chance just after they scored, it would have been 1-1 and who knows how the game might have then developed. Bond's first exposure at this kind of level in goal revealed an intelligent young man with good distribution and shot stopping skills and quick to make important decisions despite the exalted company. He couldn't be faulted with any of the goals. Nosworthy was immense in defence despite his lay off and even the Man City supporters I spoke to mentioned this. I've never been a Doyley fan, but he played well and always did the sensible and simple things thus avoiding unnecessary danger. Yes Eustace was slightly off the pace particularly with the second goal but Silva is world class and was one of the best players on the pitch. This was a return after a massive setback and he coped remarkably well and can only get better. Who are these idiots that are writing him off already? Thank God I don't work for any of them!! Chalobah showed some world class touches and was completely unphased by his first appearance at this level. You can't coach those kind of skills. If only we could sign him for two or three years.Ekstrand, Cassetti and Vydra played well, although Deeney found this quality of defending difficult to cope with not surprisingly. It was the defensive part of midfield that was lacking at this level, but we would have beaten most teams in the championship playing this quality of football. Pity Hogg wasn't given an opportunity. The first goal came because Doyley was given a mighty manhandling push out of the wall and the ball went through the gap. The ref didn't see it. I was proud of being a Watford fan and thought we made a fair bit of noise. Here's to the next game. I have total confidence in Zola and his team and agree with his comments. Thank goodness he is in charge and not some of the contributors to this blog .Bigthunder you need enlightening! Onwards and upwards in this exciting project we are privileged to be witnessing. Come on Duffman where are you? We need some real support on here! As an afterthought who makes these man of the match awards. Must have been Milner's agent. Thought he was one of the worst of their players by a mile.
I do hate the negativity of some of our so called fans. I was at Old Trafford in the 90's after our promotion with GT and we got stuffed by Cole and company. Yesterday we faced the Premiership champions and millions of pounds of talent and we didn't look out of place. We played with cohesion and skill and had Vydra been on the end of Forestieri's chance just after they scored, it would have been 1-1 and who knows how the game might have then developed. Bond's first exposure at this kind of level in goal revealed an intelligent young man with good distribution and shot stopping skills and quick to make important decisions despite the exalted company. He couldn't be faulted with any of the goals. Nosworthy was immense in defence despite his lay off and even the Man City supporters I spoke to mentioned this. I've never been a Doyley fan, but he played well and always did the sensible and simple things thus avoiding unnecessary danger. Yes Eustace was slightly off the pace particularly with the second goal but Silva is world class and was one of the best players on the pitch. This was a return after a massive setback and he coped remarkably well and can only get better. Who are these idiots that are writing him off already? Thank God I don't work for any of them!! Chalobah showed some world class touches and was completely unphased by his first appearance at this level. You can't coach those kind of skills. If only we could sign him for two or three years.Ekstrand, Cassetti and Vydra played well, although Deeney found this quality of defending difficult to cope with not surprisingly. It was the defensive part of midfield that was lacking at this level, but we would have beaten most teams in the championship playing this quality of football. Pity Hogg wasn't given an opportunity. The first goal came because Doyley was given a mighty manhandling push out of the wall and the ball went through the gap. The ref didn't see it. I was proud of being a Watford fan and thought we made a fair bit of noise. Here's to the next game. I have total confidence in Zola and his team and agree with his comments. Thank goodness he is in charge and not some of the contributors to this blog .Bigthunder you need enlightening! Onwards and upwards in this exciting project we are privileged to be witnessing. Come on Duffman where are you? We need some real support on here! As an afterthought who makes these man of the match awards. Must have been Milner's agent. Thought he was one of the worst of their players by a mile. Hopemole

3:36pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Stoney77 says...

bigthunder wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no &quot;anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now !
Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember ,

Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals

Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions
that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game !

Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous !

Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !!

Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager !

Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper !

cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ?

time to get back on track
You like a rant don't you? Are you ever happy?
Here's some thoughts on the points you raise:

You are 'surprised by the lack of criticism of Zola after the last 2 games'. That's because most people are not like you!! We lost one game in the championship (arguably the most competitive league in Europe where every week there is a result which goes against the form book/table) and this came off the back of a run of 1 defeat in 7, and then we lost against Manchester City, the REIGNING PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, both games we were missing key players through injury and yet you think Zola should be criticised? This s utterly ridiculous.
He 'picks 2 centre backs that have not played for weeks and against the premier league champions'. Ummmm well were Nos and Doyley not 2 of our best players yesterday?? Also, with Almunia not playing, Zola could not play, Bond Hoban Ekstrand and Neuton. Firstly, there is zero experience and an average age of 20 so we would have been utterly rinsed; therefore we need to bring in experienced players and Doyley and Nosworthy have both played in the premierleague and many 'big games' - so Zola made 100% the correct decision here, particularly considering Neuton was poor against Charlton and irrespective of whether Hoban needed a rest.
Last week you lament Zola for so many changes yet this week it's 'scandalous' that Geijo does not get a game??? Hmmm, a little hypocrisy there.
WE ARE 6TH IN THE LEAGUE MATE. BE HAPPY!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now ![/p][/quote]Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember , Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game ! Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous ! Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !! Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager ! Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper ! cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ? time to get back on track[/p][/quote]You like a rant don't you? Are you ever happy? Here's some thoughts on the points you raise: You are 'surprised by the lack of criticism of Zola after the last 2 games'. That's because most people are not like you!! We lost one game in the championship (arguably the most competitive league in Europe where every week there is a result which goes against the form book/table) and this came off the back of a run of 1 defeat in 7, and then we lost against Manchester City, the REIGNING PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, both games we were missing key players through injury and yet you think Zola should be criticised? This s utterly ridiculous. He 'picks 2 centre backs that have not played for weeks and against the premier league champions'. Ummmm well were Nos and Doyley not 2 of our best players yesterday?? Also, with Almunia not playing, Zola could not play, Bond Hoban Ekstrand and Neuton. Firstly, there is zero experience and an average age of 20 so we would have been utterly rinsed; therefore we need to bring in experienced players and Doyley and Nosworthy have both played in the premierleague and many 'big games' - so Zola made 100% the correct decision here, particularly considering Neuton was poor against Charlton and irrespective of whether Hoban needed a rest. Last week you lament Zola for so many changes yet this week it's 'scandalous' that Geijo does not get a game??? Hmmm, a little hypocrisy there. WE ARE 6TH IN THE LEAGUE MATE. BE HAPPY!!!! Stoney77

3:42pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Hopemole wrote:
I do hate the negativity of some of our so called fans. I was at Old Trafford in the 90's after our promotion with GT and we got stuffed by Cole and company. Yesterday we faced the Premiership champions and millions of pounds of talent and we didn't look out of place. We played with cohesion and skill and had Vydra been on the end of Forestieri's chance just after they scored, it would have been 1-1 and who knows how the game might have then developed. Bond's first exposure at this kind of level in goal revealed an intelligent young man with good distribution and shot stopping skills and quick to make important decisions despite the exalted company. He couldn't be faulted with any of the goals. Nosworthy was immense in defence despite his lay off and even the Man City supporters I spoke to mentioned this. I've never been a Doyley fan, but he played well and always did the sensible and simple things thus avoiding unnecessary danger. Yes Eustace was slightly off the pace particularly with the second goal but Silva is world class and was one of the best players on the pitch. This was a return after a massive setback and he coped remarkably well and can only get better. Who are these idiots that are writing him off already? Thank God I don't work for any of them!! Chalobah showed some world class touches and was completely unphased by his first appearance at this level. You can't coach those kind of skills. If only we could sign him for two or three years.Ekstrand, Cassetti and Vydra played well, although Deeney found this quality of defending difficult to cope with not surprisingly. It was the defensive part of midfield that was lacking at this level, but we would have beaten most teams in the championship playing this quality of football. Pity Hogg wasn't given an opportunity. The first goal came because Doyley was given a mighty manhandling push out of the wall and the ball went through the gap. The ref didn't see it. I was proud of being a Watford fan and thought we made a fair bit of noise. Here's to the next game. I have total confidence in Zola and his team and agree with his comments. Thank goodness he is in charge and not some of the contributors to this blog .Bigthunder you need enlightening! Onwards and upwards in this exciting project we are privileged to be witnessing. Come on Duffman where are you? We need some real support on here! As an afterthought who makes these man of the match awards. Must have been Milner's agent. Thought he was one of the worst of their players by a mile.
What an uplifting post. Nice one.
[quote][p][bold]Hopemole[/bold] wrote: I do hate the negativity of some of our so called fans. I was at Old Trafford in the 90's after our promotion with GT and we got stuffed by Cole and company. Yesterday we faced the Premiership champions and millions of pounds of talent and we didn't look out of place. We played with cohesion and skill and had Vydra been on the end of Forestieri's chance just after they scored, it would have been 1-1 and who knows how the game might have then developed. Bond's first exposure at this kind of level in goal revealed an intelligent young man with good distribution and shot stopping skills and quick to make important decisions despite the exalted company. He couldn't be faulted with any of the goals. Nosworthy was immense in defence despite his lay off and even the Man City supporters I spoke to mentioned this. I've never been a Doyley fan, but he played well and always did the sensible and simple things thus avoiding unnecessary danger. Yes Eustace was slightly off the pace particularly with the second goal but Silva is world class and was one of the best players on the pitch. This was a return after a massive setback and he coped remarkably well and can only get better. Who are these idiots that are writing him off already? Thank God I don't work for any of them!! Chalobah showed some world class touches and was completely unphased by his first appearance at this level. You can't coach those kind of skills. If only we could sign him for two or three years.Ekstrand, Cassetti and Vydra played well, although Deeney found this quality of defending difficult to cope with not surprisingly. It was the defensive part of midfield that was lacking at this level, but we would have beaten most teams in the championship playing this quality of football. Pity Hogg wasn't given an opportunity. The first goal came because Doyley was given a mighty manhandling push out of the wall and the ball went through the gap. The ref didn't see it. I was proud of being a Watford fan and thought we made a fair bit of noise. Here's to the next game. I have total confidence in Zola and his team and agree with his comments. Thank goodness he is in charge and not some of the contributors to this blog .Bigthunder you need enlightening! Onwards and upwards in this exciting project we are privileged to be witnessing. Come on Duffman where are you? We need some real support on here! As an afterthought who makes these man of the match awards. Must have been Milner's agent. Thought he was one of the worst of their players by a mile.[/p][/quote]What an uplifting post. Nice one. lutondown

4:29pm Sun 6 Jan 13

JohnnyBarnes says...

Not too disappointed that we went out yesterday, given the obvious gap in class (which exists even between City and the bottom half of the Prem) and the players we had out. I even think that it might work in our favour, giving a few of the new lads a taste of the next step and reminding everyone that whilst we've done very well so far, we've still got a way to go.

The Eustace-bashing above is quite frankly embarrassing though, and shows a lack of understanding on the part of a number of our fans. Football is also played with the mouth, and with Almunia and Hall out, having our captain in the middle of the pitch was crucial to us not losing our heads and getting battered. And aside even from that, he did well! Takes up good positions, breaks the play up and knows his limits; plays it easy to Chalobah or Fessi to get us moving the other way and then gets on with organising the side. Just because he doesn't beat four players and then rifle one into the top corner doesn't make him useless. Some of our supporters need to recognise the less obvious but no less important contributors to the cause. Long may his fitness continue.

Onwards and upwards from here. Absolute focus on the league, get a few of the new boys tied up for four or five years each, maybe a bit of extra defensive cover (I'm afraid that I'm not sold on Neuton at all)... and then gun it for the top two. Forza Watford.
Not too disappointed that we went out yesterday, given the obvious gap in class (which exists even between City and the bottom half of the Prem) and the players we had out. I even think that it might work in our favour, giving a few of the new lads a taste of the next step and reminding everyone that whilst we've done very well so far, we've still got a way to go. The Eustace-bashing above is quite frankly embarrassing though, and shows a lack of understanding on the part of a number of our fans. Football is also played with the mouth, and with Almunia and Hall out, having our captain in the middle of the pitch was crucial to us not losing our heads and getting battered. And aside even from that, he did well! Takes up good positions, breaks the play up and knows his limits; plays it easy to Chalobah or Fessi to get us moving the other way and then gets on with organising the side. Just because he doesn't beat four players and then rifle one into the top corner doesn't make him useless. Some of our supporters need to recognise the less obvious but no less important contributors to the cause. Long may his fitness continue. Onwards and upwards from here. Absolute focus on the league, get a few of the new boys tied up for four or five years each, maybe a bit of extra defensive cover (I'm afraid that I'm not sold on Neuton at all)... and then gun it for the top two. Forza Watford. JohnnyBarnes

4:29pm Sun 6 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

Stoney77 wrote:
bigthunder wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no &quot;anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now !
Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember ,

Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals

Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions
that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game !

Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous !

Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !!

Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager !

Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper !

cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ?

time to get back on track
You like a rant don't you? Are you ever happy?
Here's some thoughts on the points you raise:

You are 'surprised by the lack of criticism of Zola after the last 2 games'. That's because most people are not like you!! We lost one game in the championship (arguably the most competitive league in Europe where every week there is a result which goes against the form book/table) and this came off the back of a run of 1 defeat in 7, and then we lost against Manchester City, the REIGNING PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, both games we were missing key players through injury and yet you think Zola should be criticised? This s utterly ridiculous.
He 'picks 2 centre backs that have not played for weeks and against the premier league champions'. Ummmm well were Nos and Doyley not 2 of our best players yesterday?? Also, with Almunia not playing, Zola could not play, Bond Hoban Ekstrand and Neuton. Firstly, there is zero experience and an average age of 20 so we would have been utterly rinsed; therefore we need to bring in experienced players and Doyley and Nosworthy have both played in the premierleague and many 'big games' - so Zola made 100% the correct decision here, particularly considering Neuton was poor against Charlton and irrespective of whether Hoban needed a rest.
Last week you lament Zola for so many changes yet this week it's 'scandalous' that Geijo does not get a game??? Hmmm, a little hypocrisy there.
WE ARE 6TH IN THE LEAGUE MATE. BE HAPPY!!!!
Nice one Stoney and hopemole I didnt have to bury my head in the sand for too long ! at last some glass half full sort of guys with a grasp on reality.
I am not saying GFZ is beyond criticism or has never made a mistake !! but just remember guys HINDSIGHT is a wonderful thing ! unfortunately Gianfranco doesnt have this at his disposal as you so obviously DO .
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now ![/p][/quote]Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember , Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game ! Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous ! Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !! Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager ! Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper ! cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ? time to get back on track[/p][/quote]You like a rant don't you? Are you ever happy? Here's some thoughts on the points you raise: You are 'surprised by the lack of criticism of Zola after the last 2 games'. That's because most people are not like you!! We lost one game in the championship (arguably the most competitive league in Europe where every week there is a result which goes against the form book/table) and this came off the back of a run of 1 defeat in 7, and then we lost against Manchester City, the REIGNING PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, both games we were missing key players through injury and yet you think Zola should be criticised? This s utterly ridiculous. He 'picks 2 centre backs that have not played for weeks and against the premier league champions'. Ummmm well were Nos and Doyley not 2 of our best players yesterday?? Also, with Almunia not playing, Zola could not play, Bond Hoban Ekstrand and Neuton. Firstly, there is zero experience and an average age of 20 so we would have been utterly rinsed; therefore we need to bring in experienced players and Doyley and Nosworthy have both played in the premierleague and many 'big games' - so Zola made 100% the correct decision here, particularly considering Neuton was poor against Charlton and irrespective of whether Hoban needed a rest. Last week you lament Zola for so many changes yet this week it's 'scandalous' that Geijo does not get a game??? Hmmm, a little hypocrisy there. WE ARE 6TH IN THE LEAGUE MATE. BE HAPPY!!!![/p][/quote]Nice one Stoney and hopemole I didnt have to bury my head in the sand for too long ! at last some glass half full sort of guys with a grasp on reality. I am not saying GFZ is beyond criticism or has never made a mistake !! but just remember guys HINDSIGHT is a wonderful thing ! unfortunately Gianfranco doesnt have this at his disposal as you so obviously DO . KeithMercer

4:58pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

i see udinese beat Inter 3-0 today !
i see udinese beat Inter 3-0 today ! Mickey Quinn, not so thin

5:02pm Sun 6 Jan 13

gloryhornet4 says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone...
GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us..
We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth..
We are not ready to be promoted...
I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..
I am another Hampshire Hornet. I expect you may be more Lymington way with a boat, whereas I am Southampton.

I think our joke season was a learning curve. TM being nobbled early season, failing to get a contract in front of DB, NW having his career ended, and ref decisions that are made from the sound of the crowd and not what he sees. WFC were criticised by a Mirror reporter for not trying like Bradford who stayed up one more season but fell to Div 4 - a lesson there, at least WFC did not spend cash of a lost cause.

I agree going up this season is not a long term strategy to stay up, - but WFC do have a major advantage - they won't have to worry about not being able to sign players in Aug/Jan because they may be relegation candidates. That is assuming the procession of loan players continues.
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone... GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us.. We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth.. We are not ready to be promoted... I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..[/p][/quote]I am another Hampshire Hornet. I expect you may be more Lymington way with a boat, whereas I am Southampton. I think our joke season was a learning curve. TM being nobbled early season, failing to get a contract in front of DB, NW having his career ended, and ref decisions that are made from the sound of the crowd and not what he sees. WFC were criticised by a Mirror reporter for not trying like Bradford who stayed up one more season but fell to Div 4 - a lesson there, at least WFC did not spend cash of a lost cause. I agree going up this season is not a long term strategy to stay up, - but WFC do have a major advantage - they won't have to worry about not being able to sign players in Aug/Jan because they may be relegation candidates. That is assuming the procession of loan players continues. gloryhornet4

5:41pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone...
GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us..
We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth..
We are not ready to be promoted...
I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..
I am another Hampshire Hornet. I expect you may be more Lymington way with a boat, whereas I am Southampton.

I think our joke season was a learning curve. TM being nobbled early season, failing to get a contract in front of DB, NW having his career ended, and ref decisions that are made from the sound of the crowd and not what he sees. WFC were criticised by a Mirror reporter for not trying like Bradford who stayed up one more season but fell to Div 4 - a lesson there, at least WFC did not spend cash of a lost cause.

I agree going up this season is not a long term strategy to stay up, - but WFC do have a major advantage - they won't have to worry about not being able to sign players in Aug/Jan because they may be relegation candidates. That is assuming the procession of loan players continues.
Basingstoke.. Previously Bursledon..
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone... GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us.. We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth.. We are not ready to be promoted... I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..[/p][/quote]I am another Hampshire Hornet. I expect you may be more Lymington way with a boat, whereas I am Southampton. I think our joke season was a learning curve. TM being nobbled early season, failing to get a contract in front of DB, NW having his career ended, and ref decisions that are made from the sound of the crowd and not what he sees. WFC were criticised by a Mirror reporter for not trying like Bradford who stayed up one more season but fell to Div 4 - a lesson there, at least WFC did not spend cash of a lost cause. I agree going up this season is not a long term strategy to stay up, - but WFC do have a major advantage - they won't have to worry about not being able to sign players in Aug/Jan because they may be relegation candidates. That is assuming the procession of loan players continues.[/p][/quote]Basingstoke.. Previously Bursledon.. Hampshire hornet

5:50pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Just watched the whole Brighton game, thought we were very good at both ends, playing more or less our best eleven. Though Chabolah got MOM I thought Troy and Vydra were outstanding, as were the defence.
This game was one week ago, and I think it demonstrates how we have to go with this for now. When we turn it on we look awesome, when we can't field our best team we look less so, so goes the rest.
I look at the players missing yesterday Hall, Hoban, Abdi, Hogg and Almunia ( as well as Bond reportedly did) thats a big chunk missing.
These changes were enforced, I would say that if our best eleven is good and well, start them, tinker when it's not going well or the game is out of sight.
I say that with trepidation, because as pointed out to me by the learned Buckler, none of us knows what goes behind the scenes, training etc.
I've seen some pretty dire eras at the Vic, this is not one of them, so I have to be happy.
Just watched the whole Brighton game, thought we were very good at both ends, playing more or less our best eleven. Though Chabolah got MOM I thought Troy and Vydra were outstanding, as were the defence. This game was one week ago, and I think it demonstrates how we have to go with this for now. When we turn it on we look awesome, when we can't field our best team we look less so, so goes the rest. I look at the players missing yesterday Hall, Hoban, Abdi, Hogg and Almunia ( as well as Bond reportedly did) thats a big chunk missing. These changes were enforced, I would say that if our best eleven is good and well, start them, tinker when it's not going well or the game is out of sight. I say that with trepidation, because as pointed out to me by the learned Buckler, none of us knows what goes behind the scenes, training etc. I've seen some pretty dire eras at the Vic, this is not one of them, so I have to be happy. lutondown

6:00pm Sun 6 Jan 13

SMP says...

stevyweavy wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
Eustace was awful, couldn't tackle and cost us the first goal, nor could he pass along the ground. Should of been taken off at half time. Got to get rid of him forgetting sentimental value as he doesn't suit our style.

Moment of the match was lloydinho absolutely rinsing David silva with a quality flick turn, we'd better watch out for a prem team coming in for him in the transfer window.
Absolute rubbish. He got the ball with his tackle so should not have had a free kick. The fault with the goal once the free kick was given was with the wall. If the wall had stood firm the ball would not have gone in the net. Did well considering his time out and the result may have been different if we had our shooting boots on. Man City deserved the win but we held our heads up high and worried them on ocassions.
If you have the chance to look back at the first MCFC goal from the free kick, watch the shove in the back which created the 'hole' in the wall through which Tevez scored. Admittedly I didn't see it in real time only through various replays played on the mega screens, but certainly not the fault of WFC defenders breaking the wall through defensive discipline.
[quote][p][bold]stevyweavy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: Eustace was awful, couldn't tackle and cost us the first goal, nor could he pass along the ground. Should of been taken off at half time. Got to get rid of him forgetting sentimental value as he doesn't suit our style. Moment of the match was lloydinho absolutely rinsing David silva with a quality flick turn, we'd better watch out for a prem team coming in for him in the transfer window.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. He got the ball with his tackle so should not have had a free kick. The fault with the goal once the free kick was given was with the wall. If the wall had stood firm the ball would not have gone in the net. Did well considering his time out and the result may have been different if we had our shooting boots on. Man City deserved the win but we held our heads up high and worried them on ocassions.[/p][/quote]If you have the chance to look back at the first MCFC goal from the free kick, watch the shove in the back which created the 'hole' in the wall through which Tevez scored. Admittedly I didn't see it in real time only through various replays played on the mega screens, but certainly not the fault of WFC defenders breaking the wall through defensive discipline. SMP

6:24pm Sun 6 Jan 13

gloryhornet4 says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
gloryhornet4 wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone...
GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us..
We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth..
We are not ready to be promoted...
I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..
I am another Hampshire Hornet. I expect you may be more Lymington way with a boat, whereas I am Southampton.

I think our joke season was a learning curve. TM being nobbled early season, failing to get a contract in front of DB, NW having his career ended, and ref decisions that are made from the sound of the crowd and not what he sees. WFC were criticised by a Mirror reporter for not trying like Bradford who stayed up one more season but fell to Div 4 - a lesson there, at least WFC did not spend cash of a lost cause.

I agree going up this season is not a long term strategy to stay up, - but WFC do have a major advantage - they won't have to worry about not being able to sign players in Aug/Jan because they may be relegation candidates. That is assuming the procession of loan players continues.
Basingstoke.. Previously Bursledon..
Borehamwood S.Oxhey Oxford Bicester Lincoln Enfield Southampton -then after I got stuck in the snow on your beloved Basingstoke that fateful 21.12.2009 and decided to go to Malta for a couple of years and now back as a Hampshire Hornet.

Kev
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Arrrrghhhh! Reality check everyone... GFZ stated that he expects us to be challenging NEXT season for automatic promotion.. We are ahead of schedule ... Think back, this happened before as part of a 5 year plan.. What happened ? We became a bit of a EPL joke posting the lowest points total.. Thankfully that is no longer attributed to us.. We have a huge squad, we are now approaching the time where we can pick our best team.. This has happened all season .. To date.. We now have strength indepth.. We are not ready to be promoted... I thought we may squeeze a draw yesterday.. That was not their 1st team! I then felt embarrassed that a replay means a game at the Vic.... We need bigger crowds, an atmosphere,a new East stand , then In18 months time we will be promoted with a gelled team, a great stadium, vocal support ..then we will benefit from an extended spell inthe EPL..if we go up this season,it could be the end of Zola..[/p][/quote]I am another Hampshire Hornet. I expect you may be more Lymington way with a boat, whereas I am Southampton. I think our joke season was a learning curve. TM being nobbled early season, failing to get a contract in front of DB, NW having his career ended, and ref decisions that are made from the sound of the crowd and not what he sees. WFC were criticised by a Mirror reporter for not trying like Bradford who stayed up one more season but fell to Div 4 - a lesson there, at least WFC did not spend cash of a lost cause. I agree going up this season is not a long term strategy to stay up, - but WFC do have a major advantage - they won't have to worry about not being able to sign players in Aug/Jan because they may be relegation candidates. That is assuming the procession of loan players continues.[/p][/quote]Basingstoke.. Previously Bursledon..[/p][/quote]Borehamwood S.Oxhey Oxford Bicester Lincoln Enfield Southampton -then after I got stuck in the snow on your beloved Basingstoke that fateful 21.12.2009 and decided to go to Malta for a couple of years and now back as a Hampshire Hornet. Kev gloryhornet4

6:33pm Sun 6 Jan 13

francowatford says...

LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield
LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield francowatford

7:01pm Sun 6 Jan 13

gloryhornet4 says...

francowatford wrote:
LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield
Harsh on JME - club captain - who gave up an appearance clause in his contract to play and signed again when out of contract when he had offers to move. His crime is whilst we have awaited his return is he is now 33 and rising. Like Steve Palmer - a player good to have around but not against a Prem side - not his fault, no more than Fabrice Muanda for picking Watford to play at MC in the draw.
[quote][p][bold]francowatford[/bold] wrote: LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield[/p][/quote]Harsh on JME - club captain - who gave up an appearance clause in his contract to play and signed again when out of contract when he had offers to move. His crime is whilst we have awaited his return is he is now 33 and rising. Like Steve Palmer - a player good to have around but not against a Prem side - not his fault, no more than Fabrice Muanda for picking Watford to play at MC in the draw. gloryhornet4

7:12pm Sun 6 Jan 13

gloryhornet4 says...

CARDIFFHORN wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
PS
Pleased to see Fatty Mctosh got the result his disrespect deserved !!
Agree with this but alas he has got his priorities right, previous seasons they enjoyed cup runs which upset Lge form, it won't this time!!
Thanks Keith - very funny - he is as big a k**b as his namesake in Porridge.
[quote][p][bold]CARDIFFHORN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: PS Pleased to see Fatty Mctosh got the result his disrespect deserved !![/p][/quote]Agree with this but alas he has got his priorities right, previous seasons they enjoyed cup runs which upset Lge form, it won't this time!![/p][/quote]Thanks Keith - very funny - he is as big a k**b as his namesake in Porridge. gloryhornet4

7:16pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

givemwatfor wrote:
Eastsussexhornet says...
9:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13

&quot;Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned."


Fortunately for Watford FC you are not 'concerned' - the decision will rest with people who know what they are talking about.
OOOOOOH!!!
[quote][p][bold]givemwatfor[/bold] wrote: Eastsussexhornet says... 9:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13 "Never been impressed with him. He can go as far as I am concerned." Fortunately for Watford FC you are not 'concerned' - the decision will rest with people who know what they are talking about.[/p][/quote]OOOOOOH!!! Eastsussexhornet

7:34pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

francowatford wrote:
LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield
Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!!
[quote][p][bold]francowatford[/bold] wrote: LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield[/p][/quote]Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!! Mickey Quinn, not so thin

7:45pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
francowatford wrote:
LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield
Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!!
Yep he's been on holiday, the WO and the pub have missed him, profits down 15%. I assure he will be on top form in 2 weeks
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]francowatford[/bold] wrote: LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield[/p][/quote]Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!![/p][/quote]Yep he's been on holiday, the WO and the pub have missed him, profits down 15%. I assure he will be on top form in 2 weeks Hampshire hornet

7:57pm Sun 6 Jan 13

DuffmanWFC says...

I just want to put some perspective on some posts that I find daft on here!
First of all I didn't expect us to win or draw yesterday especially with Hoban, Hall, Almunia and Abdi missing! I hoped and I drempt of a slice of glory but it wasn't going to happen against a side oozing in multi million pound players!
That aside the players did there best and know what to expect if we are to go up!
On if anyone who thinks its best if we don't go up this season and preferably next... That's daft! You don't get the luxury to pick when you get promotion! You work hard to get it and if we pull it off then great coz its mega money for the next few seasons.... Even if you go down! Not wanting that but we will be stronger in this regime then on the two previous occasions!
On Eustace he is a good player who has proved his credibility over the last few seasons! It's his first game for ages and there's gonna be rustiness! On Hogg....he is another decent player and has got some undeserved criticism!
Zola did right in his selection as Lloyd and Nos both needed game time as the championship games come along quick from now on!
On Vydra and Deeney... THEY ARE our best front two and have been fantastic this season! So what it didn't go to plan against Man City... Yes Man f'ing City... The current Prem champs with £30M players on the bench!
On the fans... Well the sooner home games are un reserved seating the better or the sooner we have vocal zones the better, this way it will increase atmosphere as you will have areas of a few hundred singing rather then a dozen and this will start the signing to spread as its louder! Then more people will enjoy the Vic and maybe more will start turning up and the vocal areas will extend!
Anyway I'm off out!
I just want to put some perspective on some posts that I find daft on here! First of all I didn't expect us to win or draw yesterday especially with Hoban, Hall, Almunia and Abdi missing! I hoped and I drempt of a slice of glory but it wasn't going to happen against a side oozing in multi million pound players! That aside the players did there best and know what to expect if we are to go up! On if anyone who thinks its best if we don't go up this season and preferably next... That's daft! You don't get the luxury to pick when you get promotion! You work hard to get it and if we pull it off then great coz its mega money for the next few seasons.... Even if you go down! Not wanting that but we will be stronger in this regime then on the two previous occasions! On Eustace he is a good player who has proved his credibility over the last few seasons! It's his first game for ages and there's gonna be rustiness! On Hogg....he is another decent player and has got some undeserved criticism! Zola did right in his selection as Lloyd and Nos both needed game time as the championship games come along quick from now on! On Vydra and Deeney... THEY ARE our best front two and have been fantastic this season! So what it didn't go to plan against Man City... Yes Man f'ing City... The current Prem champs with £30M players on the bench! On the fans... Well the sooner home games are un reserved seating the better or the sooner we have vocal zones the better, this way it will increase atmosphere as you will have areas of a few hundred singing rather then a dozen and this will start the signing to spread as its louder! Then more people will enjoy the Vic and maybe more will start turning up and the vocal areas will extend! Anyway I'm off out! DuffmanWFC

7:57pm Sun 6 Jan 13

wheelsonfire says...

Shame about the result yesterday but I didn't think we played badly just come up against one of the best sides in Europe!
The most disapointing result of the weekend (and probably the whole season so far) was the Wolves one!
Completely ruined my weekend.
Shame about the result yesterday but I didn't think we played badly just come up against one of the best sides in Europe! The most disapointing result of the weekend (and probably the whole season so far) was the Wolves one! Completely ruined my weekend. wheelsonfire

7:58pm Sun 6 Jan 13

JohnnyBarnes says...

Stoney77 wrote:
bigthunder wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no &quot;anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now !
Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember ,

Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals

Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions
that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game !

Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous !

Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !!

Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager !

Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper !

cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ?

time to get back on track
You like a rant don't you? Are you ever happy?
Here's some thoughts on the points you raise:

You are 'surprised by the lack of criticism of Zola after the last 2 games'. That's because most people are not like you!! We lost one game in the championship (arguably the most competitive league in Europe where every week there is a result which goes against the form book/table) and this came off the back of a run of 1 defeat in 7, and then we lost against Manchester City, the REIGNING PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, both games we were missing key players through injury and yet you think Zola should be criticised? This s utterly ridiculous.
He 'picks 2 centre backs that have not played for weeks and against the premier league champions'. Ummmm well were Nos and Doyley not 2 of our best players yesterday?? Also, with Almunia not playing, Zola could not play, Bond Hoban Ekstrand and Neuton. Firstly, there is zero experience and an average age of 20 so we would have been utterly rinsed; therefore we need to bring in experienced players and Doyley and Nosworthy have both played in the premierleague and many 'big games' - so Zola made 100% the correct decision here, particularly considering Neuton was poor against Charlton and irrespective of whether Hoban needed a rest.
Last week you lament Zola for so many changes yet this week it's 'scandalous' that Geijo does not get a game??? Hmmm, a little hypocrisy there.
WE ARE 6TH IN THE LEAGUE MATE. BE HAPPY!!!!
We beat Brighton away: everyone's happy

Then we make (largely enforced) changes for Charlton: OH MY GOD, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S PRIORITISING THE FA CUP... WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE!

Then Zola opts not to risk key players for what is only a cup game - like Almunia, Hoban, Hall and Abdi - and we lose, like most sides, to a multi-million pound Manchester City team: OH MY GOD, WE'VE JUST BEEN UTTERLY EMBARRASSED FOR 90 MINUTES... I CAN'T BELIEVE HE HASN'T PLAYED OUR STRONGEST SIDE!!

I'm afraid the bottom line is that some idiots on here will never be happy. They weren't happy when Bassini was here, and they're not happy now that we're playing fantastic football with exciting young players under an honest manager, for owners who know the game inside out and are in it for the long haul.

Go away and support whoever wins the Premier League please.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Upper tier was very quiet and full of people who don't normally attend away games. Unreserved seating is the answer. We have an international pop star as our life president yet we have no "anthem", our songs are feeble. Too many people in awe, I just wanted to win and get in their faces. Team second best from 1st minute, City in 1st gear throughout, could've been 5 or 6 had City upped a gear. Ekstrand my MoM, but thought back 4 did well in circumstances. 1st goal wall broke, 2nd goal pathetic attempt by Pudil on Barry, third goal we didn't follow up after save. We didn't need a cup run, need to focus on league, that's why still annoyed at the Charlton defeat. Next 4 games CRUCIAL, could cement top 6 or be mid table by end January. Felt sorry for Geijo. MoM Tuesday, didn't get on today. FF very poor last two games, not sure about him now ![/p][/quote]Have to almost totally agree with this post , personally am very surprised at the lack of critiscm of Zola after last two games , won't go over Charlton again with the crazy resting of players when we did not even play as many games over xmas as others , had boxing day off remember , Then yesterday he picks 3 centre backs , two of which have not played for weeks and weeks against the premiership champions ! we were totally exposed and pudil got no help from the lazy and luxury of a player in FF , class player not for me , certainly not a team player and when had chance for his bit of personal glory was found wanting not for the first time this season , cannot score goals Then Zola brings back Eustace , again yet another player who has not played for Months this time , again against premiership champions that's 3 players who have not played for a long time thrown in in this game ! Then Vydra our out and out striker is played wide not right up front where he is lethal , totally ineffective throughout and Deeney who was in that position was nothing more than a passenger and unusually for him put in little effort ,vydra has FF chance i think we know he would score !! and how does Geijo not get a game scandalous ! Ok yes we were playing the champions , yes unlikely to win let alone draw , but as Holly says above they never had to break sweat to beat us , 6000 fans there yes , and yes accept you have to sing and support the team but when you see your team so hopelessly outclassed with a team picked to go toe to toe with them which was stupid i can understand how some fans stay quiet and as for the utd song , shame on the wfc fans who sung that pathetic !! Zola believes there was not a big difference well he is in dreamland in my opinion and very worrying if he thinks that !! , very concerned re Zola at the minute after last couple of games and his decisions , we had great momentum last saturday beating Brighton, what a difference a week makes and all down to unneccesary tinkering by the manager ! Well played to Chalobah , pure class and only player who really lived with the opposition so disapointed we did not get at them and go down fighting instead of with a whimper ! cup gone now and only makes me more annoyed at the Charlton result , stop your stupid tinkering Zola play your best team in the league , yes we had players missing , we do seem to have alot of injuries don't we , are our medical department too cautious ? time to get back on track[/p][/quote]You like a rant don't you? Are you ever happy? Here's some thoughts on the points you raise: You are 'surprised by the lack of criticism of Zola after the last 2 games'. That's because most people are not like you!! We lost one game in the championship (arguably the most competitive league in Europe where every week there is a result which goes against the form book/table) and this came off the back of a run of 1 defeat in 7, and then we lost against Manchester City, the REIGNING PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, both games we were missing key players through injury and yet you think Zola should be criticised? This s utterly ridiculous. He 'picks 2 centre backs that have not played for weeks and against the premier league champions'. Ummmm well were Nos and Doyley not 2 of our best players yesterday?? Also, with Almunia not playing, Zola could not play, Bond Hoban Ekstrand and Neuton. Firstly, there is zero experience and an average age of 20 so we would have been utterly rinsed; therefore we need to bring in experienced players and Doyley and Nosworthy have both played in the premierleague and many 'big games' - so Zola made 100% the correct decision here, particularly considering Neuton was poor against Charlton and irrespective of whether Hoban needed a rest. Last week you lament Zola for so many changes yet this week it's 'scandalous' that Geijo does not get a game??? Hmmm, a little hypocrisy there. WE ARE 6TH IN THE LEAGUE MATE. BE HAPPY!!!![/p][/quote]We beat Brighton away: everyone's happy Then we make (largely enforced) changes for Charlton: OH MY GOD, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S PRIORITISING THE FA CUP... WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE! Then Zola opts not to risk key players for what is only a cup game - like Almunia, Hoban, Hall and Abdi - and we lose, like most sides, to a multi-million pound Manchester City team: OH MY GOD, WE'VE JUST BEEN UTTERLY EMBARRASSED FOR 90 MINUTES... I CAN'T BELIEVE HE HASN'T PLAYED OUR STRONGEST SIDE!! I'm afraid the bottom line is that some idiots on here will never be happy. They weren't happy when Bassini was here, and they're not happy now that we're playing fantastic football with exciting young players under an honest manager, for owners who know the game inside out and are in it for the long haul. Go away and support whoever wins the Premier League please. JohnnyBarnes

8:07pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Not sure any one has said we embarrassed ourselves?
Duffman, my post was trying to make be point that it isn't the end of the World if we don't go up...it would be great of course... Even better with an East stand in place...
Not sure any one has said we embarrassed ourselves? Duffman, my post was trying to make be point that it isn't the end of the World if we don't go up...it would be great of course... Even better with an East stand in place... Hampshire hornet

8:19pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
francowatford wrote:
LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield
Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!!
Yep he's been on holiday, the WO and the pub have missed him, profits down 15%. I assure he will be on top form in 2 weeks
And thirsty as a hog on heat!
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]francowatford[/bold] wrote: LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield[/p][/quote]Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!![/p][/quote]Yep he's been on holiday, the WO and the pub have missed him, profits down 15%. I assure he will be on top form in 2 weeks[/p][/quote]And thirsty as a hog on heat! lutondown

8:24pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Watford head coach Gianfranco Zola believes there was not a “big difference” between his side and Manchester City this afternoon and claims the 3-0 scoreline was “unfair” on the Hornets. City named an almost full-strength team at the Etihad Stadium and Roberto Mancini’s side were relatively comfortable throughout.&lt;

Isn't the whole point encompassed in the second sentence and the reference to &quot;relatively comfortable"? There clearly is a considerable gulf between the top tier of English football, the Premiership, and what I still prefer to call the Second Division, i.e. the Championship, whatever the FA and Football League may choose to call it.

Three-nil in my book IS a big difference!

Still, as I've said before, the cockeyed, blind optimism of football fans for their favourite team does afford the rest of us neutrals much amusement.

Even if Watford do somehow manage to go up at the end of the season - and with the possibility of deducted points looming because of the financial irregularities caused by the previous owner this is highly debatable - you can put money on the bookies making them hot favourites to go straight back down. Watford will always be what I call a yo-yo club, a bit like Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesborough, Birmingham City, Wolves, QPR and Crystal Palace and a few others I could mention. I doubt they will ever again hit the giddy heights they did under GT's managership. British football now belongs to a tiny number of super-rich clubs and the rest are just making up the numbers, which is a great tragedy in my opinion. I much preferred football when the likes of Burnley, Nottingham Forest, Derby County and even Ipswich could be champions. Doesn't anyone else wish for those nostalgic days when the great god MONEY didn't rule everything?
Burnley? You're even older than the 99 years I had you down as. Did you frame your telegram from HM?
You are now Roy Flintstone
Yabbadabbadoo
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Watford head coach Gianfranco Zola believes there was not a “big difference” between his side and Manchester City this afternoon and claims the 3-0 scoreline was “unfair” on the Hornets. City named an almost full-strength team at the Etihad Stadium and Roberto Mancini’s side were relatively comfortable throughout.< Isn't the whole point encompassed in the second sentence and the reference to "relatively comfortable"? There clearly is a considerable gulf between the top tier of English football, the Premiership, and what I still prefer to call the Second Division, i.e. the Championship, whatever the FA and Football League may choose to call it. Three-nil in my book IS a big difference! Still, as I've said before, the cockeyed, blind optimism of football fans for their favourite team does afford the rest of us neutrals much amusement. Even if Watford do somehow manage to go up at the end of the season - and with the possibility of deducted points looming because of the financial irregularities caused by the previous owner this is highly debatable - you can put money on the bookies making them hot favourites to go straight back down. Watford will always be what I call a yo-yo club, a bit like Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesborough, Birmingham City, Wolves, QPR and Crystal Palace and a few others I could mention. I doubt they will ever again hit the giddy heights they did under GT's managership. British football now belongs to a tiny number of super-rich clubs and the rest are just making up the numbers, which is a great tragedy in my opinion. I much preferred football when the likes of Burnley, Nottingham Forest, Derby County and even Ipswich could be champions. Doesn't anyone else wish for those nostalgic days when the great god MONEY didn't rule everything?[/p][/quote]Burnley? You're even older than the 99 years I had you down as. Did you frame your telegram from HM? You are now Roy Flintstone Yabbadabbadoo lutondown

8:26pm Sun 6 Jan 13

DuffmanWFC says...

The easiest way to pay for the ground to be finished is to gain promotion! Fact!
If we go up we will increase our average of 13,500 per home game to 17,000 as more closet fans will turn up! And if the stadium was finished next season with the SW corner completed and the East Stand built we could get 20,000 attendances if we manage to stay in the Prem! If we went down at least we have a finished stadium that's been paid for through promotion and isn't a debt that's been taken on!
The easiest way to pay for the ground to be finished is to gain promotion! Fact! If we go up we will increase our average of 13,500 per home game to 17,000 as more closet fans will turn up! And if the stadium was finished next season with the SW corner completed and the East Stand built we could get 20,000 attendances if we manage to stay in the Prem! If we went down at least we have a finished stadium that's been paid for through promotion and isn't a debt that's been taken on! DuffmanWFC

8:32pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

DuffmanWFC wrote:
The easiest way to pay for the ground to be finished is to gain promotion! Fact!
If we go up we will increase our average of 13,500 per home game to 17,000 as more closet fans will turn up! And if the stadium was finished next season with the SW corner completed and the East Stand built we could get 20,000 attendances if we manage to stay in the Prem! If we went down at least we have a finished stadium that's been paid for through promotion and isn't a debt that's been taken on!
Fair point... Whichever way, my continued support of Zola and the team remains promotion or not
[quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: The easiest way to pay for the ground to be finished is to gain promotion! Fact! If we go up we will increase our average of 13,500 per home game to 17,000 as more closet fans will turn up! And if the stadium was finished next season with the SW corner completed and the East Stand built we could get 20,000 attendances if we manage to stay in the Prem! If we went down at least we have a finished stadium that's been paid for through promotion and isn't a debt that's been taken on![/p][/quote]Fair point... Whichever way, my continued support of Zola and the team remains promotion or not Hampshire hornet

8:55pm Sun 6 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

lutondown wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time!
Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com
Bless
Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time![/p][/quote]Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com Bless[/p][/quote]Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one. GianlucaVialli the better italian

8:56pm Sun 6 Jan 13

JonBoy says...

Really enjoyed the game yesterday but have to say I don't agree that there wasn't much between the teams. Man City were better than us in all departments and I would expect them to be. I think we played like a mid table premiership side and for that I'm delighted.

How can anyone criticise Eustace? Don't they understand what match fitness is? Didn't you hear Joe Cole say you on't see his best for another 3 or 4 games?

It was a shame Forstieri's chance in the first and Deeney's in the second didn't fall to Vydra, I think he would have buried them both.

Thought Bond was very good and to those saying how quiet we were you should read his tweet: 'On another note, the fans were unbelievable today. Couldn't hear myself shout when I was their end. Proud to play for Watford today.'

I was proud to support them too
Really enjoyed the game yesterday but have to say I don't agree that there wasn't much between the teams. Man City were better than us in all departments and I would expect them to be. I think we played like a mid table premiership side and for that I'm delighted. How can anyone criticise Eustace? Don't they understand what match fitness is? Didn't you hear Joe Cole say you on't see his best for another 3 or 4 games? It was a shame Forstieri's chance in the first and Deeney's in the second didn't fall to Vydra, I think he would have buried them both. Thought Bond was very good and to those saying how quiet we were you should read his tweet: 'On another note, the fans were unbelievable today. Couldn't hear myself shout when I was their end. Proud to play for Watford today.' I was proud to support them too JonBoy

8:59pm Sun 6 Jan 13

JohnnyBarnes says...

JonBoy wrote:
Really enjoyed the game yesterday but have to say I don't agree that there wasn't much between the teams. Man City were better than us in all departments and I would expect them to be. I think we played like a mid table premiership side and for that I'm delighted.

How can anyone criticise Eustace? Don't they understand what match fitness is? Didn't you hear Joe Cole say you on't see his best for another 3 or 4 games?

It was a shame Forstieri's chance in the first and Deeney's in the second didn't fall to Vydra, I think he would have buried them both.

Thought Bond was very good and to those saying how quiet we were you should read his tweet: 'On another note, the fans were unbelievable today. Couldn't hear myself shout when I was their end. Proud to play for Watford today.'

I was proud to support them too
Bang on mate.
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: Really enjoyed the game yesterday but have to say I don't agree that there wasn't much between the teams. Man City were better than us in all departments and I would expect them to be. I think we played like a mid table premiership side and for that I'm delighted. How can anyone criticise Eustace? Don't they understand what match fitness is? Didn't you hear Joe Cole say you on't see his best for another 3 or 4 games? It was a shame Forstieri's chance in the first and Deeney's in the second didn't fall to Vydra, I think he would have buried them both. Thought Bond was very good and to those saying how quiet we were you should read his tweet: 'On another note, the fans were unbelievable today. Couldn't hear myself shout when I was their end. Proud to play for Watford today.' I was proud to support them too[/p][/quote]Bang on mate. JohnnyBarnes

9:06pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time!
Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com
Bless
Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.
Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence.
People can watch what they please when they please.
Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all.
Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches.
Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh?
That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you.
Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch
[quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time![/p][/quote]Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com Bless[/p][/quote]Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence. People can watch what they please when they please. Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all. Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches. Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh? That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you. Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch lutondown

9:23pm Sun 6 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

lutondown wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time!
Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com
Bless
Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.
Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence.
People can watch what they please when they please.
Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all.
Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches.
Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh?
That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you.
Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch
I would accept your gracious offer but the minions follow you like flies to sh**.
It's a bit cold for ice cream!
How do you know what size my genitals are? Been spying on me in the Viccy road toilets?
And surely an intelligent man such as yourself doesn't believe the claims of chris bottom and co that they've met me, if I was going to reveal my true identity, I'd do it in front of the main man (sorry for the amount of compliments, it's poor by my standards)
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time![/p][/quote]Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com Bless[/p][/quote]Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence. People can watch what they please when they please. Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all. Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches. Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh? That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you. Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch[/p][/quote]I would accept your gracious offer but the minions follow you like flies to sh**. It's a bit cold for ice cream! How do you know what size my genitals are? Been spying on me in the Viccy road toilets? And surely an intelligent man such as yourself doesn't believe the claims of chris bottom and co that they've met me, if I was going to reveal my true identity, I'd do it in front of the main man (sorry for the amount of compliments, it's poor by my standards) GianlucaVialli the better italian

9:37pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
lutondown wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time!
Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com
Bless
Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.
Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence.
People can watch what they please when they please.
Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all.
Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches.
Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh?
That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you.
Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch
I would accept your gracious offer but the minions follow you like flies to sh**.
It's a bit cold for ice cream!
How do you know what size my genitals are? Been spying on me in the Viccy road toilets?
And surely an intelligent man such as yourself doesn't believe the claims of chris bottom and co that they've met me, if I was going to reveal my true identity, I'd do it in front of the main man (sorry for the amount of compliments, it's poor by my standards)
Ah I see your cunning plan, you want to become a minion. Sorry sonny your far too skinny, you need to fatten up a little!
I promise no minions, just me and you, and I'll even throw in the once of a lifetime offer..a talk on what happen to minnows that feed in the mouth of sharks.
You'll come away all the wiser for that bit of life extending knowledge!
Anyway, enough of all that. See Man Utd are in for Doyley
[quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time![/p][/quote]Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com Bless[/p][/quote]Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence. People can watch what they please when they please. Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all. Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches. Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh? That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you. Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch[/p][/quote]I would accept your gracious offer but the minions follow you like flies to sh**. It's a bit cold for ice cream! How do you know what size my genitals are? Been spying on me in the Viccy road toilets? And surely an intelligent man such as yourself doesn't believe the claims of chris bottom and co that they've met me, if I was going to reveal my true identity, I'd do it in front of the main man (sorry for the amount of compliments, it's poor by my standards)[/p][/quote]Ah I see your cunning plan, you want to become a minion. Sorry sonny your far too skinny, you need to fatten up a little! I promise no minions, just me and you, and I'll even throw in the once of a lifetime offer..a talk on what happen to minnows that feed in the mouth of sharks. You'll come away all the wiser for that bit of life extending knowledge! Anyway, enough of all that. See Man Utd are in for Doyley lutondown

9:50pm Sun 6 Jan 13

@ChrisBottom16 says...

F*ck me!

Man City are the champions of England. They are have given Real Madrid, two very close games already this season.

They have some mega money signing's are monumental wages, players with World Cup experience! Playing a system they have played for years.

We have a sqaud of new players, playing a system they have rarely played, with a goalkeeper who has played 1 game for us this season.. against Bradford and with 3 players playing their 1st game in months.

Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday!

Yesterday was about giving the fans a good day out, gettin the players some expeience and for Zola to work out who needs to go and what he needs in.

I confident in saying that every player gave 110% and give their best.

The reaction from some has been way over the top and verging on thick
F*ck me! Man City are the champions of England. They are have given Real Madrid, two very close games already this season. They have some mega money signing's are monumental wages, players with World Cup experience! Playing a system they have played for years. We have a sqaud of new players, playing a system they have rarely played, with a goalkeeper who has played 1 game for us this season.. against Bradford and with 3 players playing their 1st game in months. Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday! Yesterday was about giving the fans a good day out, gettin the players some expeience and for Zola to work out who needs to go and what he needs in. I confident in saying that every player gave 110% and give their best. The reaction from some has been way over the top and verging on thick @ChrisBottom16

9:51pm Sun 6 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

Why would I join an organisation I have abused. I walked past the whetherspoons in Manchester where the gang claimed they were going too and it sounded cr**.
No one can take Lloyd from us, he's Watford through and through.
Why would I join an organisation I have abused. I walked past the whetherspoons in Manchester where the gang claimed they were going too and it sounded cr**. No one can take Lloyd from us, he's Watford through and through. GianlucaVialli the better italian

9:54pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

@ChrisBottom16 wrote:
F*ck me!

Man City are the champions of England. They are have given Real Madrid, two very close games already this season.

They have some mega money signing's are monumental wages, players with World Cup experience! Playing a system they have played for years.

We have a sqaud of new players, playing a system they have rarely played, with a goalkeeper who has played 1 game for us this season.. against Bradford and with 3 players playing their 1st game in months.

Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday!

Yesterday was about giving the fans a good day out, gettin the players some expeience and for Zola to work out who needs to go and what he needs in.

I confident in saying that every player gave 110% and give their best.

The reaction from some has been way over the top and verging on thick
'applauds'
[quote][p][bold]@ChrisBottom16[/bold] wrote: F*ck me! Man City are the champions of England. They are have given Real Madrid, two very close games already this season. They have some mega money signing's are monumental wages, players with World Cup experience! Playing a system they have played for years. We have a sqaud of new players, playing a system they have rarely played, with a goalkeeper who has played 1 game for us this season.. against Bradford and with 3 players playing their 1st game in months. Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday! Yesterday was about giving the fans a good day out, gettin the players some expeience and for Zola to work out who needs to go and what he needs in. I confident in saying that every player gave 110% and give their best. The reaction from some has been way over the top and verging on thick[/p][/quote]'applauds' Hampshire hornet

9:54pm Sun 6 Jan 13

@ChrisBottom16 says...

lutondown wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
lutondown wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time!
Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com
Bless
Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.
Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence.
People can watch what they please when they please.
Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all.
Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches.
Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh?
That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you.
Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch
I would accept your gracious offer but the minions follow you like flies to sh**.
It's a bit cold for ice cream!
How do you know what size my genitals are? Been spying on me in the Viccy road toilets?
And surely an intelligent man such as yourself doesn't believe the claims of chris bottom and co that they've met me, if I was going to reveal my true identity, I'd do it in front of the main man (sorry for the amount of compliments, it's poor by my standards)
Ah I see your cunning plan, you want to become a minion. Sorry sonny your far too skinny, you need to fatten up a little!
I promise no minions, just me and you, and I'll even throw in the once of a lifetime offer..a talk on what happen to minnows that feed in the mouth of sharks.
You'll come away all the wiser for that bit of life extending knowledge!
Anyway, enough of all that. See Man Utd are in for Doyley
i swear on my god daughters life that i will take all the other minions and myself, to another pub so that you can meet LD.

just you 2 as he says.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Dan as always agree with your post... Just need everyone to get behind the team..these are early days in the next chapter of our recent history.... Give the team time![/p][/quote]Look mate if you want to be a minion, you have to go through the proper channels. Speak to my secretary...Gianluca ;-) yes, he can be contacted on www.weepecker.com Bless[/p][/quote]Aha LD I see your getting into a spot of bother with mickey Quinn, so the more minions the better for you my friend. You keep having a pop at 'fair weather' fans, despite your lack of attendance at recent games. Clearly more people want to go to the etihad than a poor championship ground, if we had it your way then only 500 fans would have gone, which benefits no one.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that pee wee. What I said the usual away support is noisy. The casual attendee tend to watch the game in mortified silence. People can watch what they please when they please. Bother with Quinn, no not at all. He's just a tad overweight and gets a bit grumpy is all. Yep I've missed two on the row, my annual leave due to the seasonal nature of my work. Plus it's nice to visit the sunshine state to enjoy my hard earned riches. Tell you what pee wee, why not join me for that reconciling pint before Huddersfield? We can banter right up to match time. Just me and you eh? That is an invite and I promise that if your good, I'll buy ice cream for you. Now I've seen there's a treatment for your uh hum lack of package down below, it's called penoplasty. Ouch[/p][/quote]I would accept your gracious offer but the minions follow you like flies to sh**. It's a bit cold for ice cream! How do you know what size my genitals are? Been spying on me in the Viccy road toilets? And surely an intelligent man such as yourself doesn't believe the claims of chris bottom and co that they've met me, if I was going to reveal my true identity, I'd do it in front of the main man (sorry for the amount of compliments, it's poor by my standards)[/p][/quote]Ah I see your cunning plan, you want to become a minion. Sorry sonny your far too skinny, you need to fatten up a little! I promise no minions, just me and you, and I'll even throw in the once of a lifetime offer..a talk on what happen to minnows that feed in the mouth of sharks. You'll come away all the wiser for that bit of life extending knowledge! Anyway, enough of all that. See Man Utd are in for Doyley[/p][/quote]i swear on my god daughters life that i will take all the other minions and myself, to another pub so that you can meet LD. just you 2 as he says. @ChrisBottom16

9:58pm Sun 6 Jan 13

lutondown says...

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
Why would I join an organisation I have abused. I walked past the whetherspoons in Manchester where the gang claimed they were going too and it sounded cr**.
No one can take Lloyd from us, he's Watford through and through.
Because we are forgiving souls!
So again your twitter spying gets the better of you pee wee. Tut tut, one day you may slip up.
Yep Fergie likes the look of Doyley, reckons he'll look good in red.
But on that I obviously jest, and I agree on that point, he is Watford through and through, and his heart overwrites his shortcomings.
Another site for you to visit
Www.wheresmymanlumps
.co.uk
[quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: Why would I join an organisation I have abused. I walked past the whetherspoons in Manchester where the gang claimed they were going too and it sounded cr**. No one can take Lloyd from us, he's Watford through and through.[/p][/quote]Because we are forgiving souls! So again your twitter spying gets the better of you pee wee. Tut tut, one day you may slip up. Yep Fergie likes the look of Doyley, reckons he'll look good in red. But on that I obviously jest, and I agree on that point, he is Watford through and through, and his heart overwrites his shortcomings. Another site for you to visit Www.wheresmymanlumps .co.uk lutondown

10:07pm Sun 6 Jan 13

@ChrisBottom16 says...

lutondown wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
Why would I join an organisation I have abused. I walked past the whetherspoons in Manchester where the gang claimed they were going too and it sounded cr**.
No one can take Lloyd from us, he's Watford through and through.
Because we are forgiving souls!
So again your twitter spying gets the better of you pee wee. Tut tut, one day you may slip up.
Yep Fergie likes the look of Doyley, reckons he'll look good in red.
But on that I obviously jest, and I agree on that point, he is Watford through and through, and his heart overwrites his shortcomings.
Another site for you to visit
Www.wheresmymanlumps

.co.uk
Vialli you can meet LD anywhere in Watford at the Huddersfield gaame. On my god daughters life you will have no problems or meetings with anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: Why would I join an organisation I have abused. I walked past the whetherspoons in Manchester where the gang claimed they were going too and it sounded cr**. No one can take Lloyd from us, he's Watford through and through.[/p][/quote]Because we are forgiving souls! So again your twitter spying gets the better of you pee wee. Tut tut, one day you may slip up. Yep Fergie likes the look of Doyley, reckons he'll look good in red. But on that I obviously jest, and I agree on that point, he is Watford through and through, and his heart overwrites his shortcomings. Another site for you to visit Www.wheresmymanlumps .co.uk[/p][/quote]Vialli you can meet LD anywhere in Watford at the Huddersfield gaame. On my god daughters life you will have no problems or meetings with anyone else. @ChrisBottom16

12:53am Mon 7 Jan 13

dmuz says...

Wobby, can you shut down the comments section of this story please. Like every other Wfc article comments, its gone to bo11ocks.
Wobby, can you shut down the comments section of this story please. Like every other Wfc article comments, its gone to bo11ocks. dmuz

9:12am Mon 7 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

@ChrisBottom16 wrote:
F*ck me!

Man City are the champions of England. They are have given Real Madrid, two very close games already this season.

They have some mega money signing's are monumental wages, players with World Cup experience! Playing a system they have played for years.

We have a sqaud of new players, playing a system they have rarely played, with a goalkeeper who has played 1 game for us this season.. against Bradford and with 3 players playing their 1st game in months.

Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday!

Yesterday was about giving the fans a good day out, gettin the players some expeience and for Zola to work out who needs to go and what he needs in.

I confident in saying that every player gave 110% and give their best.

The reaction from some has been way over the top and verging on thick
"Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday! "

Bit harsh Chris - a few on here were predicting/hoping for a draw and a replay.

Don't think too many thought we would win, just reserved the right to query the team and tactical selections (FF with MV wide?) and point out that one or two didn't play that well. Is that not ok?
[quote][p][bold]@ChrisBottom16[/bold] wrote: F*ck me! Man City are the champions of England. They are have given Real Madrid, two very close games already this season. They have some mega money signing's are monumental wages, players with World Cup experience! Playing a system they have played for years. We have a sqaud of new players, playing a system they have rarely played, with a goalkeeper who has played 1 game for us this season.. against Bradford and with 3 players playing their 1st game in months. Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday! Yesterday was about giving the fans a good day out, gettin the players some expeience and for Zola to work out who needs to go and what he needs in. I confident in saying that every player gave 110% and give their best. The reaction from some has been way over the top and verging on thick[/p][/quote]"Only a looney thought we would get a result yesterday! " Bit harsh Chris - a few on here were predicting/hoping for a draw and a replay. Don't think too many thought we would win, just reserved the right to query the team and tactical selections (FF with MV wide?) and point out that one or two didn't play that well. Is that not ok? Mickey Quinn, not so thin

9:32am Mon 7 Jan 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
francowatford wrote:
LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield
Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!!
Yep he's been on holiday, the WO and the pub have missed him, profits down 15%. I assure he will be on top form in 2 weeks
Yes will take a few stories to get "comment fit" after being out for a couple of weeks. Just glad they didn't throw him in against Citeh !
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]francowatford[/bold] wrote: LD was quality considering the time out, he looked like he had been playing week in week out. I'm sorry to say this but Useless sorry Eustace was very out of his dept, I think Hogg is quality and does the dirty work that people miss and every team needs him.FF is starting to get up my hooter!! He has plenty of skill but Zola needs to find a better way of channeling his skill on the pitch that cuts teams apart more. Very impressed with Bond. Zola needs to start to learn when to sub players like Deeney when he is so pooped from running around should have taken him off after 60 minutes. Neutron, very dissapointed especially as I really want him to do well. Maybe we should try him in midfield[/p][/quote]Didn't realise that LutonDown had been out for so long ! ...and as for quality ??!![/p][/quote]Yep he's been on holiday, the WO and the pub have missed him, profits down 15%. I assure he will be on top form in 2 weeks[/p][/quote]Yes will take a few stories to get "comment fit" after being out for a couple of weeks. Just glad they didn't throw him in against Citeh ! Mickey Quinn, not so thin

11:45am Mon 7 Jan 13

Boosey says...

LD you're not wooden enough to be a plank! I'll let you know when my shifts allow for an away game. Any room for Ian as well? And Happy New Year mate .
LD you're not wooden enough to be a plank! I'll let you know when my shifts allow for an away game. Any room for Ian as well? And Happy New Year mate . Boosey

12:25pm Mon 7 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

Been in bed with flu since coming back from city...my take was doyley did very well great game , im not a big fan but he did play well...Nosworthy again did really well but still looks uncomfortable playing out from back line but a decent bit part player if he is happy to do that. John Eutace was very very poor....i guess he got in ahead of Battochio as he is captain but is slow made wrong choices and gave away stupid free kick for first goal. JE will not fit in to this side with abdi....it's life and i know some morons on here will cry about it like they did about taylor moving to sheff wed. Now Fernando......i love him but ive got to say ive seen nothing in last few times he has played that has made me go wow !!! he needs to let himself go again as he is playing like he is restricted in his turns.He should have scored at city and although i think we would have still lost it would have been good...how we all wished that was vydra that was sent clear. Pudil is next....going forward is excellent but he tried to put his foot in the air when Barry headed in second goal..no challange at all from him and a number of players including Bond looked at him at pointed to their heads to say why didnt you challange ??? I'm sure thats why zola took him off at half time. So to be fair to us we took on man city with 4 players in vital positions that had been out injured for months plus a young lad in goal who done really well. I'm glad in one way as the league is more important and we must get something this weekend coming up.
Been in bed with flu since coming back from city...my take was doyley did very well great game , im not a big fan but he did play well...Nosworthy again did really well but still looks uncomfortable playing out from back line but a decent bit part player if he is happy to do that. John Eutace was very very poor....i guess he got in ahead of Battochio as he is captain but is slow made wrong choices and gave away stupid free kick for first goal. JE will not fit in to this side with abdi....it's life and i know some morons on here will cry about it like they did about taylor moving to sheff wed. Now Fernando......i love him but ive got to say ive seen nothing in last few times he has played that has made me go wow !!! he needs to let himself go again as he is playing like he is restricted in his turns.He should have scored at city and although i think we would have still lost it would have been good...how we all wished that was vydra that was sent clear. Pudil is next....going forward is excellent but he tried to put his foot in the air when Barry headed in second goal..no challange at all from him and a number of players including Bond looked at him at pointed to their heads to say why didnt you challange ??? I'm sure thats why zola took him off at half time. So to be fair to us we took on man city with 4 players in vital positions that had been out injured for months plus a young lad in goal who done really well. I'm glad in one way as the league is more important and we must get something this weekend coming up. jasonwatford

1:22pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Been in bed with flu since coming back from city...my take was doyley did very well great game , im not a big fan but he did play well...Nosworthy again did really well but still looks uncomfortable playing out from back line but a decent bit part player if he is happy to do that. John Eutace was very very poor....i guess he got in ahead of Battochio as he is captain but is slow made wrong choices and gave away stupid free kick for first goal. JE will not fit in to this side with abdi....it's life and i know some morons on here will cry about it like they did about taylor moving to sheff wed. Now Fernando......i love him but ive got to say ive seen nothing in last few times he has played that has made me go wow !!! he needs to let himself go again as he is playing like he is restricted in his turns.He should have scored at city and although i think we would have still lost it would have been good...how we all wished that was vydra that was sent clear. Pudil is next....going forward is excellent but he tried to put his foot in the air when Barry headed in second goal..no challange at all from him and a number of players including Bond looked at him at pointed to their heads to say why didnt you challange ??? I'm sure thats why zola took him off at half time. So to be fair to us we took on man city with 4 players in vital positions that had been out injured for months plus a young lad in goal who done really well. I'm glad in one way as the league is more important and we must get something this weekend coming up.
Sorry to hear about the flu.
Balanced post on the whole but unforgiving about JE given he's been out for so long. Can't imagine many players coming into that game and doing well in the circumstances. Kamikaze of Zola to put him straight in but shows the faith he has in him. He may not be an automatic starter these days but I think you're wrong to say he won't fit in at all. Have a couple more days in bed, and remind yourself of John's goal against Doncaster last season.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Been in bed with flu since coming back from city...my take was doyley did very well great game , im not a big fan but he did play well...Nosworthy again did really well but still looks uncomfortable playing out from back line but a decent bit part player if he is happy to do that. John Eutace was very very poor....i guess he got in ahead of Battochio as he is captain but is slow made wrong choices and gave away stupid free kick for first goal. JE will not fit in to this side with abdi....it's life and i know some morons on here will cry about it like they did about taylor moving to sheff wed. Now Fernando......i love him but ive got to say ive seen nothing in last few times he has played that has made me go wow !!! he needs to let himself go again as he is playing like he is restricted in his turns.He should have scored at city and although i think we would have still lost it would have been good...how we all wished that was vydra that was sent clear. Pudil is next....going forward is excellent but he tried to put his foot in the air when Barry headed in second goal..no challange at all from him and a number of players including Bond looked at him at pointed to their heads to say why didnt you challange ??? I'm sure thats why zola took him off at half time. So to be fair to us we took on man city with 4 players in vital positions that had been out injured for months plus a young lad in goal who done really well. I'm glad in one way as the league is more important and we must get something this weekend coming up.[/p][/quote]Sorry to hear about the flu. Balanced post on the whole but unforgiving about JE given he's been out for so long. Can't imagine many players coming into that game and doing well in the circumstances. Kamikaze of Zola to put him straight in but shows the faith he has in him. He may not be an automatic starter these days but I think you're wrong to say he won't fit in at all. Have a couple more days in bed, and remind yourself of John's goal against Doncaster last season. Bush Hornet

2:49pm Mon 7 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Boosey wrote:
LD you're not wooden enough to be a plank! I'll let you know when my shifts allow for an away game. Any room for Ian as well? And Happy New Year mate .
Yes mate, more the merrier!
I'll see you in WH for a quick shandy
If you see a game you fancy my email
Is lutondown@me.com.
And happy new year to you as well buddy!
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: LD you're not wooden enough to be a plank! I'll let you know when my shifts allow for an away game. Any room for Ian as well? And Happy New Year mate .[/p][/quote]Yes mate, more the merrier! I'll see you in WH for a quick shandy If you see a game you fancy my email Is lutondown@me.com. And happy new year to you as well buddy! lutondown

3:03pm Mon 7 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Been in bed with flu since coming back from city...my take was doyley did very well great game , im not a big fan but he did play well...Nosworthy again did really well but still looks uncomfortable playing out from back line but a decent bit part player if he is happy to do that. John Eutace was very very poor....i guess he got in ahead of Battochio as he is captain but is slow made wrong choices and gave away stupid free kick for first goal. JE will not fit in to this side with abdi....it's life and i know some morons on here will cry about it like they did about taylor moving to sheff wed. Now Fernando......i love him but ive got to say ive seen nothing in last few times he has played that has made me go wow !!! he needs to let himself go again as he is playing like he is restricted in his turns.He should have scored at city and although i think we would have still lost it would have been good...how we all wished that was vydra that was sent clear. Pudil is next....going forward is excellent but he tried to put his foot in the air when Barry headed in second goal..no challange at all from him and a number of players including Bond looked at him at pointed to their heads to say why didnt you challange ??? I'm sure thats why zola took him off at half time. So to be fair to us we took on man city with 4 players in vital positions that had been out injured for months plus a young lad in goal who done really well. I'm glad in one way as the league is more important and we must get something this weekend coming up.
Sorry to hear about the flu.
Balanced post on the whole but unforgiving about JE given he's been out for so long. Can't imagine many players coming into that game and doing well in the circumstances. Kamikaze of Zola to put him straight in but shows the faith he has in him. He may not be an automatic starter these days but I think you're wrong to say he won't fit in at all. Have a couple more days in bed, and remind yourself of John's goal against Doncaster last season.
Bush, Eustace played surely because of injuries to Hogg and Abdi. I understand why some revere him as he is a tough mother, but he is more of a mixer than a ball player.
I still think we're ahead of schedule, and cannot believe how Saturday is being deemed the disaster it really isn't in some quarters.
Surely Bond is one positive to arise, and as for Fessi, he's not become poor over night, he's still a young man.
I like the team out against Brighton, we looked sound, and as I've said before we should always start our best 11. That is all in my opinion, of course.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Been in bed with flu since coming back from city...my take was doyley did very well great game , im not a big fan but he did play well...Nosworthy again did really well but still looks uncomfortable playing out from back line but a decent bit part player if he is happy to do that. John Eutace was very very poor....i guess he got in ahead of Battochio as he is captain but is slow made wrong choices and gave away stupid free kick for first goal. JE will not fit in to this side with abdi....it's life and i know some morons on here will cry about it like they did about taylor moving to sheff wed. Now Fernando......i love him but ive got to say ive seen nothing in last few times he has played that has made me go wow !!! he needs to let himself go again as he is playing like he is restricted in his turns.He should have scored at city and although i think we would have still lost it would have been good...how we all wished that was vydra that was sent clear. Pudil is next....going forward is excellent but he tried to put his foot in the air when Barry headed in second goal..no challange at all from him and a number of players including Bond looked at him at pointed to their heads to say why didnt you challange ??? I'm sure thats why zola took him off at half time. So to be fair to us we took on man city with 4 players in vital positions that had been out injured for months plus a young lad in goal who done really well. I'm glad in one way as the league is more important and we must get something this weekend coming up.[/p][/quote]Sorry to hear about the flu. Balanced post on the whole but unforgiving about JE given he's been out for so long. Can't imagine many players coming into that game and doing well in the circumstances. Kamikaze of Zola to put him straight in but shows the faith he has in him. He may not be an automatic starter these days but I think you're wrong to say he won't fit in at all. Have a couple more days in bed, and remind yourself of John's goal against Doncaster last season.[/p][/quote]Bush, Eustace played surely because of injuries to Hogg and Abdi. I understand why some revere him as he is a tough mother, but he is more of a mixer than a ball player. I still think we're ahead of schedule, and cannot believe how Saturday is being deemed the disaster it really isn't in some quarters. Surely Bond is one positive to arise, and as for Fessi, he's not become poor over night, he's still a young man. I like the team out against Brighton, we looked sound, and as I've said before we should always start our best 11. That is all in my opinion, of course. lutondown

3:23pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

Welcome back CardiffDown (new year, new name, new ambitions).

Just about know now what the best team is and I agree we pretty much saw it at Brighton.
Welcome back CardiffDown (new year, new name, new ambitions). Just about know now what the best team is and I agree we pretty much saw it at Brighton. Bush Hornet

3:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
Welcome back CardiffDown (new year, new name, new ambitions).

Just about know now what the best team is and I agree we pretty much saw it at Brighton.
Sorry, never liked Cardiff, but that's an Anglo welsh thing, can't ever put them in same cat as Taliban Town. .
Besides I have come to enjoy the hate mail I get on twitter from Pooton supporters! So the names sticking.
Just read a post by vital MCFC and praising how Watford played to win rather than damage limitation unlike 75% of visiting prem teams.
It was too big an ask to win there, the gulf is just too wide. Much more so than when we used to giant kill under GT, much different days, and one where money does favour the rich more so.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Welcome back CardiffDown (new year, new name, new ambitions). Just about know now what the best team is and I agree we pretty much saw it at Brighton.[/p][/quote]Sorry, never liked Cardiff, but that's an Anglo welsh thing, can't ever put them in same cat as Taliban Town. . Besides I have come to enjoy the hate mail I get on twitter from Pooton supporters! So the names sticking. Just read a post by vital MCFC and praising how Watford played to win rather than damage limitation unlike 75% of visiting prem teams. It was too big an ask to win there, the gulf is just too wide. Much more so than when we used to giant kill under GT, much different days, and one where money does favour the rich more so. lutondown

5:36pm Mon 7 Jan 13

lockerbiehornet says...

I know transferrumours.co.u
k can have some crap on it but has anyone seen the rumour on there about Beckham to join WFC as a player with a view to coaching the kids and taking his badges, also quoting it's near to his pad etc etc..

I know it's a long shot but if he did join I may need to buy some adult nappies!!
I know transferrumours.co.u k can have some crap on it but has anyone seen the rumour on there about Beckham to join WFC as a player with a view to coaching the kids and taking his badges, also quoting it's near to his pad etc etc.. I know it's a long shot but if he did join I may need to buy some adult nappies!! lockerbiehornet

6:12pm Mon 7 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

Not a mad as it seems that rumour...
Not a mad as it seems that rumour... jasonwatford

6:30pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn says...

6000 fans made the journey, sure they were quieter than the hardy few regulars but they were also lost in that concrete mausoleum - a big Coventry.
City did not get out of 2nd gear except for one player Milner! Every time he got the ball he got passed his marker and got the cross in. Who popped up in space for their second goal? Milner.
As for their opener, it was never a foul. JE took the ball not the man and when the wall lined up they had two players in the wall - it was so obvious where the shot was going and despite Doyley making a loan effort to stand in front of them, their players spun away and ours parted too. Easy goal.

The revelations for me were Bond - what a find we have there - he was superb and the only fault I could find was his predilection to punch the ball away rather than catch it. He can come unstuck with that very easily, but what a find. Well done young man!
The other was Nosworthy. Not match fit but looked as though he had never been away. I would love to see him and FH in the middle of a back four.
Eustace not only lacked match fitness but it showed that he had not been playing with the team as they have developed on the way they play. He look like a Dyche time player but he has the leadership and cool headed experience we need to get into the Prem may not then keep his place but can do the job in the Championship.
No one has mentioned the low ticket prices on Saturday. We paid £20 in 216 and the normal matchday price is £51. Well done City.

Yes there was a gap in ability but they are the current champions and at the top end of the Prem and we are in a play off place - what do you expect?

Good experience for the players and just a sham Zola could not pick his best team, but those who played I think did us proud. Well done you 'Orns.

What about the chant of "Franco Zola's yellow armani" Has a cetain ring to it.
6000 fans made the journey, sure they were quieter than the hardy few regulars but they were also lost in that concrete mausoleum - a big Coventry. City did not get out of 2nd gear except for one player Milner! Every time he got the ball he got passed his marker and got the cross in. Who popped up in space for their second goal? Milner. As for their opener, it was never a foul. JE took the ball not the man and when the wall lined up they had two players in the wall - it was so obvious where the shot was going and despite Doyley making a loan effort to stand in front of them, their players spun away and ours parted too. Easy goal. The revelations for me were Bond - what a find we have there - he was superb and the only fault I could find was his predilection to punch the ball away rather than catch it. He can come unstuck with that very easily, but what a find. Well done young man! The other was Nosworthy. Not match fit but looked as though he had never been away. I would love to see him and FH in the middle of a back four. Eustace not only lacked match fitness but it showed that he had not been playing with the team as they have developed on the way they play. He look like a Dyche time player but he has the leadership and cool headed experience we need to get into the Prem may not then keep his place but can do the job in the Championship. No one has mentioned the low ticket prices on Saturday. We paid £20 in 216 and the normal matchday price is £51. Well done City. Yes there was a gap in ability but they are the current champions and at the top end of the Prem and we are in a play off place - what do you expect? Good experience for the players and just a sham Zola could not pick his best team, but those who played I think did us proud. Well done you 'Orns. What about the chant of "Franco Zola's yellow armani" Has a cetain ring to it. Larrythe Loafer 'Orn

8:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13

apatters says...

We were totally outclassed, but that's OK. Eustace has come back into a team that's moved on, but thats OK. We sung "United", that was OK, in fact it provoked a great reaction from the City fans, who seemed like proper fans rather than the prawn sandwich brigade of United.

We're Watford, it was a grand day out, there are 4 mini leagues in the premiership and if we are lucky enough to be promoted we'll be in mini league 4 aspiring to beat teams in league 3 knowing we'll probably get beaten by those in mini league 1.

I for one am loving the adventure. GfZ is a gent and is probably phase 1 of the Pozzos plan. There will be more. Look back 1 year and compare.

Patters out
We were totally outclassed, but that's OK. Eustace has come back into a team that's moved on, but thats OK. We sung "United", that was OK, in fact it provoked a great reaction from the City fans, who seemed like proper fans rather than the prawn sandwich brigade of United. We're Watford, it was a grand day out, there are 4 mini leagues in the premiership and if we are lucky enough to be promoted we'll be in mini league 4 aspiring to beat teams in league 3 knowing we'll probably get beaten by those in mini league 1. I for one am loving the adventure. GfZ is a gent and is probably phase 1 of the Pozzos plan. There will be more. Look back 1 year and compare. Patters out apatters

8:46pm Mon 7 Jan 13

lutondown says...

apatters wrote:
We were totally outclassed, but that's OK. Eustace has come back into a team that's moved on, but thats OK. We sung &quot;United", that was OK, in fact it provoked a great reaction from the City fans, who seemed like proper fans rather than the prawn sandwich brigade of United.

We're Watford, it was a grand day out, there are 4 mini leagues in the premiership and if we are lucky enough to be promoted we'll be in mini league 4 aspiring to beat teams in league 3 knowing we'll probably get beaten by those in mini league 1.

I for one am loving the adventure. GfZ is a gent and is probably phase 1 of the Pozzos plan. There will be more. Look back 1 year and compare.

Patters out
I think you have got it in a nutshell!
[quote][p][bold]apatters[/bold] wrote: We were totally outclassed, but that's OK. Eustace has come back into a team that's moved on, but thats OK. We sung "United", that was OK, in fact it provoked a great reaction from the City fans, who seemed like proper fans rather than the prawn sandwich brigade of United. We're Watford, it was a grand day out, there are 4 mini leagues in the premiership and if we are lucky enough to be promoted we'll be in mini league 4 aspiring to beat teams in league 3 knowing we'll probably get beaten by those in mini league 1. I for one am loving the adventure. GfZ is a gent and is probably phase 1 of the Pozzos plan. There will be more. Look back 1 year and compare. Patters out[/p][/quote]I think you have got it in a nutshell! lutondown

10:49pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

lutondown wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
Welcome back CardiffDown (new year, new name, new ambitions).

Just about know now what the best team is and I agree we pretty much saw it at Brighton.
Sorry, never liked Cardiff, but that's an Anglo welsh thing, can't ever put them in same cat as Taliban Town. .
Besides I have come to enjoy the hate mail I get on twitter from Pooton supporters! So the names sticking.
Just read a post by vital MCFC and praising how Watford played to win rather than damage limitation unlike 75% of visiting prem teams.
It was too big an ask to win there, the gulf is just too wide. Much more so than when we used to giant kill under GT, much different days, and one where money does favour the rich more so.
yeah we're not likely to go anywhere and park players behind the ball and play for a draw with Zola in charge. That's why we all love him. And next year when we're playing Arsenal, Wenger won't be complaining that we came to stop them from playing. Just not our style. Can't wait for promotion. Hope it happens this year I really do. Even more than I hope Cardiff start losing and under-achieving - again.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Welcome back CardiffDown (new year, new name, new ambitions). Just about know now what the best team is and I agree we pretty much saw it at Brighton.[/p][/quote]Sorry, never liked Cardiff, but that's an Anglo welsh thing, can't ever put them in same cat as Taliban Town. . Besides I have come to enjoy the hate mail I get on twitter from Pooton supporters! So the names sticking. Just read a post by vital MCFC and praising how Watford played to win rather than damage limitation unlike 75% of visiting prem teams. It was too big an ask to win there, the gulf is just too wide. Much more so than when we used to giant kill under GT, much different days, and one where money does favour the rich more so.[/p][/quote]yeah we're not likely to go anywhere and park players behind the ball and play for a draw with Zola in charge. That's why we all love him. And next year when we're playing Arsenal, Wenger won't be complaining that we came to stop them from playing. Just not our style. Can't wait for promotion. Hope it happens this year I really do. Even more than I hope Cardiff start losing and under-achieving - again. Bush Hornet

10:53pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
I know transferrumours.co.u

k can have some crap on it but has anyone seen the rumour on there about Beckham to join WFC as a player with a view to coaching the kids and taking his badges, also quoting it's near to his pad etc etc..

I know it's a long shot but if he did join I may need to buy some adult nappies!!
well I'm not gonna wet myself but if he comes along it will certainly be a good move for the chap. But we're glamorous enough without him. Nice bloke, if a little narcissistic, but his best days are past him...so...whatever ;-?
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: I know transferrumours.co.u k can have some crap on it but has anyone seen the rumour on there about Beckham to join WFC as a player with a view to coaching the kids and taking his badges, also quoting it's near to his pad etc etc.. I know it's a long shot but if he did join I may need to buy some adult nappies!![/p][/quote]well I'm not gonna wet myself but if he comes along it will certainly be a good move for the chap. But we're glamorous enough without him. Nice bloke, if a little narcissistic, but his best days are past him...so...whatever ;-? Bush Hornet

10:58pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

lutondown wrote:
apatters wrote:
We were totally outclassed, but that's OK. Eustace has come back into a team that's moved on, but thats OK. We sung &quot;United", that was OK, in fact it provoked a great reaction from the City fans, who seemed like proper fans rather than the prawn sandwich brigade of United.

We're Watford, it was a grand day out, there are 4 mini leagues in the premiership and if we are lucky enough to be promoted we'll be in mini league 4 aspiring to beat teams in league 3 knowing we'll probably get beaten by those in mini league 1.

I for one am loving the adventure. GfZ is a gent and is probably phase 1 of the Pozzos plan. There will be more. Look back 1 year and compare.

Patters out
I think you have got it in a nutshell!
yes, although we will be in mini league 2-3, getting some good wins against the likes of Swansea, Villa... wins and draws against Spurs, Arsenal & Liverpool. Occasional wins against Chelsea & ManU & City. And probably struggling against Wigan. Can't wait to beat Pulis and his ugly Stoke.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one...
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]apatters[/bold] wrote: We were totally outclassed, but that's OK. Eustace has come back into a team that's moved on, but thats OK. We sung "United", that was OK, in fact it provoked a great reaction from the City fans, who seemed like proper fans rather than the prawn sandwich brigade of United. We're Watford, it was a grand day out, there are 4 mini leagues in the premiership and if we are lucky enough to be promoted we'll be in mini league 4 aspiring to beat teams in league 3 knowing we'll probably get beaten by those in mini league 1. I for one am loving the adventure. GfZ is a gent and is probably phase 1 of the Pozzos plan. There will be more. Look back 1 year and compare. Patters out[/p][/quote]I think you have got it in a nutshell![/p][/quote]yes, although we will be in mini league 2-3, getting some good wins against the likes of Swansea, Villa... wins and draws against Spurs, Arsenal & Liverpool. Occasional wins against Chelsea & ManU & City. And probably struggling against Wigan. Can't wait to beat Pulis and his ugly Stoke. You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one... Bush Hornet

12:26pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Roy Stockdill says...

lutondown says.....

>Burnley? You're even older than the 99 years I had you down as. Did you frame your telegram from HM?
You are now Roy Flintstone
Yabbadabbadoo<

Your knowledge of football doesn't seem to be that great! Burnley were league champions twice - once in the season of 1920-21 (which is probably the one you're thinking of) and again in 1959-60, beating Wolverhampton Wanderers to the title with Spurs in 3rd place. If you don't believe me look it up with Google. Burnley had an outstanding side that season, mostly based around two great midfield players, Jimmy McIlroy and Jimmy Adamson. They never led the table until the last day of the season when they nicked the title with a 2-1 win over Manchester City at Maine Road. The Burnley manager was a former player called Harry Potts. BTW, in the season that Burnley were champions Watford came fourth in the fourth (bottom) division.

In 1959-60 I was 19 and many people in the Calder Valley (which lies between Halifax and Hebden Bridge) supported Burnley because it was easy to get to and not far away. They also got to the 1961-2 FA Cup Final, losing 3-1 to Spurs. I watched Burnley quite often in the 1950s, also Huddersfield Town and even, now and then for a laugh, Halifax Town!

You see, I know more about football than you imagine I do. Your apology will be accepted!!!
lutondown says..... >Burnley? You're even older than the 99 years I had you down as. Did you frame your telegram from HM? You are now Roy Flintstone Yabbadabbadoo< Your knowledge of football doesn't seem to be that great! Burnley were league champions twice - once in the season of 1920-21 (which is probably the one you're thinking of) and again in 1959-60, beating Wolverhampton Wanderers to the title with Spurs in 3rd place. If you don't believe me look it up with Google. Burnley had an outstanding side that season, mostly based around two great midfield players, Jimmy McIlroy and Jimmy Adamson. They never led the table until the last day of the season when they nicked the title with a 2-1 win over Manchester City at Maine Road. The Burnley manager was a former player called Harry Potts. BTW, in the season that Burnley were champions Watford came fourth in the fourth (bottom) division. In 1959-60 I was 19 and many people in the Calder Valley (which lies between Halifax and Hebden Bridge) supported Burnley because it was easy to get to and not far away. They also got to the 1961-2 FA Cup Final, losing 3-1 to Spurs. I watched Burnley quite often in the 1950s, also Huddersfield Town and even, now and then for a laugh, Halifax Town! You see, I know more about football than you imagine I do. Your apology will be accepted!!! Roy Stockdill

12:40pm Fri 11 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Proves my point ive seen the old sepia photos of the 1920-21 season with a young Roy in there!
Glad to see you you've taken off the old cloth cap, it didn't suit you.
Anyway good to see you are a bank of knowledge on Burnley FC, whose history to Be frank is lost in me, simply because I don't care.
Tell me what I'm apologising for Roy and I'll gladly do so. Except the centurion bit, because I googled you and it said you preceded John Brown as Queen Vics man servant.
Proves my point ive seen the old sepia photos of the 1920-21 season with a young Roy in there! Glad to see you you've taken off the old cloth cap, it didn't suit you. Anyway good to see you are a bank of knowledge on Burnley FC, whose history to Be frank is lost in me, simply because I don't care. Tell me what I'm apologising for Roy and I'll gladly do so. Except the centurion bit, because I googled you and it said you preceded John Brown as Queen Vics man servant. lutondown

4:28pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I think you will find that history reveals Burnley to have been a far bigger club than Watford ever have been, even if it's more in the past than the present. In the 1950s and 1960s Burnley were one of the most powerful clubs in the land. Remind me where Watford were then, would you?

Burnley are one of only three clubs to have won all four divisions of the Football League, the others being Wolves and Preston North End.

Burnley were founder members of the Football League. Perhaps you'd like to remind me also when Watford first managed to get in from the Southern League? Wasn't it in the season of 1920-21, the same year that Burnley were First Division champions?
I think you will find that history reveals Burnley to have been a far bigger club than Watford ever have been, even if it's more in the past than the present. In the 1950s and 1960s Burnley were one of the most powerful clubs in the land. Remind me where Watford were then, would you? Burnley are one of only three clubs to have won all four divisions of the Football League, the others being Wolves and Preston North End. Burnley were founder members of the Football League. Perhaps you'd like to remind me also when Watford first managed to get in from the Southern League? Wasn't it in the season of 1920-21, the same year that Burnley were First Division champions? Roy Stockdill

4:35pm Fri 11 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I think you will find that history reveals Burnley to have been a far bigger club than Watford ever have been, even if it's more in the past than the present. In the 1950s and 1960s Burnley were one of the most powerful clubs in the land. Remind me where Watford were then, would you?

Burnley are one of only three clubs to have won all four divisions of the Football League, the others being Wolves and Preston North End.

Burnley were founder members of the Football League. Perhaps you'd like to remind me also when Watford first managed to get in from the Southern League? Wasn't it in the season of 1920-21, the same year that Burnley were First Division champions?
Roy Roy Roy, chill mr Flintstone. Your now not only the English Grammar King, your are the King of Burnley, head of your cave, grandmaster at your lodge, most active member on Google and Wiki. I take a bow to your Grammar school educated self. I am so humbled you even speak to me.
What was that..? Oh something about a little Northern Mill town team by Arkwright Flintstone
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I think you will find that history reveals Burnley to have been a far bigger club than Watford ever have been, even if it's more in the past than the present. In the 1950s and 1960s Burnley were one of the most powerful clubs in the land. Remind me where Watford were then, would you? Burnley are one of only three clubs to have won all four divisions of the Football League, the others being Wolves and Preston North End. Burnley were founder members of the Football League. Perhaps you'd like to remind me also when Watford first managed to get in from the Southern League? Wasn't it in the season of 1920-21, the same year that Burnley were First Division champions?[/p][/quote]Roy Roy Roy, chill mr Flintstone. Your now not only the English Grammar King, your are the King of Burnley, head of your cave, grandmaster at your lodge, most active member on Google and Wiki. I take a bow to your Grammar school educated self. I am so humbled you even speak to me. What was that..? Oh something about a little Northern Mill town team by Arkwright Flintstone lutondown

4:52pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Roy Stockdill says...

You see, that's the difference between us! You only see one team in the blind-as-a-bat way that most football followers do, completely immune to any kind of logical thought or argument.

When I did follow football keenly with my mates we didn't just support one team blindly, we went where we thought we would see the best game, even to Manchester occasionally when we could afford the train fare. Sometimes that was Burnley, sometimes Huddersfield Town (they also were a very big club in the 1950s), sometimes Leeds Utd, Bradford City or even now and then, for a laugh as I've said, Halifax Town, who were the joke side of the entire Football League. The Shay, Halifax's home ground, was where you went if you wanted to be alone! You could stand on what passed for terraces and the next fan might be 30 or 40 yards away but it didn't matter, we felt we owed it to them to turn up now and then.

That is why I abhor so much that is wrong with football today, especially the cretinous fans who wear blinkers and behave and talk like neanderthal tribesmen. Talking about me as Flintstone really makes me laugh. Anyone who seriously thinks Watford are a big club must be straight out of a cave! Watford are a selling club, always have been, with only the very, very occasional period of success as in the GT days. Where have all Watford's best players gone in recent years? Answer, to bigger and better clubs.
You see, that's the difference between us! You only see one team in the blind-as-a-bat way that most football followers do, completely immune to any kind of logical thought or argument. When I did follow football keenly with my mates we didn't just support one team blindly, we went where we thought we would see the best game, even to Manchester occasionally when we could afford the train fare. Sometimes that was Burnley, sometimes Huddersfield Town (they also were a very big club in the 1950s), sometimes Leeds Utd, Bradford City or even now and then, for a laugh as I've said, Halifax Town, who were the joke side of the entire Football League. The Shay, Halifax's home ground, was where you went if you wanted to be alone! You could stand on what passed for terraces and the next fan might be 30 or 40 yards away but it didn't matter, we felt we owed it to them to turn up now and then. That is why I abhor so much that is wrong with football today, especially the cretinous fans who wear blinkers and behave and talk like neanderthal tribesmen. Talking about me as Flintstone really makes me laugh. Anyone who seriously thinks Watford are a big club must be straight out of a cave! Watford are a selling club, always have been, with only the very, very occasional period of success as in the GT days. Where have all Watford's best players gone in recent years? Answer, to bigger and better clubs. Roy Stockdill

5:01pm Fri 11 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
You see, that's the difference between us! You only see one team in the blind-as-a-bat way that most football followers do, completely immune to any kind of logical thought or argument.

When I did follow football keenly with my mates we didn't just support one team blindly, we went where we thought we would see the best game, even to Manchester occasionally when we could afford the train fare. Sometimes that was Burnley, sometimes Huddersfield Town (they also were a very big club in the 1950s), sometimes Leeds Utd, Bradford City or even now and then, for a laugh as I've said, Halifax Town, who were the joke side of the entire Football League. The Shay, Halifax's home ground, was where you went if you wanted to be alone! You could stand on what passed for terraces and the next fan might be 30 or 40 yards away but it didn't matter, we felt we owed it to them to turn up now and then.

That is why I abhor so much that is wrong with football today, especially the cretinous fans who wear blinkers and behave and talk like neanderthal tribesmen. Talking about me as Flintstone really makes me laugh. Anyone who seriously thinks Watford are a big club must be straight out of a cave! Watford are a selling club, always have been, with only the very, very occasional period of success as in the GT days. Where have all Watford's best players gone in recent years? Answer, to bigger and better clubs.
Roy, the difference between us is simple. You are a tool I'm not. I know that because my mum told me, just like she said I was prettier than Chris Bottom. Now what's that little mill town you was on about again? Oh yes Blackburn.
Btw didn't them red roses wop you white Lily's? Ha
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: You see, that's the difference between us! You only see one team in the blind-as-a-bat way that most football followers do, completely immune to any kind of logical thought or argument. When I did follow football keenly with my mates we didn't just support one team blindly, we went where we thought we would see the best game, even to Manchester occasionally when we could afford the train fare. Sometimes that was Burnley, sometimes Huddersfield Town (they also were a very big club in the 1950s), sometimes Leeds Utd, Bradford City or even now and then, for a laugh as I've said, Halifax Town, who were the joke side of the entire Football League. The Shay, Halifax's home ground, was where you went if you wanted to be alone! You could stand on what passed for terraces and the next fan might be 30 or 40 yards away but it didn't matter, we felt we owed it to them to turn up now and then. That is why I abhor so much that is wrong with football today, especially the cretinous fans who wear blinkers and behave and talk like neanderthal tribesmen. Talking about me as Flintstone really makes me laugh. Anyone who seriously thinks Watford are a big club must be straight out of a cave! Watford are a selling club, always have been, with only the very, very occasional period of success as in the GT days. Where have all Watford's best players gone in recent years? Answer, to bigger and better clubs.[/p][/quote]Roy, the difference between us is simple. You are a tool I'm not. I know that because my mum told me, just like she said I was prettier than Chris Bottom. Now what's that little mill town you was on about again? Oh yes Blackburn. Btw didn't them red roses wop you white Lily's? Ha lutondown

5:12pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Burnley, Bolton and Blackburn, by tradition and history, have always been far bigger clubs than Watford. So have Leeds Utd and Sheffield Wednesday. Have Watford ever been a big club except for a couple of flash-in-the-pan years in the 80s?

I'm afraid your comment above is mostly lost on me, BTW. Who is Chris Bottom? And what does the last sentence mean?
Burnley, Bolton and Blackburn, by tradition and history, have always been far bigger clubs than Watford. So have Leeds Utd and Sheffield Wednesday. Have Watford ever been a big club except for a couple of flash-in-the-pan years in the 80s? I'm afraid your comment above is mostly lost on me, BTW. Who is Chris Bottom? And what does the last sentence mean? Roy Stockdill

5:36pm Fri 11 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Burnley, Bolton and Blackburn, by tradition and history, have always been far bigger clubs than Watford. So have Leeds Utd and Sheffield Wednesday. Have Watford ever been a big club except for a couple of flash-in-the-pan years in the 80s?

I'm afraid your comment above is mostly lost on me, BTW. Who is Chris Bottom? And what does the last sentence mean?
Ah the all knowing Roy not knowing something.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Burnley, Bolton and Blackburn, by tradition and history, have always been far bigger clubs than Watford. So have Leeds Utd and Sheffield Wednesday. Have Watford ever been a big club except for a couple of flash-in-the-pan years in the 80s? I'm afraid your comment above is mostly lost on me, BTW. Who is Chris Bottom? And what does the last sentence mean?[/p][/quote]Ah the all knowing Roy not knowing something. lutondown

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