Matej Vydra's agent confirms bid from Premier League club

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An unnamed Premier League club has made a bid for Matej Vydra, the striker's agent confirmed to the Watford Observer.

We contacted Vydra's representative Ondrej Chovanec yesterday and last night he confirmed a Premier League side made an offer last week.

Udinese rejected the bid which Sky Sports claim was an £8m offer.

Chovanec said there are a lot of Premier League and Bundesliga clubs interested in Vydra but stressed he would not comment on every bid moving forward.

Initially Chovanec had claimed there was "no news" regarding Vydra and stated a decision over his future had yet to be made.

He reiterated Vydra, who has two years left on his contract at Udinese, wanted to play in a "top league" but stressed they were "looking for the best proposal for the club and the player".

Chovanec added: "Matej spent a wonderful year with Watford; he was very well supported by the club and also by the great fans. He would like to thank all of them.

"He has a two year contract with Udinese Calcio and there is not yet a decision regarding where he will play next season. He does wish to play in a top league."

Vydra won the Championship Player of the Year award during his first year in English football.

The 21-year-old scored 22 goals on loan at Watford last season but that did include a barren run of no goals in 13 games before his double in the play-off semi-final second leg against Leicester City.

In January Chovanec said five Premier League clubs were interested in Vydra and there had been "two or three proposals".

Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur, Arsenal and Everton are among the clubs linked with the Czech Republic international.

The agent said at the beginning of June that he couldn't imagine Vydra playing in the Championship next season but that was at odds with what Udinese owner Gianpaolo Pozzo had said the previous week.

Pozzo was asked whether he expected the Hornets to retain Vydra and he replied: "Absolutely; we want to make the team stronger to do better. He will stay at Watford." And when asked a similar question, he responded with "of course [he will stay]."

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10:41am Tue 18 Jun 13

AngelHornet says...

"He has a two year contract with Udinese Calcio and there is not yet a decision regarding where he will play next season. He does wish to play in a top league."
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Time to sort it out to give a chance of bringing in a replacement...if required.
"He has a two year contract with Udinese Calcio and there is not yet a decision regarding where he will play next season. He does wish to play in a top league." -------------------- --------------- Time to sort it out to give a chance of bringing in a replacement...if required. AngelHornet
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10:47am Tue 18 Jun 13

Taximan says...

Bye - Bye :)
Bye - Bye :) Taximan
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10:59am Tue 18 Jun 13

Golferever says...

I hope Mr Pozzo holds out for £15m.

That will ensure the Greedy Agent Chovanec has to wait another year before he can get his cut!!

Come on Matej - tell him to Shut Up!!
I hope Mr Pozzo holds out for £15m. That will ensure the Greedy Agent Chovanec has to wait another year before he can get his cut!! Come on Matej - tell him to Shut Up!! Golferever
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11:02am Tue 18 Jun 13

londomollari says...

Well, no surprise there. I'm sure the Pozzos and Nani already have a Udinese player primed and waiting.
Well, no surprise there. I'm sure the Pozzos and Nani already have a Udinese player primed and waiting. londomollari
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11:06am Tue 18 Jun 13

holtonian says...

The sale of Matej will help the Pozzo family rekindle there vast network of players on the radar worldwide. Plus the fact that Udinese are having major ground developments so any transfer money would help our owners.
There must be some major decisions on who we will be able to sign and the best loan deal players, i do not feel the new loan system will bother our team selection that much. Just the matter of agreeing contracts with players agents and just a clause written in on transfer sell on deal to club we took player from. Not rocket is it. The Football League a plain stupid in my eyes.
The sale of Matej will help the Pozzo family rekindle there vast network of players on the radar worldwide. Plus the fact that Udinese are having major ground developments so any transfer money would help our owners. There must be some major decisions on who we will be able to sign and the best loan deal players, i do not feel the new loan system will bother our team selection that much. Just the matter of agreeing contracts with players agents and just a clause written in on transfer sell on deal to club we took player from. Not rocket is it. The Football League a plain stupid in my eyes. holtonian
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11:15am Tue 18 Jun 13

1982WFC says...

Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days. 1982WFC
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11:27am Tue 18 Jun 13

WessexLad says...

"There is not yet a decision regarding where he will play next season. He does wish to play in a top league."

It doesn't actually say "in a top league next season", or is that just wishful thinking?

I'd suggest that he'd be better starting for Watford than warming a Premiership bench, but he wasn't a nailed on first choice, even for us.
"There is not yet a decision regarding where he will play next season. He does wish to play in a top league." It doesn't actually say "in a top league next season", or is that just wishful thinking? I'd suggest that he'd be better starting for Watford than warming a Premiership bench, but he wasn't a nailed on first choice, even for us. WessexLad
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12:05pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Colin West's mullet says...

1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
[quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too. Colin West's mullet
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12:16pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Harry's Bar says...

Good to get confirmation that there is 2 years left on the contract. That gives the Pozzo's the best hand this summer. Next summer Chovanec will hold the aces though. Must be tempting to cash in now, but I think they'll hold their nerve and wait for more than £8m.
Good to get confirmation that there is 2 years left on the contract. That gives the Pozzo's the best hand this summer. Next summer Chovanec will hold the aces though. Must be tempting to cash in now, but I think they'll hold their nerve and wait for more than £8m. Harry's Bar
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12:16pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Buzzing Hornet says...

Let him go, but for the right price. Pozzo must be happy, that we as a shop window help increase his price for sure.
Let him go, but for the right price. Pozzo must be happy, that we as a shop window help increase his price for sure. Buzzing Hornet
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12:24pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Andrew1963 says...

Surely one of the attractions of coming to Watford on a season long loan - rather than stay at Udinesse is the fact that you put yourself in the shop window for the Premiership? I cant believe people getting cross with the boys agent for doing his job. Surely if the Pozzos get a good price for him, will encourage them to blood even more players in our first team. If we had loanees who no one wanted to sign i could understand the disappointment.
Surely one of the attractions of coming to Watford on a season long loan - rather than stay at Udinesse is the fact that you put yourself in the shop window for the Premiership? I cant believe people getting cross with the boys agent for doing his job. Surely if the Pozzos get a good price for him, will encourage them to blood even more players in our first team. If we had loanees who no one wanted to sign i could understand the disappointment. Andrew1963
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12:33pm Tue 18 Jun 13

rogeruk says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
So you don't think a much more mature and savvy agent will be able to plant the seed and persuade an immature 21 year old into a deal?

In business plenty of deals have been struck when one of the parties never knew he even wanted a deal!
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.[/p][/quote]So you don't think a much more mature and savvy agent will be able to plant the seed and persuade an immature 21 year old into a deal? In business plenty of deals have been struck when one of the parties never knew he even wanted a deal! rogeruk
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12:40pm Tue 18 Jun 13

lockerbiehornet says...

1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
Do you honestly think that Matty is being told where he's going to be playing by his agent??? Go make a fresh pot of coffee and inhale through your nose deeply, you'll get the picture!

Good luck Matej, thanks for a brilliant season, one of the best 'one on one, counter attacking strikers' I've seen for a while at the Vic
[quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think that Matty is being told where he's going to be playing by his agent??? Go make a fresh pot of coffee and inhale through your nose deeply, you'll get the picture! Good luck Matej, thanks for a brilliant season, one of the best 'one on one, counter attacking strikers' I've seen for a while at the Vic lockerbiehornet
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12:42pm Tue 18 Jun 13

gloryhornet4 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
So you don't think a much more mature and savvy agent will be able to plant the seed and persuade an immature 21 year old into a deal?

In business plenty of deals have been struck when one of the parties never knew he even wanted a deal!
Agreed. Agents unsettle players for commission. They are not benevolent and will never say let's wait a year.

£14m or whatever but £8m is extracting the michael.

If I were a player I would want to have as my agent the guy that talked Man City into buying Wayne Bridge.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.[/p][/quote]So you don't think a much more mature and savvy agent will be able to plant the seed and persuade an immature 21 year old into a deal? In business plenty of deals have been struck when one of the parties never knew he even wanted a deal![/p][/quote]Agreed. Agents unsettle players for commission. They are not benevolent and will never say let's wait a year. £14m or whatever but £8m is extracting the michael. If I were a player I would want to have as my agent the guy that talked Man City into buying Wayne Bridge. gloryhornet4
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12:43pm Tue 18 Jun 13

DaveEagle says...

I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!! DaveEagle
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12:51pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Harry's Bar says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
Surely if that were the case Vydra would have told Chovanec to shut the fcuck up by now.
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.[/p][/quote]Surely if that were the case Vydra would have told Chovanec to shut the fcuck up by now. Harry's Bar
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1:01pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Branch72 says...

Lets be honest had a great season with us but also spent a lot of time on the bench, didnt really get his form back until the semi final home game , Troy was the main player who help him achieve the majority of his goals last season , so maybe it's better for club and player to move forward , he's only young and all of us would relish a chance to play in the top league in the world , we as watford were amazing last year the future is bright and more players will come so Happy days i think with a extra 15 million in our pockets for a player who will regret leaving to sit and warm a bench somewhere else
Lets be honest had a great season with us but also spent a lot of time on the bench, didnt really get his form back until the semi final home game , Troy was the main player who help him achieve the majority of his goals last season , so maybe it's better for club and player to move forward , he's only young and all of us would relish a chance to play in the top league in the world , we as watford were amazing last year the future is bright and more players will come so Happy days i think with a extra 15 million in our pockets for a player who will regret leaving to sit and warm a bench somewhere else Branch72
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1:03pm Tue 18 Jun 13

a1derek says...

It's all a game designed to maximise Vydra's and his agent's position. The fact is unless someone stumps up the £15 or so million Pozzos want it's likely Vydra will be back with us next season as Giampaolo Pozzo has said on his blog - despite what his agent might peddle in the press.

Agree MV and his agent will be in a more powerful position next summer, but then again so may we be!

Think we all need to sit back and chill out a bit and know that the Prem riches mean Pozzos will give us everything possible to get us to the £££££ as soon as possible.
It's all a game designed to maximise Vydra's and his agent's position. The fact is unless someone stumps up the £15 or so million Pozzos want it's likely Vydra will be back with us next season as Giampaolo Pozzo has said on his blog - despite what his agent might peddle in the press. Agree MV and his agent will be in a more powerful position next summer, but then again so may we be! Think we all need to sit back and chill out a bit and know that the Prem riches mean Pozzos will give us everything possible to get us to the £££££ as soon as possible. a1derek
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1:05pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Vydra might be well advised to stay another season as I do not think he is Prem standard just yet. To be a Prem striker you have to be consistant and as he showed last season he hasn't got that yet. I doubt if it's a top six club but one of the yo-yo clubs that are looking to sign him and that as we've seen with Sordell, Mariappa and Marlon King this is not a good move. Still, we shall wait and see but his agent does not seem like a good influence to me.
Vydra might be well advised to stay another season as I do not think he is Prem standard just yet. To be a Prem striker you have to be consistant and as he showed last season he hasn't got that yet. I doubt if it's a top six club but one of the yo-yo clubs that are looking to sign him and that as we've seen with Sordell, Mariappa and Marlon King this is not a good move. Still, we shall wait and see but his agent does not seem like a good influence to me. Hornets number 12 fan
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1:06pm Tue 18 Jun 13

laddie hornets says...

A number of things are pretty clear.

a. That Vydra must be authorising his agent to speak out

b. That the Pozzos have experience of handling these sort of outbursts

c. That it was a shame that, following all the talk in January, only Forestieri made the move permanent

d. That the ideal for us is Vydra scoring 30 goals for us and either taking us into the Premiership, or getting sold for £20m next summer!
A number of things are pretty clear. a. That Vydra must be authorising his agent to speak out b. That the Pozzos have experience of handling these sort of outbursts c. That it was a shame that, following all the talk in January, only Forestieri made the move permanent d. That the ideal for us is Vydra scoring 30 goals for us and either taking us into the Premiership, or getting sold for £20m next summer! laddie hornets
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1:09pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career!
[quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career! Hornets number 12 fan
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1:20pm Tue 18 Jun 13

1982WFC says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs.
Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds.
If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong.
Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move.
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.[/p][/quote]Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs. Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds. If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong. Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move. 1982WFC
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1:27pm Tue 18 Jun 13

1982WFC says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
Do you honestly think that Matty is being told where he's going to be playing by his agent??? Go make a fresh pot of coffee and inhale through your nose deeply, you'll get the picture!

Good luck Matej, thanks for a brilliant season, one of the best 'one on one, counter attacking strikers' I've seen for a while at the Vic
I'm not sure it is me who needs to be inhaling anything because that is exactly how it works, unless a player has a direct opinion on where he wants to go (ie Ronaldo to Madrid) his agent will find him the best place or usually the club who pays the most.
Ask any manager of any club & they will tell you exactly the same, agents call the shots.
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think that Matty is being told where he's going to be playing by his agent??? Go make a fresh pot of coffee and inhale through your nose deeply, you'll get the picture! Good luck Matej, thanks for a brilliant season, one of the best 'one on one, counter attacking strikers' I've seen for a while at the Vic[/p][/quote]I'm not sure it is me who needs to be inhaling anything because that is exactly how it works, unless a player has a direct opinion on where he wants to go (ie Ronaldo to Madrid) his agent will find him the best place or usually the club who pays the most. Ask any manager of any club & they will tell you exactly the same, agents call the shots. 1982WFC
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1:28pm Tue 18 Jun 13

No Wheels says...

We are going to have to accept this kind of thing is going to happen as the flip side of this unique set-up we know enjoy. Something special was achieved last year and a great team spirit came together, but it's a bit like the Magnificent Seven or something; it's a group of gunslingers for hire, that bond and do a great job. We have to accept that one or two will take their duelling prowess on to other plains, and move on with fresh recruits. That said, I do think he'd do better to stay one more year and bang another 25 goals in for the Horns.
We are going to have to accept this kind of thing is going to happen as the flip side of this unique set-up we know enjoy. Something special was achieved last year and a great team spirit came together, but it's a bit like the Magnificent Seven or something; it's a group of gunslingers for hire, that bond and do a great job. We have to accept that one or two will take their duelling prowess on to other plains, and move on with fresh recruits. That said, I do think he'd do better to stay one more year and bang another 25 goals in for the Horns. No Wheels
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1:35pm Tue 18 Jun 13

mellow yellow says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career!
Palace won't be a yo-yo club. Just a yo!
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career![/p][/quote]Palace won't be a yo-yo club. Just a yo! mellow yellow
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1:50pm Tue 18 Jun 13

lockerbiehornet says...

DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
So would we if you pay £15 million for him!
[quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]So would we if you pay £15 million for him! lockerbiehornet
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2:00pm Tue 18 Jun 13

DaveEagle says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
So would we if you pay £15 million for him!
Doubtful. He is not worth that! About half I would say
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]So would we if you pay £15 million for him![/p][/quote]Doubtful. He is not worth that! About half I would say DaveEagle
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2:01pm Tue 18 Jun 13

DaveEagle says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career!
Palace won't be a yo-yo club. Just a yo!
Your absolutely right, The 'Yo' means we would stay up
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career![/p][/quote]Palace won't be a yo-yo club. Just a yo![/p][/quote]Your absolutely right, The 'Yo' means we would stay up DaveEagle
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2:37pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Chris the Vic says...

The agent earlier claimed his boy was on a par with Peter Cech and needed top football.

Vydra does not have the craft, strength or stamina for a top club yet. Yes, he may go for the money but like so many he will warm the bench and not play which is exactly what he does not need at his age. He does need guidance.

He had a good first half to the season and a very poor second half and if Udinese get £15m for him they should take it with both hands.

As for Palace buying him...if they pay that money it will prove Gollum is mad. they need to replace eleven players starting with their defence.
The agent earlier claimed his boy was on a par with Peter Cech and needed top football. Vydra does not have the craft, strength or stamina for a top club yet. Yes, he may go for the money but like so many he will warm the bench and not play which is exactly what he does not need at his age. He does need guidance. He had a good first half to the season and a very poor second half and if Udinese get £15m for him they should take it with both hands. As for Palace buying him...if they pay that money it will prove Gollum is mad. they need to replace eleven players starting with their defence. Chris the Vic
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2:40pm Tue 18 Jun 13

DuffmanWFC says...

It will be a shame if Vydra isn't with us next season but on the whole it isn't a bad thing if he is sold!
The reason I say this is if we rewind back a year..... Vydra was really an unknown quality! He hadn't played much at all over the previous years so being put in our shop window has worked massively for us, him and the Pozzo's!
Watford are the biggest winners though as Pozzo can see where he should put his best up and coming talented players! If Vydra was at Udinese last season he would of had less then a handful of games and be worth £2M..... Now he is worth well over £8M!!
I believe we will get a great replacement if he is sold.... And many more!
I wish Vydra all the best if he does go, a great natural finisher but he may be better off personally if he gives us another season first!
I would hate to see him sit on Tottenhams or Arsenals bench every week or play for a poor side like Hull, Cardiff etc and be relegated the following year!
What ever happens we are no longer pushovers in the transfer market!
Thank you mr Pozzo
It will be a shame if Vydra isn't with us next season but on the whole it isn't a bad thing if he is sold! The reason I say this is if we rewind back a year..... Vydra was really an unknown quality! He hadn't played much at all over the previous years so being put in our shop window has worked massively for us, him and the Pozzo's! Watford are the biggest winners though as Pozzo can see where he should put his best up and coming talented players! If Vydra was at Udinese last season he would of had less then a handful of games and be worth £2M..... Now he is worth well over £8M!! I believe we will get a great replacement if he is sold.... And many more! I wish Vydra all the best if he does go, a great natural finisher but he may be better off personally if he gives us another season first! I would hate to see him sit on Tottenhams or Arsenals bench every week or play for a poor side like Hull, Cardiff etc and be relegated the following year! What ever happens we are no longer pushovers in the transfer market! Thank you mr Pozzo DuffmanWFC
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2:42pm Tue 18 Jun 13

mellow yellow says...

DaveEagle wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career!
Palace won't be a yo-yo club. Just a yo!
Your absolutely right, The 'Yo' means we would stay up
I think you'll find the first 'yo' in yo-yo means going down!
[quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]Like I said a move to a yo- yo club would be detrimental to his career![/p][/quote]Palace won't be a yo-yo club. Just a yo![/p][/quote]Your absolutely right, The 'Yo' means we would stay up[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the first 'yo' in yo-yo means going down! mellow yellow
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2:49pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Bringe says...

laddie hornets wrote:
A number of things are pretty clear.

a. That Vydra must be authorising his agent to speak out

b. That the Pozzos have experience of handling these sort of outbursts

c. That it was a shame that, following all the talk in January, only Forestieri made the move permanent

d. That the ideal for us is Vydra scoring 30 goals for us and either taking us into the Premiership, or getting sold for £20m next summer!
It's clear as mud ...
It could equally be that the owners want to cash in now while he's hot because agents don't usually say peep if there's 2 years left on a contract. We are talking a game of chess and when it comes to getting the best price the Pozzo's are grand-masters.
[quote][p][bold]laddie hornets[/bold] wrote: A number of things are pretty clear. a. That Vydra must be authorising his agent to speak out b. That the Pozzos have experience of handling these sort of outbursts c. That it was a shame that, following all the talk in January, only Forestieri made the move permanent d. That the ideal for us is Vydra scoring 30 goals for us and either taking us into the Premiership, or getting sold for £20m next summer![/p][/quote]It's clear as mud ... It could equally be that the owners want to cash in now while he's hot because agents don't usually say peep if there's 2 years left on a contract. We are talking a game of chess and when it comes to getting the best price the Pozzo's are grand-masters. Bringe
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2:55pm Tue 18 Jun 13

francowatford says...

Matty is surely the best one on one we have had at the Vic and it will be a shame to see him go. Matty must be blinded by the lights of the big boys. He struggled to score in 13 games of the second tier of English football how is he going to cope in a top league. If he stayed he could be hailed as an absolute hero at the Vic but elsewhere, small fish big pond. I don’t think I am going to like players coming and going at the Vic so that they can use us as an international football shop window. All I can say is well done Fernando!! We love you!!
Matty is surely the best one on one we have had at the Vic and it will be a shame to see him go. Matty must be blinded by the lights of the big boys. He struggled to score in 13 games of the second tier of English football how is he going to cope in a top league. If he stayed he could be hailed as an absolute hero at the Vic but elsewhere, small fish big pond. I don’t think I am going to like players coming and going at the Vic so that they can use us as an international football shop window. All I can say is well done Fernando!! We love you!! francowatford
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3:00pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Bush Hornet says...

DaveEagle wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
So would we if you pay £15 million for him!
Doubtful. He is not worth that! About half I would say
Yeah mate, when you consider how many Murray scored in a really poor side, you may be right.
[quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]So would we if you pay £15 million for him![/p][/quote]Doubtful. He is not worth that! About half I would say[/p][/quote]Yeah mate, when you consider how many Murray scored in a really poor side, you may be right. Bush Hornet
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3:07pm Tue 18 Jun 13

BigRussMalta says...

Sell him for 15 mil,he'll make no massive impression for Chelsea,because he made his name at Watford we can use at least half that to buy.and then when he dont perform at Chelsea ,we can loan him back! Sorted ;-)
Sell him for 15 mil,he'll make no massive impression for Chelsea,because he made his name at Watford we can use at least half that to buy.and then when he dont perform at Chelsea ,we can loan him back! Sorted ;-) BigRussMalta
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3:40pm Tue 18 Jun 13

lockerbiehornet says...

DaveEagle wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
So would we if you pay £15 million for him!
Doubtful. He is not worth that! About half I would say
Seeing as the offer is already £8 million I would say your;

a) not getting him

b) not even in the running for him

c) deluded
[quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]So would we if you pay £15 million for him![/p][/quote]Doubtful. He is not worth that! About half I would say[/p][/quote]Seeing as the offer is already £8 million I would say your; a) not getting him b) not even in the running for him c) deluded lockerbiehornet
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3:44pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Harry's Bar says...

Another season of guidance from Zola is what Vydra needs. Chovanec won't tell him that because he can see an earner. I think Vydra is quite a young 21 year old, can he see that Chelsea isn't right for him at the moment.
Another season of guidance from Zola is what Vydra needs. Chovanec won't tell him that because he can see an earner. I think Vydra is quite a young 21 year old, can he see that Chelsea isn't right for him at the moment. Harry's Bar
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4:53pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Does anyone know where I can read about this offer as I've not seen anything official online?

HC
Does anyone know where I can read about this offer as I've not seen anything official online? HC Hornet Cornet
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4:53pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

DaveEagle wrote:
I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!!
As would I because Palace plainly can't afford him and will be down faster than they could imagine from a weaker premier league.

Good luck to Matty, I've no doubt his agent can see £££ signs but he knows he is good enough too although like most have said the grass is not always greener. We always find great strikers.
[quote][p][bold]DaveEagle[/bold] wrote: I would find it mildly amusing if he the premier league club was Crystal Palace!![/p][/quote]As would I because Palace plainly can't afford him and will be down faster than they could imagine from a weaker premier league. Good luck to Matty, I've no doubt his agent can see £££ signs but he knows he is good enough too although like most have said the grass is not always greener. We always find great strikers. Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
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4:56pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Does anyone know where I can read about this offer as I've not seen anything official online?

HC
Sky sports mate
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know where I can read about this offer as I've not seen anything official online? HC[/p][/quote]Sky sports mate Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
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5:03pm Tue 18 Jun 13

greatcentral says...

There will be nothing official on line as we do not own the player!

Bid is said to have been from Newcastle
There will be nothing official on line as we do not own the player! Bid is said to have been from Newcastle greatcentral
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5:21pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Retlas says...

greatcentral wrote:
There will be nothing official on line as we do not own the player!

Bid is said to have been from Newcastle
Newcastle is the last place to go at the moment.

Hmmm maybe not — but I doubt he wants to go non league!!
[quote][p][bold]greatcentral[/bold] wrote: There will be nothing official on line as we do not own the player! Bid is said to have been from Newcastle[/p][/quote]Newcastle is the last place to go at the moment. Hmmm maybe not — but I doubt he wants to go non league!! Retlas
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5:48pm Tue 18 Jun 13

JohnnyHornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Good to get confirmation that there is 2 years left on the contract. That gives the Pozzo's the best hand this summer. Next summer Chovanec will hold the aces though. Must be tempting to cash in now, but I think they'll hold their nerve and wait for more than £8m.
Despite the good half season last year, his head was turned in the January window and his form dropped alarmingly, Almunia stated he wasn't the best of trainers so you would have to question his desire from Feb to May, however if he is instrumental in this and it's not just agents speak I think his desire to play for us next season may not be there, so the jury's out IMO.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: Good to get confirmation that there is 2 years left on the contract. That gives the Pozzo's the best hand this summer. Next summer Chovanec will hold the aces though. Must be tempting to cash in now, but I think they'll hold their nerve and wait for more than £8m.[/p][/quote]Despite the good half season last year, his head was turned in the January window and his form dropped alarmingly, Almunia stated he wasn't the best of trainers so you would have to question his desire from Feb to May, however if he is instrumental in this and it's not just agents speak I think his desire to play for us next season may not be there, so the jury's out IMO. JohnnyHornet
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7:07pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Watforce says...

Its all charade. the agent is trying to 'spin' the best deal for his client, and leaking information to keep his client in the papers and keep pressure on the Pozzo family.
Unfortunately it is not as simple as 'if we have Vydra next season he will deliver 25 goals'. If his heart is not in it, as Almunia suggested was the case for the latter stages of last season in training effort, he may have more of a negative influence on the team.
No Vydra might mean no Pudil either, but we probably need more creativity on the left.
For me Abdi is the one I we need, together with two of the talents from the Pozzo pool who can work with Deeney/Fessi.
IMO things will heat-up in the first week of July once the players return from their holidays. I am sure SD and GFZ have been working on contingencies for awkward players and their agents.
Anyway enough of reasoned arguments, what does Hogwash think?
Its all charade. the agent is trying to 'spin' the best deal for his client, and leaking information to keep his client in the papers and keep pressure on the Pozzo family. Unfortunately it is not as simple as 'if we have Vydra next season he will deliver 25 goals'. If his heart is not in it, as Almunia suggested was the case for the latter stages of last season in training effort, he may have more of a negative influence on the team. No Vydra might mean no Pudil either, but we probably need more creativity on the left. For me Abdi is the one I we need, together with two of the talents from the Pozzo pool who can work with Deeney/Fessi. IMO things will heat-up in the first week of July once the players return from their holidays. I am sure SD and GFZ have been working on contingencies for awkward players and their agents. Anyway enough of reasoned arguments, what does Hogwash think? Watforce
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7:08pm Tue 18 Jun 13

philthehorn says...

let him goes, his mind is set on leaving and want people that are committed to the cause. Wembley proved we need more of our own. Loanees are only in the shop window, no desires to see the club succeed
let him goes, his mind is set on leaving and want people that are committed to the cause. Wembley proved we need more of our own. Loanees are only in the shop window, no desires to see the club succeed philthehorn
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7:10pm Tue 18 Jun 13

philthehorn says...

And he was crap from February onwards!!!
And he was crap from February onwards!!! philthehorn
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7:20pm Tue 18 Jun 13

1234566789 says...

I don't know why people say he was rubbish after Feb. I think these people are only looking at goals. In which case you could more pertinently look at the fact he actually scored 11 of his goals in just a 6 week period between Dec-Feb so I guess he was rubbish the rest of the season? I mean, it's either that or he was the Championship player of the season for his performances throughout the campaign and the best striker we have seen at Watford in a long long time and was most likely knackered after only having played a handful of senior matches in the previous two years. I just can't figure out which?!
I don't know why people say he was rubbish after Feb. I think these people are only looking at goals. In which case you could more pertinently look at the fact he actually scored 11 of his goals in just a 6 week period between Dec-Feb so I guess he was rubbish the rest of the season? I mean, it's either that or he was the Championship player of the season for his performances throughout the campaign and the best striker we have seen at Watford in a long long time and was most likely knackered after only having played a handful of senior matches in the previous two years. I just can't figure out which?! 1234566789
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7:26pm Tue 18 Jun 13

MJ1 says...

Surely this story is little more than spin by the agent Ondrej Chovanec trying to get a bidding game going for Vydra. Why hasn't the name of the club been leaked if the bid has been rejected? I am sceptical as to whether there has been a formal offer. The agent's interest is in getting a sale and his commission.
Surely this story is little more than spin by the agent Ondrej Chovanec trying to get a bidding game going for Vydra. Why hasn't the name of the club been leaked if the bid has been rejected? I am sceptical as to whether there has been a formal offer. The agent's interest is in getting a sale and his commission. MJ1
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8:36pm Tue 18 Jun 13

cthorn says...

may be go back and play for Udinese?
may be go back and play for Udinese? cthorn
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10:25pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Dr Johnny Fever says...

In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season.
In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season. Dr Johnny Fever
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10:32pm Tue 18 Jun 13

watfordrick says...

We're doomed whose gonna get the goals now. Oh yeah a new brilliant player from Udinese whose better than Vydra - what's his name ? Er we don't know .....!!!!!
We're doomed whose gonna get the goals now. Oh yeah a new brilliant player from Udinese whose better than Vydra - what's his name ? Er we don't know .....!!!!! watfordrick
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6:35am Wed 19 Jun 13

northofwatfordpete says...

Time to get rid - he will have a quiet season whoever he plays for. Will need to develop his game to make an impact in a higher league and even in the Championship he will find life a lot more difficult.
Players and fans were not impressed with the amount of effort he put in during the last third of last season's campaign.
Time to get rid - he will have a quiet season whoever he plays for. Will need to develop his game to make an impact in a higher league and even in the Championship he will find life a lot more difficult. Players and fans were not impressed with the amount of effort he put in during the last third of last season's campaign. northofwatfordpete
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7:29am Wed 19 Jun 13

corbindallas says...

I have already posted I think he should move on, his head was turned in January and we saw what that did to his on field display, he clearly wants out otherwise his agent will only be discussing positives for Watford BUT he is not so it really is that simple let him go for the highest amount they can get and if it is 8 million and 1p so be it, One player does not make a club and we all know that, so move on a find another gem to shine. Re the ones who want him to stay, why? We want players who wear the badge with pride we know we will lose our star players as usual but also know we will have the last say in if they do go this time not the other way around, let Vydra warm a bench or spend 1 season in the Prem with a doomed club, let him realise neither money nor top flight makes a player but sure can break em! He could have said I will stay till another club comes in with a release clause and carried on being schooled by a superstar in the form of GFZ but no he wants out so bye bye.
I have already posted I think he should move on, his head was turned in January and we saw what that did to his on field display, he clearly wants out otherwise his agent will only be discussing positives for Watford BUT he is not so it really is that simple let him go for the highest amount they can get and if it is 8 million and 1p so be it, One player does not make a club and we all know that, so move on a find another gem to shine. Re the ones who want him to stay, why? We want players who wear the badge with pride we know we will lose our star players as usual but also know we will have the last say in if they do go this time not the other way around, let Vydra warm a bench or spend 1 season in the Prem with a doomed club, let him realise neither money nor top flight makes a player but sure can break em! He could have said I will stay till another club comes in with a release clause and carried on being schooled by a superstar in the form of GFZ but no he wants out so bye bye. corbindallas
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8:58am Wed 19 Jun 13

Colin West's mullet says...

1982WFC wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs.
Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds.
If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong.
Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move.
I'm not naive, and I know exactly what sharks agents are. But I certainly do not believe they strategically agitate for moves that the player doesn't want.

and the idea posted in response to mine that it is in MV's best interest to stay with us for another year is ridiculous. A £30k a week pay rise and Prem football? How could turning that down be in his best interest?
[quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.[/p][/quote]Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs. Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds. If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong. Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move.[/p][/quote]I'm not naive, and I know exactly what sharks agents are. But I certainly do not believe they strategically agitate for moves that the player doesn't want. and the idea posted in response to mine that it is in MV's best interest to stay with us for another year is ridiculous. A £30k a week pay rise and Prem football? How could turning that down be in his best interest? Colin West's mullet
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9:19am Wed 19 Jun 13

mellow yellow says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs.
Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds.
If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong.
Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move.
I'm not naive, and I know exactly what sharks agents are. But I certainly do not believe they strategically agitate for moves that the player doesn't want.

and the idea posted in response to mine that it is in MV's best interest to stay with us for another year is ridiculous. A £30k a week pay rise and Prem football? How could turning that down be in his best interest?
I think the comment would imply he would be sporadic (appearance wise) at best and that it would not be in his best interests at this point in his career. But there's only one person who can speak for his best interests, and that Vydra himself. He is an adult, after all.
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.[/p][/quote]Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs. Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds. If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong. Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move.[/p][/quote]I'm not naive, and I know exactly what sharks agents are. But I certainly do not believe they strategically agitate for moves that the player doesn't want. and the idea posted in response to mine that it is in MV's best interest to stay with us for another year is ridiculous. A £30k a week pay rise and Prem football? How could turning that down be in his best interest?[/p][/quote]I think the comment would imply he would be sporadic (appearance wise) at best and that it would not be in his best interests at this point in his career. But there's only one person who can speak for his best interests, and that Vydra himself. He is an adult, after all. mellow yellow
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9:32am Wed 19 Jun 13

rogeruk says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
1982WFC wrote:
Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener.
His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes.
Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us.
I for one would wish him all the best.

One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on.

Happy days.
how has he not got his best interests at heart?

I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.
Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs.
Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds.
If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong.
Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move.
I'm not naive, and I know exactly what sharks agents are. But I certainly do not believe they strategically agitate for moves that the player doesn't want.

and the idea posted in response to mine that it is in MV's best interest to stay with us for another year is ridiculous. A £30k a week pay rise and Prem football? How could turning that down be in his best interest?
A 30K rise and move to the premier league is a great risk for Vydra, for short term gain, Cemeteries of the world are littered with young footballers making wrong decisions, Best and Gascoigne come to mind just for starters.

If Vydra wants the hype, the girls and the Ferrari then let him go but before he does give Paul Gascoigne a call!

A good example of forward planning is Frank Lampart 35 years old tomorrow and celebrating a new contract with one of the world's top clubs and worth every bit of it. Will Vydra be in a situation like Lampart in 14 years time?

Vydr'a agent to the annoyance of the Pozzos has been stirring it up, is his agent looking at Vydra's 15 year future career? I very much doubt it!

His agent is looking at his at his commission now, if Vydra goes down a dead end lane then so be it the agent has plenty more on his books check out his website.

Vydra needs his friend Pudil and his own family to discuss his next move very seriously, he also needs to grow up quickly!

As much as I try I cannot see a better alternative than staying with Gian Franco, the Pozzos and the fans for another year.

As someone once sang; What's a another year?

Honestly I would hate for him to thrown his promising career away for a Ferrari now! If he's smart he can have a new one every one of the next 14 years but only with the right decisions.
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: Fantastic player as we all saw last season, however the grass is not always greener. His agent seems to be very much in this for himself & obviously does not have mattys best interest at heart, only £ signs in his eyes. Shame but he was never our player anyway & hopefully some of the cash gained from his sale will be spent on us. I for one would wish him all the best. One other thing to think of is that other Udinese players may look at his loan move & think I want a bit of that, one good season & look what happens. We may just get a few more good quality players who want to play regular football & be put in the shop window or get us promoted & stay on. Happy days.[/p][/quote]how has he not got his best interests at heart? I wish people on here would quit this delusion that the agent is doing anything other than what MV is asking him too.[/p][/quote]Because agents "advise" these players. Agents make contact with other clubs. Granted sometimes agents do act upon the wishes of their players but believe you me the majority of the time it is agents who plant the seed of doubt in players minds. If you honestly believe agents literally only as a go between then you are wrong. Agents typically pick up 15-20% of transfer fees, it is in THEIR interest to get their client a move.[/p][/quote]I'm not naive, and I know exactly what sharks agents are. But I certainly do not believe they strategically agitate for moves that the player doesn't want. and the idea posted in response to mine that it is in MV's best interest to stay with us for another year is ridiculous. A £30k a week pay rise and Prem football? How could turning that down be in his best interest?[/p][/quote]A 30K rise and move to the premier league is a great risk for Vydra, for short term gain, Cemeteries of the world are littered with young footballers making wrong decisions, Best and Gascoigne come to mind just for starters. If Vydra wants the hype, the girls and the Ferrari then let him go but before he does give Paul Gascoigne a call! A good example of forward planning is Frank Lampart 35 years old tomorrow and celebrating a new contract with one of the world's top clubs and worth every bit of it. Will Vydra be in a situation like Lampart in 14 years time? Vydr'a agent to the annoyance of the Pozzos has been stirring it up, is his agent looking at Vydra's 15 year future career? I very much doubt it! His agent is looking at his at his commission now, if Vydra goes down a dead end lane then so be it the agent has plenty more on his books check out his website. Vydra needs his friend Pudil and his own family to discuss his next move very seriously, he also needs to grow up quickly! As much as I try I cannot see a better alternative than staying with Gian Franco, the Pozzos and the fans for another year. As someone once sang; What's a another year? Honestly I would hate for him to thrown his promising career away for a Ferrari now! If he's smart he can have a new one every one of the next 14 years but only with the right decisions. rogeruk
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9:36am Wed 19 Jun 13

Stoney77 says...

Dr Johnny Fever wrote:
In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season.
mark him out of the game? Just like Leicester did in the home semi? The boys got class, and enough class to bag 25 goals next season regardless of whether other teams 'know what he is about'. Yes I know he had an off patch but so do all strikers, RVP, Rooney, even Glenn Murray have all gone etc. Was he knackered? was his head turned? we don't know and all we can do is speculate, but I certainly want him at The Vic next season and disagree with anyone that says otherwise - arguably the best striker we have ever seen at The Vic (in my lifetime).
[quote][p][bold]Dr Johnny Fever[/bold] wrote: In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season.[/p][/quote]mark him out of the game? Just like Leicester did in the home semi? The boys got class, and enough class to bag 25 goals next season regardless of whether other teams 'know what he is about'. Yes I know he had an off patch but so do all strikers, RVP, Rooney, even Glenn Murray have all gone etc. Was he knackered? was his head turned? we don't know and all we can do is speculate, but I certainly want him at The Vic next season and disagree with anyone that says otherwise - arguably the best striker we have ever seen at The Vic (in my lifetime). Stoney77
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9:39am Wed 19 Jun 13

mellow yellow says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Dr Johnny Fever wrote:
In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season.
mark him out of the game? Just like Leicester did in the home semi? The boys got class, and enough class to bag 25 goals next season regardless of whether other teams 'know what he is about'. Yes I know he had an off patch but so do all strikers, RVP, Rooney, even Glenn Murray have all gone etc. Was he knackered? was his head turned? we don't know and all we can do is speculate, but I certainly want him at The Vic next season and disagree with anyone that says otherwise - arguably the best striker we have ever seen at The Vic (in my lifetime).
Ooh, you've opened a debate there, mate... If anyone is still reading this thread ;)
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Johnny Fever[/bold] wrote: In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season.[/p][/quote]mark him out of the game? Just like Leicester did in the home semi? The boys got class, and enough class to bag 25 goals next season regardless of whether other teams 'know what he is about'. Yes I know he had an off patch but so do all strikers, RVP, Rooney, even Glenn Murray have all gone etc. Was he knackered? was his head turned? we don't know and all we can do is speculate, but I certainly want him at The Vic next season and disagree with anyone that says otherwise - arguably the best striker we have ever seen at The Vic (in my lifetime).[/p][/quote]Ooh, you've opened a debate there, mate... If anyone is still reading this thread ;) mellow yellow
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9:49am Wed 19 Jun 13

JonBoy says...

Everything said on here is based on speculation. Deeney tweeted weeks back that Vydra going was news to him. Yes his agent is trying to drum up interest but nothing is fact. My own speculation is that the Pozzos will hold him at Watford for one more year and then see whether Watford are in the promised land before thinking about a sale.
Everything said on here is based on speculation. Deeney tweeted weeks back that Vydra going was news to him. Yes his agent is trying to drum up interest but nothing is fact. My own speculation is that the Pozzos will hold him at Watford for one more year and then see whether Watford are in the promised land before thinking about a sale. JonBoy
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10:02am Wed 19 Jun 13

northofwatfordpete says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Dr Johnny Fever wrote:
In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season.
mark him out of the game? Just like Leicester did in the home semi? The boys got class, and enough class to bag 25 goals next season regardless of whether other teams 'know what he is about'. Yes I know he had an off patch but so do all strikers, RVP, Rooney, even Glenn Murray have all gone etc. Was he knackered? was his head turned? we don't know and all we can do is speculate, but I certainly want him at The Vic next season and disagree with anyone that says otherwise - arguably the best striker we have ever seen at The Vic (in my lifetime).
If the lad does not want to play for us and the price is right then time to get rid.I suspect that he feels that he has done enough to justify a place in the Udinese first team squad.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Johnny Fever[/bold] wrote: In some ways I think it would be better if he was sold...as all the Championship clubs now know what he can do and will just mark him out of the game. I don't think we'll see the 25+ goals from here this coming season that we did last season.[/p][/quote]mark him out of the game? Just like Leicester did in the home semi? The boys got class, and enough class to bag 25 goals next season regardless of whether other teams 'know what he is about'. Yes I know he had an off patch but so do all strikers, RVP, Rooney, even Glenn Murray have all gone etc. Was he knackered? was his head turned? we don't know and all we can do is speculate, but I certainly want him at The Vic next season and disagree with anyone that says otherwise - arguably the best striker we have ever seen at The Vic (in my lifetime).[/p][/quote]If the lad does not want to play for us and the price is right then time to get rid.I suspect that he feels that he has done enough to justify a place in the Udinese first team squad. northofwatfordpete
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10:20am Wed 19 Jun 13

LifeLongHornet says...

http://www1.skysport
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http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11695/8783037/Sunder land-make-loan-offer -for-Matej-Vydra LifeLongHornet
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11:06am Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

As much as I liked Vydra I'd much rather have a player in our squad that wants to play for us, her clearly didnt after January.

I just wish that there was some concrete news about signings instead of all these rumours.
As much as I liked Vydra I'd much rather have a player in our squad that wants to play for us, her clearly didnt after January. I just wish that there was some concrete news about signings instead of all these rumours. PlymouthHornet
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11:16am Wed 19 Jun 13

1234566789 says...

corbindallas wrote:
I have already posted I think he should move on, his head was turned in January and we saw what that did to his on field display, he clearly wants out otherwise his agent will only be discussing positives for Watford BUT he is not so it really is that simple let him go for the highest amount they can get and if it is 8 million and 1p so be it, One player does not make a club and we all know that, so move on a find another gem to shine. Re the ones who want him to stay, why? We want players who wear the badge with pride we know we will lose our star players as usual but also know we will have the last say in if they do go this time not the other way around, let Vydra warm a bench or spend 1 season in the Prem with a doomed club, let him realise neither money nor top flight makes a player but sure can break em! He could have said I will stay till another club comes in with a release clause and carried on being schooled by a superstar in the form of GFZ but no he wants out so bye bye.
Did we see his performance drop when his 'head was turned in January'? I thought it was exactly that period where he came to life and scored 11 goals in 6 weeks....... This is just nonsense that people who have no idea started to shout. It is quite obvious that he got knackered, having hardly played for 2 years before and having never had a full season in adult, professional football. To then go to 2 games per week, plus international travel, would be incredibly difficult - seasoned pros struggle with the physical demands of a Championship season, let alone adding in international appearances in your first ever full season.
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I have already posted I think he should move on, his head was turned in January and we saw what that did to his on field display, he clearly wants out otherwise his agent will only be discussing positives for Watford BUT he is not so it really is that simple let him go for the highest amount they can get and if it is 8 million and 1p so be it, One player does not make a club and we all know that, so move on a find another gem to shine. Re the ones who want him to stay, why? We want players who wear the badge with pride we know we will lose our star players as usual but also know we will have the last say in if they do go this time not the other way around, let Vydra warm a bench or spend 1 season in the Prem with a doomed club, let him realise neither money nor top flight makes a player but sure can break em! He could have said I will stay till another club comes in with a release clause and carried on being schooled by a superstar in the form of GFZ but no he wants out so bye bye.[/p][/quote]Did we see his performance drop when his 'head was turned in January'? I thought it was exactly that period where he came to life and scored 11 goals in 6 weeks....... This is just nonsense that people who have no idea started to shout. It is quite obvious that he got knackered, having hardly played for 2 years before and having never had a full season in adult, professional football. To then go to 2 games per week, plus international travel, would be incredibly difficult - seasoned pros struggle with the physical demands of a Championship season, let alone adding in international appearances in your first ever full season. 1234566789
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11:17am Wed 19 Jun 13

Stoney77 says...

PlymouthHornet wrote:
As much as I liked Vydra I'd much rather have a player in our squad that wants to play for us, her clearly didnt after January.

I just wish that there was some concrete news about signings instead of all these rumours.
“He clearly didn’t want to play for us after January” – That’s hard fact is it?

Or is it merely speculation from people that think they know whats going on in a strangers head just because they sit 50 yards away from him every other Saturday?

sheeesh
[quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: As much as I liked Vydra I'd much rather have a player in our squad that wants to play for us, her clearly didnt after January. I just wish that there was some concrete news about signings instead of all these rumours.[/p][/quote]“He clearly didn’t want to play for us after January” – That’s hard fact is it? Or is it merely speculation from people that think they know whats going on in a strangers head just because they sit 50 yards away from him every other Saturday? sheeesh Stoney77
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11:20am Wed 19 Jun 13

JonBoy says...

People need to calm down. The Pozzos will make the right decision. If he goes it means they have identified an emerging player who can replace him. The future is bright.
People need to calm down. The Pozzos will make the right decision. If he goes it means they have identified an emerging player who can replace him. The future is bright. JonBoy
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12:18pm Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

It clearly showed in his performances, Deeney carried us like it or not he doesnt want to be with us so he should go.
It clearly showed in his performances, Deeney carried us like it or not he doesnt want to be with us so he should go. PlymouthHornet
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12:19pm Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote: As much as I liked Vydra I'd much rather have a player in our squad that wants to play for us, her clearly didnt after January. I just wish that there was some concrete news about signings instead of all these rumours.
“He clearly didn’t want to play for us after January” – That’s hard fact is it? Or is it merely speculation from people that think they know whats going on in a strangers head just because they sit 50 yards away from him every other Saturday? sheeesh
Opinion based on his performance, dont like it? Tough !
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: As much as I liked Vydra I'd much rather have a player in our squad that wants to play for us, her clearly didnt after January. I just wish that there was some concrete news about signings instead of all these rumours.[/p][/quote]“He clearly didn’t want to play for us after January” – That’s hard fact is it? Or is it merely speculation from people that think they know whats going on in a strangers head just because they sit 50 yards away from him every other Saturday? sheeesh[/p][/quote]Opinion based on his performance, dont like it? Tough ! PlymouthHornet
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12:30pm Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going.

Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.
If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is. PlymouthHornet
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12:44pm Wed 19 Jun 13

Stoney77 says...

PlymouthHornet wrote:
If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going.

Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.
In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you
[quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.[/p][/quote]In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you Stoney77
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1:01pm Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.
In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you
Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others.

If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking.

Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.[/p][/quote]In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you[/p][/quote]Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others. If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking. Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong. PlymouthHornet
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1:56pm Wed 19 Jun 13

Stoney77 says...

PlymouthHornet wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.
In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you
Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others.

If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking.

Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong.
Bullying? Lol… You what? How on earth have I been bullying anyone?

You seem to be a bit of a drama queen.

And where on earth have I said that everyone else’s opinion is wrong?

Your opinion that Vydra has not been ‘committed to the cause’ since January is based solely on your opinion of his performance. You clearly judge a strikers performance on his goals alone, and body language - which proves you know little about football. You also seem to fail to acknowledge that there could be other factors which may have affected his performance, his goal scoring record and his body language (these factors include, but are not limited to: lethargy due to burn out and trying to play twice weekly for a whole season whilst returning from a serious injury; natural loss of confidence; being of a young age (and therefore inconsistent); and being asked to play in a slightly deeper role when teams sit back against us (which happened mainly from February onwards once teamed had worked out how dangerous we were on the counter).

Yes he could have had his head turned but no- one knows that for sure, but the fact that you are adamant that this is the reason for his dip in form surely means that you are the one who is unable to look past and accept anyone else’s opinion.

May I also quote you saying that If I don't like your opinion then that's "tough". Doesn't sound very accommodating to others' opinions does it mate?

take a look in the mirror fella.


Drama queen. Hypocrite. These are my opinions of you, based on what you have written today. Feel free to disagree.
[quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.[/p][/quote]In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you[/p][/quote]Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others. If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking. Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong.[/p][/quote]Bullying? Lol… You what? How on earth have I been bullying anyone? You seem to be a bit of a drama queen. And where on earth have I said that everyone else’s opinion is wrong? Your opinion that Vydra has not been ‘committed to the cause’ since January is based solely on your opinion of his performance. You clearly judge a strikers performance on his goals alone, and body language - which proves you know little about football. You also seem to fail to acknowledge that there could be other factors which may have affected his performance, his goal scoring record and his body language (these factors include, but are not limited to: lethargy due to burn out and trying to play twice weekly for a whole season whilst returning from a serious injury; natural loss of confidence; being of a young age (and therefore inconsistent); and being asked to play in a slightly deeper role when teams sit back against us (which happened mainly from February onwards once teamed had worked out how dangerous we were on the counter). Yes he could have had his head turned but no- one knows that for sure, but the fact that you are adamant that this is the reason for his dip in form surely means that you are the one who is unable to look past and accept anyone else’s opinion. May I also quote you saying that If I don't like your opinion then that's "tough". Doesn't sound very accommodating to others' opinions does it mate? take a look in the mirror fella. Drama queen. Hypocrite. These are my opinions of you, based on what you have written today. Feel free to disagree. Stoney77
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2:07pm Wed 19 Jun 13

Colin West's mullet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.
In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you
Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others.

If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking.

Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong.
Bullying? Lol… You what? How on earth have I been bullying anyone?

You seem to be a bit of a drama queen.

And where on earth have I said that everyone else’s opinion is wrong?

Your opinion that Vydra has not been ‘committed to the cause’ since January is based solely on your opinion of his performance. You clearly judge a strikers performance on his goals alone, and body language - which proves you know little about football. You also seem to fail to acknowledge that there could be other factors which may have affected his performance, his goal scoring record and his body language (these factors include, but are not limited to: lethargy due to burn out and trying to play twice weekly for a whole season whilst returning from a serious injury; natural loss of confidence; being of a young age (and therefore inconsistent); and being asked to play in a slightly deeper role when teams sit back against us (which happened mainly from February onwards once teamed had worked out how dangerous we were on the counter).

Yes he could have had his head turned but no- one knows that for sure, but the fact that you are adamant that this is the reason for his dip in form surely means that you are the one who is unable to look past and accept anyone else’s opinion.

May I also quote you saying that If I don't like your opinion then that's "tough". Doesn't sound very accommodating to others' opinions does it mate?

take a look in the mirror fella.


Drama queen. Hypocrite. These are my opinions of you, based on what you have written today. Feel free to disagree.
hmm. his performances, body language, being dropped and Almunia and Deeney both making public statements post-January regarding his attitude in training...all this following massive speculation about him being poached in Jan - I think 'his head was turned and his heart was no longer at the club' is a fairly level-headed, evidence-based conclusion to draw.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.[/p][/quote]In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you[/p][/quote]Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others. If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking. Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong.[/p][/quote]Bullying? Lol… You what? How on earth have I been bullying anyone? You seem to be a bit of a drama queen. And where on earth have I said that everyone else’s opinion is wrong? Your opinion that Vydra has not been ‘committed to the cause’ since January is based solely on your opinion of his performance. You clearly judge a strikers performance on his goals alone, and body language - which proves you know little about football. You also seem to fail to acknowledge that there could be other factors which may have affected his performance, his goal scoring record and his body language (these factors include, but are not limited to: lethargy due to burn out and trying to play twice weekly for a whole season whilst returning from a serious injury; natural loss of confidence; being of a young age (and therefore inconsistent); and being asked to play in a slightly deeper role when teams sit back against us (which happened mainly from February onwards once teamed had worked out how dangerous we were on the counter). Yes he could have had his head turned but no- one knows that for sure, but the fact that you are adamant that this is the reason for his dip in form surely means that you are the one who is unable to look past and accept anyone else’s opinion. May I also quote you saying that If I don't like your opinion then that's "tough". Doesn't sound very accommodating to others' opinions does it mate? take a look in the mirror fella. Drama queen. Hypocrite. These are my opinions of you, based on what you have written today. Feel free to disagree.[/p][/quote]hmm. his performances, body language, being dropped and Almunia and Deeney both making public statements post-January regarding his attitude in training...all this following massive speculation about him being poached in Jan - I think 'his head was turned and his heart was no longer at the club' is a fairly level-headed, evidence-based conclusion to draw. Colin West's mullet
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2:08pm Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

Of course I disagree, since when were you an accredited football coach seeing as you know so much about it or its Football Manager the extent of your expert knowledge?

My original statement was met with your derisory reply. Which shows the level of intelligence involved from your perspective.

There may be other factors involved, but simply put the commitment was not shown even his team mates commented on his efforts during training or did I miss that point too?

As for the drama queen remark, where in my posting did I mention a drama? As for being a hypocrite, again I fail to see where what I have said proves this, are you yet another back street lawyer with failed credentials?

If I dare to suggest that Vydra is not committed show me evidence to the contrary, you cant so my original statement stands.

Lift your knuckles off from draging on the floor and realise that your 'infomed' opion is not shared by all I just have the guts to state mine albeit it is not the same as yours.
Of course I disagree, since when were you an accredited football coach seeing as you know so much about it or its Football Manager the extent of your expert knowledge? My original statement was met with your derisory reply. Which shows the level of intelligence involved from your perspective. There may be other factors involved, but simply put the commitment was not shown even his team mates commented on his efforts during training or did I miss that point too? As for the drama queen remark, where in my posting did I mention a drama? As for being a hypocrite, again I fail to see where what I have said proves this, are you yet another back street lawyer with failed credentials? If I dare to suggest that Vydra is not committed show me evidence to the contrary, you cant so my original statement stands. Lift your knuckles off from draging on the floor and realise that your 'infomed' opion is not shared by all I just have the guts to state mine albeit it is not the same as yours. PlymouthHornet
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2:16pm Wed 19 Jun 13

Stoney77 says...

PlymouthHornet wrote:
Of course I disagree, since when were you an accredited football coach seeing as you know so much about it or its Football Manager the extent of your expert knowledge?

My original statement was met with your derisory reply. Which shows the level of intelligence involved from your perspective.

There may be other factors involved, but simply put the commitment was not shown even his team mates commented on his efforts during training or did I miss that point too?

As for the drama queen remark, where in my posting did I mention a drama? As for being a hypocrite, again I fail to see where what I have said proves this, are you yet another back street lawyer with failed credentials?

If I dare to suggest that Vydra is not committed show me evidence to the contrary, you cant so my original statement stands.

Lift your knuckles off from draging on the floor and realise that your 'infomed' opion is not shared by all I just have the guts to state mine albeit it is not the same as yours.
Its probably best we just leave it eh?. I could reply to all of your points raised but quite frankly I just don't see the point as it will just go on and on all day, back and forth, back and forth!... I think its best to just agree to disagree.
[quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: Of course I disagree, since when were you an accredited football coach seeing as you know so much about it or its Football Manager the extent of your expert knowledge? My original statement was met with your derisory reply. Which shows the level of intelligence involved from your perspective. There may be other factors involved, but simply put the commitment was not shown even his team mates commented on his efforts during training or did I miss that point too? As for the drama queen remark, where in my posting did I mention a drama? As for being a hypocrite, again I fail to see where what I have said proves this, are you yet another back street lawyer with failed credentials? If I dare to suggest that Vydra is not committed show me evidence to the contrary, you cant so my original statement stands. Lift your knuckles off from draging on the floor and realise that your 'infomed' opion is not shared by all I just have the guts to state mine albeit it is not the same as yours.[/p][/quote]Its probably best we just leave it eh?. I could reply to all of your points raised but quite frankly I just don't see the point as it will just go on and on all day, back and forth, back and forth!... I think its best to just agree to disagree. Stoney77
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2:30pm Wed 19 Jun 13

Stoney77 says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.
In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you
Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others.

If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking.

Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong.
Bullying? Lol… You what? How on earth have I been bullying anyone?

You seem to be a bit of a drama queen.

And where on earth have I said that everyone else’s opinion is wrong?

Your opinion that Vydra has not been ‘committed to the cause’ since January is based solely on your opinion of his performance. You clearly judge a strikers performance on his goals alone, and body language - which proves you know little about football. You also seem to fail to acknowledge that there could be other factors which may have affected his performance, his goal scoring record and his body language (these factors include, but are not limited to: lethargy due to burn out and trying to play twice weekly for a whole season whilst returning from a serious injury; natural loss of confidence; being of a young age (and therefore inconsistent); and being asked to play in a slightly deeper role when teams sit back against us (which happened mainly from February onwards once teamed had worked out how dangerous we were on the counter).

Yes he could have had his head turned but no- one knows that for sure, but the fact that you are adamant that this is the reason for his dip in form surely means that you are the one who is unable to look past and accept anyone else’s opinion.

May I also quote you saying that If I don't like your opinion then that's "tough". Doesn't sound very accommodating to others' opinions does it mate?

take a look in the mirror fella.


Drama queen. Hypocrite. These are my opinions of you, based on what you have written today. Feel free to disagree.
hmm. his performances, body language, being dropped and Almunia and Deeney both making public statements post-January regarding his attitude in training...all this following massive speculation about him being poached in Jan - I think 'his head was turned and his heart was no longer at the club' is a fairly level-headed, evidence-based conclusion to draw.
I dont know what Deeney said about him and would be interested to hear, but to say 'Almunia made a public statement regarding his attitude in Training' is quite sensationalist?

The wobby headline of that particular article did not help and it was the sort of sheite headline I expect to see in The Sun.

For your info, the article was as follows:

On Sunday, the goalkeeper said: “I’m very happy for Matej because I’ve been very upset with him in the last two weeks.

“Not because he didn’t score or missed chances but I think he realised that if he trained well, if he trained well every day, he will play unbelievably in the game.

“And over the last two days he has been great in training and over the last week as well and then today he scored. Football is as simple as this; you play as you train and I think he will do better every day.”

His strike partner for most of the season, Troy Deeney, welcomed Vydra’s return to form and praised his character after the Czech Republic international missed his early chance.

Deeney said: “He missed one just before and obviously when you go through a goal drought your head can slump and you don’t get yourself in those positions.

“But he showed his character and the class has been there to see all season. The goal was a fantastic finish.”

As a footnote, its also prudent to take note that Almunia only referred to 'the last 2 weeks'. You also need to take into consideration his fluency in the language and not necessarily choosing the correct or most pertinent word
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: If Vydra wantas to stay why doesnt he say so his agent is pimping him around to get a good deal (for himself). If this gets into his (Vydra's)head then he is better off going. Shout me down if you like, I am fully behind the Pozzos and what they are doing but a player has to be committed to the cause, in Vydra's case this is not apparent unless you have your head in the sand that is.[/p][/quote]In my opinion I hope my season ticket isn't near you[/p][/quote]Verbal bullying doesnt work with me sorry to say you may get away with it with others. If you cant stand other people's opinions then stick your fingers in your ears and chant la la la when they are talking. Just because you believe something different doesnt make everyone else's opinion wrong.[/p][/quote]Bullying? Lol… You what? How on earth have I been bullying anyone? You seem to be a bit of a drama queen. And where on earth have I said that everyone else’s opinion is wrong? Your opinion that Vydra has not been ‘committed to the cause’ since January is based solely on your opinion of his performance. You clearly judge a strikers performance on his goals alone, and body language - which proves you know little about football. You also seem to fail to acknowledge that there could be other factors which may have affected his performance, his goal scoring record and his body language (these factors include, but are not limited to: lethargy due to burn out and trying to play twice weekly for a whole season whilst returning from a serious injury; natural loss of confidence; being of a young age (and therefore inconsistent); and being asked to play in a slightly deeper role when teams sit back against us (which happened mainly from February onwards once teamed had worked out how dangerous we were on the counter). Yes he could have had his head turned but no- one knows that for sure, but the fact that you are adamant that this is the reason for his dip in form surely means that you are the one who is unable to look past and accept anyone else’s opinion. May I also quote you saying that If I don't like your opinion then that's "tough". Doesn't sound very accommodating to others' opinions does it mate? take a look in the mirror fella. Drama queen. Hypocrite. These are my opinions of you, based on what you have written today. Feel free to disagree.[/p][/quote]hmm. his performances, body language, being dropped and Almunia and Deeney both making public statements post-January regarding his attitude in training...all this following massive speculation about him being poached in Jan - I think 'his head was turned and his heart was no longer at the club' is a fairly level-headed, evidence-based conclusion to draw.[/p][/quote]I dont know what Deeney said about him and would be interested to hear, but to say 'Almunia made a public statement regarding his attitude in Training' is quite sensationalist? The wobby headline of that particular article did not help and it was the sort of sheite headline I expect to see in The Sun. For your info, the article was as follows: On Sunday, the goalkeeper said: “I’m very happy for Matej because I’ve been very upset with him in the last two weeks. “Not because he didn’t score or missed chances but I think he realised that if he trained well, if he trained well every day, he will play unbelievably in the game. “And over the last two days he has been great in training and over the last week as well and then today he scored. Football is as simple as this; you play as you train and I think he will do better every day.” His strike partner for most of the season, Troy Deeney, welcomed Vydra’s return to form and praised his character after the Czech Republic international missed his early chance. Deeney said: “He missed one just before and obviously when you go through a goal drought your head can slump and you don’t get yourself in those positions. “But he showed his character and the class has been there to see all season. The goal was a fantastic finish.” As a footnote, its also prudent to take note that Almunia only referred to 'the last 2 weeks'. You also need to take into consideration his fluency in the language and not necessarily choosing the correct or most pertinent word Stoney77
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2:32pm Wed 19 Jun 13

1234566789 says...

Stoney77 wrote:
PlymouthHornet wrote:
Of course I disagree, since when were you an accredited football coach seeing as you know so much about it or its Football Manager the extent of your expert knowledge?

My original statement was met with your derisory reply. Which shows the level of intelligence involved from your perspective.

There may be other factors involved, but simply put the commitment was not shown even his team mates commented on his efforts during training or did I miss that point too?

As for the drama queen remark, where in my posting did I mention a drama? As for being a hypocrite, again I fail to see where what I have said proves this, are you yet another back street lawyer with failed credentials?

If I dare to suggest that Vydra is not committed show me evidence to the contrary, you cant so my original statement stands.

Lift your knuckles off from draging on the floor and realise that your 'infomed' opion is not shared by all I just have the guts to state mine albeit it is not the same as yours.
Its probably best we just leave it eh?. I could reply to all of your points raised but quite frankly I just don't see the point as it will just go on and on all day, back and forth, back and forth!... I think its best to just agree to disagree.
I AM an FA qualified coach and I have to agree with Stoney on this one I'm afraid.....

Also, who is the muppet saying Almunia made "post-January" remarks about Vydra's training? I assume you are referring to his statement on 17th May. Whilst this is indeed "post-January", he only refers to the "past two weeks" in suggesting Vydra hadn't trained so well. Is that really indicative of his head turning in January????????????
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlymouthHornet[/bold] wrote: Of course I disagree, since when were you an accredited football coach seeing as you know so much about it or its Football Manager the extent of your expert knowledge? My original statement was met with your derisory reply. Which shows the level of intelligence involved from your perspective. There may be other factors involved, but simply put the commitment was not shown even his team mates commented on his efforts during training or did I miss that point too? As for the drama queen remark, where in my posting did I mention a drama? As for being a hypocrite, again I fail to see where what I have said proves this, are you yet another back street lawyer with failed credentials? If I dare to suggest that Vydra is not committed show me evidence to the contrary, you cant so my original statement stands. Lift your knuckles off from draging on the floor and realise that your 'infomed' opion is not shared by all I just have the guts to state mine albeit it is not the same as yours.[/p][/quote]Its probably best we just leave it eh?. I could reply to all of your points raised but quite frankly I just don't see the point as it will just go on and on all day, back and forth, back and forth!... I think its best to just agree to disagree.[/p][/quote]I AM an FA qualified coach and I have to agree with Stoney on this one I'm afraid..... Also, who is the muppet saying Almunia made "post-January" remarks about Vydra's training? I assume you are referring to his statement on 17th May. Whilst this is indeed "post-January", he only refers to the "past two weeks" in suggesting Vydra hadn't trained so well. Is that really indicative of his head turning in January???????????? 1234566789
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3:00pm Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

Qualified or not the opinion expressed is mine and no matter what level of qualifications etc you too buddies have it wont change. He will be off in shot once his agent has lined his pockets and found a 'better' club for him.

Dont get to hung up on Vydra, the Pozzos will find a suitable if not better replacement.
Qualified or not the opinion expressed is mine and no matter what level of qualifications etc you too buddies have it wont change. He will be off in shot once his agent has lined his pockets and found a 'better' club for him. Dont get to hung up on Vydra, the Pozzos will find a suitable if not better replacement. PlymouthHornet
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3:21pm Wed 19 Jun 13

Colin West's mullet says...

Okay, I don't have the energy to continue this debate - I think it is blindingly obvious that he wants to go, and it has been (P/Offs aside) since the transfer window closed. I also think that it IS the best thing for him, and indeed for us.

But other people disagree and neither side looks likely to persuade the other so let's just let things take their course and see how it all ends up.
Okay, I don't have the energy to continue this debate - I think it is blindingly obvious that he wants to go, and it has been (P/Offs aside) since the transfer window closed. I also think that it IS the best thing for him, and indeed for us. But other people disagree and neither side looks likely to persuade the other so let's just let things take their course and see how it all ends up. Colin West's mullet
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3:32pm Wed 19 Jun 13

PlymouthHornet says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
Okay, I don't have the energy to continue this debate - I think it is blindingly obvious that he wants to go, and it has been (P/Offs aside) since the transfer window closed. I also think that it IS the best thing for him, and indeed for us. But other people disagree and neither side looks likely to persuade the other so let's just let things take their course and see how it all ends up.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: Okay, I don't have the energy to continue this debate - I think it is blindingly obvious that he wants to go, and it has been (P/Offs aside) since the transfer window closed. I also think that it IS the best thing for him, and indeed for us. But other people disagree and neither side looks likely to persuade the other so let's just let things take their course and see how it all ends up.[/p][/quote]Agreed PlymouthHornet
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11:03pm Wed 19 Jun 13

Watforce says...

Jeez this is exciting stuff.
There would be nothing to read on here if it weren't Vydra's agent, can't wait for tomorrow's episode.
Why not have a poll to settle the issue of Vydra, should he stay or should he go?
Jeez this is exciting stuff. There would be nothing to read on here if it weren't Vydra's agent, can't wait for tomorrow's episode. Why not have a poll to settle the issue of Vydra, should he stay or should he go? Watforce
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8:26am Thu 20 Jun 13

corbindallas says...

He's not even our player but clearly the opinions are divided, head turned or not it all really started when talk was raised of a big transfer in January and after his international appearance (and he scored), yes all players have slumps and for Vydra this was a 13 game goal drought, burnt out, maybe, but then his whole appearance changed as well on pitch I watched some of these games and would describe him as lazy in approach, others he would run around like a headless chicken and definatley lost his bond with Deeney that had produced some amazing football, It is very difficult for other players to speak out about their team mates and I think the clues were there for all to see in Almunias comment, he was pointing out what the majority of fans feel and was being carefull on time frames in my opinion. Vydra needs to move on and we need to worry about the next person to wear our badge and wear it with honour.
He's not even our player but clearly the opinions are divided, head turned or not it all really started when talk was raised of a big transfer in January and after his international appearance (and he scored), yes all players have slumps and for Vydra this was a 13 game goal drought, burnt out, maybe, but then his whole appearance changed as well on pitch I watched some of these games and would describe him as lazy in approach, others he would run around like a headless chicken and definatley lost his bond with Deeney that had produced some amazing football, It is very difficult for other players to speak out about their team mates and I think the clues were there for all to see in Almunias comment, he was pointing out what the majority of fans feel and was being carefull on time frames in my opinion. Vydra needs to move on and we need to worry about the next person to wear our badge and wear it with honour. corbindallas
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8:35am Thu 20 Jun 13

mellow yellow says...

Unless we hear it from Vydra himself, we are left with nothing more than subjective observations on both sides. The difference, it seems, is that some people think they KNOW how Vydra feels... Both on and off the pitch. I would like the Vydra that hit superb form to stay, but my gut feeling is he wants top flight football and wants it now. That is his choice.
Unless we hear it from Vydra himself, we are left with nothing more than subjective observations on both sides. The difference, it seems, is that some people think they KNOW how Vydra feels... Both on and off the pitch. I would like the Vydra that hit superb form to stay, but my gut feeling is he wants top flight football and wants it now. That is his choice. mellow yellow
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8:56am Thu 20 Jun 13

corbindallas says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Unless we hear it from Vydra himself, we are left with nothing more than subjective observations on both sides. The difference, it seems, is that some people think they KNOW how Vydra feels... Both on and off the pitch. I would like the Vydra that hit superb form to stay, but my gut feeling is he wants top flight football and wants it now. That is his choice.
I wouldn't write off Almunia's opinion on him though compared to the fans he would know how things were in training and with the rest of the team.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: Unless we hear it from Vydra himself, we are left with nothing more than subjective observations on both sides. The difference, it seems, is that some people think they KNOW how Vydra feels... Both on and off the pitch. I would like the Vydra that hit superb form to stay, but my gut feeling is he wants top flight football and wants it now. That is his choice.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't write off Almunia's opinion on him though compared to the fans he would know how things were in training and with the rest of the team. corbindallas
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9:06am Thu 20 Jun 13

Harry's Bar says...

Watforce wrote:
Jeez this is exciting stuff.
There would be nothing to read on here if it weren't Vydra's agent, can't wait for tomorrow's episode.
Why not have a poll to settle the issue of Vydra, should he stay or should he go?
Don't give the WO ideas like that.
[quote][p][bold]Watforce[/bold] wrote: Jeez this is exciting stuff. There would be nothing to read on here if it weren't Vydra's agent, can't wait for tomorrow's episode. Why not have a poll to settle the issue of Vydra, should he stay or should he go?[/p][/quote]Don't give the WO ideas like that. Harry's Bar
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9:39am Thu 20 Jun 13

mellow yellow says...

corbindallas wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Unless we hear it from Vydra himself, we are left with nothing more than subjective observations on both sides. The difference, it seems, is that some people think they KNOW how Vydra feels... Both on and off the pitch. I would like the Vydra that hit superb form to stay, but my gut feeling is he wants top flight football and wants it now. That is his choice.
I wouldn't write off Almunia's opinion on him though compared to the fans he would know how things were in training and with the rest of the team.
I'm not writing off Almunia's opinion, but not am I expecting it to be anything other than a potential misquote or misreading of an interview. I didn't hear it personally. Did you?
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: Unless we hear it from Vydra himself, we are left with nothing more than subjective observations on both sides. The difference, it seems, is that some people think they KNOW how Vydra feels... Both on and off the pitch. I would like the Vydra that hit superb form to stay, but my gut feeling is he wants top flight football and wants it now. That is his choice.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't write off Almunia's opinion on him though compared to the fans he would know how things were in training and with the rest of the team.[/p][/quote]I'm not writing off Almunia's opinion, but not am I expecting it to be anything other than a potential misquote or misreading of an interview. I didn't hear it personally. Did you? mellow yellow
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9:43am Tue 25 Jun 13

JonBoy says...

It's gone very quiet now. I'm wondering if the Agent whipped up this media interest prior to sitting down and negotiating with the Pozzos to try and strengthen his position.

Perhaps he is about to sign for us
It's gone very quiet now. I'm wondering if the Agent whipped up this media interest prior to sitting down and negotiating with the Pozzos to try and strengthen his position. Perhaps he is about to sign for us JonBoy
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