Watford's hopes of re-signing Nathaniel Chalobah on loan are fading but the Hornets have identified other targets

Watford Observer: Nathaniel Chalobah enjoyed a successful loan spell at Watford last season. Picture: Holly Cant Nathaniel Chalobah enjoyed a successful loan spell at Watford last season. Picture: Holly Cant

Watford's hopes of re-signing Nathaniel Chalobah are fading but the club does have alternative loan options in place if the Chelsea midfielder moves elsewhere, the Watford Observer understands.

Gianfranco Zola admitted yesterday (Thursday) that “not much” progress has been made in the Hornets’ attempts to bring back the England Under-21 international and efforts to agree a deal are proving “very difficult”.

The 18-year-old midfielder is thought to be keen on a return to Vicarage Road after becoming a key figure in Watford’s promotion push last season, scoring five goals in a total of 42 appearances.

However, we understand Chelsea are favouring a move to a club willing to pay most, if not all of his wages after he signed a new five-year deal at Stamford Bridge this summer, reported to be worth in the region of £30,000 to £35,000 a week.

With Nottingham Forest being strongly linked with the player, Watford may miss out on another loan target after Tottenham Hotspur’s Tom Carroll opted for a move to Queens Park Rangers.

Zola told the Watford Observer last week that “we are not a team that can offer the type of wages QPR are offering right now” and commenting on Chalobah, he added: “We can’t offer what other clubs can offer in terms of money but I think we can attract players. Nathaniel knows what we are and Chelsea know the type of work we do.

“We can still give Nathaniel something to help him develop. So I am relying on this and we’ll see what we can do.”

But asked if there had been any progress yesterday, the Hornets’ head coach responded: “Not much. Nathaniel is a player that has done very well for us. It is a possibility but it’s very difficult. We’re going to try our best but it is very difficult. We’ll see what happens.”

While the prospect of re-signing Chalobah looks unlikely, we understand the Hornets have other options they can pursue now the loan window has opened.

Zola hinted at this when asked if there was the prospect of other new arrivals.

“There might be a couple of opportunities but we want to see,” he said. “I think it is also down to how we produce the results right now.

“There are some positions, especially in midfield, where we could look for improvements but I don’t want to rush anything.

“If we see the opportunity to improve the squad we will do that but we are not in a position in which we have to do something because we are desperate.”

One deal Watford have completed this week is the signing of free agent Gary Woods, who has been training with the club since last month.

With three senior goalkeepers now on the books after the former Doncaster Rovers stopper committed himself to a one-year deal, this led to some speculation that Jonathan Bond may leave on loan to get a run of games under his belt.

But Zola said: “No, I will keep three and we will see if there are opportunities to maybe give Gary some games but we’ll see. But Bondy at the moment will stay with us.”

Commenting on the signing of the 22-year-old former Manchester United trainee who made 49 appearances for the League One champions last season, Zola said: “Gary has come here on trial and we like him as a professional and also as a goalkeeper. We played him in a friendly against Stevenage and he did very well so we believe he’s got everything we need and we can help him to progress.

“Obviously with the presence of two very good goalkeepers we have in Manuel (Alumina) and Bondy, I think we can help him to get better and I think it can be something good for both of us.”

Woods told the Hornets’ official website: “It’s good to get things done as it’s been a long summer. I felt this move was right for me and hopefully I can kick on. This is a good place to be. Everybody here is very down to earth, they all work hard and it seems a very good family-orientated club.

“I’ve played a lot of games at a young age but to work with the likes of Alec Chamberlain and Manuel Almunia, I think it’s a forward step to be able to get that experience from them. I think their help can take me onto the next level."

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8:18am Fri 13 Sep 13

watford1881 says...

Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..
Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs.. watford1881

8:50am Fri 13 Sep 13

Watford4eva says...

Not sure he's worth 30k a week
Not sure he's worth 30k a week Watford4eva

9:02am Fri 13 Sep 13

Goldenboy1960 says...

Who is helping who here? It seems to me that Chelsea want us to pay phenominal wages (which only they can afford) in order to develop a player for them. So who really gains in the long term? They may say, "well he is helping you", but then he goes back to them a better player, and we have to plug a big hole. Given the delivery from Greg Dyke last week why aren't they playing him in their first team? He is English and will play for his country at full level. For me he is good enough to play in the Premiership, so why aren't they? Now if you want to see where the problem lies in English football, that is it!
Who is helping who here? It seems to me that Chelsea want us to pay phenominal wages (which only they can afford) in order to develop a player for them. So who really gains in the long term? They may say, "well he is helping you", but then he goes back to them a better player, and we have to plug a big hole. Given the delivery from Greg Dyke last week why aren't they playing him in their first team? He is English and will play for his country at full level. For me he is good enough to play in the Premiership, so why aren't they? Now if you want to see where the problem lies in English football, that is it! Goldenboy1960

9:06am Fri 13 Sep 13

HornetJJ says...

I understand that Chelsea would want the best deal financially but surely the development of their player should be their top priority. Chalobah clearly wants to come back to Watford and learning from Zola is of benefit to both the player and Chelsea.
I understand that Chelsea would want the best deal financially but surely the development of their player should be their top priority. Chalobah clearly wants to come back to Watford and learning from Zola is of benefit to both the player and Chelsea. HornetJJ

9:09am Fri 13 Sep 13

jasonwatford says...

Not strong enough for me...When players let him play yes is a great talent but in slog of championship just not got it. Let's move on and get battochio involved more.
Not strong enough for me...When players let him play yes is a great talent but in slog of championship just not got it. Let's move on and get battochio involved more. jasonwatford

9:13am Fri 13 Sep 13

cbuk1983 says...

This is absolutely typical of why the top clubs are simply making it impossible for clubs like Watford to work with an academy. Clubs like Chelsea can afford to pluck the players by offering them ridiculous salaries. I'm fed up with being used as a scapegoat for all that's wrong with English football - and yet clubs like Chelsea and Man City can spend money far beyond their profits.
This is absolutely typical of why the top clubs are simply making it impossible for clubs like Watford to work with an academy. Clubs like Chelsea can afford to pluck the players by offering them ridiculous salaries. I'm fed up with being used as a scapegoat for all that's wrong with English football - and yet clubs like Chelsea and Man City can spend money far beyond their profits. cbuk1983

9:13am Fri 13 Sep 13

Harry's Bar says...

watford1881 wrote:
Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..
It's a difficult one to call. Do you take a punt and throw money at it or keep to a sensible business plan. The Pozzo's are going to stick to option two. To get us promoted Simpson went for the first option up and failed, which admittedly wasn't completely his fault.

I think Wigan or Forest would be making a mistake taking Chalobah on £35k a week. The kid doesn't want to be there.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..[/p][/quote]It's a difficult one to call. Do you take a punt and throw money at it or keep to a sensible business plan. The Pozzo's are going to stick to option two. To get us promoted Simpson went for the first option up and failed, which admittedly wasn't completely his fault. I think Wigan or Forest would be making a mistake taking Chalobah on £35k a week. The kid doesn't want to be there. Harry's Bar

9:14am Fri 13 Sep 13

Chris the Vic says...

He is a year older and a year stronger. We miss him and if we do not get him we have a more difficult job in replacing a player who knows what we are about.
He is a year older and a year stronger. We miss him and if we do not get him we have a more difficult job in replacing a player who knows what we are about. Chris the Vic

9:21am Fri 13 Sep 13

Bush Hornet says...

Watford4eva wrote:
Not sure he's worth 30k a week
Of course he's not. He's just a kid with great potential. Chelsea suck.
[quote][p][bold]Watford4eva[/bold] wrote: Not sure he's worth 30k a week[/p][/quote]Of course he's not. He's just a kid with great potential. Chelsea suck. Bush Hornet

9:24am Fri 13 Sep 13

Bush Hornet says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
Who is helping who here? It seems to me that Chelsea want us to pay phenominal wages (which only they can afford) in order to develop a player for them. So who really gains in the long term? They may say, "well he is helping you", but then he goes back to them a better player, and we have to plug a big hole. Given the delivery from Greg Dyke last week why aren't they playing him in their first team? He is English and will play for his country at full level. For me he is good enough to play in the Premiership, so why aren't they? Now if you want to see where the problem lies in English football, that is it!
Chelsea are, to quote Martin Samuels, everything that's wrong with football. I like Nathaniel but don't want to be shafted by Chelski. Lets move on.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: Who is helping who here? It seems to me that Chelsea want us to pay phenominal wages (which only they can afford) in order to develop a player for them. So who really gains in the long term? They may say, "well he is helping you", but then he goes back to them a better player, and we have to plug a big hole. Given the delivery from Greg Dyke last week why aren't they playing him in their first team? He is English and will play for his country at full level. For me he is good enough to play in the Premiership, so why aren't they? Now if you want to see where the problem lies in English football, that is it![/p][/quote]Chelsea are, to quote Martin Samuels, everything that's wrong with football. I like Nathaniel but don't want to be shafted by Chelski. Lets move on. Bush Hornet

9:25am Fri 13 Sep 13

JohnnyHornet says...

watford1881 wrote:
Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..
I'd rather beg, borrow and steal from anywhere han pay £ 35k a week, totally bl00dy ludicrous amount.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..[/p][/quote]I'd rather beg, borrow and steal from anywhere han pay £ 35k a week, totally bl00dy ludicrous amount. JohnnyHornet

9:26am Fri 13 Sep 13

JohnnyHornet says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..
I'd rather beg, borrow and steal from anywhere han pay £ 35k a week, totally bl00dy ludicrous amount.
*than*
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..[/p][/quote]I'd rather beg, borrow and steal from anywhere han pay £ 35k a week, totally bl00dy ludicrous amount.[/p][/quote]*than* JohnnyHornet

9:27am Fri 13 Sep 13

Bush Hornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Not strong enough for me...When players let him play yes is a great talent but in slog of championship just not got it. Let's move on and get battochio involved more.
I agree. Love Battochio. He needs more games.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Not strong enough for me...When players let him play yes is a great talent but in slog of championship just not got it. Let's move on and get battochio involved more.[/p][/quote]I agree. Love Battochio. He needs more games. Bush Hornet

9:27am Fri 13 Sep 13

JohnnyHornet says...

Chris the Vic wrote:
He is a year older and a year stronger. We miss him and if we do not get him we have a more difficult job in replacing a player who knows what we are about.
I watched the highlights of the season on HP last night, and the one we miss most I think is Hoggy.
[quote][p][bold]Chris the Vic[/bold] wrote: He is a year older and a year stronger. We miss him and if we do not get him we have a more difficult job in replacing a player who knows what we are about.[/p][/quote]I watched the highlights of the season on HP last night, and the one we miss most I think is Hoggy. JohnnyHornet

9:29am Fri 13 Sep 13

a1derek says...

Play Battocchio! Why bring in more loans when we have an outstanding player of our own???
Play Battocchio! Why bring in more loans when we have an outstanding player of our own??? a1derek

9:33am Fri 13 Sep 13

mitch kings langley says...

No one has said we will pay his full wages of 30 k Watford have offered less money for him than we paid last season for some reason?
That's why Chelsea have not agreed to let him go!
No one has said we will pay his full wages of 30 k Watford have offered less money for him than we paid last season for some reason? That's why Chelsea have not agreed to let him go! mitch kings langley

9:38am Fri 13 Sep 13

neilhorn says...

i agree with everyone - its nothing to do with us that Chelsea decide to pay him a ridiculous figure, i wold like him in the squad but I don't want to go down that road of paying beyond our means. i want to know the club is still gonna be here in 5 years. Also if he came in on 35k a week it will cause disharmony among the other more senior pros, and rightly so.
Let Chelsea (aka Sibneft) crack on, nothing we can do about it - but don't dance to their tune. When Abramovic leaves they are up shxt creek and will be playing Pompey in League 2 before they know it. These stupid salaries are actually quite insulting to the fans in the current economic climate and are really starting to annoy me. So let Forest or Wigan get conned into paying it if they want, we'll stay out of it thanks
i agree with everyone - its nothing to do with us that Chelsea decide to pay him a ridiculous figure, i wold like him in the squad but I don't want to go down that road of paying beyond our means. i want to know the club is still gonna be here in 5 years. Also if he came in on 35k a week it will cause disharmony among the other more senior pros, and rightly so. Let Chelsea (aka Sibneft) crack on, nothing we can do about it - but don't dance to their tune. When Abramovic leaves they are up shxt creek and will be playing Pompey in League 2 before they know it. These stupid salaries are actually quite insulting to the fans in the current economic climate and are really starting to annoy me. So let Forest or Wigan get conned into paying it if they want, we'll stay out of it thanks neilhorn

10:17am Fri 13 Sep 13

Denzil D says...

Chelsea have priced themselves out of the best available option for them and their player. They should have structured his new contract for the possibility that a PL loan wouldn't happen and that the boy must then accept Championship wages (albeit still very good ones).
It's not like he wouldn't have still signed the 5-year deal, surely?

As other have said, it's all about development for NC this year (and probably next). Get that right and the really big money will follow for the player and Chelsea get a homegrown first-teamer.

Would love to have him back, but only within our existing wage structure.
Chelsea have priced themselves out of the best available option for them and their player. They should have structured his new contract for the possibility that a PL loan wouldn't happen and that the boy must then accept Championship wages (albeit still very good ones). It's not like he wouldn't have still signed the 5-year deal, surely? As other have said, it's all about development for NC this year (and probably next). Get that right and the really big money will follow for the player and Chelsea get a homegrown first-teamer. Would love to have him back, but only within our existing wage structure. Denzil D

10:37am Fri 13 Sep 13

Harry's Bar says...

Denzil D wrote:
Chelsea have priced themselves out of the best available option for them and their player. They should have structured his new contract for the possibility that a PL loan wouldn't happen and that the boy must then accept Championship wages (albeit still very good ones).
It's not like he wouldn't have still signed the 5-year deal, surely?

As other have said, it's all about development for NC this year (and probably next). Get that right and the really big money will follow for the player and Chelsea get a homegrown first-teamer.

Would love to have him back, but only within our existing wage structure.
Exactly. Chelsea have shot themselves in the foot. This story is a microcosm of everything that's wrong with football. It's all about money to Chelsea but football isn't about money, like a Bank or something, it's about players and supporters.
[quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: Chelsea have priced themselves out of the best available option for them and their player. They should have structured his new contract for the possibility that a PL loan wouldn't happen and that the boy must then accept Championship wages (albeit still very good ones). It's not like he wouldn't have still signed the 5-year deal, surely? As other have said, it's all about development for NC this year (and probably next). Get that right and the really big money will follow for the player and Chelsea get a homegrown first-teamer. Would love to have him back, but only within our existing wage structure.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Chelsea have shot themselves in the foot. This story is a microcosm of everything that's wrong with football. It's all about money to Chelsea but football isn't about money, like a Bank or something, it's about players and supporters. Harry's Bar

10:53am Fri 13 Sep 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

neilhorn wrote:
i agree with everyone - its nothing to do with us that Chelsea decide to pay him a ridiculous figure, i wold like him in the squad but I don't want to go down that road of paying beyond our means. i want to know the club is still gonna be here in 5 years. Also if he came in on 35k a week it will cause disharmony among the other more senior pros, and rightly so.
Let Chelsea (aka Sibneft) crack on, nothing we can do about it - but don't dance to their tune. When Abramovic leaves they are up shxt creek and will be playing Pompey in League 2 before they know it. These stupid salaries are actually quite insulting to the fans in the current economic climate and are really starting to annoy me. So let Forest or Wigan get conned into paying it if they want, we'll stay out of it thanks
Ok, but don't go crying if they pip us to 2nd spot in May !
[quote][p][bold]neilhorn[/bold] wrote: i agree with everyone - its nothing to do with us that Chelsea decide to pay him a ridiculous figure, i wold like him in the squad but I don't want to go down that road of paying beyond our means. i want to know the club is still gonna be here in 5 years. Also if he came in on 35k a week it will cause disharmony among the other more senior pros, and rightly so. Let Chelsea (aka Sibneft) crack on, nothing we can do about it - but don't dance to their tune. When Abramovic leaves they are up shxt creek and will be playing Pompey in League 2 before they know it. These stupid salaries are actually quite insulting to the fans in the current economic climate and are really starting to annoy me. So let Forest or Wigan get conned into paying it if they want, we'll stay out of it thanks[/p][/quote]Ok, but don't go crying if they pip us to 2nd spot in May ! Mickey Quinn, not so thin

11:51am Fri 13 Sep 13

Feff says...

Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good!
Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good! Feff

12:07pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Feff says...

One other thought occurs. Why didn't Vydra come back on loan? Because the Pozzos would not pay the inflated salary that he gets from WBA. The fact that West Brom is a Premiership side is only part of the story. Money was the deciding factor.
One other thought occurs. Why didn't Vydra come back on loan? Because the Pozzos would not pay the inflated salary that he gets from WBA. The fact that West Brom is a Premiership side is only part of the story. Money was the deciding factor. Feff

12:24pm Fri 13 Sep 13

AngelHornet says...

Feff wrote:
Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good!
Why not play 3-4-2-1. That way we can have Fabbrini, Forestieri and Deeney in the same team.
Abdi and Iriney the centre midfield roles, with plenty of alternatives when required. Faraoni/Cassetti right midfield and Anya/Pudil on the left.
Defensively we have plenty of options to.
If Zola wants to bring in loan players, so be it; but the potential threat of the forward line is exciting.
Just my opinion
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good![/p][/quote]Why not play 3-4-2-1. That way we can have Fabbrini, Forestieri and Deeney in the same team. Abdi and Iriney the centre midfield roles, with plenty of alternatives when required. Faraoni/Cassetti right midfield and Anya/Pudil on the left. Defensively we have plenty of options to. If Zola wants to bring in loan players, so be it; but the potential threat of the forward line is exciting. Just my opinion AngelHornet

12:29pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Harry's Bar says...

Feff wrote:
Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good!
Is there a contradiction in there somewhere?
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good![/p][/quote]Is there a contradiction in there somewhere? Harry's Bar

12:50pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Boxhorn says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Feff wrote: Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good!
Is there a contradiction in there somewhere?
yes Feff, who actually do you want up front?
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: Football is a business (how about that for a cliche)? If Chelsea can get mote towards NC' s ridiculously high salary from Forest or Wigan they'll send him there. Why should we think we can get him cheaper? He may want to come here but he is not the boss - Abrahamovic is. We miss him, as we do Vyrda and Hogg, but there is nothing we can do except cough up the money which the Pozzos quite rightly don't want to do. We need another midfielder and also another striker. Let's hope we can get them for reasonable money. I worry about Ireney and, for a different reason, about Acuna. Why won't GFZ play him with Deeney. Fabbrini and Forestieri are not the answer. Alternatively, drop Deeney - yes, drop Deeney - and try Fabbrini and Forestieri together. Two strikers running at defences might be interesting, particularly with Anya running at them from the wing. Could be good![/p][/quote]Is there a contradiction in there somewhere?[/p][/quote]yes Feff, who actually do you want up front? Boxhorn

1:00pm Fri 13 Sep 13

endean2 says...

right so who do we have lined up then?

whilst we do have a good squad I am not sure its good enough to get us promoted ( better duck the brickbats now) we have lost what was arguably our best talent from last year and I for one don't think we have replaced them
yet,
certainly I have faith in this Management..........
.BUT we do need that extra
sparkle in the team.
right so who do we have lined up then? whilst we do have a good squad I am not sure its good enough to get us promoted ( better duck the brickbats now) we have lost what was arguably our best talent from last year and I for one don't think we have replaced them yet, certainly I have faith in this Management.......... .BUT we do need that extra sparkle in the team. endean2

1:22pm Fri 13 Sep 13

JohnnyHornet says...

Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ? JohnnyHornet

1:24pm Fri 13 Sep 13

peter10531089 says...

endean2 wrote:
right so who do we have lined up then?

whilst we do have a good squad I am not sure its good enough to get us promoted ( better duck the brickbats now) we have lost what was arguably our best talent from last year and I for one don't think we have replaced them
yet,
certainly I have faith in this Management..........

.BUT we do need that extra
sparkle in the team.
No Brickbats - i kind of agree but I would say that this team has not yet found itself and thus is still some what mis-firing. There is no guarantee that they will be as good as last years team were (once they had got up to running speed) but when you consider the fact that many of the players are adapting to a new type of football, with a different level and sense of physicality, new team mates , new formation, new culture etc... then it is no surprise that it is taking a little time.

The international break coming straight after the Blackpool game was little like conceding a goal just before half time in as much as we have had longer to dwell on the result and forget that in the first half of that game we did start to click.

For the person who says drop Deeney - I personally disagree, he has been outstanding for a long period and is (by his own high standards) going through a slight dip, I think we will see him come back strong tomorrow
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: right so who do we have lined up then? whilst we do have a good squad I am not sure its good enough to get us promoted ( better duck the brickbats now) we have lost what was arguably our best talent from last year and I for one don't think we have replaced them yet, certainly I have faith in this Management.......... .BUT we do need that extra sparkle in the team.[/p][/quote]No Brickbats - i kind of agree but I would say that this team has not yet found itself and thus is still some what mis-firing. There is no guarantee that they will be as good as last years team were (once they had got up to running speed) but when you consider the fact that many of the players are adapting to a new type of football, with a different level and sense of physicality, new team mates , new formation, new culture etc... then it is no surprise that it is taking a little time. The international break coming straight after the Blackpool game was little like conceding a goal just before half time in as much as we have had longer to dwell on the result and forget that in the first half of that game we did start to click. For the person who says drop Deeney - I personally disagree, he has been outstanding for a long period and is (by his own high standards) going through a slight dip, I think we will see him come back strong tomorrow peter10531089

1:51pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Johnny Ryden says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney. Johnny Ryden

1:52pm Fri 13 Sep 13

BigRussMalta says...

who gives a **** if we get him back or not!?!?!?! WOBBY going off on one again talkin **** and 'rumour' trash YAWN
who gives a **** if we get him back or not!?!?!?! WOBBY going off on one again talkin **** and 'rumour' trash YAWN BigRussMalta

2:02pm Fri 13 Sep 13

neil-bs says...

watford1881 wrote:
Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..
I do think your standpoint is somewhat negative and not really worth sharing.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Not very likely to get NC back then.. Until we can pay wages for top players we'll end up with what we can beg for from Italy or Spanish clubs..[/p][/quote]I do think your standpoint is somewhat negative and not really worth sharing. neil-bs

2:04pm Fri 13 Sep 13

ramage1996 says...

Paying Chalobah 35k a week as an 18 year old who had an above average season with us?
I think we should keep the 1.82 millions a year and invest it in a new stand.

Battochio is good cover for Ireney, Murray and Smith deserve a chance in a more advanced role.

Im glad this has fallen through
Paying Chalobah 35k a week as an 18 year old who had an above average season with us? I think we should keep the 1.82 millions a year and invest it in a new stand. Battochio is good cover for Ireney, Murray and Smith deserve a chance in a more advanced role. Im glad this has fallen through ramage1996

2:08pm Fri 13 Sep 13

matey_from_brighton says...

Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
[quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that. matey_from_brighton

2:17pm Fri 13 Sep 13

ramage1996 says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were.
Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were. Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra ramage1996

2:36pm Fri 13 Sep 13

matey_from_brighton says...

ramage1996 wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were.
Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra
Closest for me was Mo Johnson - quite a lot of similarities (great on one v ones with the keeper) and same ambition to move to the "big time" as soon as he could. Luther was a great all round athlete but did miss quite a few chances.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were. Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra[/p][/quote]Closest for me was Mo Johnson - quite a lot of similarities (great on one v ones with the keeper) and same ambition to move to the "big time" as soon as he could. Luther was a great all round athlete but did miss quite a few chances. matey_from_brighton

2:39pm Fri 13 Sep 13

neilhorn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were.
Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra
Maurice Johnston was the best finisher I've ever seen
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were. Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra[/p][/quote]Maurice Johnston was the best finisher I've ever seen neilhorn

2:51pm Fri 13 Sep 13

demerit says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Not often that I read a post that I agree 100% to. Must be the Sussex air that we both breathe.
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Not often that I read a post that I agree 100% to. Must be the Sussex air that we both breathe. demerit

2:58pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Never seen a better finisher in the flesh in my life than vydra when he was really on his game. Better than Johnston, definitely better than Luther. Whether we're bitter or not about losing him, we really do miss his pace and the fear it instilled in opponents, and that's difficult to replace.
Never seen a better finisher in the flesh in my life than vydra when he was really on his game. Better than Johnston, definitely better than Luther. Whether we're bitter or not about losing him, we really do miss his pace and the fear it instilled in opponents, and that's difficult to replace. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

3:03pm Fri 13 Sep 13

neil-bs says...

cbuk1983 wrote:
This is absolutely typical of why the top clubs are simply making it impossible for clubs like Watford to work with an academy. Clubs like Chelsea can afford to pluck the players by offering them ridiculous salaries. I'm fed up with being used as a scapegoat for all that's wrong with English football - and yet clubs like Chelsea and Man City can spend money far beyond their profits.
1,5 million plus is ridiculous money for a young player. Noone knows whether he can stand the pace and pressure of modern football and he hasn't had enough time to establish whether or not he is injury prone.
Until a few weeks ago Lewandowski was on a bit over 2 million Euros at Dortmund hardly any more than Chalobah. He has now doubled his wage but at least he has shown what he can do and on other stages than Vicarage Road.
[quote][p][bold]cbuk1983[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely typical of why the top clubs are simply making it impossible for clubs like Watford to work with an academy. Clubs like Chelsea can afford to pluck the players by offering them ridiculous salaries. I'm fed up with being used as a scapegoat for all that's wrong with English football - and yet clubs like Chelsea and Man City can spend money far beyond their profits.[/p][/quote]1,5 million plus is ridiculous money for a young player. Noone knows whether he can stand the pace and pressure of modern football and he hasn't had enough time to establish whether or not he is injury prone. Until a few weeks ago Lewandowski was on a bit over 2 million Euros at Dortmund hardly any more than Chalobah. He has now doubled his wage but at least he has shown what he can do and on other stages than Vicarage Road. neil-bs

3:17pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Bush Hornet says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
Chris the Vic wrote:
He is a year older and a year stronger. We miss him and if we do not get him we have a more difficult job in replacing a player who knows what we are about.
I watched the highlights of the season on HP last night, and the one we miss most I think is Hoggy.
Hogg was underrated for sure. Rarely see a player work so hard. But I think we'll do ok without him. We've done ok so far and let's not forget we murdered Blackpool but somehow lost. I think it'll be a good season. Let's not focus on what we don't have. We do have a strong squad, great manager and the division's shrewdest and most successful owners.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the Vic[/bold] wrote: He is a year older and a year stronger. We miss him and if we do not get him we have a more difficult job in replacing a player who knows what we are about.[/p][/quote]I watched the highlights of the season on HP last night, and the one we miss most I think is Hoggy.[/p][/quote]Hogg was underrated for sure. Rarely see a player work so hard. But I think we'll do ok without him. We've done ok so far and let's not forget we murdered Blackpool but somehow lost. I think it'll be a good season. Let's not focus on what we don't have. We do have a strong squad, great manager and the division's shrewdest and most successful owners. Bush Hornet

3:18pm Fri 13 Sep 13

jasonwatford says...

battochio is not a holding midfield player he is a creator and scorer of good goals...better than murray and smith is a natural holding player. Vydra is the best finisher in a Watford shirt bar none.....Blissett was great but would need 3 chances a game to score one......back then we made plenty of chances so he did well.
battochio is not a holding midfield player he is a creator and scorer of good goals...better than murray and smith is a natural holding player. Vydra is the best finisher in a Watford shirt bar none.....Blissett was great but would need 3 chances a game to score one......back then we made plenty of chances so he did well. jasonwatford

3:34pm Fri 13 Sep 13

SuperHorn says...

Watford4eva wrote:
Not sure he's worth 30k a week
I thought that at first but when you consider a 5 year contract, he'll be 23 when it ends and I reckon that at that age, he'll be very much worth it
[quote][p][bold]Watford4eva[/bold] wrote: Not sure he's worth 30k a week[/p][/quote]I thought that at first but when you consider a 5 year contract, he'll be 23 when it ends and I reckon that at that age, he'll be very much worth it SuperHorn

3:36pm Fri 13 Sep 13

SuperHorn says...

I would much prefer to see one of OUR academy players come up to the first team and see if he can perform. Look at what Murray did in his debut season
I would much prefer to see one of OUR academy players come up to the first team and see if he can perform. Look at what Murray did in his debut season SuperHorn

3:38pm Fri 13 Sep 13

ramage1996 says...

jasonwatford wrote:
battochio is not a holding midfield player he is a creator and scorer of good goals...better than murray and smith is a natural holding player. Vydra is the best finisher in a Watford shirt bar none.....Blissett was great but would need 3 chances a game to score one......back then we made plenty of chances so he did well.
Iv seen this said a lot but I disagree, no he isnt the hard tackling holding midfielder but Carrick plays that role at Man Utd and does it well and I think Battochio is better in the tackle than Carrick so more suited to the Champ.

I have not yet been impressed with Ireney, Smith could also play that role but I would start Battochio against Charlton.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: battochio is not a holding midfield player he is a creator and scorer of good goals...better than murray and smith is a natural holding player. Vydra is the best finisher in a Watford shirt bar none.....Blissett was great but would need 3 chances a game to score one......back then we made plenty of chances so he did well.[/p][/quote]Iv seen this said a lot but I disagree, no he isnt the hard tackling holding midfielder but Carrick plays that role at Man Utd and does it well and I think Battochio is better in the tackle than Carrick so more suited to the Champ. I have not yet been impressed with Ireney, Smith could also play that role but I would start Battochio against Charlton. ramage1996

3:45pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Hornet Cornet says...

i dont rate NC very highly anyway. he did my dinger in apart from the odd goal or two. Get Batoc to play and forget NC.

HC
i dont rate NC very highly anyway. he did my dinger in apart from the odd goal or two. Get Batoc to play and forget NC. HC Hornet Cornet

3:46pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Denzil D says...

SuperHorn wrote:
Watford4eva wrote: Not sure he's worth 30k a week
I thought that at first but when you consider a 5 year contract, he'll be 23 when it ends and I reckon that at that age, he'll be very much worth it
But that's really just his current value as a potential future first team squad player.
If he actually makes it at chelsea in a couple of years, that contract will be swiftly renegotiated upwards (and probably lengthened).
[quote][p][bold]SuperHorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford4eva[/bold] wrote: Not sure he's worth 30k a week[/p][/quote]I thought that at first but when you consider a 5 year contract, he'll be 23 when it ends and I reckon that at that age, he'll be very much worth it[/p][/quote]But that's really just his current value as a potential future first team squad player. If he actually makes it at chelsea in a couple of years, that contract will be swiftly renegotiated upwards (and probably lengthened). Denzil D

5:27pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Feff says...

"Paying £1.5 million for a player is ridiculous" writes Neil b-s. Thank goodness Gillingham are ridiculous!
"Paying £1.5 million for a player is ridiculous" writes Neil b-s. Thank goodness Gillingham are ridiculous! Feff

5:29pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Feff says...

SORRY. Peterborough!
SORRY. Peterborough! Feff

6:19pm Fri 13 Sep 13

watford1881 says...

Sorry Neil I wasn't aware the thought police were on here. We all now pay homage she chosen one.. Opinions .. Try having one & you might find u become more in lightened..
NC wages are high as far as Watford goes but in reflection It wouldn't be the highest in the Championship.. Many Leicester, QPR even Ipswich Leeds & Blackburn players are on this type of wage.. Does anyone think NC wouldn't be in the starting line if he was here?? NC in the team frees up Abdi to get forward more, score more goals & play like he did last season.. Nathaniel brings more to the table that what he does himself.. His calm measured play let's others play with more freedom and flare..
Sorry Neil I wasn't aware the thought police were on here. We all now pay homage she chosen one.. Opinions .. Try having one & you might find u become more in lightened.. NC wages are high as far as Watford goes but in reflection It wouldn't be the highest in the Championship.. Many Leicester, QPR even Ipswich Leeds & Blackburn players are on this type of wage.. Does anyone think NC wouldn't be in the starting line if he was here?? NC in the team frees up Abdi to get forward more, score more goals & play like he did last season.. Nathaniel brings more to the table that what he does himself.. His calm measured play let's others play with more freedom and flare.. watford1881

6:22pm Fri 13 Sep 13

watford1881 says...

But really it is neither here nor there as he won't come back to WFC...
But really it is neither here nor there as he won't come back to WFC... watford1881

7:07pm Fri 13 Sep 13

neil-bs says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were.
Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra
Closest for me was Mo Johnson - quite a lot of similarities (great on one v ones with the keeper) and same ambition to move to the "big time" as soon as he could. Luther was a great all round athlete but did miss quite a few chances.
Luther did miss chances but only because he made more chances than most players. If he had banged them all in he would have managed a 100 goals a season. Luther knew where he should be, a great player, read the game brilliantly. Mo was also wonderful. Two great players.
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were. Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra[/p][/quote]Closest for me was Mo Johnson - quite a lot of similarities (great on one v ones with the keeper) and same ambition to move to the "big time" as soon as he could. Luther was a great all round athlete but did miss quite a few chances.[/p][/quote]Luther did miss chances but only because he made more chances than most players. If he had banged them all in he would have managed a 100 goals a season. Luther knew where he should be, a great player, read the game brilliantly. Mo was also wonderful. Two great players. neil-bs

7:14pm Fri 13 Sep 13

neil-bs says...

Feff wrote:
"Paying £1.5 million for a player is ridiculous" writes Neil b-s. Thank goodness Gillingham are ridiculous!
I said paying such a young player 1.5million a year is ridiculous. In the transfer market he may well be worth 1,5mill but he is not worth that in wages. Please try to read the comments correctly Effing.
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: "Paying £1.5 million for a player is ridiculous" writes Neil b-s. Thank goodness Gillingham are ridiculous![/p][/quote]I said paying such a young player 1.5million a year is ridiculous. In the transfer market he may well be worth 1,5mill but he is not worth that in wages. Please try to read the comments correctly Effing. neil-bs

8:19pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Best squad we have EVER had.

Best start to a season for 61 years (before the unlucky Blackpool game)

Am I the only one not worries here?! We will win this league, teams fear us massively and we will continue to get better.

The only reason a couple of young English loans would be useful right now would be to cover for injuries and help with the 6 home grown players per squad rule.
Best squad we have EVER had. Best start to a season for 61 years (before the unlucky Blackpool game) Am I the only one not worries here?! We will win this league, teams fear us massively and we will continue to get better. The only reason a couple of young English loans would be useful right now would be to cover for injuries and help with the 6 home grown players per squad rule. Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

8:34pm Fri 13 Sep 13

NewMalden'Orn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were.
Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra
I reckon Mo Johnson was the best finisher I've seen at the Vic
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were. Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra[/p][/quote]I reckon Mo Johnson was the best finisher I've seen at the Vic NewMalden'Orn

8:39pm Fri 13 Sep 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Never seen a better finisher in the flesh in my life than vydra when he was really on his game. Better than Johnston, definitely better than Luther. Whether we're bitter or not about losing him, we really do miss his pace and the fear it instilled in opponents, and that's difficult to replace.
I agree re Vydra, never seen a better finisher in a Watford shirt. Mind you I have never seen a better defender than Angella, Almunia is up there with the best goal keepers we have ever, i'm struggling to think of a better central midfield player than Abdi that we have had (Gary Porter! Haha) and Forrestieri and Fabbrini are 2 of the most skillful and creative players we have ever had.

Not all bad hey.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Never seen a better finisher in the flesh in my life than vydra when he was really on his game. Better than Johnston, definitely better than Luther. Whether we're bitter or not about losing him, we really do miss his pace and the fear it instilled in opponents, and that's difficult to replace.[/p][/quote]I agree re Vydra, never seen a better finisher in a Watford shirt. Mind you I have never seen a better defender than Angella, Almunia is up there with the best goal keepers we have ever, i'm struggling to think of a better central midfield player than Abdi that we have had (Gary Porter! Haha) and Forrestieri and Fabbrini are 2 of the most skillful and creative players we have ever had. Not all bad hey. Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

6:57am Sat 14 Sep 13

northofwatfordpete says...

SuperHorn wrote:
I would much prefer to see one of OUR academy players come up to the first team and see if he can perform. Look at what Murray did in his debut season
I agree - 35k a week is obscene. It might be the reality of playing in the Premier League but we are not there yet and have plenty of talent in our existing squad. If Zola still wants to strengthen the midfield lets look elsewhere. Anyway I am not convinced that Chalobah is the answer - we are missing Hogg.
[quote][p][bold]SuperHorn[/bold] wrote: I would much prefer to see one of OUR academy players come up to the first team and see if he can perform. Look at what Murray did in his debut season[/p][/quote]I agree - 35k a week is obscene. It might be the reality of playing in the Premier League but we are not there yet and have plenty of talent in our existing squad. If Zola still wants to strengthen the midfield lets look elsewhere. Anyway I am not convinced that Chalobah is the answer - we are missing Hogg. northofwatfordpete

8:46am Sat 14 Sep 13

JonBoy says...

A non-Watford scottish mate of mine thinks Anya is wasted as a wing back and I have some sympathy with that view. I expect him to be buzzing today.
A non-Watford scottish mate of mine thinks Anya is wasted as a wing back and I have some sympathy with that view. I expect him to be buzzing today. JonBoy

8:52am Sat 14 Sep 13

demerit says...

JonBoy wrote:
A non-Watford scottish mate of mine thinks Anya is wasted as a wing back and I have some sympathy with that view. I expect him to be buzzing today.
Disagree (the bit about him being wasted I mean). His ability to continually run from one end of the field as if he's on a Duracell is incredible - a master of the quick break.
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: A non-Watford scottish mate of mine thinks Anya is wasted as a wing back and I have some sympathy with that view. I expect him to be buzzing today.[/p][/quote]Disagree (the bit about him being wasted I mean). His ability to continually run from one end of the field as if he's on a Duracell is incredible - a master of the quick break. demerit

9:33am Sat 14 Sep 13

demerit says...

Watford4eva wrote:
Not sure he's worth 30k a week
He isn't...
[quote][p][bold]Watford4eva[/bold] wrote: Not sure he's worth 30k a week[/p][/quote]He isn't... demerit

9:50am Sat 14 Sep 13

Bobbyhowfield says...

NewMalden'Orn wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were.
Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra
I reckon Mo Johnson was the best finisher I've seen at the Vic
Just think how good Mo would have been if he'd played without a hangover for most of the season. !!.
[quote][p][bold]NewMalden'Orn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were. Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra[/p][/quote]I reckon Mo Johnson was the best finisher I've seen at the Vic[/p][/quote]Just think how good Mo would have been if he'd played without a hangover for most of the season. !!. Bobbyhowfield

11:09am Sat 14 Sep 13

mickallen57 says...

neil-bs wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
Johnny Ryden wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.
vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.
Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were.
Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra
Closest for me was Mo Johnson - quite a lot of similarities (great on one v ones with the keeper) and same ambition to move to the "big time" as soon as he could. Luther was a great all round athlete but did miss quite a few chances.
Luther did miss chances but only because he made more chances than most players. If he had banged them all in he would have managed a 100 goals a season. Luther knew where he should be, a great player, read the game brilliantly. Mo was also wonderful. Two great players.
Bang on mate but for me Mo shaded it as the best ever finisher (my dad all ways said Cliff Holton would leave them all standing).

It is also interesting how like Vydra Mo just didn't turn up when the big clubs came sniffing. But like Vydra was an absolute joy to watch. But for loyalty and effort give me Luther every time not all ways great but all ways good and was like Deeney today let the opposition know they had a game on.
As for Nathaniel I wish him well but one door closes another opens. Looking at our squad I do think some of the posts here are bordering on the gloomy. I cant think of a Watford manager in the last twenty years who would not have traded places with the present one. Sure there is some tweeking to do but we have quality and strength all over the squad. COYH
[quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree Johnny, the lack of pace up front allows teams to be more confident pressing up and pushing us back. Maybe it's time to consider 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 where we could play more to our strengths with attacking midfielders and at the same time bolster the defence? There are many possibile permutations but team could be Almunia; Faroani, Angella, Ekstrand, Anya; Mcgugan, Foresteri, Abdi, Fabrinni, Battachio; Deeney.[/p][/quote]vydra is probably the best finisher i have ever seen playing for Watford but we are hardly struggling are we? Won4 Drawn2 Lost1 with a new line up is a more than solid start to the season (remember how long it took last year to get going). It would be great to get Chalobah bach but we either stick to our salary plan or scrap it completely and end up like Portsmouth and QPR (if they dont get promoted this year which could be on very dodgy financial footing). And as for "scraping up players from Udinese...." well what can you say to that, terrible how low we have sunk, resorting to that.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, I think Vydra is a better finisher than Phillips and Connolly were. Didnt get to watch Blisset et al in their pomp so cannot comment whether they were better at finishing than Vydra[/p][/quote]Closest for me was Mo Johnson - quite a lot of similarities (great on one v ones with the keeper) and same ambition to move to the "big time" as soon as he could. Luther was a great all round athlete but did miss quite a few chances.[/p][/quote]Luther did miss chances but only because he made more chances than most players. If he had banged them all in he would have managed a 100 goals a season. Luther knew where he should be, a great player, read the game brilliantly. Mo was also wonderful. Two great players.[/p][/quote]Bang on mate but for me Mo shaded it as the best ever finisher (my dad all ways said Cliff Holton would leave them all standing). It is also interesting how like Vydra Mo just didn't turn up when the big clubs came sniffing. But like Vydra was an absolute joy to watch. But for loyalty and effort give me Luther every time not all ways great but all ways good and was like Deeney today let the opposition know they had a game on. As for Nathaniel I wish him well but one door closes another opens. Looking at our squad I do think some of the posts here are bordering on the gloomy. I cant think of a Watford manager in the last twenty years who would not have traded places with the present one. Sure there is some tweeking to do but we have quality and strength all over the squad. COYH mickallen57

8:42am Wed 18 Sep 13

corbindallas says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?
Do you know what that may be a gamble worth taking Anya certainly has the pace and he can use both feet and loves running at defenders, I would certainly test this out with a few training sessions and a poss formation change in a match. Also re NC when you are giving someone a education in football then you should not be expected to give them a full or even near salary thus I would rather not have him back as imo he is not the full missing link of the team to guarantee us promotion and therfore not worth the money! We have players who can do a job and I would rather use the money to sign a player like Chris Brown, than flush it, if you catch my drift.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Wonder if any one will agree, having watched last season highlights it's clear Vydra's pace is being missed, wonder what would happen if we stuck Anya there ?[/p][/quote]Do you know what that may be a gamble worth taking Anya certainly has the pace and he can use both feet and loves running at defenders, I would certainly test this out with a few training sessions and a poss formation change in a match. Also re NC when you are giving someone a education in football then you should not be expected to give them a full or even near salary thus I would rather not have him back as imo he is not the full missing link of the team to guarantee us promotion and therfore not worth the money! We have players who can do a job and I would rather use the money to sign a player like Chris Brown, than flush it, if you catch my drift. corbindallas

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