Watford's winless run extended to six with embarrassing 3-0 defeat to Yeovil Town

Watford Observer: Watford's winless run extended to six with embarrassing defeat Watford's winless run extended to six with embarrassing defeat

Watford’s winless run extended to six matches and it became four consecutive defeats in a row at home following this afternoon’s 3-0 defeat to the side who were bottom of the Championship heading into the contest.

The Hornets dominated the match throughout but went behind in the second minute of first-half injury-time when Yeovil Town skipper Byron Webster headed in. The goal came via a corner as the Hornets’ apparent inability to defend set pieces regularly was exposed once more.

The Hornets started the second period the stronger, like the first, but they were hit on the break eight minutes after the restart through a debut goal by Ishmael Miller.

Watford continued to apply pressure but Yeovil goalkeeper Chris Dunn was only really troubled once in the second period as the Hornets’ failed to get shots away quick enough, resulting in an incredible amount of blocked efforts.

Yeovil added a third goal in second-half injury-time when Joe Edwards scored following a counter-attack.

Manuel Almunia failed to recover from illness in time so it meant a first league start of the season for Jonathan Bond.

Troy Deeney returned and was captain in the absence of Almunia, with Sean Murray and Lewis McGugan also back in a midfield trio which included West Bromwich Albion youngster George Thorne.

New signing Hector Bellerin was the fifth change from last weekend’s 1-0 defeat to Bolton Wanderers, as Davide Faraoni made way.

In total, the Hornets were without nine ‘first-team’ players, including the influential Gabriele Angella, Lloyd Doyley, Ikechi Anya and Almen Abdi.

Yeovil handed debuts to three new signings in the shape of on-loan Everton midfielder John Lundstram and strikers Adam Morgan and Ishmael Miller.

Yeovil went into the contest bottom of the table having won just one league game since the opening day of the season and Watford were looking for their first win in five matches having lost their last three at home.

One of Gianfranco Zola’s criticisms of his team last week was they were too narrow and the Hornets did play with more width for much of the match.

Watford Observer:

Watford played with plenty of ambition in the opening ten minutes without creating a chance. The first opening for the Hornets came in the 12th minute when Deeney headed McGugan’s corner comfortably wide.

Deeney started well and when he headed a diagonal ball down to Fernando Forestieri 20 yards from goal, the Argentine should have done considerably better than slice the ball several yards wide.

The forward again disappointed somewhat when he did excellently to beat Webster to the ball, break into the box and cut inside two defenders only to then delay in shooting and he was tackled by Liam Davis.

The Golden Boys felt they should have had a penalty midway through the half when Deeney’s cross from the left was volleyed goalwards at the far post by Marco Cassetti and the ball appeared to hit the arm of Everton loanee Shane Duffy.

Watford Observer:

Yeovil delivered a few dangerous balls into the box in the first half and the best of the lot came from Davis, as his delivery flashed narrowly over the heads of two team-mates ten yards from goal.

Many supporters in the Rous Stand surrounding the temporary press area thought their side had gone in front shortly after the half-hour mark when McGugan curled a 25-yard free kick from a central area just wide of the post, with Dunn scrambling across his goal.

The Hornets were dominant in the first half and Yeovil were breathing a sigh of relief once more when Murray’s low drive from outside the area deflected away from goal with Dunn rooted to the spot.

Watford laid siege to the visitors goal during a ten-minute period and centre back Joel Ekstrand was next to try his luck with a powerful, 20-yard shot which again went wide.

Watford Observer:

Town, who are managed by former Hornet Gary Johnson, enjoyed a positive spell before the break. Their best chance during that period came when Morgan was unable to direct his header from Luke Ayling’s cross on target.

The Hornets’ constant pressure resulted in five corners in the first period and the last of those was headed comfortably wide by Deeney in the final Watford chance of the half.

But there was still time for a smash-and-grab goal for Yeovil as Joel Grant’s long-range effort was deflected wide for a corner and Davis’ delivery was headed in at the far post by Webster. Watford have struggled to deal with set pieces all season and this afternoon’s goal was the latest example.

The Hornets began the second half strongly and Thorne was very close to releasing Deeney three minutes after the restart, as Ayling made a last-ditch block.

Watford Observer:

Bellerin played well, especially considering it was his first start as a professional, and he jinked past two defenders before having a goal-bound shot from the corner of the box blocked.

But Yeovil once again inflicted a sucker-punch on Watford as Joe Edwards beat Ekstrand wide right, this forced Nosworthy out of position and that left Miller unmarked to head past Bond for 2-0.

Zola reacted immediately by taking off centre back Nyron Nosworthy and midfielder Murray and bringing on two forwards in Diego Fabbrini and Javier Acuna. This led to the Hornets moving to a 4-2-3-1 formation, with Fabbrini and Forestieri on the wings and Acuna behind Deeney.

Watford Observer:

Hornets fans were becoming increasingly frustrated with their players not shooting early enough. Forestieri delayed too long and had a shot from inside the area blocked and then Acuna did the same soon after, with McGugan slicing for follow-up wide by some distance.

In-between Grant had a shot from the corner of the area saved by Bond.

McGugan was one of the players who was not afraid to shoot and he had an effort deflected wide for a corner. The midfielder then had an effort blocked, so did Fabbrini and when Forestieri’s volley wasn’t stopped by a defender, Dunn made an excellent reflex save.

Watford continued to poke and prod the Yeovil defence without much success. Substitute Davide Faraoni wasn’t too far away with a 25-yard strike.

Watford Observer:

McGugan had a shot deflected wide in injury-time but Yeovil added salt to the Watford wounds with another goal against the run of play as the visitors countered from the resulting corner and Hoskins slotted past Bond with Thorne trying to catch up with the substitute.

The final goal came in injury-time when Yeovil countered and Joe Edwards finished off a swift move.

It was a depressing end to a hugely frustrating afternoon for Watford’s fans, a large proportion of which booed when the final whistle blew.

Watford: Bond; Ekstrand, Nosworthy (Fabbrini 56), Cassetti; Bellerin, McGugan, Thorne, Murray (Acuna 56), Pudil (Faraoni 79); Forestieri, Deeney.

Subs: Woods, Hall, Iriney, Battocchio.

Yeovil line-up: Dunn; Ayling, Webster, Duffy, Davis; Edwards, Upson, Lundstram, Grant (Dawson 88); Miller (Hayter 70), Morgan (Hoskins 69).

Subs: Stewart, Foley, Fontaine, Twumasi.

Referee: Scott Mathieson.

Attendance: 15,263.

Bookings: Miller, Davis.

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5:10pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

I am too f***ing angry with zola and his disillusioned views.
He has to go.
I am too f***ing angry with zola and his disillusioned views. He has to go. Hornet Cornet

5:11pm Sat 30 Nov 13

jimbowfc says...

I'm speechless!!!
I'm speechless!!! jimbowfc

5:17pm Sat 30 Nov 13

ramage1996 says...

Id have in this order..

Glenn Hoddle
Jamie Carragher
Gary Neville

Hoddle would make this team great
Id have in this order.. Glenn Hoddle Jamie Carragher Gary Neville Hoddle would make this team great ramage1996

5:17pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bonzoo says...

zola thank you and good bye....our form has just gone..our faith in the management team has gone..time for action wfc.
zola thank you and good bye....our form has just gone..our faith in the management team has gone..time for action wfc. bonzoo

5:19pm Sat 30 Nov 13

N Joydegame says...

Oh dear, oh dear. Poor home form continues. We haven't played well at home since Huddersfield last season. Bournemouth win flattered us and since then it's all been downhill. Injuries to Abdi and others hasn't helped but the real fact is we're a poorer side than last season. None of the imports have proved better than the players they've replaced, and GFZ has also struggled. His rotation policy is clearly not working but he still persists with it.

We need to see where he goes during the transfer window in January, he certainly needs to get rid of some of the deadwood , Iriney and Mcreachen for starters. I don't believe in calling for GFZ's head just yet but there needs to be a serious rethink about the squad and his tactics.
Oh dear, oh dear. Poor home form continues. We haven't played well at home since Huddersfield last season. Bournemouth win flattered us and since then it's all been downhill. Injuries to Abdi and others hasn't helped but the real fact is we're a poorer side than last season. None of the imports have proved better than the players they've replaced, and GFZ has also struggled. His rotation policy is clearly not working but he still persists with it. We need to see where he goes during the transfer window in January, he certainly needs to get rid of some of the deadwood , Iriney and Mcreachen for starters. I don't believe in calling for GFZ's head just yet but there needs to be a serious rethink about the squad and his tactics. N Joydegame

5:21pm Sat 30 Nov 13

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

Well that is as bad as it gets! zola's weak and tactically inept. This has been coming for some time now so unfortunately for him he had the Pozzo's there to watch this in its full glory. To make matters worse my best friends accumulator went down because of this result and has therefore robbed me of a drink or two tonight so enough is ENOUGH..............
ZOLA OUT
Well that is as bad as it gets! zola's weak and tactically inept. This has been coming for some time now so unfortunately for him he had the Pozzo's there to watch this in its full glory. To make matters worse my best friends accumulator went down because of this result and has therefore robbed me of a drink or two tonight so enough is ENOUGH.............. ZOLA OUT YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!

5:27pm Sat 30 Nov 13

GoldenManc says...

We have a fantastic collection of players that are badly managed and Zola should go - HE IS TACTICALLY INEPT & there must a million managers who would do a better job
We have a fantastic collection of players that are badly managed and Zola should go - HE IS TACTICALLY INEPT & there must a million managers who would do a better job GoldenManc

5:28pm Sat 30 Nov 13

peter10531089 says...

Deeney was excellent in the first half and applauds the crowd regardless of the result - respect for that.
I thought Murray was really good and was unfortunate to get the hook.
Zola's a lovely guy but his inability to get hold of Fessi is going to cost him his job the way it is going.
Ekstrand needs to be rested he has been awful in the last month or so.
Something needs changing
Deeney was excellent in the first half and applauds the crowd regardless of the result - respect for that. I thought Murray was really good and was unfortunate to get the hook. Zola's a lovely guy but his inability to get hold of Fessi is going to cost him his job the way it is going. Ekstrand needs to be rested he has been awful in the last month or so. Something needs changing peter10531089

5:29pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager.

I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go.

Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics.

ZOLA OUT
Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager. I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go. Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics. ZOLA OUT Hornet Cornet

5:30pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Prpwfc says...

Have been told on the grapevine that Roberto Di Matteo is set to join the Horns !!
Have been told on the grapevine that Roberto Di Matteo is set to join the Horns !! Prpwfc

5:32pm Sat 30 Nov 13

goldanboy says...

Could dyche get Zola the sack? The pozzos would never allow it. He'll be gone by Tuesday.
Could dyche get Zola the sack? The pozzos would never allow it. He'll be gone by Tuesday. goldanboy

5:32pm Sat 30 Nov 13

GoldenManc says...

Prpwfc wrote:
Have been told on the grapevine that Roberto Di Matteo is set to join the Horns !!
Nonsense
[quote][p][bold]Prpwfc[/bold] wrote: Have been told on the grapevine that Roberto Di Matteo is set to join the Horns !![/p][/quote]Nonsense GoldenManc

5:34pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

Even the most positive of posters on here have realised that the other teams in this league have 'sussed' Watford's tactics and players, and know how to stop Watford playing. So why are we still trying to play the same system? Why are we playing a system that relied on a pacey, goal scoring forward (Vydra), when we no longer HAVE a pacey, goal scoring forward?
I was thumbed down for asking if the current player rotation was, in fact, a management desperately trying to find a combination of players that worked.
Well, thumb me down again if you like, but I am beginning to think it may be right---.
Even the most positive of posters on here have realised that the other teams in this league have 'sussed' Watford's tactics and players, and know how to stop Watford playing. So why are we still trying to play the same system? Why are we playing a system that relied on a pacey, goal scoring forward (Vydra), when we no longer HAVE a pacey, goal scoring forward? I was thumbed down for asking if the current player rotation was, in fact, a management desperately trying to find a combination of players that worked. Well, thumb me down again if you like, but I am beginning to think it may be right---. londomollari

5:37pm Sat 30 Nov 13

weeblehorn says...

SHHIT
SHHIT weeblehorn

5:42pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Taximan says...

As that famous Italian song goes, Arrivederci Zola ,goodbye,goodbye,goo
dbye. Carico di merda or in English what a load of crap. No chance of automatic promotion and even less chance of making the play off's.
As that famous Italian song goes, Arrivederci Zola ,goodbye,goodbye,goo dbye. Carico di merda or in English what a load of crap. No chance of automatic promotion and even less chance of making the play off's. Taximan

5:46pm Sat 30 Nov 13

ramage1996 says...

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Graham_Tayl
or

Maybe its time for the legend to return!
http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Graham_Tayl or Maybe its time for the legend to return! ramage1996

5:47pm Sat 30 Nov 13

watmal17 says...

Technically gifted but not physically strong enough
Technically gifted but not able to pass accurately
Technically gifted but can’t read the game
Technically gifted but not cute enough in the dark arts
Technically gifted but lack cohesion
Technically gifted but lacking in belief
Technically gifted but player rotation doesn’t work
Technically gifted but can’t handle being closed down
Technically gifted but lack concentration
Technically gifted but can’t get the ball on target
Technically gifted but..... Need I go on, or I’m I being too harsh?
Technically gifted but not physically strong enough Technically gifted but not able to pass accurately Technically gifted but can’t read the game Technically gifted but not cute enough in the dark arts Technically gifted but lack cohesion Technically gifted but lacking in belief Technically gifted but player rotation doesn’t work Technically gifted but can’t handle being closed down Technically gifted but lack concentration Technically gifted but can’t get the ball on target Technically gifted but..... Need I go on, or I’m I being too harsh? watmal17

5:49pm Sat 30 Nov 13

VeronikaJolova says...

I feel the sad thing is that the Watford children on this page were saying " It will be all over by Xmas " " We are so so strong its unfair on the others " This was of course in the Summer ! Amazed myself how people are brainwashed by the likes of Sky and Twitter ! Very sad thing about the Human race .. One of my favs is " I might have a CHEEKY bet " lol ,. These sayings are said by 1000s one after the other on Twitter ,.. Hmmm Wonder if we ever did have minds that were free and not Brainwashed ! .. How about " YOU will clap after 9 mins " Or all time FAV ----- WE BELIEVE
I feel the sad thing is that the Watford children on this page were saying " It will be all over by Xmas " " We are so so strong its unfair on the others " This was of course in the Summer ! Amazed myself how people are brainwashed by the likes of Sky and Twitter ! Very sad thing about the Human race .. One of my favs is " I might have a CHEEKY bet " lol ,. These sayings are said by 1000s one after the other on Twitter ,.. Hmmm Wonder if we ever did have minds that were free and not Brainwashed ! .. How about " YOU will clap after 9 mins " Or all time FAV ----- WE BELIEVE VeronikaJolova

5:50pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Feff says...

We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!!
We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!! Feff

5:52pm Sat 30 Nov 13

tgb1963 says...

Please can someone list the attributes of McGugan as a pro-footballer. No pace, no vision, can't pick a forward pass, can't tackle, doesn't win headers and doesn't get 'stuck-in'? Yet Zola persists on playing him ahead of Fabbrini.
Why did it take going 2 nil down for Deeney to start to contest headers instead of looking to the ref to give non-existent fouls? Why was Nosworthy who had a faultless game substituted instead of Ekstrand whose distribution today was awful and kept playing people into trouble, viz the second goal?
Three questions. Answers please anyone.
Please can someone list the attributes of McGugan as a pro-footballer. No pace, no vision, can't pick a forward pass, can't tackle, doesn't win headers and doesn't get 'stuck-in'? Yet Zola persists on playing him ahead of Fabbrini. Why did it take going 2 nil down for Deeney to start to contest headers instead of looking to the ref to give non-existent fouls? Why was Nosworthy who had a faultless game substituted instead of Ekstrand whose distribution today was awful and kept playing people into trouble, viz the second goal? Three questions. Answers please anyone. tgb1963

5:55pm Sat 30 Nov 13

-Nightingale- says...

We need a manager that knows how to win games 1-0. Teams that can't defend never get promoted. Frankly Zola knows nothing about how to organise a team when in defence. I don't like knee jerk reactions but I think it is time for Zola to go. Something isn't right in the camp
We need a manager that knows how to win games 1-0. Teams that can't defend never get promoted. Frankly Zola knows nothing about how to organise a team when in defence. I don't like knee jerk reactions but I think it is time for Zola to go. Something isn't right in the camp -Nightingale-

5:56pm Sat 30 Nov 13

alwaysahorn says...

just a thought . . . 4 home defeats on the trot have coincided with the dugouts being the opposite way round for the first time ever . . . . . Change them back so the Watford bench is on the left as we look at it before its too late !!!!!!!
just a thought . . . 4 home defeats on the trot have coincided with the dugouts being the opposite way round for the first time ever . . . . . Change them back so the Watford bench is on the left as we look at it before its too late !!!!!!! alwaysahorn

5:56pm Sat 30 Nov 13

onion8837 says...

I would like to hear the Zola apologists apply lipstick to that particular pig
I would like to hear the Zola apologists apply lipstick to that particular pig onion8837

5:58pm Sat 30 Nov 13

jasonwatford says...

oh dear is all I can say
oh dear is all I can say jasonwatford

5:58pm Sat 30 Nov 13

andyhooked says...

Apaling rubish. Tactics wrong, team selection wrong, players look confused and do not know what to do. By the time we do get near the opposition box I have missed three buses and the opposition are camped in their penalty area. Sorry GZ this is not good enough and it is all down to you, including the sub standard loanees and some dubious permanent signings made during the summer. Time to fall upon your sword GZ as I see no way of turning it around.
Apaling rubish. Tactics wrong, team selection wrong, players look confused and do not know what to do. By the time we do get near the opposition box I have missed three buses and the opposition are camped in their penalty area. Sorry GZ this is not good enough and it is all down to you, including the sub standard loanees and some dubious permanent signings made during the summer. Time to fall upon your sword GZ as I see no way of turning it around. andyhooked

5:59pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

Feff wrote:
We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!!
Agree about Holloway last season. He was too cute for Zola in the playoff---and remember the league home game? 2-2, with Watford hanging on for the point? We may dislike the guy, but, certainly in the Championship, he knows what he is doing. I don't think I would like to see him here, tho'.
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!![/p][/quote]Agree about Holloway last season. He was too cute for Zola in the playoff---and remember the league home game? 2-2, with Watford hanging on for the point? We may dislike the guy, but, certainly in the Championship, he knows what he is doing. I don't think I would like to see him here, tho'. londomollari

5:59pm Sat 30 Nov 13

a1derek says...

tgb1963 wrote:
Please can someone list the attributes of McGugan as a pro-footballer. No pace, no vision, can't pick a forward pass, can't tackle, doesn't win headers and doesn't get 'stuck-in'? Yet Zola persists on playing him ahead of Fabbrini.
Why did it take going 2 nil down for Deeney to start to contest headers instead of looking to the ref to give non-existent fouls? Why was Nosworthy who had a faultless game substituted instead of Ekstrand whose distribution today was awful and kept playing people into trouble, viz the second goal?
Three questions. Answers please anyone.
Yes!!! Spot on, McGugan is one of the main problems. He adds nothing to the team apart from decent free kicks!
[quote][p][bold]tgb1963[/bold] wrote: Please can someone list the attributes of McGugan as a pro-footballer. No pace, no vision, can't pick a forward pass, can't tackle, doesn't win headers and doesn't get 'stuck-in'? Yet Zola persists on playing him ahead of Fabbrini. Why did it take going 2 nil down for Deeney to start to contest headers instead of looking to the ref to give non-existent fouls? Why was Nosworthy who had a faultless game substituted instead of Ekstrand whose distribution today was awful and kept playing people into trouble, viz the second goal? Three questions. Answers please anyone.[/p][/quote]Yes!!! Spot on, McGugan is one of the main problems. He adds nothing to the team apart from decent free kicks! a1derek

6:01pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bigmeuprudeboy says...

Think its about time you muppets having a whinge grow a pair, I bet you are the ones who sit there quietly not making a noise throughout the game other than booing. Maybe if you put down the prawn sandwiches and actually got behind the team we might do better, our vocal support is embarrassing.

Zola IN
Think its about time you muppets having a whinge grow a pair, I bet you are the ones who sit there quietly not making a noise throughout the game other than booing. Maybe if you put down the prawn sandwiches and actually got behind the team we might do better, our vocal support is embarrassing. Zola IN bigmeuprudeboy

6:02pm Sat 30 Nov 13

PMJ1966 says...

Assistant Coach Sormani and Bastiano pack your bags enough is enough. If Mr Zola is going to stay then Mr Pozzo you need to find someone who knows this league, how to get out of it and also how to survive relegation! The team remain clueless in every department and were beaten by team who were basically up for it - demonstrated by the challenge on Acuna in the 90th minute and they way they put their bodies on the line time after time to stop us scoring. Our set piece defending is woeful and our attacking set piece is nonsense. Going shopping with the Mrs is more entertaining than that dross served at Vicrage Road today.

I blame the knocking down of the "lucky" East Stand - we should have stuck with three sides!
Assistant Coach Sormani and Bastiano pack your bags enough is enough. If Mr Zola is going to stay then Mr Pozzo you need to find someone who knows this league, how to get out of it and also how to survive relegation! The team remain clueless in every department and were beaten by team who were basically up for it - demonstrated by the challenge on Acuna in the 90th minute and they way they put their bodies on the line time after time to stop us scoring. Our set piece defending is woeful and our attacking set piece is nonsense. Going shopping with the Mrs is more entertaining than that dross served at Vicrage Road today. I blame the knocking down of the "lucky" East Stand - we should have stuck with three sides! PMJ1966

6:09pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Guy Bov says...

N Joydegame wrote:
Oh dear, oh dear. Poor home form continues. We haven't played well at home since Huddersfield last season. Bournemouth win flattered us and since then it's all been downhill. Injuries to Abdi and others hasn't helped but the real fact is we're a poorer side than last season. None of the imports have proved better than the players they've replaced, and GFZ has also struggled. His rotation policy is clearly not working but he still persists with it.

We need to see where he goes during the transfer window in January, he certainly needs to get rid of some of the deadwood , Iriney and Mcreachen for starters. I don't believe in calling for GFZ's head just yet but there needs to be a serious rethink about the squad and his tactics.
Why get rid of Iriney or Mcreachan..... neither played today
[quote][p][bold]N Joydegame[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, oh dear. Poor home form continues. We haven't played well at home since Huddersfield last season. Bournemouth win flattered us and since then it's all been downhill. Injuries to Abdi and others hasn't helped but the real fact is we're a poorer side than last season. None of the imports have proved better than the players they've replaced, and GFZ has also struggled. His rotation policy is clearly not working but he still persists with it. We need to see where he goes during the transfer window in January, he certainly needs to get rid of some of the deadwood , Iriney and Mcreachen for starters. I don't believe in calling for GFZ's head just yet but there needs to be a serious rethink about the squad and his tactics.[/p][/quote]Why get rid of Iriney or Mcreachan..... neither played today Guy Bov

6:10pm Sat 30 Nov 13

jasonwatford says...

Gino has asked Zola to join him in the boardroom......watch this space
Gino has asked Zola to join him in the boardroom......watch this space jasonwatford

6:12pm Sat 30 Nov 13

edgrigg says...

Goodbye Zola. It was fun and we do wish you well, but he never exactly set the world on fire at West Ham. Getting out-thought by Holloway in the play-off final should have been the final straw. I can't see him surviving as this. The team seem to be going backwards and Zola doesn't seem to be able to graps why and how to stop it. We can huff and puff, but we don't seem to be able to break teams down or defend. Suggests a lack of tactical nouse. Loyalty is all well and good, but it is pointless if we are never going to get any better.
Goodbye Zola. It was fun and we do wish you well, but he never exactly set the world on fire at West Ham. Getting out-thought by Holloway in the play-off final should have been the final straw. I can't see him surviving as this. The team seem to be going backwards and Zola doesn't seem to be able to graps why and how to stop it. We can huff and puff, but we don't seem to be able to break teams down or defend. Suggests a lack of tactical nouse. Loyalty is all well and good, but it is pointless if we are never going to get any better. edgrigg

6:12pm Sat 30 Nov 13

harry hornet wfc says...

Even barcalona would have struggled to beat them?
Even barcalona would have struggled to beat them? harry hornet wfc

6:13pm Sat 30 Nov 13

grahamwfc says...

Lad from Arsenal looked decent. Just need to climb over the fence and get ten of his mates ans Steve Bould
Lad from Arsenal looked decent. Just need to climb over the fence and get ten of his mates ans Steve Bould grahamwfc

6:16pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

The Pozzos have twenty five years of running top clubs. Having watched this match, after Zola being in charge for eighteen months, how do you REALLY think the Pozzos are going to react?---their record certainly does not show much patience with coaches/ managers. They have poured a lot of money and players into this club----.
The Pozzos have twenty five years of running top clubs. Having watched this match, after Zola being in charge for eighteen months, how do you REALLY think the Pozzos are going to react?---their record certainly does not show much patience with coaches/ managers. They have poured a lot of money and players into this club----. londomollari

6:17pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Roger Joslyn says...

We all love the pozzos. Thank you for saving our club and bringing stability and all that BUT I think the Pozzos have to act again for us by bringing in someone who knows how to make a decent, if not our best, team win. Good singing from the 1881....'this is embarrassing, this is embarrassing'!
We all love the pozzos. Thank you for saving our club and bringing stability and all that BUT I think the Pozzos have to act again for us by bringing in someone who knows how to make a decent, if not our best, team win. Good singing from the 1881....'this is embarrassing, this is embarrassing'! Roger Joslyn

6:17pm Sat 30 Nov 13

The BestTrip2011 says...

He has to go doesn't he?
He has to go doesn't he? The BestTrip2011

6:18pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rogeruk says...

The last time Watford suffered four consecutive home defeats in the league was exactly 20 years ago in 1993. Zola now shares this terrible record on his CV.

Watford play Burnley on Tuesday night at Turf moor, what do the Pozzos do? Let Sean Dysche apply the 'coup de grace' (Death Blow) and the following morning the Pozzos cut Zola's legs off! Would be incredibly embarrassing for the Pozzos

Or

Get rid of Zola this weekend and go to Burnley managerless with players needing to prove themselves against Sean Dysche's Burnley.

Something very very wrong in the Watford camp it will all come out later! I'm guessing it's to do with the change of the number 2 in the summer who was the football brains behind Zola, without him Zola is clueless, (Admit it's conjecture) and I could be wrong but if so what else could it be?
The last time Watford suffered four consecutive home defeats in the league was exactly 20 years ago in 1993. Zola now shares this terrible record on his CV. Watford play Burnley on Tuesday night at Turf moor, what do the Pozzos do? Let Sean Dysche apply the 'coup de grace' (Death Blow) and the following morning the Pozzos cut Zola's legs off! Would be incredibly embarrassing for the Pozzos Or Get rid of Zola this weekend and go to Burnley managerless with players needing to prove themselves against Sean Dysche's Burnley. Something very very wrong in the Watford camp it will all come out later! I'm guessing it's to do with the change of the number 2 in the summer who was the football brains behind Zola, without him Zola is clueless, (Admit it's conjecture) and I could be wrong but if so what else could it be? rogeruk

6:19pm Sat 30 Nov 13

onion8837 says...

he's only 5 feet 2
he hasn't got a clue

Was sung this afternoon and was about the highlight of the 90 minutes
he's only 5 feet 2 he hasn't got a clue Was sung this afternoon and was about the highlight of the 90 minutes onion8837

6:20pm Sat 30 Nov 13

SAHornet says...

Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.
Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season. SAHornet

6:21pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Man from Pinner says...

Shocking today; basic football is if you play 3 at the back the midfield have to provide protection. Thorne did to some extent but frankly McGugan may as well have sat in the stand with me for all the good he did on the pitch. It is clear Deeney needs support up front. Something has to change soon as it is clear confidence is disappearing fast.Certainly all the chopping and changing of the team is unhelpful.
Shocking today; basic football is if you play 3 at the back the midfield have to provide protection. Thorne did to some extent but frankly McGugan may as well have sat in the stand with me for all the good he did on the pitch. It is clear Deeney needs support up front. Something has to change soon as it is clear confidence is disappearing fast.Certainly all the chopping and changing of the team is unhelpful. Man from Pinner

6:22pm Sat 30 Nov 13

The Family Cat says...

rogeruk wrote:
The last time Watford suffered four consecutive home defeats in the league was exactly 20 years ago in 1993. Zola now shares this terrible record on his CV.

Watford play Burnley on Tuesday night at Turf moor, what do the Pozzos do? Let Sean Dysche apply the 'coup de grace' (Death Blow) and the following morning the Pozzos cut Zola's legs off! Would be incredibly embarrassing for the Pozzos

Or

Get rid of Zola this weekend and go to Burnley managerless with players needing to prove themselves against Sean Dysche's Burnley.

Something very very wrong in the Watford camp it will all come out later! I'm guessing it's to do with the change of the number 2 in the summer who was the football brains behind Zola, without him Zola is clueless, (Admit it's conjecture) and I could be wrong but if so what else could it be?
Couldn't have put I better rogeruk
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: The last time Watford suffered four consecutive home defeats in the league was exactly 20 years ago in 1993. Zola now shares this terrible record on his CV. Watford play Burnley on Tuesday night at Turf moor, what do the Pozzos do? Let Sean Dysche apply the 'coup de grace' (Death Blow) and the following morning the Pozzos cut Zola's legs off! Would be incredibly embarrassing for the Pozzos Or Get rid of Zola this weekend and go to Burnley managerless with players needing to prove themselves against Sean Dysche's Burnley. Something very very wrong in the Watford camp it will all come out later! I'm guessing it's to do with the change of the number 2 in the summer who was the football brains behind Zola, without him Zola is clueless, (Admit it's conjecture) and I could be wrong but if so what else could it be?[/p][/quote]Couldn't have put I better rogeruk The Family Cat

6:25pm Sat 30 Nov 13

onion8837 says...

SAHornet wrote:
Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.
"just possibly" ????????????
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.[/p][/quote]"just possibly" ???????????? onion8837

6:29pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

SAHornet wrote:
Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.
Personally, I would agree. I doubt a new manager would gain promotion, anyway---well, maybe one might, but then Zola might turn it around. I said a week ago that the Pozzos would look very hard at Zola in January---I hope that is so, and they give him that time. If things havn't turned around by then, I don't think we would need to push the Pozzos into acting.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.[/p][/quote]Personally, I would agree. I doubt a new manager would gain promotion, anyway---well, maybe one might, but then Zola might turn it around. I said a week ago that the Pozzos would look very hard at Zola in January---I hope that is so, and they give him that time. If things havn't turned around by then, I don't think we would need to push the Pozzos into acting. londomollari

6:30pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Victory Yellow says...

I chose to go to the kids school Christmas Fair instead of the game. I was gutted at first now am chuffed to bits as I had a good afternoon, unlike if I had gone to the game. Season ticket sales will be down next season, you'll be able to get a ticket no problem. I have been waiting to book next years holiday worrying if I was going to miss another play off final...............
I am booking the holiday!
I chose to go to the kids school Christmas Fair instead of the game. I was gutted at first now am chuffed to bits as I had a good afternoon, unlike if I had gone to the game. Season ticket sales will be down next season, you'll be able to get a ticket no problem. I have been waiting to book next years holiday worrying if I was going to miss another play off final............... I am booking the holiday! Victory Yellow

6:31pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bigmeuprudeboy says...

I was going to say I cant believe what a bunch of tarts some of our supporters are but I can believe it judging by the passionless muppets who sit there making no noise other than booing. The comments on this thread just show what a bunch of tarts some of our support are.
I was going to say I cant believe what a bunch of tarts some of our supporters are but I can believe it judging by the passionless muppets who sit there making no noise other than booing. The comments on this thread just show what a bunch of tarts some of our support are. bigmeuprudeboy

6:31pm Sat 30 Nov 13

jasonwatford says...

For those of you that don't know this has been going on since pre season , Troy started trouble in the camp and him and foresteiri do not talk or like eachother , Fabbrinni also had a run in with deeney and this divided the team. Zola told them to get on with eachother but this has not worked out and zola don't have the balls to stand up to Deeney.
For those of you that don't know this has been going on since pre season , Troy started trouble in the camp and him and foresteiri do not talk or like eachother , Fabbrinni also had a run in with deeney and this divided the team. Zola told them to get on with eachother but this has not worked out and zola don't have the balls to stand up to Deeney. jasonwatford

6:32pm Sat 30 Nov 13

HemelHornet says...

A GOOD MANAGER is one that is humble enough to accept that his methods are not working and change things around. A POOR MANAGER is one that persists with his view despite clear evidence that it isn't working.

I have too much respect for Zola to call for his head so I will not do so. However, lets just say if the board make the decision to remove him I won't cry about it. If the board decide to stick with him then I will personally demand that Zola looks at other tactical options.
A GOOD MANAGER is one that is humble enough to accept that his methods are not working and change things around. A POOR MANAGER is one that persists with his view despite clear evidence that it isn't working. I have too much respect for Zola to call for his head so I will not do so. However, lets just say if the board make the decision to remove him I won't cry about it. If the board decide to stick with him then I will personally demand that Zola looks at other tactical options. HemelHornet

6:33pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rogeruk says...

Comment on Udinese newspaper tonight:

Insomma l'udinese ha rinunciato ad angella e battocchio per fargli fare ste figure nella serie b inglese?

Udinese gave Battochio and Angella to the English Serie 'B' to get a result like that!

Zola doesn't even play Battochio, yet they rate him very highly in Udinese.
It's all gone pear shape, looks like Zola has lost the plot and the dressing room, How can a Watford team have 22 shots on goal and only two on target, are the players - no they couldn't could they?
Comment on Udinese newspaper tonight: Insomma l'udinese ha rinunciato ad angella e battocchio per fargli fare ste figure nella serie b inglese? Udinese gave Battochio and Angella to the English Serie 'B' to get a result like that! Zola doesn't even play Battochio, yet they rate him very highly in Udinese. It's all gone pear shape, looks like Zola has lost the plot and the dressing room, How can a Watford team have 22 shots on goal and only two on target, are the players - no they couldn't could they? rogeruk

6:33pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Uzzy14 says...

I think Zola will throw the towel in rather than wait to be sacked,the current performance mirrors the Vialli era,pretty,petty football but no end result.
I think Zola will throw the towel in rather than wait to be sacked,the current performance mirrors the Vialli era,pretty,petty football but no end result. Uzzy14

6:34pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Baz loves porridge says...

Di Matteo
Di Matteo Baz loves porridge

6:36pm Sat 30 Nov 13

GoldenManc says...

This seasons is far from over - With a new manager & the players we have, we could easily get around 65 points from 29 games & end up finishing in the top 2 or 3 - don't forget what Reading did 2 years ago. COYH
This seasons is far from over - With a new manager & the players we have, we could easily get around 65 points from 29 games & end up finishing in the top 2 or 3 - don't forget what Reading did 2 years ago. COYH GoldenManc

6:36pm Sat 30 Nov 13

coldplay says...

The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team. coldplay

6:36pm Sat 30 Nov 13

femalehornet122 says...

Like everyone else I was unhappy today. I am not of the opinion though that Zola must go. I just want him to learn how to deal with a 10 man defence. Every time we got near they had the box covered at all angles. Also we leaft our goal wide open which leaqd to the smash and grabs. How many more teams are going to do this to us. Yeovil like chrlton like a lot of them are doign this to us. They are not interested in playing good football just winning. Sometimes we must learn to play dirty like the rest of them. I could nto understnd Nosworhy coming off, he was playing well and holding miller off. Too many strikers ( none of whom who are gettign goals in the second half. We must learn. WE can't win all the time but we need to win some of the time
Like everyone else I was unhappy today. I am not of the opinion though that Zola must go. I just want him to learn how to deal with a 10 man defence. Every time we got near they had the box covered at all angles. Also we leaft our goal wide open which leaqd to the smash and grabs. How many more teams are going to do this to us. Yeovil like chrlton like a lot of them are doign this to us. They are not interested in playing good football just winning. Sometimes we must learn to play dirty like the rest of them. I could nto understnd Nosworhy coming off, he was playing well and holding miller off. Too many strikers ( none of whom who are gettign goals in the second half. We must learn. WE can't win all the time but we need to win some of the time femalehornet122

6:40pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

harry hornet wfc wrote:
Even barcalona would have struggled to beat them?
Quality. "The perception is that we're doing badly.. we're not"

Name the soon-to-be-sacked manager that came out with that gem about a week ago.

HC
[quote][p][bold]harry hornet wfc[/bold] wrote: Even barcalona would have struggled to beat them?[/p][/quote]Quality. "The perception is that we're doing badly.. we're not" Name the soon-to-be-sacked manager that came out with that gem about a week ago. HC Hornet Cornet

6:40pm Sat 30 Nov 13

JohnnyHornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Id have in this order..

Glenn Hoddle
Jamie Carragher
Gary Neville

Hoddle would make this team great
Can't stand these tw4ts on Sky, bl00dy sure I don't want them at my club.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Id have in this order.. Glenn Hoddle Jamie Carragher Gary Neville Hoddle would make this team great[/p][/quote]Can't stand these tw4ts on Sky, bl00dy sure I don't want them at my club. JohnnyHornet

6:42pm Sat 30 Nov 13

ForzaWatford says...

You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...) ForzaWatford

6:43pm Sat 30 Nov 13

mark_123 says...

we are with out a lot of first team players, we have lost 5 games in a row.. we are NOT in administration.. chill the f*ck out people! it isn't great but really? sack the manager?
we are with out a lot of first team players, we have lost 5 games in a row.. we are NOT in administration.. chill the f*ck out people! it isn't great but really? sack the manager? mark_123

6:43pm Sat 30 Nov 13

GoldenManc says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
Id have in this order..

Glenn Hoddle
Jamie Carragher
Gary Neville

Hoddle would make this team great
Can't stand these tw4ts on Sky, bl00dy sure I don't want them at my club.
I'm sure they will go for an Italian manager (or a manager who has managed in Italy) that they know - if they choose to sack Zola.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Id have in this order.. Glenn Hoddle Jamie Carragher Gary Neville Hoddle would make this team great[/p][/quote]Can't stand these tw4ts on Sky, bl00dy sure I don't want them at my club.[/p][/quote]I'm sure they will go for an Italian manager (or a manager who has managed in Italy) that they know - if they choose to sack Zola. GoldenManc

6:44pm Sat 30 Nov 13

demerit says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I am too f***ing angry with zola and his disillusioned views.
He has to go.
100% agree. Until he's gone we will not progress. 65% possession - 100% of which was total c**p. He is tactically inept. He picks the team, he decides the tactics, he dictates the style. What is his so called training team doing? I was saying this last season though. We don't want a nice manager, we want ruthless one.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I am too f***ing angry with zola and his disillusioned views. He has to go.[/p][/quote]100% agree. Until he's gone we will not progress. 65% possession - 100% of which was total c**p. He is tactically inept. He picks the team, he decides the tactics, he dictates the style. What is his so called training team doing? I was saying this last season though. We don't want a nice manager, we want ruthless one. demerit

6:44pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bigmeuprudeboy says...

ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
[quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate bigmeuprudeboy

6:44pm Sat 30 Nov 13

steveherts says...

GoldenManc wrote:
Prpwfc wrote:
Have been told on the grapevine that Roberto Di Matteo is set to join the Horns !!
Nonsense
I know he was at the game a few weeks ago in with the pozzos but is being paid till june 2014 by chelsea at massive rate.
[quote][p][bold]GoldenManc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prpwfc[/bold] wrote: Have been told on the grapevine that Roberto Di Matteo is set to join the Horns !![/p][/quote]Nonsense[/p][/quote]I know he was at the game a few weeks ago in with the pozzos but is being paid till june 2014 by chelsea at massive rate. steveherts

6:49pm Sat 30 Nov 13

demerit says...

VeronikaJolova wrote:
I feel the sad thing is that the Watford children on this page were saying " It will be all over by Xmas " " We are so so strong its unfair on the others " This was of course in the Summer ! Amazed myself how people are brainwashed by the likes of Sky and Twitter ! Very sad thing about the Human race .. One of my favs is " I might have a CHEEKY bet " lol ,. These sayings are said by 1000s one after the other on Twitter ,.. Hmmm Wonder if we ever did have minds that were free and not Brainwashed ! .. How about " YOU will clap after 9 mins " Or all time FAV ----- WE BELIEVE
What the hell are you on about? I have no idea whether I agree with you or not.
[quote][p][bold]VeronikaJolova[/bold] wrote: I feel the sad thing is that the Watford children on this page were saying " It will be all over by Xmas " " We are so so strong its unfair on the others " This was of course in the Summer ! Amazed myself how people are brainwashed by the likes of Sky and Twitter ! Very sad thing about the Human race .. One of my favs is " I might have a CHEEKY bet " lol ,. These sayings are said by 1000s one after the other on Twitter ,.. Hmmm Wonder if we ever did have minds that were free and not Brainwashed ! .. How about " YOU will clap after 9 mins " Or all time FAV ----- WE BELIEVE[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about? I have no idea whether I agree with you or not. demerit

6:49pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Excuse me but hardly anyone has said Hollowhead would get us promoted.

Also, if we want Zola out, and we are effectively the club's customers, then why should we not want a change of management?

And why does this informed opinion make people morons...?

GZ needs to go now.

HC
[quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Excuse me but hardly anyone has said Hollowhead would get us promoted. Also, if we want Zola out, and we are effectively the club's customers, then why should we not want a change of management? And why does this informed opinion make people morons...? GZ needs to go now. HC Hornet Cornet

6:50pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rogeruk says...

coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad!

There is:

Expectancy
Followed by Reality
Followed by 'False Hope'
Followed by Denial
Followed by Delusion

You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami!
[quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad! There is: Expectancy Followed by Reality Followed by 'False Hope' Followed by Denial Followed by Delusion You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami! rogeruk

6:52pm Sat 30 Nov 13

SCMW57 says...

This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....
This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away..... SCMW57

6:53pm Sat 30 Nov 13

demerit says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate[/p][/quote]I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here. demerit

6:55pm Sat 30 Nov 13

demerit says...

SCMW57 wrote:
This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....
Total rubbish - and on today's showing, more like 10 years
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....[/p][/quote]Total rubbish - and on today's showing, more like 10 years demerit

6:56pm Sat 30 Nov 13

-Nightingale- says...

Normally get Zola's post match comments on the WO by now.....
Normally get Zola's post match comments on the WO by now..... -Nightingale-

6:56pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Peter_R says...

Relegation looks much more a possibility than promotion at this point in the season
Relegation looks much more a possibility than promotion at this point in the season Peter_R

6:57pm Sat 30 Nov 13

demerit says...

femalehornet122 wrote:
Like everyone else I was unhappy today. I am not of the opinion though that Zola must go. I just want him to learn how to deal with a 10 man defence. Every time we got near they had the box covered at all angles. Also we leaft our goal wide open which leaqd to the smash and grabs. How many more teams are going to do this to us. Yeovil like chrlton like a lot of them are doign this to us. They are not interested in playing good football just winning. Sometimes we must learn to play dirty like the rest of them. I could nto understnd Nosworhy coming off, he was playing well and holding miller off. Too many strikers ( none of whom who are gettign goals in the second half. We must learn. WE can't win all the time but we need to win some of the time
Oooooooh dear! Thank you for that.
[quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: Like everyone else I was unhappy today. I am not of the opinion though that Zola must go. I just want him to learn how to deal with a 10 man defence. Every time we got near they had the box covered at all angles. Also we leaft our goal wide open which leaqd to the smash and grabs. How many more teams are going to do this to us. Yeovil like chrlton like a lot of them are doign this to us. They are not interested in playing good football just winning. Sometimes we must learn to play dirty like the rest of them. I could nto understnd Nosworhy coming off, he was playing well and holding miller off. Too many strikers ( none of whom who are gettign goals in the second half. We must learn. WE can't win all the time but we need to win some of the time[/p][/quote]Oooooooh dear! Thank you for that. demerit

6:58pm Sat 30 Nov 13

davecowling says...

hahahahahaha United Nations falling to pieces ,,,, i told you last season that Zola was not a good manager and that a blind man could pick a team from the three squads he has to choose from,,, all i got was abuse,,, but listen to you all tonight. Love it. im off out for a few pots, enjoy your evening, up the Town
hahahahahaha United Nations falling to pieces ,,,, i told you last season that Zola was not a good manager and that a blind man could pick a team from the three squads he has to choose from,,, all i got was abuse,,, but listen to you all tonight. Love it. im off out for a few pots, enjoy your evening, up the Town davecowling

7:03pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bigmeuprudeboy says...

davecowling wrote:
hahahahahaha United Nations falling to pieces ,,,, i told you last season that Zola was not a good manager and that a blind man could pick a team from the three squads he has to choose from,,, all i got was abuse,,, but listen to you all tonight. Love it. im off out for a few pots, enjoy your evening, up the Town
Good result against Staines this afternoon Dave, when you are a league club maybe we will take what you say without laughing.

lol
[quote][p][bold]davecowling[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha United Nations falling to pieces ,,,, i told you last season that Zola was not a good manager and that a blind man could pick a team from the three squads he has to choose from,,, all i got was abuse,,, but listen to you all tonight. Love it. im off out for a few pots, enjoy your evening, up the Town[/p][/quote]Good result against Staines this afternoon Dave, when you are a league club maybe we will take what you say without laughing. lol bigmeuprudeboy

7:14pm Sat 30 Nov 13

coldplay says...

rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad!

There is:

Expectancy
Followed by Reality
Followed by 'False Hope'
Followed by Denial
Followed by Delusion

You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami!
Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact.
Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad! There is: Expectancy Followed by Reality Followed by 'False Hope' Followed by Denial Followed by Delusion You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami![/p][/quote]Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact. Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making. coldplay

7:25pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Ramage says...

There will always be people, however bad things are, who say get behind the team, keep the faith etc....what's telling is that they are probably the smallest minority on here tonight for as long as i can remember....feels like there is an unhappy dressing room and GZ is not in control of things.....contrast the player body language this year vs last...worrying times and i suspect the pozzos will not hang about unless things turn round fairly quickly
There will always be people, however bad things are, who say get behind the team, keep the faith etc....what's telling is that they are probably the smallest minority on here tonight for as long as i can remember....feels like there is an unhappy dressing room and GZ is not in control of things.....contrast the player body language this year vs last...worrying times and i suspect the pozzos will not hang about unless things turn round fairly quickly Ramage

7:33pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Guy Bov says...

Loads on here making Zola out comments, same were probably those who said we would walk this league with the squad at our disposal.

Difficult to be positive after our current run and maybe a change would be for the best but we have been hampered with injuries to key players, deeney seems to have got too big for his boots and we are missing the pace and finishing power of vydra, the vision of chalobah and the midfield energy of Hogg
Lets not go over board and be careful what we wish for.
Loads on here making Zola out comments, same were probably those who said we would walk this league with the squad at our disposal. Difficult to be positive after our current run and maybe a change would be for the best but we have been hampered with injuries to key players, deeney seems to have got too big for his boots and we are missing the pace and finishing power of vydra, the vision of chalobah and the midfield energy of Hogg Lets not go over board and be careful what we wish for. Guy Bov

7:43pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

SCMW57 wrote:
This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....
Certainly. And, unless Zola pulls something pretty spectacular out of the hat in the next couple of months,it won't be Zola taking Watford up in two years time. And I like and support Zola---but lets get real, here.
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....[/p][/quote]Certainly. And, unless Zola pulls something pretty spectacular out of the hat in the next couple of months,it won't be Zola taking Watford up in two years time. And I like and support Zola---but lets get real, here. londomollari

7:43pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bigthunder says...

27 shots 2 on target no goals , Yeovil 9 shots 5 on target 3 goals none conceeded says it all

Have said for many months Zola has no plan B and now and for a while Plan A does not work and every team has sussed him out , ever since the backroom team was changed Zola has been found out and now seems like a man out of his depth

No wish to use the words Zola out and frankly as a fan would anyone listen anyway , basically it is up to the owners , if they want promotion this year or next the change will come , if they do not, they leave things alone , that said only thing i will say is under Zola this Watford team will not get promotion the choice is there's
27 shots 2 on target no goals , Yeovil 9 shots 5 on target 3 goals none conceeded says it all Have said for many months Zola has no plan B and now and for a while Plan A does not work and every team has sussed him out , ever since the backroom team was changed Zola has been found out and now seems like a man out of his depth No wish to use the words Zola out and frankly as a fan would anyone listen anyway , basically it is up to the owners , if they want promotion this year or next the change will come , if they do not, they leave things alone , that said only thing i will say is under Zola this Watford team will not get promotion the choice is there's bigthunder

7:44pm Sat 30 Nov 13

big_doris says...

What the hell's wrong with everyone on here?

Why so much expectation? Why so much outrage that Zola's letting us down?

Before he and the Pozzo family came, you wouldn't have felt the same.

Then they arrived, changed everything, had a good first season - and your sense of entitlement gets the better of you.

It was a bad result. (With football still easier on the eye than most stuff we've had to watch in the past.) We're on a bad run.

The headline "embarrassing" just reflects the ridiculous sense of entitlement and expectation amongst fans. It wasn't embarrassing. It was like the previous week, except the opponents played better.

And what if it continues? The Pozzos will hatch a different plan.

Time to calm down.
What the hell's wrong with everyone on here? Why so much expectation? Why so much outrage that Zola's letting us down? Before he and the Pozzo family came, you wouldn't have felt the same. Then they arrived, changed everything, had a good first season - and your sense of entitlement gets the better of you. It was a bad result. (With football still easier on the eye than most stuff we've had to watch in the past.) We're on a bad run. The headline "embarrassing" just reflects the ridiculous sense of entitlement and expectation amongst fans. It wasn't embarrassing. It was like the previous week, except the opponents played better. And what if it continues? The Pozzos will hatch a different plan. Time to calm down. big_doris

7:46pm Sat 30 Nov 13

There was only one Scully says...

This was always a season to far without the key players we lost or are injured.
Great to see Nos back but we have not really repalced likes of: Vydra, Challobah, Hogg and the injured Albi.
I question the logic of the Pozzo's now allowing Vydra to go elsewhere on a season loan, Challobah to go to Forest cos they would not pay the wages allegedly, sadly not replacing the midfield dynamo Hogg and more sadly being without Albi.
Last season we had the pick of Udinese but as we know restrictions under the new rules introduced by the football league meant we could not dip into there bucket of players.
As I stated, we have gone a season to far, sussed out tactically and with players that cannot get a ball on target!
Not sure where GFZ goes from here, just hope he can look at his tactics critically and realise it's not working.
Burnley Tuesday and Leeds next Saturday, prove me wrong GFZ.
This was always a season to far without the key players we lost or are injured. Great to see Nos back but we have not really repalced likes of: Vydra, Challobah, Hogg and the injured Albi. I question the logic of the Pozzo's now allowing Vydra to go elsewhere on a season loan, Challobah to go to Forest cos they would not pay the wages allegedly, sadly not replacing the midfield dynamo Hogg and more sadly being without Albi. Last season we had the pick of Udinese but as we know restrictions under the new rules introduced by the football league meant we could not dip into there bucket of players. As I stated, we have gone a season to far, sussed out tactically and with players that cannot get a ball on target! Not sure where GFZ goes from here, just hope he can look at his tactics critically and realise it's not working. Burnley Tuesday and Leeds next Saturday, prove me wrong GFZ. There was only one Scully

7:46pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rayman01 says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
Poor as the team were today the crowd were worse. The Rookery only woke up late in the second half. Our 'supporters' are a joke at present - believing they have divine right of promotion. Total arrogance calling for Zola's head. That said Zola needs to find some answers and fast. The midfield flat as a pancake with no penetration in final third. Lets stop thinking about promotion. I'd be happy with getting some points on the board. Luv the Horns but totally tired of our fickle fans!
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate[/p][/quote]Poor as the team were today the crowd were worse. The Rookery only woke up late in the second half. Our 'supporters' are a joke at present - believing they have divine right of promotion. Total arrogance calling for Zola's head. That said Zola needs to find some answers and fast. The midfield flat as a pancake with no penetration in final third. Lets stop thinking about promotion. I'd be happy with getting some points on the board. Luv the Horns but totally tired of our fickle fans! rayman01

7:52pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet1995 says...

Fact of the matter is, we should have gone up last year. Admittedly, zola did do incredibly well until around February time, when I believe the turning point was throwing away the 2-0 lead against palace. Teams sussed us out, and we somewhat stumbled to the finish line. Part of this was bad luck with injuries, poor ref decisions with penalties etc, especially against leeds, which i felt just about summed up the latter part of the season. It was so frustrating getting picked on by refs and not getting so many stonewall penalties, which zola hardly even complained about, when if we had someone like holloway, he'd have been waxing lyrical. Zola is too much of a 'mr nice guy' in my opinion. We threw it away last year with giving away so many last minute goals, which you need a strong, organised manager to prevent. This year he seems incredibly stubborn with the formation, and he won't accept that it doesnt work anymore. It suited us up until feb last year, until we became too one dimensional. Now we are too predictable, and performing poorly. There isnt anywhere near enough urgency in our play and we concede far too many goals. The whole thing is frustrating as I believe we have a stronger squad than the majority of teams in the league. I do believe a bit of championship experience is needed, whether it be to guide zola, or replace him altogether. Other than this, we give him till jan, but the formation must change!
Fact of the matter is, we should have gone up last year. Admittedly, zola did do incredibly well until around February time, when I believe the turning point was throwing away the 2-0 lead against palace. Teams sussed us out, and we somewhat stumbled to the finish line. Part of this was bad luck with injuries, poor ref decisions with penalties etc, especially against leeds, which i felt just about summed up the latter part of the season. It was so frustrating getting picked on by refs and not getting so many stonewall penalties, which zola hardly even complained about, when if we had someone like holloway, he'd have been waxing lyrical. Zola is too much of a 'mr nice guy' in my opinion. We threw it away last year with giving away so many last minute goals, which you need a strong, organised manager to prevent. This year he seems incredibly stubborn with the formation, and he won't accept that it doesnt work anymore. It suited us up until feb last year, until we became too one dimensional. Now we are too predictable, and performing poorly. There isnt anywhere near enough urgency in our play and we concede far too many goals. The whole thing is frustrating as I believe we have a stronger squad than the majority of teams in the league. I do believe a bit of championship experience is needed, whether it be to guide zola, or replace him altogether. Other than this, we give him till jan, but the formation must change! Hornet1995

8:01pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

demerit wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.
Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing.
Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong.
My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence.
Something is very wrong.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate[/p][/quote]I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.[/p][/quote]Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing. Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong. My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence. Something is very wrong. londomollari

8:08pm Sat 30 Nov 13

SAHornet says...

SCMW57 wrote:
This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....
SCMW57, I don't think you have posted before but you should post more often. Good to read the voice of sanity and reason.
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....[/p][/quote]SCMW57, I don't think you have posted before but you should post more often. Good to read the voice of sanity and reason. SAHornet

8:11pm Sat 30 Nov 13

lutondown says...

londomollari wrote:
demerit wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.
Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing.
Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong.
My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence.
Something is very wrong.
I agree with you whole heatedly. I think Zola has no idea how to change this around, and I say that with a heavy heart as I really wanted the guy to succeed, being the legend and nice guy he is.
Too many rumours of player power and unsettling influences with in camp and not addressed, and player selection is weird, why is McGugan a shoe in and Battochio left on bench? Mad. But I temper this with if Zola is to blame for the playing tactics then Nani must take the blame for the actual players.
We got tonked today by a team that will go down.
And before the keyboard warriors get on my back, you can question my views in person at Burnley or Leeds.
What a damned shame :-(
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate[/p][/quote]I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.[/p][/quote]Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing. Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong. My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence. Something is very wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree with you whole heatedly. I think Zola has no idea how to change this around, and I say that with a heavy heart as I really wanted the guy to succeed, being the legend and nice guy he is. Too many rumours of player power and unsettling influences with in camp and not addressed, and player selection is weird, why is McGugan a shoe in and Battochio left on bench? Mad. But I temper this with if Zola is to blame for the playing tactics then Nani must take the blame for the actual players. We got tonked today by a team that will go down. And before the keyboard warriors get on my back, you can question my views in person at Burnley or Leeds. What a damned shame :-( lutondown

8:13pm Sat 30 Nov 13

lutondown says...

Btw I started the thumbs down on my comment...lets have ya!
Btw I started the thumbs down on my comment...lets have ya! lutondown

8:15pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Dino1982 says...

I not sure as I lost count, but how many corners did Watford have???!!!!

Must been close to 20.

It was the same thing for each of them. I don't think we got one header on target or shot from any of them!.

Why do the same thing on each corner or free kick?

Surly try something different or they must try something in training!

That was the most frustrating thing for me.

I think although it was a bad result, sometimes these things happen and you get some bad luck with injuries and stuff. you get a bad run and its hard to get out of that.

I think it doesn't help when fans get upset and boo before half time and at the end.

It doesn't help to get worked up and straight after being upset come on here and have a go.

Lets just get back down the ground the next home game and get behind the side!

We will get it right!!!

WE WILL BE BACK!!!!!
I not sure as I lost count, but how many corners did Watford have???!!!! Must been close to 20. It was the same thing for each of them. I don't think we got one header on target or shot from any of them!. Why do the same thing on each corner or free kick? Surly try something different or they must try something in training! That was the most frustrating thing for me. I think although it was a bad result, sometimes these things happen and you get some bad luck with injuries and stuff. you get a bad run and its hard to get out of that. I think it doesn't help when fans get upset and boo before half time and at the end. It doesn't help to get worked up and straight after being upset come on here and have a go. Lets just get back down the ground the next home game and get behind the side! We will get it right!!! WE WILL BE BACK!!!!! Dino1982

8:20pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....
SCMW57, I don't think you have posted before but you should post more often. Good to read the voice of sanity and reason.
Reasonable words BUT the club is heading downhill in a footballing sense. We are financially more secure for now and are probably the envy of a few clubs in the leagues but I cannot accept the horrendous nature of our capitulation this season. It's a disgrace the way things are going, it make me massively concerned that Zola's taken 3 months to finally realise that things ARE going badly, there's no surprise that the supporters are a bit quiet and a bit gutted, but weren't we accused of being like that last season?

GZ has to go as we're heading towards League 1 - EVERYONE is beating us.

HC
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: This is year 2 of a long term project. Be grateful you still have a club with strong financial backing. Last year we over achieved. This year is one of stability on and OFF the pitch. Your club is being rebuilt. Have patience and stop pretending we should be in the Premier League - we are at least 2 years away.....[/p][/quote]SCMW57, I don't think you have posted before but you should post more often. Good to read the voice of sanity and reason.[/p][/quote]Reasonable words BUT the club is heading downhill in a footballing sense. We are financially more secure for now and are probably the envy of a few clubs in the leagues but I cannot accept the horrendous nature of our capitulation this season. It's a disgrace the way things are going, it make me massively concerned that Zola's taken 3 months to finally realise that things ARE going badly, there's no surprise that the supporters are a bit quiet and a bit gutted, but weren't we accused of being like that last season? GZ has to go as we're heading towards League 1 - EVERYONE is beating us. HC Hornet Cornet

8:20pm Sat 30 Nov 13

matey_from_brighton says...

I think it would be harsh to get rid of Zola just now, but can you honestly see him turning it around enough to get promotion this year? 48 shots in the last 2 home games with 3 on target is bad enough but letting in 4 goals against teams that didn't even come with the intention of scoring one tells you everything you need to know at the moment. A tad depressing just now and the next two away games may be a good indicator of whether our team spirit has gone completely as we are generally a better side away from home for some reason.
I think it would be harsh to get rid of Zola just now, but can you honestly see him turning it around enough to get promotion this year? 48 shots in the last 2 home games with 3 on target is bad enough but letting in 4 goals against teams that didn't even come with the intention of scoring one tells you everything you need to know at the moment. A tad depressing just now and the next two away games may be a good indicator of whether our team spirit has gone completely as we are generally a better side away from home for some reason. matey_from_brighton

8:22pm Sat 30 Nov 13

WD18Chris says...

I'm going to Burnley on Tuesday! Why? Because I will support Watford for as long as I live. I cannot make a difference on my own but if people can join me, we can make a difference. We can win there, and the support we show in a so called crisis can always be the difference. It could inspire the players to what we all want. This season has certainly not been what we all dreamed about but we should never give up! YOU ORNS, so come on, those true fans, we all know each other, we all see each other at places like Burnley. Let's go and support.
I'm going to Burnley on Tuesday! Why? Because I will support Watford for as long as I live. I cannot make a difference on my own but if people can join me, we can make a difference. We can win there, and the support we show in a so called crisis can always be the difference. It could inspire the players to what we all want. This season has certainly not been what we all dreamed about but we should never give up! YOU ORNS, so come on, those true fans, we all know each other, we all see each other at places like Burnley. Let's go and support. WD18Chris

8:28pm Sat 30 Nov 13

b.kelso says...

We need a new number 2 simples! Zola is being told what to do by people above him....how sad so many people just say 'Zola out'.....a team needs to play for each other....to many individuals in our team....deeney is a good example....his head got turned in the summer by bigger clubs sniffing.....never really rated him anyway....very bad attitude when things are not going his way......Zola in.....
We need a new number 2 simples! Zola is being told what to do by people above him....how sad so many people just say 'Zola out'.....a team needs to play for each other....to many individuals in our team....deeney is a good example....his head got turned in the summer by bigger clubs sniffing.....never really rated him anyway....very bad attitude when things are not going his way......Zola in..... b.kelso

8:30pm Sat 30 Nov 13

only5foot3 says...

davecowling wrote:
hahahahahaha United Nations falling to pieces ,,,, i told you last season that Zola was not a good manager and that a blind man could pick a team from the three squads he has to choose from,,, all i got was abuse,,, but listen to you all tonight. Love it. im off out for a few pots, enjoy your evening, up the Town
luton scum

another 16k at vic today.

you can only dream

never as big as us
[quote][p][bold]davecowling[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha United Nations falling to pieces ,,,, i told you last season that Zola was not a good manager and that a blind man could pick a team from the three squads he has to choose from,,, all i got was abuse,,, but listen to you all tonight. Love it. im off out for a few pots, enjoy your evening, up the Town[/p][/quote]luton scum another 16k at vic today. you can only dream never as big as us only5foot3

8:30pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Goalkeepers Union says...

tgb1963 wrote:
Please can someone list the attributes of McGugan as a pro-footballer. No pace, no vision, can't pick a forward pass, can't tackle, doesn't win headers and doesn't get 'stuck-in'? Yet Zola persists on playing him ahead of Fabbrini.
Why did it take going 2 nil down for Deeney to start to contest headers instead of looking to the ref to give non-existent fouls? Why was Nosworthy who had a faultless game substituted instead of Ekstrand whose distribution today was awful and kept playing people into trouble, viz the second goal?
Three questions. Answers please anyone.
Deeney did win headers in the first half I can think of at least half a dozen...including one that almost teed up FF. May I suggest that NN was subbed as this is only his third game (one being u21 fixture) back after 8 months out injured. He may have tired before the ninety, so if Zola had taken Ekstrand off and then NN had tired we would have had to use another defensive sub (if we had any subs left) in a game where we are chasing 2 goals. McGugan, you got me, but he was slightly better than 'square ball is on' McCreachran. Anyway, I am not defending the result just answering your questions...I am hurting so bad at the moment, but we were improved from last week because there was at least some penetration. Said it many times, as have others, we need a striker that will play off the shoulder of the last defender. Should Zola be sacked? I am not sure, but then I am an optimist, do we need to change our formation? I think that the players we have would be better suited to an alternative formation. For my money the player we are missing is Chalobah he was always happy to receive the ball in tight areas, and show short! which is something we are missing.

Hope we can sort this out, but not sure sacking GFZ is the answer, although I respect those that do. Whoever comes in (if someone does) I cannot believe people are touting hollow head.

Maybe an experienced number two is what we need??
[quote][p][bold]tgb1963[/bold] wrote: Please can someone list the attributes of McGugan as a pro-footballer. No pace, no vision, can't pick a forward pass, can't tackle, doesn't win headers and doesn't get 'stuck-in'? Yet Zola persists on playing him ahead of Fabbrini. Why did it take going 2 nil down for Deeney to start to contest headers instead of looking to the ref to give non-existent fouls? Why was Nosworthy who had a faultless game substituted instead of Ekstrand whose distribution today was awful and kept playing people into trouble, viz the second goal? Three questions. Answers please anyone.[/p][/quote]Deeney did win headers in the first half I can think of at least half a dozen...including one that almost teed up FF. May I suggest that NN was subbed as this is only his third game (one being u21 fixture) back after 8 months out injured. He may have tired before the ninety, so if Zola had taken Ekstrand off and then NN had tired we would have had to use another defensive sub (if we had any subs left) in a game where we are chasing 2 goals. McGugan, you got me, but he was slightly better than 'square ball is on' McCreachran. Anyway, I am not defending the result just answering your questions...I am hurting so bad at the moment, but we were improved from last week because there was at least some penetration. Said it many times, as have others, we need a striker that will play off the shoulder of the last defender. Should Zola be sacked? I am not sure, but then I am an optimist, do we need to change our formation? I think that the players we have would be better suited to an alternative formation. For my money the player we are missing is Chalobah he was always happy to receive the ball in tight areas, and show short! which is something we are missing. Hope we can sort this out, but not sure sacking GFZ is the answer, although I respect those that do. Whoever comes in (if someone does) I cannot believe people are touting hollow head. Maybe an experienced number two is what we need?? Goalkeepers Union

8:30pm Sat 30 Nov 13

the jesterwestport says...

wheres rayman? we are the spurs of the championship! need help fast amazing how theres 75 posts in 2 hours but hard to blame people, something seriously wrong!!!!! s.o.s!
wheres rayman? we are the spurs of the championship! need help fast amazing how theres 75 posts in 2 hours but hard to blame people, something seriously wrong!!!!! s.o.s! the jesterwestport

8:31pm Sat 30 Nov 13

downunderorn says...

Clearly there is trouble in the camp, I believe its time for the manager to take a Sardinian holiday. As I stated a few weeks ago we must learn how to defend. It is time to be calm and appoint a new manager of strong character and tactical ability who can use the obvious talent we have and to remove the troublemakers.
Once again it has been proved that not all great players make great managers.
The opportunity we missed at the end of last season to win automatic promotion has come home to roost. WUID
Clearly there is trouble in the camp, I believe its time for the manager to take a Sardinian holiday. As I stated a few weeks ago we must learn how to defend. It is time to be calm and appoint a new manager of strong character and tactical ability who can use the obvious talent we have and to remove the troublemakers. Once again it has been proved that not all great players make great managers. The opportunity we missed at the end of last season to win automatic promotion has come home to roost. WUID downunderorn

8:43pm Sat 30 Nov 13

demerit says...

lutondown wrote:
londomollari wrote:
demerit wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.
Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing.
Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong.
My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence.
Something is very wrong.
I agree with you whole heatedly. I think Zola has no idea how to change this around, and I say that with a heavy heart as I really wanted the guy to succeed, being the legend and nice guy he is.
Too many rumours of player power and unsettling influences with in camp and not addressed, and player selection is weird, why is McGugan a shoe in and Battochio left on bench? Mad. But I temper this with if Zola is to blame for the playing tactics then Nani must take the blame for the actual players.
We got tonked today by a team that will go down.
And before the keyboard warriors get on my back, you can question my views in person at Burnley or Leeds.
What a damned shame :-(
I am with you LD completely. I couldn't have put it better.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate[/p][/quote]I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.[/p][/quote]Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing. Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong. My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence. Something is very wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree with you whole heatedly. I think Zola has no idea how to change this around, and I say that with a heavy heart as I really wanted the guy to succeed, being the legend and nice guy he is. Too many rumours of player power and unsettling influences with in camp and not addressed, and player selection is weird, why is McGugan a shoe in and Battochio left on bench? Mad. But I temper this with if Zola is to blame for the playing tactics then Nani must take the blame for the actual players. We got tonked today by a team that will go down. And before the keyboard warriors get on my back, you can question my views in person at Burnley or Leeds. What a damned shame :-([/p][/quote]I am with you LD completely. I couldn't have put it better. demerit

8:43pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Stoney77 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager.

I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go.

Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics.

ZOLA OUT
Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager. I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go. Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics. ZOLA OUT[/p][/quote]Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season. Stoney77

8:49pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager.

I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go.

Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics.

ZOLA OUT
Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season.
It was time of the month. I go all hormonal
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager. I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go. Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics. ZOLA OUT[/p][/quote]Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season.[/p][/quote]It was time of the month. I go all hormonal Hornet Cornet

8:54pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rogeruk says...

coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad!

There is:

Expectancy
Followed by Reality
Followed by 'False Hope'
Followed by Denial
Followed by Delusion

You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami!
Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact.
Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.
Pity you don't understand!

You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you.

To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war!

or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister:

Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport!
[quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad! There is: Expectancy Followed by Reality Followed by 'False Hope' Followed by Denial Followed by Delusion You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami![/p][/quote]Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact. Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.[/p][/quote]Pity you don't understand! You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you. To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war! or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister: Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport! rogeruk

9:00pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Wfc126 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Excuse me but hardly anyone has said Hollowhead would get us promoted.

Also, if we want Zola out, and we are effectively the club's customers, then why should we not want a change of management?

And why does this informed opinion make people morons...?

GZ needs to go now.

HC
Another clueless comment from our embarassing, clueless supporters. Yes you are a customer so you have the right not to pay your money and turn up. Buying something from John Lewis doesn't mean you have the right to ask for their store manager to be sacked?! Utter clueless idoiots, although slighlty comforting to see some people on here with perspective. Everyone please review the last few years and then really think, is it all that disasterous?? Zola brings a lot to this club that we would lose, so i hope the Pozzos are busy trying to work out how to gain what we need rather than start from scratch again.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Excuse me but hardly anyone has said Hollowhead would get us promoted. Also, if we want Zola out, and we are effectively the club's customers, then why should we not want a change of management? And why does this informed opinion make people morons...? GZ needs to go now. HC[/p][/quote]Another clueless comment from our embarassing, clueless supporters. Yes you are a customer so you have the right not to pay your money and turn up. Buying something from John Lewis doesn't mean you have the right to ask for their store manager to be sacked?! Utter clueless idoiots, although slighlty comforting to see some people on here with perspective. Everyone please review the last few years and then really think, is it all that disasterous?? Zola brings a lot to this club that we would lose, so i hope the Pozzos are busy trying to work out how to gain what we need rather than start from scratch again. Wfc126

9:10pm Sat 30 Nov 13

J.A.A. says...

I can see an elephant coming into the room. Its white and it looks like the new stand.
I can see an elephant coming into the room. Its white and it looks like the new stand. J.A.A.

9:11pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Andrew1963 says...

There is something that has gone wrong within the camp. Unable to get their keeper having to make a save all match. As said before it was self inflicted defeats at mill wall, Peterborough and Bristol City that lost us promotion last year. We won't get that chance this year as there are stronger teams in the division this year. Team is unbalanced, unable to get results in this division. Either the head coach drags the team into form or he has to tell the owners that the squad is not right for the job. A bit left field but if we are going to take on my loanees, what about Danny Graham from January. He needs to go somewhere to get his confidence back, the crowd love him and at championship level he can do a job for us.
There is something that has gone wrong within the camp. Unable to get their keeper having to make a save all match. As said before it was self inflicted defeats at mill wall, Peterborough and Bristol City that lost us promotion last year. We won't get that chance this year as there are stronger teams in the division this year. Team is unbalanced, unable to get results in this division. Either the head coach drags the team into form or he has to tell the owners that the squad is not right for the job. A bit left field but if we are going to take on my loanees, what about Danny Graham from January. He needs to go somewhere to get his confidence back, the crowd love him and at championship level he can do a job for us. Andrew1963

9:11pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rogeruk says...

WD18Chris wrote:
I'm going to Burnley on Tuesday! Why? Because I will support Watford for as long as I live. I cannot make a difference on my own but if people can join me, we can make a difference. We can win there, and the support we show in a so called crisis can always be the difference. It could inspire the players to what we all want. This season has certainly not been what we all dreamed about but we should never give up! YOU ORNS, so come on, those true fans, we all know each other, we all see each other at places like Burnley. Let's go and support.
Good on you, but you can't send soldiers into wars without guns if you expect them to win!

In football you can't win promotion if you do not have goals and can't defend!
It's not about personalities it’s about facts!

Bottom line; Zola is out of his depth and sinking fast, his murmurings of the last month are nonsensical. Frankly Zola will never be a successful; manager at the top of the football tree! As nice a guy as he is, we cannot stop a project affecting tens of thousands and serious investment because of the failings of a ‘nice guy’

One part is never bigger than the sum of parts! Sentimentality cannot be tolerated in this situation!
[quote][p][bold]WD18Chris[/bold] wrote: I'm going to Burnley on Tuesday! Why? Because I will support Watford for as long as I live. I cannot make a difference on my own but if people can join me, we can make a difference. We can win there, and the support we show in a so called crisis can always be the difference. It could inspire the players to what we all want. This season has certainly not been what we all dreamed about but we should never give up! YOU ORNS, so come on, those true fans, we all know each other, we all see each other at places like Burnley. Let's go and support.[/p][/quote]Good on you, but you can't send soldiers into wars without guns if you expect them to win! In football you can't win promotion if you do not have goals and can't defend! It's not about personalities it’s about facts! Bottom line; Zola is out of his depth and sinking fast, his murmurings of the last month are nonsensical. Frankly Zola will never be a successful; manager at the top of the football tree! As nice a guy as he is, we cannot stop a project affecting tens of thousands and serious investment because of the failings of a ‘nice guy’ One part is never bigger than the sum of parts! Sentimentality cannot be tolerated in this situation! rogeruk

9:17pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Stoney77 says...

Shocking day of football but this is no DISASTER. Of course we should be doing better than we are. We desperately miss Abdi, Chalobah, Vydra and Anya. Dare I say it 4 of the best players in the championship. No wonder we are struggling. But it's not just that, we seem clueless in terms of opening up opposition and have no urgency on or off the ball. Who knows why.... Zolas tactical inability? Change in number 2? Dressing room unrest? I wouldn't like to speculate. One thing us for sure and that's that the Pozzos will know what's wrong. Forget this season, let's build a team for next season, starting in January. British Steele required, some big lads to threaten at set pieces and get stuck in. A coach/no.2 who knows this division and what's required to be successful, someone who can organise our defence. Our first goal conceded today was embarrassing. Knowing how to defend, how to grind out a result and how to turn it on and rip teams apart like last season are something we desperately need to learn. BUT Like I said this is not a disaster. Shocking run of form yes, but we have a financially stable club to support with owners who know what they are doing and we have potential. As frustrating as it is let's thing of the longer term here. In the Pozzos we trust and if/when they decide Zolas time is up then I will trust their decision.
2 away games away from the pressures of a disgruntled home crowd could be just what we need. Burnley not won in 4. COYH
Shocking day of football but this is no DISASTER. Of course we should be doing better than we are. We desperately miss Abdi, Chalobah, Vydra and Anya. Dare I say it 4 of the best players in the championship. No wonder we are struggling. But it's not just that, we seem clueless in terms of opening up opposition and have no urgency on or off the ball. Who knows why.... Zolas tactical inability? Change in number 2? Dressing room unrest? I wouldn't like to speculate. One thing us for sure and that's that the Pozzos will know what's wrong. Forget this season, let's build a team for next season, starting in January. British Steele required, some big lads to threaten at set pieces and get stuck in. A coach/no.2 who knows this division and what's required to be successful, someone who can organise our defence. Our first goal conceded today was embarrassing. Knowing how to defend, how to grind out a result and how to turn it on and rip teams apart like last season are something we desperately need to learn. BUT Like I said this is not a disaster. Shocking run of form yes, but we have a financially stable club to support with owners who know what they are doing and we have potential. As frustrating as it is let's thing of the longer term here. In the Pozzos we trust and if/when they decide Zolas time is up then I will trust their decision. 2 away games away from the pressures of a disgruntled home crowd could be just what we need. Burnley not won in 4. COYH Stoney77

9:20pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

lutondown wrote:
londomollari wrote:
demerit wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.
Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing.
Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong.
My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence.
Something is very wrong.
I agree with you whole heatedly. I think Zola has no idea how to change this around, and I say that with a heavy heart as I really wanted the guy to succeed, being the legend and nice guy he is.
Too many rumours of player power and unsettling influences with in camp and not addressed, and player selection is weird, why is McGugan a shoe in and Battochio left on bench? Mad. But I temper this with if Zola is to blame for the playing tactics then Nani must take the blame for the actual players.
We got tonked today by a team that will go down.
And before the keyboard warriors get on my back, you can question my views in person at Burnley or Leeds.
What a damned shame :-(
Hullo,LD! Good to hear from you! Don't always agree fully with you, but this time I think you are 100% correct. I am deeply saddened to see Zola struggling. My Italian friends maintain that Angella, Fessi, Battochio, Fabbrini, Faraoni should be knocking on the first team door at Udinese, not struggling at Watford. There is something badly wrong.---I look at the league and can't see a team we can beat at Vicarage Road.
LD, we are Watford old boys. Fifty years or so of watching our team. We KNOW when a team is on a slide, when a manager is struggling. Zola is struggling
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate[/p][/quote]I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.[/p][/quote]Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing. Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong. My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence. Something is very wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree with you whole heatedly. I think Zola has no idea how to change this around, and I say that with a heavy heart as I really wanted the guy to succeed, being the legend and nice guy he is. Too many rumours of player power and unsettling influences with in camp and not addressed, and player selection is weird, why is McGugan a shoe in and Battochio left on bench? Mad. But I temper this with if Zola is to blame for the playing tactics then Nani must take the blame for the actual players. We got tonked today by a team that will go down. And before the keyboard warriors get on my back, you can question my views in person at Burnley or Leeds. What a damned shame :-([/p][/quote]Hullo,LD! Good to hear from you! Don't always agree fully with you, but this time I think you are 100% correct. I am deeply saddened to see Zola struggling. My Italian friends maintain that Angella, Fessi, Battochio, Fabbrini, Faraoni should be knocking on the first team door at Udinese, not struggling at Watford. There is something badly wrong.---I look at the league and can't see a team we can beat at Vicarage Road. LD, we are Watford old boys. Fifty years or so of watching our team. We KNOW when a team is on a slide, when a manager is struggling. Zola is struggling londomollari

9:26pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Shocking day of football but this is no DISASTER. Of course we should be doing better than we are. We desperately miss Abdi, Chalobah, Vydra and Anya. Dare I say it 4 of the best players in the championship. No wonder we are struggling. But it's not just that, we seem clueless in terms of opening up opposition and have no urgency on or off the ball. Who knows why.... Zolas tactical inability? Change in number 2? Dressing room unrest? I wouldn't like to speculate. One thing us for sure and that's that the Pozzos will know what's wrong. Forget this season, let's build a team for next season, starting in January. British Steele required, some big lads to threaten at set pieces and get stuck in. A coach/no.2 who knows this division and what's required to be successful, someone who can organise our defence. Our first goal conceded today was embarrassing. Knowing how to defend, how to grind out a result and how to turn it on and rip teams apart like last season are something we desperately need to learn. BUT Like I said this is not a disaster. Shocking run of form yes, but we have a financially stable club to support with owners who know what they are doing and we have potential. As frustrating as it is let's thing of the longer term here. In the Pozzos we trust and if/when they decide Zolas time is up then I will trust their decision.
2 away games away from the pressures of a disgruntled home crowd could be just what we need. Burnley not won in 4. COYH
Spot on. The team may not be delivering, but the Pozzo's are. We must trust their decisions
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Shocking day of football but this is no DISASTER. Of course we should be doing better than we are. We desperately miss Abdi, Chalobah, Vydra and Anya. Dare I say it 4 of the best players in the championship. No wonder we are struggling. But it's not just that, we seem clueless in terms of opening up opposition and have no urgency on or off the ball. Who knows why.... Zolas tactical inability? Change in number 2? Dressing room unrest? I wouldn't like to speculate. One thing us for sure and that's that the Pozzos will know what's wrong. Forget this season, let's build a team for next season, starting in January. British Steele required, some big lads to threaten at set pieces and get stuck in. A coach/no.2 who knows this division and what's required to be successful, someone who can organise our defence. Our first goal conceded today was embarrassing. Knowing how to defend, how to grind out a result and how to turn it on and rip teams apart like last season are something we desperately need to learn. BUT Like I said this is not a disaster. Shocking run of form yes, but we have a financially stable club to support with owners who know what they are doing and we have potential. As frustrating as it is let's thing of the longer term here. In the Pozzos we trust and if/when they decide Zolas time is up then I will trust their decision. 2 away games away from the pressures of a disgruntled home crowd could be just what we need. Burnley not won in 4. COYH[/p][/quote]Spot on. The team may not be delivering, but the Pozzo's are. We must trust their decisions londomollari

9:30pm Sat 30 Nov 13

endean2 says...

coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions.

what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude,
and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no
proper understanding of this division.

The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less.
This has been the case for the last couple of months.

I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from
my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.
[quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions. what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude, and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no proper understanding of this division. The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less. This has been the case for the last couple of months. I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that. endean2

9:37pm Sat 30 Nov 13

coldplay says...

rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad!

There is:

Expectancy
Followed by Reality
Followed by 'False Hope'
Followed by Denial
Followed by Delusion

You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami!
Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact.
Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.
Pity you don't understand!

You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you.

To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war!

or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister:

Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport!
Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad! There is: Expectancy Followed by Reality Followed by 'False Hope' Followed by Denial Followed by Delusion You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami![/p][/quote]Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact. Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.[/p][/quote]Pity you don't understand! You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you. To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war! or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister: Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport![/p][/quote]Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you? coldplay

9:54pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Stoney77 says...

endean2 wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions.

what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude,
and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no
proper understanding of this division.

The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less.
This has been the case for the last couple of months.

I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from
my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.
No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh.
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions. what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude, and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no proper understanding of this division. The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less. This has been the case for the last couple of months. I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.[/p][/quote]No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh. Stoney77

10:00pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

Stoney77 wrote:
endean2 wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions.

what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude,
and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no
proper understanding of this division.

The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less.
This has been the case for the last couple of months.

I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from
my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.
No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh.
Just a comment in passing. Anyone Watford supporter who travels from Yeovil to watch what we saw today has a perfect right to be a little patronising and a little negative. he should, at least, get his ticket money back.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions. what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude, and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no proper understanding of this division. The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less. This has been the case for the last couple of months. I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.[/p][/quote]No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh.[/p][/quote]Just a comment in passing. Anyone Watford supporter who travels from Yeovil to watch what we saw today has a perfect right to be a little patronising and a little negative. he should, at least, get his ticket money back. londomollari

10:00pm Sat 30 Nov 13

PozzoHornet says...

As paying customers of the club, it is people's right to express their dissatisfaction with the service being offered, especially in difficult economic times such as these. I sang with those who chanted 'this is embarrassing', because it was.

I'm sorry, but defending Zola as a good manager at this point is simply delusional. I have been very patient with him, but for me this was simply awful. Subbing our best defender and our best midfielder (that is, in terms of performance during the game) for two STRIKERS and then claiming it was supposed to be a 4-2-3-1 simply smacked of desperation on Zola's part, especially given it was only 10 mins into the second half.

Fabbrini simply can't beat a man like he could at the start of the season, and frankly, that was the only good facet of his play. His predictability on the ball is ridiculously infuriating and I genuinely believe that any competent, League 1 standard defender could defend against him. I hate to say it, but Forestieri is similar, although not as bad as Fabbrini. They both REALLY need to work on their weak foot, as both have, on numerous occasions this season, wasted chances by trying to cut onto their strong foot. This goes for Deeney and Acuna as well.

To those who chastise people for booing, your excuses largely being 'we're only 4 points off the play-offs' or 'we need to get behind the players', I say this: Malky Mackay once said 'never too high, never too low' and at the time I would have agreed with him. However at the time, we were a mid-table Championship side - nothing more, nothing less. As such, our expectations were in line with that. Now, things are different. We have seen the things we are capable of, and we know this side is capable of automatic promotion. Therefore, to say we are only four points off the play-offs is way below what our expectations were at the start of the season. We are MASSIVELY under-performing. And, given that Gianfranco, for all his niceties, doesn't seem able to motivate his players to perform for him, we, the supporters, shall be the bad guy; we'll 'get behind the players' like you ask, and give them the boot up the backside they don't seem to be getting from the management when they put in a crap performance like that of today. The players have their carrot - promotion. The problem is, they don't have a stick. We must assume that position in the absence of anyone else.
As paying customers of the club, it is people's right to express their dissatisfaction with the service being offered, especially in difficult economic times such as these. I sang with those who chanted 'this is embarrassing', because it was. I'm sorry, but defending Zola as a good manager at this point is simply delusional. I have been very patient with him, but for me this was simply awful. Subbing our best defender and our best midfielder (that is, in terms of performance during the game) for two STRIKERS and then claiming it was supposed to be a 4-2-3-1 simply smacked of desperation on Zola's part, especially given it was only 10 mins into the second half. Fabbrini simply can't beat a man like he could at the start of the season, and frankly, that was the only good facet of his play. His predictability on the ball is ridiculously infuriating and I genuinely believe that any competent, League 1 standard defender could defend against him. I hate to say it, but Forestieri is similar, although not as bad as Fabbrini. They both REALLY need to work on their weak foot, as both have, on numerous occasions this season, wasted chances by trying to cut onto their strong foot. This goes for Deeney and Acuna as well. To those who chastise people for booing, your excuses largely being 'we're only 4 points off the play-offs' or 'we need to get behind the players', I say this: Malky Mackay once said 'never too high, never too low' and at the time I would have agreed with him. However at the time, we were a mid-table Championship side - nothing more, nothing less. As such, our expectations were in line with that. Now, things are different. We have seen the things we are capable of, and we know this side is capable of automatic promotion. Therefore, to say we are only four points off the play-offs is way below what our expectations were at the start of the season. We are MASSIVELY under-performing. And, given that Gianfranco, for all his niceties, doesn't seem able to motivate his players to perform for him, we, the supporters, shall be the bad guy; we'll 'get behind the players' like you ask, and give them the boot up the backside they don't seem to be getting from the management when they put in a crap performance like that of today. The players have their carrot - promotion. The problem is, they don't have a stick. We must assume that position in the absence of anyone else. PozzoHornet

10:10pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Stoney77 says...

londomollari wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
endean2 wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions.

what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude,
and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no
proper understanding of this division.

The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less.
This has been the case for the last couple of months.

I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from
my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.
No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh.
Just a comment in passing. Anyone Watford supporter who travels from Yeovil to watch what we saw today has a perfect right to be a little patronising and a little negative. he should, at least, get his ticket money back.
In your opinion, maybe. I travel from Reading every week, should I get some sort of refund? How ridiculous! If you don't want to support a team that might lose now and again then go and support whoevers top of the prem. supporters asking for some kind of refund when their team play badly is absolutely pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions. what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude, and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no proper understanding of this division. The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less. This has been the case for the last couple of months. I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.[/p][/quote]No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh.[/p][/quote]Just a comment in passing. Anyone Watford supporter who travels from Yeovil to watch what we saw today has a perfect right to be a little patronising and a little negative. he should, at least, get his ticket money back.[/p][/quote]In your opinion, maybe. I travel from Reading every week, should I get some sort of refund? How ridiculous! If you don't want to support a team that might lose now and again then go and support whoevers top of the prem. supporters asking for some kind of refund when their team play badly is absolutely pathetic. Stoney77

10:20pm Sat 30 Nov 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
As paying customers of the club, it is people's right to express their dissatisfaction with the service being offered, especially in difficult economic times such as these. I sang with those who chanted 'this is embarrassing', because it was.

I'm sorry, but defending Zola as a good manager at this point is simply delusional. I have been very patient with him, but for me this was simply awful. Subbing our best defender and our best midfielder (that is, in terms of performance during the game) for two STRIKERS and then claiming it was supposed to be a 4-2-3-1 simply smacked of desperation on Zola's part, especially given it was only 10 mins into the second half.

Fabbrini simply can't beat a man like he could at the start of the season, and frankly, that was the only good facet of his play. His predictability on the ball is ridiculously infuriating and I genuinely believe that any competent, League 1 standard defender could defend against him. I hate to say it, but Forestieri is similar, although not as bad as Fabbrini. They both REALLY need to work on their weak foot, as both have, on numerous occasions this season, wasted chances by trying to cut onto their strong foot. This goes for Deeney and Acuna as well.

To those who chastise people for booing, your excuses largely being 'we're only 4 points off the play-offs' or 'we need to get behind the players', I say this: Malky Mackay once said 'never too high, never too low' and at the time I would have agreed with him. However at the time, we were a mid-table Championship side - nothing more, nothing less. As such, our expectations were in line with that. Now, things are different. We have seen the things we are capable of, and we know this side is capable of automatic promotion. Therefore, to say we are only four points off the play-offs is way below what our expectations were at the start of the season. We are MASSIVELY under-performing. And, given that Gianfranco, for all his niceties, doesn't seem able to motivate his players to perform for him, we, the supporters, shall be the bad guy; we'll 'get behind the players' like you ask, and give them the boot up the backside they don't seem to be getting from the management when they put in a crap performance like that of today. The players have their carrot - promotion. The problem is, they don't have a stick. We must assume that position in the absence of anyone else.
So the answer is boo the players and chant this is embarrassing...the kick up the backside the players deserve and all will be OK. Didn't work today did it!!. Any other well thought out suggestions.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: As paying customers of the club, it is people's right to express their dissatisfaction with the service being offered, especially in difficult economic times such as these. I sang with those who chanted 'this is embarrassing', because it was. I'm sorry, but defending Zola as a good manager at this point is simply delusional. I have been very patient with him, but for me this was simply awful. Subbing our best defender and our best midfielder (that is, in terms of performance during the game) for two STRIKERS and then claiming it was supposed to be a 4-2-3-1 simply smacked of desperation on Zola's part, especially given it was only 10 mins into the second half. Fabbrini simply can't beat a man like he could at the start of the season, and frankly, that was the only good facet of his play. His predictability on the ball is ridiculously infuriating and I genuinely believe that any competent, League 1 standard defender could defend against him. I hate to say it, but Forestieri is similar, although not as bad as Fabbrini. They both REALLY need to work on their weak foot, as both have, on numerous occasions this season, wasted chances by trying to cut onto their strong foot. This goes for Deeney and Acuna as well. To those who chastise people for booing, your excuses largely being 'we're only 4 points off the play-offs' or 'we need to get behind the players', I say this: Malky Mackay once said 'never too high, never too low' and at the time I would have agreed with him. However at the time, we were a mid-table Championship side - nothing more, nothing less. As such, our expectations were in line with that. Now, things are different. We have seen the things we are capable of, and we know this side is capable of automatic promotion. Therefore, to say we are only four points off the play-offs is way below what our expectations were at the start of the season. We are MASSIVELY under-performing. And, given that Gianfranco, for all his niceties, doesn't seem able to motivate his players to perform for him, we, the supporters, shall be the bad guy; we'll 'get behind the players' like you ask, and give them the boot up the backside they don't seem to be getting from the management when they put in a crap performance like that of today. The players have their carrot - promotion. The problem is, they don't have a stick. We must assume that position in the absence of anyone else.[/p][/quote]So the answer is boo the players and chant this is embarrassing...the kick up the backside the players deserve and all will be OK. Didn't work today did it!!. Any other well thought out suggestions. anywayasiwasaying

10:23pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rogeruk says...

coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad!

There is:

Expectancy
Followed by Reality
Followed by 'False Hope'
Followed by Denial
Followed by Delusion

You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami!
Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact.
Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.
Pity you don't understand!

You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you.

To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war!

or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister:

Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport!
Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you?
Yours is a rant across the whole spectrum of Watford and its supporters, where did you get the authority to make judgments on so many elements about what constitutes disgraceful and all your other moans?

Booing is a great tool it is part of English Heritage, for centuries in the theatre, sport, politics or anywhere people booed when they saw rubbish, politicians were booed when they spouted crap!

Today, if you boo a politician you will get arrested under the terrorism act.
We need more booing not less. You are a conformist, you like control, regulations and PC, you don't like or can't handle change, neither do you like free speech and individual freedoms, thanks to people like you the government has or intends to make just about everything into something illegal.

Governments get their power and control from people like you that’s to say people who like order, regulations and men in dark uniforms with guns and Tasers whilst confronting unarmed citizens.

You need to embrace individuality and freedoms of opinions not make judgments on them and you play the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes right or wrong which is what your whole rant is about.

Yours is by far the most negative post on this board, paradoxically you accuse almost everybody of negativity, what also comes across is your lack of intelligence and a decent IQ!

The reason you call it ‘garbage’ is because; it is beyond the realms of your comprehension, given the small world in which you live, where did you get your worldly wisdom you espouse?

You intend to impose your moral judgments on the rest of us like a mini dictator you are in the final analysis a total hypocrite!
[quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad! There is: Expectancy Followed by Reality Followed by 'False Hope' Followed by Denial Followed by Delusion You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami![/p][/quote]Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact. Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.[/p][/quote]Pity you don't understand! You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you. To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war! or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister: Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport![/p][/quote]Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you?[/p][/quote]Yours is a rant across the whole spectrum of Watford and its supporters, where did you get the authority to make judgments on so many elements about what constitutes disgraceful and all your other moans? Booing is a great tool it is part of English Heritage, for centuries in the theatre, sport, politics or anywhere people booed when they saw rubbish, politicians were booed when they spouted crap! Today, if you boo a politician you will get arrested under the terrorism act. We need more booing not less. You are a conformist, you like control, regulations and PC, you don't like or can't handle change, neither do you like free speech and individual freedoms, thanks to people like you the government has or intends to make just about everything into something illegal. Governments get their power and control from people like you that’s to say people who like order, regulations and men in dark uniforms with guns and Tasers whilst confronting unarmed citizens. You need to embrace individuality and freedoms of opinions not make judgments on them and you play the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes right or wrong which is what your whole rant is about. Yours is by far the most negative post on this board, paradoxically you accuse almost everybody of negativity, what also comes across is your lack of intelligence and a decent IQ! The reason you call it ‘garbage’ is because; it is beyond the realms of your comprehension, given the small world in which you live, where did you get your worldly wisdom you espouse? You intend to impose your moral judgments on the rest of us like a mini dictator you are in the final analysis a total hypocrite! rogeruk

10:24pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

Stoney77 wrote:
londomollari wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
endean2 wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions.

what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude,
and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no
proper understanding of this division.

The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less.
This has been the case for the last couple of months.

I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from
my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.
No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh.
Just a comment in passing. Anyone Watford supporter who travels from Yeovil to watch what we saw today has a perfect right to be a little patronising and a little negative. he should, at least, get his ticket money back.
In your opinion, maybe. I travel from Reading every week, should I get some sort of refund? How ridiculous! If you don't want to support a team that might lose now and again then go and support whoevers top of the prem. supporters asking for some kind of refund when their team play badly is absolutely pathetic.
Oh,dear. Someone has had a humour by-pass. The comment was intended a light-hearted break from the angst on here tonight. Sorry I trod on your corns.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]eloquent little post but I would have differ on opinions. what I /we all saw today was a team in freefall because of their own ineptitude, and/ or commitment coupled with a manager who quite frankly has no proper understanding of this division. The crowd reacted to what they saw on the pitch, nothing more nothing less. This has been the case for the last couple of months. I live 5 miles from Yeovil, just got home, and hear the LAUGHTER from my house. That was a complete embarassement, defeat I can take, not that.[/p][/quote]No need to be so patronising at the start of your comment and to be honest who cares if it's embarrassing in YOUR house. Get over yourself. Your perpetually negative comments are pretty boring tbh.[/p][/quote]Just a comment in passing. Anyone Watford supporter who travels from Yeovil to watch what we saw today has a perfect right to be a little patronising and a little negative. he should, at least, get his ticket money back.[/p][/quote]In your opinion, maybe. I travel from Reading every week, should I get some sort of refund? How ridiculous! If you don't want to support a team that might lose now and again then go and support whoevers top of the prem. supporters asking for some kind of refund when their team play badly is absolutely pathetic.[/p][/quote]Oh,dear. Someone has had a humour by-pass. The comment was intended a light-hearted break from the angst on here tonight. Sorry I trod on your corns. londomollari

10:54pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad!

There is:

Expectancy
Followed by Reality
Followed by 'False Hope'
Followed by Denial
Followed by Delusion

You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami!
Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact.
Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.
Pity you don't understand!

You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you.

To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war!

or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister:

Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport!
Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you?
Yours is a rant across the whole spectrum of Watford and its supporters, where did you get the authority to make judgments on so many elements about what constitutes disgraceful and all your other moans?

Booing is a great tool it is part of English Heritage, for centuries in the theatre, sport, politics or anywhere people booed when they saw rubbish, politicians were booed when they spouted crap!

Today, if you boo a politician you will get arrested under the terrorism act.
We need more booing not less. You are a conformist, you like control, regulations and PC, you don't like or can't handle change, neither do you like free speech and individual freedoms, thanks to people like you the government has or intends to make just about everything into something illegal.

Governments get their power and control from people like you that’s to say people who like order, regulations and men in dark uniforms with guns and Tasers whilst confronting unarmed citizens.

You need to embrace individuality and freedoms of opinions not make judgments on them and you play the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes right or wrong which is what your whole rant is about.

Yours is by far the most negative post on this board, paradoxically you accuse almost everybody of negativity, what also comes across is your lack of intelligence and a decent IQ!

The reason you call it ‘garbage’ is because; it is beyond the realms of your comprehension, given the small world in which you live, where did you get your worldly wisdom you espouse?

You intend to impose your moral judgments on the rest of us like a mini dictator you are in the final analysis a total hypocrite!
This is pure brilliance
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad! There is: Expectancy Followed by Reality Followed by 'False Hope' Followed by Denial Followed by Delusion You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami![/p][/quote]Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact. Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.[/p][/quote]Pity you don't understand! You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you. To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war! or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister: Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport![/p][/quote]Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you?[/p][/quote]Yours is a rant across the whole spectrum of Watford and its supporters, where did you get the authority to make judgments on so many elements about what constitutes disgraceful and all your other moans? Booing is a great tool it is part of English Heritage, for centuries in the theatre, sport, politics or anywhere people booed when they saw rubbish, politicians were booed when they spouted crap! Today, if you boo a politician you will get arrested under the terrorism act. We need more booing not less. You are a conformist, you like control, regulations and PC, you don't like or can't handle change, neither do you like free speech and individual freedoms, thanks to people like you the government has or intends to make just about everything into something illegal. Governments get their power and control from people like you that’s to say people who like order, regulations and men in dark uniforms with guns and Tasers whilst confronting unarmed citizens. You need to embrace individuality and freedoms of opinions not make judgments on them and you play the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes right or wrong which is what your whole rant is about. Yours is by far the most negative post on this board, paradoxically you accuse almost everybody of negativity, what also comes across is your lack of intelligence and a decent IQ! The reason you call it ‘garbage’ is because; it is beyond the realms of your comprehension, given the small world in which you live, where did you get your worldly wisdom you espouse? You intend to impose your moral judgments on the rest of us like a mini dictator you are in the final analysis a total hypocrite![/p][/quote]This is pure brilliance Hornet Cornet

10:55pm Sat 30 Nov 13

culpepper says...

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10:56pm Sat 30 Nov 13

CARDIFFHORN says...

Dino1982 wrote:
I not sure as I lost count, but how many corners did Watford have???!!!!

Must been close to 20.

It was the same thing for each of them. I don't think we got one header on target or shot from any of them!.

Why do the same thing on each corner or free kick?

Surly try something different or they must try something in training!

That was the most frustrating thing for me.

I think although it was a bad result, sometimes these things happen and you get some bad luck with injuries and stuff. you get a bad run and its hard to get out of that.

I think it doesn't help when fans get upset and boo before half time and at the end.

It doesn't help to get worked up and straight after being upset come on here and have a go.

Lets just get back down the ground the next home game and get behind the side!

We will get it right!!!

WE WILL BE BACK!!!!!
Totally agree with the dead ball situations, they were totally wasted today. Last year we varied corners hitting Cassetti on the near post flick, where has this gone?
[quote][p][bold]Dino1982[/bold] wrote: I not sure as I lost count, but how many corners did Watford have???!!!! Must been close to 20. It was the same thing for each of them. I don't think we got one header on target or shot from any of them!. Why do the same thing on each corner or free kick? Surly try something different or they must try something in training! That was the most frustrating thing for me. I think although it was a bad result, sometimes these things happen and you get some bad luck with injuries and stuff. you get a bad run and its hard to get out of that. I think it doesn't help when fans get upset and boo before half time and at the end. It doesn't help to get worked up and straight after being upset come on here and have a go. Lets just get back down the ground the next home game and get behind the side! We will get it right!!! WE WILL BE BACK!!!!![/p][/quote]Totally agree with the dead ball situations, they were totally wasted today. Last year we varied corners hitting Cassetti on the near post flick, where has this gone? CARDIFFHORN

11:08pm Sat 30 Nov 13

CARDIFFHORN says...

My overriding thought about today was unless Sean Murray was injured why was he taken off, that did not make sense!!
My overriding thought about today was unless Sean Murray was injured why was he taken off, that did not make sense!! CARDIFFHORN

11:18pm Sat 30 Nov 13

culpepper says...

I think most of us will agree there are two sides of the coin here, on the one hand we have owners who are looking to build a successful club on and off the pitch and we are very lucky. We have had the best football over the last year or so to watch at Vicarage Road for a generation. We have some very talented footballers who we are lucky to have as well, but there is something that does not seem right, apart from the obvious score line.

Just a few things I saw today.

1- these out swinging corners from the right today by Mcgugan and last week by mceachran posed absolutely no threat
2- We are giving away goals for fun right now. The strange pass from Joel to Pudil and the poor tackle by the swede gifted Yeovil their second.
3- I think Joel is a talented player but right now his confidence is shot, you could see it last week and agin today. but is one size ready?
4- Great to see Nyron back and understand the caution with his performance but he didn't deserve to be subbed again.
5- the body language. With ten minutes to go in a stoppage I looked at the outfield players, not one player talking, just lots of teapots standing and looking at the grass, that was really disappointing to see. Right now we have no natural leaders anywhere on the pitch.
6- Passing. for the first 40 minutes it was better than last week and the tempo was quicker, but we should have been 1-0 up, why didn't Fessi pass in after a great run with troy unmarked. The second half, once again we looked like last week with FF, Javier and Diego all over the place while delivering nothing of any quality.
7- yes ultimately the buck stops with the management, but the players need to have a real long look at their mistakes. I would expect pros at this level to learn from them fairly quickly but this is not happening.

While we are lucky to have such great owners, a wonderful model and exciting project, it is all relative.
We haven't lost 4 home games in a row since the 92-93 season, I remember one of them, a 4-0 loss to Swindon being particularly awful, though they were one of the best teams that year. So in relative terms that puts this run in perspective and that team was terrible.
I am inclined to think that two away games next week would normally help the team, but Dyche and Dirty Leeds might have a say in that.
Personally I would like to see how GFZ can motivate his players before next sat evening before the Pozzos make their next big decision on their project.
I think most of us will agree there are two sides of the coin here, on the one hand we have owners who are looking to build a successful club on and off the pitch and we are very lucky. We have had the best football over the last year or so to watch at Vicarage Road for a generation. We have some very talented footballers who we are lucky to have as well, but there is something that does not seem right, apart from the obvious score line. Just a few things I saw today. 1- these out swinging corners from the right today by Mcgugan and last week by mceachran posed absolutely no threat 2- We are giving away goals for fun right now. The strange pass from Joel to Pudil and the poor tackle by the swede gifted Yeovil their second. 3- I think Joel is a talented player but right now his confidence is shot, you could see it last week and agin today. but is one size ready? 4- Great to see Nyron back and understand the caution with his performance but he didn't deserve to be subbed again. 5- the body language. With ten minutes to go in a stoppage I looked at the outfield players, not one player talking, just lots of teapots standing and looking at the grass, that was really disappointing to see. Right now we have no natural leaders anywhere on the pitch. 6- Passing. for the first 40 minutes it was better than last week and the tempo was quicker, but we should have been 1-0 up, why didn't Fessi pass in after a great run with troy unmarked. The second half, once again we looked like last week with FF, Javier and Diego all over the place while delivering nothing of any quality. 7- yes ultimately the buck stops with the management, but the players need to have a real long look at their mistakes. I would expect pros at this level to learn from them fairly quickly but this is not happening. While we are lucky to have such great owners, a wonderful model and exciting project, it is all relative. We haven't lost 4 home games in a row since the 92-93 season, I remember one of them, a 4-0 loss to Swindon being particularly awful, though they were one of the best teams that year. So in relative terms that puts this run in perspective and that team was terrible. I am inclined to think that two away games next week would normally help the team, but Dyche and Dirty Leeds might have a say in that. Personally I would like to see how GFZ can motivate his players before next sat evening before the Pozzos make their next big decision on their project. culpepper

11:23pm Sat 30 Nov 13

oxheypaul says...

It was a total and utter embarrassment. Yeovil spent the first 15 mins expecting to get a good hiding - and couldn't believe their luck when it didn't materialise.
It was a total and utter embarrassment. Yeovil spent the first 15 mins expecting to get a good hiding - and couldn't believe their luck when it didn't materialise. oxheypaul

11:38pm Sat 30 Nov 13

PozzoHornet says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
As paying customers of the club, it is people's right to express their dissatisfaction with the service being offered, especially in difficult economic times such as these. I sang with those who chanted 'this is embarrassing', because it was.

I'm sorry, but defending Zola as a good manager at this point is simply delusional. I have been very patient with him, but for me this was simply awful. Subbing our best defender and our best midfielder (that is, in terms of performance during the game) for two STRIKERS and then claiming it was supposed to be a 4-2-3-1 simply smacked of desperation on Zola's part, especially given it was only 10 mins into the second half.

Fabbrini simply can't beat a man like he could at the start of the season, and frankly, that was the only good facet of his play. His predictability on the ball is ridiculously infuriating and I genuinely believe that any competent, League 1 standard defender could defend against him. I hate to say it, but Forestieri is similar, although not as bad as Fabbrini. They both REALLY need to work on their weak foot, as both have, on numerous occasions this season, wasted chances by trying to cut onto their strong foot. This goes for Deeney and Acuna as well.

To those who chastise people for booing, your excuses largely being 'we're only 4 points off the play-offs' or 'we need to get behind the players', I say this: Malky Mackay once said 'never too high, never too low' and at the time I would have agreed with him. However at the time, we were a mid-table Championship side - nothing more, nothing less. As such, our expectations were in line with that. Now, things are different. We have seen the things we are capable of, and we know this side is capable of automatic promotion. Therefore, to say we are only four points off the play-offs is way below what our expectations were at the start of the season. We are MASSIVELY under-performing. And, given that Gianfranco, for all his niceties, doesn't seem able to motivate his players to perform for him, we, the supporters, shall be the bad guy; we'll 'get behind the players' like you ask, and give them the boot up the backside they don't seem to be getting from the management when they put in a crap performance like that of today. The players have their carrot - promotion. The problem is, they don't have a stick. We must assume that position in the absence of anyone else.
So the answer is boo the players and chant this is embarrassing...the kick up the backside the players deserve and all will be OK. Didn't work today did it!!. Any other well thought out suggestions.
Passively letting these results go by without a whisper from the crowd won't help in any way. At least if we make some noise we let the players know exactly what we think and if they have any self-respect in them (who knows, maybe even a little bit of loyalty to the club) they will react and prove us wrong. If we don't make a sound, the players won't have anything to react to. Frankly, I think many of them are happy enough to just sit around and pick up a pay cheque.
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: As paying customers of the club, it is people's right to express their dissatisfaction with the service being offered, especially in difficult economic times such as these. I sang with those who chanted 'this is embarrassing', because it was. I'm sorry, but defending Zola as a good manager at this point is simply delusional. I have been very patient with him, but for me this was simply awful. Subbing our best defender and our best midfielder (that is, in terms of performance during the game) for two STRIKERS and then claiming it was supposed to be a 4-2-3-1 simply smacked of desperation on Zola's part, especially given it was only 10 mins into the second half. Fabbrini simply can't beat a man like he could at the start of the season, and frankly, that was the only good facet of his play. His predictability on the ball is ridiculously infuriating and I genuinely believe that any competent, League 1 standard defender could defend against him. I hate to say it, but Forestieri is similar, although not as bad as Fabbrini. They both REALLY need to work on their weak foot, as both have, on numerous occasions this season, wasted chances by trying to cut onto their strong foot. This goes for Deeney and Acuna as well. To those who chastise people for booing, your excuses largely being 'we're only 4 points off the play-offs' or 'we need to get behind the players', I say this: Malky Mackay once said 'never too high, never too low' and at the time I would have agreed with him. However at the time, we were a mid-table Championship side - nothing more, nothing less. As such, our expectations were in line with that. Now, things are different. We have seen the things we are capable of, and we know this side is capable of automatic promotion. Therefore, to say we are only four points off the play-offs is way below what our expectations were at the start of the season. We are MASSIVELY under-performing. And, given that Gianfranco, for all his niceties, doesn't seem able to motivate his players to perform for him, we, the supporters, shall be the bad guy; we'll 'get behind the players' like you ask, and give them the boot up the backside they don't seem to be getting from the management when they put in a crap performance like that of today. The players have their carrot - promotion. The problem is, they don't have a stick. We must assume that position in the absence of anyone else.[/p][/quote]So the answer is boo the players and chant this is embarrassing...the kick up the backside the players deserve and all will be OK. Didn't work today did it!!. Any other well thought out suggestions.[/p][/quote]Passively letting these results go by without a whisper from the crowd won't help in any way. At least if we make some noise we let the players know exactly what we think and if they have any self-respect in them (who knows, maybe even a little bit of loyalty to the club) they will react and prove us wrong. If we don't make a sound, the players won't have anything to react to. Frankly, I think many of them are happy enough to just sit around and pick up a pay cheque. PozzoHornet

1:36am Sun 1 Dec 13

gazmondo says...

i like zola,the problem is he keeps making loads of changes for each game,it affects teams if you do that all the time,when he did it last season making 6 changes we ended up losing,if the players cant play 2 games on the trott get players who can as its costing us all these changes,if players are injurerd or suspended then you change otherwise play the strongest team each week.not chop and change each game it unsettles the team.
i like zola,the problem is he keeps making loads of changes for each game,it affects teams if you do that all the time,when he did it last season making 6 changes we ended up losing,if the players cant play 2 games on the trott get players who can as its costing us all these changes,if players are injurerd or suspended then you change otherwise play the strongest team each week.not chop and change each game it unsettles the team. gazmondo

1:58am Sun 1 Dec 13

vydra80 says...

Bring Corradini back.
He knows what to do
Bring Corradini back. He knows what to do vydra80

7:55am Sun 1 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager.

I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go.

Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics.

ZOLA OUT
Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season.
It was time of the month. I go all hormonal
HC, you've always been a jerk on this forum but now you've just proved it. Please man, go take a hike, will you?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager. I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go. Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics. ZOLA OUT[/p][/quote]Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season.[/p][/quote]It was time of the month. I go all hormonal[/p][/quote]HC, you've always been a jerk on this forum but now you've just proved it. Please man, go take a hike, will you? SAHornet

9:20am Sun 1 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

oxheypaul wrote:
It was a total and utter embarrassment. Yeovil spent the first 15 mins expecting to get a good hiding - and couldn't believe their luck when it didn't materialise.
Yup - we start every game so slowly and passively and let the opposition feel their way into the game
[quote][p][bold]oxheypaul[/bold] wrote: It was a total and utter embarrassment. Yeovil spent the first 15 mins expecting to get a good hiding - and couldn't believe their luck when it didn't materialise.[/p][/quote]Yup - we start every game so slowly and passively and let the opposition feel their way into the game onion8837

10:45am Sun 1 Dec 13

hornbob says...

Can we all calm down. We have no-where near a full team at the moment.
What we have is class players not jelling at the moment.
Why on earth go for the manager. Everyone wants to win win win.
We are the supporters of a great Watford team.
We go to home and away matches and watch our boy's win lose and draw.
Ok , sometimes we should do better Sometimes were awesome
Were not ready for the big time. Who said we are.
Expectations. That's all.
Get behind this team. Get behind Zola.
I can't make you all sing your hearts out but give us all supporters a break. 11,000 supporters singing and encouraging a team will get results and the players will respond to that.
Harry, your wasting your time banging that bloody drum in my ear. Now that does **** me off.
Watering the pitch at half time in freezing conditions don't make sense at all.
How many times did we see players slipping over. From both sides. CRAZY !
Good luck Zola and the boy's Tuesday. YOU ORN'S
Can we all calm down. We have no-where near a full team at the moment. What we have is class players not jelling at the moment. Why on earth go for the manager. Everyone wants to win win win. We are the supporters of a great Watford team. We go to home and away matches and watch our boy's win lose and draw. Ok , sometimes we should do better Sometimes were awesome Were not ready for the big time. Who said we are. Expectations. That's all. Get behind this team. Get behind Zola. I can't make you all sing your hearts out but give us all supporters a break. 11,000 supporters singing and encouraging a team will get results and the players will respond to that. Harry, your wasting your time banging that bloody drum in my ear. Now that does **** me off. Watering the pitch at half time in freezing conditions don't make sense at all. How many times did we see players slipping over. From both sides. CRAZY ! Good luck Zola and the boy's Tuesday. YOU ORN'S hornbob

11:11am Sun 1 Dec 13

JohnnyHornet says...

GoldenManc wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
Id have in this order..

Glenn Hoddle
Jamie Carragher
Gary Neville

Hoddle would make this team great
Can't stand these tw4ts on Sky, bl00dy sure I don't want them at my club.
I'm sure they will go for an Italian manager (or a manager who has managed in Italy) that they know - if they choose to sack Zola.
Sacking Zola and going down the same road by appointing another Italian without Championship experience is foolhardy, I have said it for the last 6 months Zola lack a solid English right hand man, yes thumb me down but in the mould / example of Colin or Hollowhead, both extremely successful Championship managers / coaches. ( Note I use them as examples the jury would be out on the individuals mentioned but hopefully you get my drift )
[quote][p][bold]GoldenManc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Id have in this order.. Glenn Hoddle Jamie Carragher Gary Neville Hoddle would make this team great[/p][/quote]Can't stand these tw4ts on Sky, bl00dy sure I don't want them at my club.[/p][/quote]I'm sure they will go for an Italian manager (or a manager who has managed in Italy) that they know - if they choose to sack Zola.[/p][/quote]Sacking Zola and going down the same road by appointing another Italian without Championship experience is foolhardy, I have said it for the last 6 months Zola lack a solid English right hand man, yes thumb me down but in the mould / example of Colin or Hollowhead, both extremely successful Championship managers / coaches. ( Note I use them as examples the jury would be out on the individuals mentioned but hopefully you get my drift ) JohnnyHornet

11:46am Sun 1 Dec 13

Cuetip says...

Loyalty is not only for the good times but is most valued in the lean times especially in the Yeovil game when lady luck was not our side.

I do believe that that Zola and the team are working hard in a tough physical league.

We must continue to work hard and make lady luck will come to us.
Loyalty is not only for the good times but is most valued in the lean times especially in the Yeovil game when lady luck was not our side. I do believe that that Zola and the team are working hard in a tough physical league. We must continue to work hard and make lady luck will come to us. Cuetip

11:52am Sun 1 Dec 13

rousman 2 says...

The fat lady is warming up.
The fat lady is warming up. rousman 2

12:15pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Victory Yellow says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
I was going to say I cant believe what a bunch of tarts some of our supporters are but I can believe it judging by the passionless muppets who sit there making no noise other than booing. The comments on this thread just show what a bunch of tarts some of our support are.
Until Watford supporters are as good as Teams like Portsmouth, they will always be lacking.
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: I was going to say I cant believe what a bunch of tarts some of our supporters are but I can believe it judging by the passionless muppets who sit there making no noise other than booing. The comments on this thread just show what a bunch of tarts some of our support are.[/p][/quote]Until Watford supporters are as good as Teams like Portsmouth, they will always be lacking. Victory Yellow

12:17pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Victory Yellow says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
I was going to say I cant believe what a bunch of tarts some of our supporters are but I can believe it judging by the passionless muppets who sit there making no noise other than booing. The comments on this thread just show what a bunch of tarts some of our support are.
Until our support is as good as teams like Portsmouth, then we will always be lacking in commitment and passion.
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: I was going to say I cant believe what a bunch of tarts some of our supporters are but I can believe it judging by the passionless muppets who sit there making no noise other than booing. The comments on this thread just show what a bunch of tarts some of our support are.[/p][/quote]Until our support is as good as teams like Portsmouth, then we will always be lacking in commitment and passion. Victory Yellow

1:05pm Sun 1 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
coldplay wrote:
The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!!
What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help.
I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.
Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad!

There is:

Expectancy
Followed by Reality
Followed by 'False Hope'
Followed by Denial
Followed by Delusion

You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami!
Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact.
Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.
Pity you don't understand!

You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you.

To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war!

or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister:

Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport!
Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you?
Yours is a rant across the whole spectrum of Watford and its supporters, where did you get the authority to make judgments on so many elements about what constitutes disgraceful and all your other moans?

Booing is a great tool it is part of English Heritage, for centuries in the theatre, sport, politics or anywhere people booed when they saw rubbish, politicians were booed when they spouted crap!

Today, if you boo a politician you will get arrested under the terrorism act.
We need more booing not less. You are a conformist, you like control, regulations and PC, you don't like or can't handle change, neither do you like free speech and individual freedoms, thanks to people like you the government has or intends to make just about everything into something illegal.

Governments get their power and control from people like you that’s to say people who like order, regulations and men in dark uniforms with guns and Tasers whilst confronting unarmed citizens.

You need to embrace individuality and freedoms of opinions not make judgments on them and you play the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes right or wrong which is what your whole rant is about.

Yours is by far the most negative post on this board, paradoxically you accuse almost everybody of negativity, what also comes across is your lack of intelligence and a decent IQ!

The reason you call it ‘garbage’ is because; it is beyond the realms of your comprehension, given the small world in which you live, where did you get your worldly wisdom you espouse?

You intend to impose your moral judgments on the rest of us like a mini dictator you are in the final analysis a total hypocrite!
Rog calm down mate. Men in dark uniforms, tasers, arrested under the terrorism act, lack of intelligence and a decent IQ, the small world in which you live, the Iraqi Foreign Minister and finally mini dictator and total hyprocrite...what are you on mate!!!. Coldplay only said booing your team creates a negative vibe which is true. Did that really set you off or is there something else bothering you. Can I suggest that you get back to your Encyclopedia Britanica and enjoy yourself. Don't listen to those voices floating around - ignore them and they will go away.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldplay[/bold] wrote: The blame game begins...with so many experts who know the game inside out having their say...some objective and others simply pitiful. Blaming the ineptitude of the manager, changing the assistant coach, the performance of individual players, the lack of passion, not enough English backbone in the side and too much passing and not enough lumping it forward are just a few nuggets offered by the bloke who sits behind me in the Rookery. My grandson asked me why does that man go to football because all he does is moan and he's never nice about anyone!!!! What is clear and factual today was the impact on the players of the disgraceful booing and negative chanting of a considerable number of those at the game...I won't call them supporters because the dictionary definition of supporter is; an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate. It was clear that the atmosphere today had a big impact on the team and I am unaware of any individual or team that can deliver in a climate of negativity. I don't believe any player wakes up in the morning and decides to have a bad game so when it's not going well positive support will always help. I have, like a lot of you posters on here, seen some old tosh over the years, but todays performance would get nowhere near my top ten. We have seriously mismanaged our expectations of this team and so many supporters are expecting the perfect performance both from individuals and the team every week. Maybe GFZs days are numbered but let's not forget he has introduced a style of football that we thought we would never witness at the Vic. Whatever happens everyone needs to get behind the boys and support the team....negativity eats away at confidence and creates an atmosphere of limiting beliefs, not exactly the foundations of a winning and successful team.[/p][/quote]Normally, I would agree with you but not on this occasion! The worst run of defeats in 20 years, furthermore when was the last time Watford lost at home to the bottom side in a league 3 – 0? I am guessing probably never! These are not numbers you want on your CV especially with a talented squad! There is: Expectancy Followed by Reality Followed by 'False Hope' Followed by Denial Followed by Delusion You may want to fit into this criteria but there is a hell of a lot of fans who don't want to, you cannot criticize fans for this it's not a Blip ' it’s an approaching Bloody great Tsunami![/p][/quote]Not sure I understand your point...my point was about supporting your team and not booing/negative chanting because it creates a poor atmosphere for the players to perform...fact. Your pearls of wisdom are interesting but nothing to do with the point I was making.[/p][/quote]Pity you don't understand! You Sir are deluded and you expect everyone to be in the same 'mind set' as you. To help you understand a little better I will refer you back to the TV appearances of Iraqui information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf who no matter how bad the war was going was telling everybody on TV " Iraq is winning the war! or in your case case Watford are doing great and will be in the premier league next season because our great leader l Zola is winning the football war of the championship! here's a little more info on the Iraqui Info minister: Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.): "After the information minister claimed that Iraqi forces had retaken the Baghdad airport from U.S. troops, two former commanders said, Republican Guard Gen. Mohammed Daash was dispatched to check out a rumor that four or five American tanks had survived the Iraqi counterattack. Daash returned to his headquarters in a panic. "Four or five tanks!'' the commanders quoted Daash as telling his fellow generals. "Are you out of your minds? The whole **** American Army is at the airport![/p][/quote]Blimey are you OK....do you have someone to talk to. Accusing someone of being deluded is insulting and I don't mean to be anything other than polite and reasonable but have you actually read my original post. I did not refer to 'Watford doing great and being in the Premier League because of our great leader'...where you got that from is beyond me...my post was about booing and negative chanting impacting on the atmosphere and ultimately the performance of the players. I tried to be measured and honest with my opinion and for the life of me just cannot understand what has stirred you in to the garbage you have posted...I'm just relieved you don't know where I live...or do you?[/p][/quote]Yours is a rant across the whole spectrum of Watford and its supporters, where did you get the authority to make judgments on so many elements about what constitutes disgraceful and all your other moans? Booing is a great tool it is part of English Heritage, for centuries in the theatre, sport, politics or anywhere people booed when they saw rubbish, politicians were booed when they spouted crap! Today, if you boo a politician you will get arrested under the terrorism act. We need more booing not less. You are a conformist, you like control, regulations and PC, you don't like or can't handle change, neither do you like free speech and individual freedoms, thanks to people like you the government has or intends to make just about everything into something illegal. Governments get their power and control from people like you that’s to say people who like order, regulations and men in dark uniforms with guns and Tasers whilst confronting unarmed citizens. You need to embrace individuality and freedoms of opinions not make judgments on them and you play the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes right or wrong which is what your whole rant is about. Yours is by far the most negative post on this board, paradoxically you accuse almost everybody of negativity, what also comes across is your lack of intelligence and a decent IQ! The reason you call it ‘garbage’ is because; it is beyond the realms of your comprehension, given the small world in which you live, where did you get your worldly wisdom you espouse? You intend to impose your moral judgments on the rest of us like a mini dictator you are in the final analysis a total hypocrite![/p][/quote]Rog calm down mate. Men in dark uniforms, tasers, arrested under the terrorism act, lack of intelligence and a decent IQ, the small world in which you live, the Iraqi Foreign Minister and finally mini dictator and total hyprocrite...what are you on mate!!!. Coldplay only said booing your team creates a negative vibe which is true. Did that really set you off or is there something else bothering you. Can I suggest that you get back to your Encyclopedia Britanica and enjoy yourself. Don't listen to those voices floating around - ignore them and they will go away. anywayasiwasaying

1:21pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Boosey says...

I quoted last week saying, our football in the first half was on par with last season, now I am sure the coaching staff could see the same and we had the opportunity this week to go with the same line up but as i quoted McGugan and Deeney would be re instated but on past performances why?
The captain for the day was Deeney, there was nothing in his performance to suggest he was the captain, non inspiring to say the least.
Why keep changing it? Feel for Battochio.
Also Zola asked for the crowd to lift the team, which the 1881 singing group obliged until we were 3-0 down, surely they are entitled to sing this is embarrassing?
I quoted last week saying, our football in the first half was on par with last season, now I am sure the coaching staff could see the same and we had the opportunity this week to go with the same line up but as i quoted McGugan and Deeney would be re instated but on past performances why? The captain for the day was Deeney, there was nothing in his performance to suggest he was the captain, non inspiring to say the least. Why keep changing it? Feel for Battochio. Also Zola asked for the crowd to lift the team, which the 1881 singing group obliged until we were 3-0 down, surely they are entitled to sing this is embarrassing? Boosey

2:56pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager.

I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go.

Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics.

ZOLA OUT
Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season.
It was time of the month. I go all hormonal
HC, you've always been a jerk on this forum but now you've just proved it. Please man, go take a hike, will you?
One minute, 6 weeks ago we got beaten by Derby at home... someone on here is telling porkies.

I'll tell you what, to make the clappers happy, I shall conform. Keep Zola, keep the same players, we're not in a crisis, we're playing great football and GZ is a fantastic manager that'll come good.

Tripe
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager. I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go. Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics. ZOLA OUT[/p][/quote]Only 5 or 6 weeks ago, you wrote a post saying you wanted to spawn Zolas babies so don't start trying to tell everyone you've been calling for Zolas head since the first week of the season.[/p][/quote]It was time of the month. I go all hormonal[/p][/quote]HC, you've always been a jerk on this forum but now you've just proved it. Please man, go take a hike, will you?[/p][/quote]One minute, 6 weeks ago we got beaten by Derby at home... someone on here is telling porkies. I'll tell you what, to make the clappers happy, I shall conform. Keep Zola, keep the same players, we're not in a crisis, we're playing great football and GZ is a fantastic manager that'll come good. Tripe Hornet Cornet

3:14pm Sun 1 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

When will these Watford supporters understand that Zola is not in charge.. Nani is the man in charge.. Zola has to mold Nanis players.. These players are NOT Zolas players.. Nani MUST go.. Why did Zolas assistant from last season leave?? Ask yourself why.. Or more the point ask Nani why.. I fear because he was NOT a yes man..
When will these Watford supporters understand that Zola is not in charge.. Nani is the man in charge.. Zola has to mold Nanis players.. These players are NOT Zolas players.. Nani MUST go.. Why did Zolas assistant from last season leave?? Ask yourself why.. Or more the point ask Nani why.. I fear because he was NOT a yes man.. watford1881

3:47pm Sun 1 Dec 13

neil-bs says...

Feff wrote:
We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!!
We didn't get promoted last season because we didn't collect the points against Charlton and Bristol City. Zola displayed his weaknesses in those 2 games and in principle it has been downhill since.
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!![/p][/quote]We didn't get promoted last season because we didn't collect the points against Charlton and Bristol City. Zola displayed his weaknesses in those 2 games and in principle it has been downhill since. neil-bs

4:20pm Sun 1 Dec 13

neil-bs says...

SAHornet wrote:
Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.
The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?!
Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been.
That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?! Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been. That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens. neil-bs

5:32pm Sun 1 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

neil-bs wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.
The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?!
Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been.
That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens.
You are completely clueless if you think Dyche Is a better manager than Zola.
GFZ is making a lot of mistakes at present and made a rod for his own back by continually changing the team at the start of the season when we actually looked like a force to be reckoned with. Now we have all the injuries he is really clutching at straws to find his best team/formation. If what we are being told is true that Deeney and FF dont get on at all then that really Pi22es me off and they both need their heads knocking together.They should be putting the team first before their own egos, like Sheringham and Cole did for UTD.
I am afraid at present Fessi is best as an impact player as his Goal record is very poor and Deeney if his head has been turned really needs to take a long hard look at himself in the mirror and remember where is bread is buttered. Give Gianfranco at least until January and then if there is still no improvement lets get RDM in and start a fresh.
[quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?! Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been. That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens.[/p][/quote]You are completely clueless if you think Dyche Is a better manager than Zola. GFZ is making a lot of mistakes at present and made a rod for his own back by continually changing the team at the start of the season when we actually looked like a force to be reckoned with. Now we have all the injuries he is really clutching at straws to find his best team/formation. If what we are being told is true that Deeney and FF dont get on at all then that really Pi22es me off and they both need their heads knocking together.They should be putting the team first before their own egos, like Sheringham and Cole did for UTD. I am afraid at present Fessi is best as an impact player as his Goal record is very poor and Deeney if his head has been turned really needs to take a long hard look at himself in the mirror and remember where is bread is buttered. Give Gianfranco at least until January and then if there is still no improvement lets get RDM in and start a fresh. KeithMercer

5:56pm Sun 1 Dec 13

longcliffe says...

Your team are not as good as you think they are.
Just because you lost in the play-off final you assume you will win the championship.
And now you are 15 points behind Leicester.
Your team are not as good as you think they are. Just because you lost in the play-off final you assume you will win the championship. And now you are 15 points behind Leicester. longcliffe

6:16pm Sun 1 Dec 13

northofwatfordpete says...

jasonwatford wrote:
For those of you that don't know this has been going on since pre season , Troy started trouble in the camp and him and foresteiri do not talk or like eachother , Fabbrinni also had a run in with deeney and this divided the team. Zola told them to get on with eachother but this has not worked out and zola don't have the balls to stand up to Deeney.
I suspect that all is not well. Deeney at Boro spent a good part of the game in dispute with our defence and midfield.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: For those of you that don't know this has been going on since pre season , Troy started trouble in the camp and him and foresteiri do not talk or like eachother , Fabbrinni also had a run in with deeney and this divided the team. Zola told them to get on with eachother but this has not worked out and zola don't have the balls to stand up to Deeney.[/p][/quote]I suspect that all is not well. Deeney at Boro spent a good part of the game in dispute with our defence and midfield. northofwatfordpete

9:50am Mon 2 Dec 13

ForzaWatford says...

londomollari wrote:
demerit wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
You people call yourselves supporters?

You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted?

As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here.

At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second.

if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today.

I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key.

As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments.

Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for!

ZOLA IN!

(Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)
Well said mate
I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.
Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing.
Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong.
My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence.
Something is very wrong.
Angella is a guaranteed starter, he is injured at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: You people call yourselves supporters? You are the same people who were chastising Holloway and saying how he is the worst manager in the world a couple of months ago, now you're saying he would get us promoted? As embarrassing as the result was today, the support was worse, at the ground and on here. At the end of the day, Yeovil didn't deserve anything from that game, we played well in the first half and still were the better team in the second. if it wasn't for some defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good yeovil blocking we would've trounced them today. I'm as worried as the rest of you but the answer is 100% NOT getting rid of Zola, a change of coaches would definitely help him though, some experience is key. As for the squad, we still don't have a best XI, come January I expect a lot of business with many ins and outs in all departments. Those who want Zola out are morons, be careful what you wish for! ZOLA IN! (Side note, Vydra didn't even get in the bench for WBA today...)[/p][/quote]Well said mate[/p][/quote]I suggest that you two deluded souls get together so that you keep this drivel off here.[/p][/quote]Get real, here. To defensive mistakes, poor refereeing and good Yeovil blocking, lets add a complete inability to break down the defense of the leagues bottom team and tendancy to over-elaborate and slow passing. Oh, and despite Yeovil 'not deserving anything' from the game (just like you, or someone similar said last after the Bolton game) we lost 3-0. Oh, we lost the last 3 home games, too. Yes, the answer may not be removing Zola---but there is, quite obviously, something seriously wrong. My Udinese supporting aquaintances in Italy spoke to me tonight. They just cannot believe that a team with Fessi, Battochio and Angella can be so poor. They can't believe that Battochio is not a regular, they can't believe that Angella is not a lynchpin of a solid defence. Something is very wrong.[/p][/quote]Angella is a guaranteed starter, he is injured at the moment. ForzaWatford

12:44pm Mon 2 Dec 13

abbotshornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
For those of you that don't know this has been going on since pre season , Troy started trouble in the camp and him and foresteiri do not talk or like eachother , Fabbrinni also had a run in with deeney and this divided the team. Zola told them to get on with eachother but this has not worked out and zola don't have the balls to stand up to Deeney.
If the problem is with Deeney and player power why does Zola not want to get another a striker or three to replace him?
We had nearly 30 attempts on goal Saturday, 3 times as many as Yeovil.
Most of our attempts were blocked, I don't remember our players throwing themselves at the ball to block their shots.
Something is clearly wrong with our team at the moment, we had made a better start than we did last season but things have been going downhill for a few months. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but the most glaring difference on the pitch compared to last season is the lack of striking options. We have a few young strikers who should be getting a run out because the current set-up is not working.
Things need to improve quickly if we are not going to plunge down the table and get embroiled in a relegation fight, I believe Zola should be given a little more time, but if the owners have someone else waiting in the wings then we cannot afford to wait too long. COYGB's
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: For those of you that don't know this has been going on since pre season , Troy started trouble in the camp and him and foresteiri do not talk or like eachother , Fabbrinni also had a run in with deeney and this divided the team. Zola told them to get on with eachother but this has not worked out and zola don't have the balls to stand up to Deeney.[/p][/quote]If the problem is with Deeney and player power why does Zola not want to get another a striker or three to replace him? We had nearly 30 attempts on goal Saturday, 3 times as many as Yeovil. Most of our attempts were blocked, I don't remember our players throwing themselves at the ball to block their shots. Something is clearly wrong with our team at the moment, we had made a better start than we did last season but things have been going downhill for a few months. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but the most glaring difference on the pitch compared to last season is the lack of striking options. We have a few young strikers who should be getting a run out because the current set-up is not working. Things need to improve quickly if we are not going to plunge down the table and get embroiled in a relegation fight, I believe Zola should be given a little more time, but if the owners have someone else waiting in the wings then we cannot afford to wait too long. COYGB's abbotshornet

3:24pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Nick El Greco says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager.

I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go.

Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics.

ZOLA OUT
you also said in 2012 about Troy Deeney "they should have sacked this grade A thug as soon as he was convicted. what next, wife beating? what else is this animal capable of? sack him and chop his feet off.". Si havence3 then i have found it difficult to take anything you say seriously
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager. I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go. Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics. ZOLA OUT[/p][/quote]you also said in 2012 about Troy Deeney "they should have sacked this grade A thug as soon as he was convicted. what next, wife beating? what else is this animal capable of? sack him and chop his feet off.". Si havence3 then i have found it difficult to take anything you say seriously Nick El Greco

4:22pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager.

I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go.

Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics.

ZOLA OUT
you also said in 2012 about Troy Deeney "they should have sacked this grade A thug as soon as he was convicted. what next, wife beating? what else is this animal capable of? sack him and chop his feet off.". Si havence3 then i have found it difficult to take anything you say seriously
It's amazing what you read when you look back at old articles. There's someone else that contributed recently who wrote a withering condemnation of posters who questioned Bassini's motives when he took over.
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Many of us have said this since the first week or the season but Zola has to go. I don't give a flying squirrel how many points outside the play-off area we are, I don't give a monkeys how we did last season, and I don't care if the happy clappers amongst you continue to back the manager. I've said this for a long while now and will continue to do so. ZOLA HAS TO GO. We are 2-0 down at the moment and even if we win the game, he has to go. Devoid of ideas, devoid of motivation, devoid of inspiration and devoid of any managerial tactics. ZOLA OUT[/p][/quote]you also said in 2012 about Troy Deeney "they should have sacked this grade A thug as soon as he was convicted. what next, wife beating? what else is this animal capable of? sack him and chop his feet off.". Si havence3 then i have found it difficult to take anything you say seriously[/p][/quote]It's amazing what you read when you look back at old articles. There's someone else that contributed recently who wrote a withering condemnation of posters who questioned Bassini's motives when he took over. Harry's Bar

3:34pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Boosey says...

neil-bs wrote:
SAHornet wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.
The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?! Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been. That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens.
Lutondown and the others?
[quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?! Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been. That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens.[/p][/quote]Lutondown and the others? Boosey

4:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

lutondown says...

Boosey wrote:
neil-bs wrote:
SAHornet wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.
The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?! Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been. That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens.
Lutondown and the others?
Another keyboard warrior Neil bs ( bs for brave soul no doubt) glad Dyche went, hope Franco turns it around, hope you go take a running jump. You small appendage
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Give GZ another couple of months at least. If he went, do you really think his replacement would be strong enough to argue against the football and business model of The Pozzo's. They enforce players on the manager and he is powerless to argue against it. A replacement would undoubtedly come from Italy and we would be starting all over again. Get behind GZ for while longer yet. We are bound for The Prem but just possibly not this season.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos also make mistakes, just as you do, and their biggest mistake was bringing Zola in as the manager in place of Dyche. You are one of those that wanted rid of Dyche. In your opinion Dyche simply wasn't good enough. What you need to admit is, you don't actually have a clue about football. Dyche is one of those managers who makes the best out of the players he has available and will go far in english football. You couldn't wait to get rid of him. Zola apparently is not able to develop players and consistently get the best out of them. Your opinion on Dyche was that he simply wasn't good enough for the wonderful Watford players that we were signing!?! Maybe you should decide to take a back seat together with Lutondown and the others. What a shower. We should be playing in the Premier this year and with Dyche I suspect we would have been. That is however in the past so lets hope we get a competent new manager as soon as possible, certainly before the transfer window opens.[/p][/quote]Lutondown and the others?[/p][/quote]Another keyboard warrior Neil bs ( bs for brave soul no doubt) glad Dyche went, hope Franco turns it around, hope you go take a running jump. You small appendage lutondown

4:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

lutondown says...

neil-bs wrote:
Feff wrote:
We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!!
We didn't get promoted last season because we didn't collect the points against Charlton and Bristol City. Zola displayed his weaknesses in those 2 games and in principle it has been downhill since.
And he was handed a squad of rubbish from Bas and Dyche, given the contents of the Tower of Babel to make into a team. We witnessed the best football ever seen at the Vic, ever. Yes he made mistakes but by and large it was a great season.
You obviously go to every game and know everything, whilst others know nothing.
You quote two games, but what about the others we didn't win? It's nonsensical. But then so are you. Neil bs, my back door.
[quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: We didn't get promotion last season because Holloway was too tactically wise for Zola. GFZ appears to be a nice guy but like many good or even great footballers he is not remotely tuned into football tactics. He failed at West Ham and, sadly, he has now failed with us. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho were not great footballers but are great coaches. We need a coach. Roberto di Matteo did well at Chelsea but I don't think he's right for Watford. We need a seasoned manager who has experience of the Championship. Zola must go. I don't know who would be the right replacement. Holloway!!!!![/p][/quote]We didn't get promoted last season because we didn't collect the points against Charlton and Bristol City. Zola displayed his weaknesses in those 2 games and in principle it has been downhill since.[/p][/quote]And he was handed a squad of rubbish from Bas and Dyche, given the contents of the Tower of Babel to make into a team. We witnessed the best football ever seen at the Vic, ever. Yes he made mistakes but by and large it was a great season. You obviously go to every game and know everything, whilst others know nothing. You quote two games, but what about the others we didn't win? It's nonsensical. But then so are you. Neil bs, my back door. lutondown

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