Watford boss Gianfranco Zola: I don't need the threat of being sacked to react

Picture: Holly Cant

Picture: Holly Cant

First published in Watford FC News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Deputy Group Sports Editor

Gianfranco Zola stressed he doesn’t need the threat of being sacked to work hard to turn things around at Watford after he was asked if his position was absolutely secure.

The Hornets have lost their last four home matches and not won in six games, which has resulted in the Golden Boys being 12 points away from the automatic promotion places.

When Zola was asked if his own position was “absolutely secure”, he replied: “This is a question you shouldn’t ask me. I can tell you I work with total honesty and of course this is a club that is ambitious but don’t ask me things that unfortunately I can’t answer.

“I am not happy. I am here to do more than this so I don’t know what the club will do but I am certainly not happy with the situation. But I don’t need the threat of being fired or sacked to push me to react or do something more. There is no need for that.”

Zola has this evening admitted Watford are in crisis. You can read those comments here.

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8:33pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

You weren't reacting earlier in this fine run when you said everything was fine, hence the threat of being sacked is forcing you to react.

You're a nice chap but out of your depth AGAIN.

You need to go

HC
You weren't reacting earlier in this fine run when you said everything was fine, hence the threat of being sacked is forcing you to react. You're a nice chap but out of your depth AGAIN. You need to go HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -51

8:38pm Sat 30 Nov 13

endean2 says...

JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE!

most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say
except.
-why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that
came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least.
lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet.

right off to shoot myself
JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE! most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say except. -why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least. lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet. right off to shoot myself endean2
  • Score: -19

8:55pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

First, forget rotation. Pick your best available team and stick with it--only change it if a better player returns from injury. It will, at least, start to give those players some confidence
Second, take a cold, hard look at your coaches and staff.
Third. Get nasty. If there IS any dressing room unrest, sort it out or remove the players involved. Whoever they are. If a player is not trying his best---drop him. If a youngster is available, consider giving him a game---he will, at least, bust a gut trying.
Fourth. Don't let other teams win the tactical battles. Change formation, change tactics, do something different. Go into a match in a way that other teams do NOT expect.
First, forget rotation. Pick your best available team and stick with it--only change it if a better player returns from injury. It will, at least, start to give those players some confidence Second, take a cold, hard look at your coaches and staff. Third. Get nasty. If there IS any dressing room unrest, sort it out or remove the players involved. Whoever they are. If a player is not trying his best---drop him. If a youngster is available, consider giving him a game---he will, at least, bust a gut trying. Fourth. Don't let other teams win the tactical battles. Change formation, change tactics, do something different. Go into a match in a way that other teams do NOT expect. londomollari
  • Score: 55

9:04pm Sat 30 Nov 13

jasonwatford says...

Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up
Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up jasonwatford
  • Score: 45

9:07pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up
Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks.

I must therefore not be allowed to speak.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up[/p][/quote]Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks. I must therefore not be allowed to speak. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -30

9:09pm Sat 30 Nov 13

PMJ1966 says...

endean2 wrote:
JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE!

most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say
except.
-why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that
came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least.
lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet.

right off to shoot myself
Miller - exactly! Why why why when we need a striker is someone like that gone to Yeovil when we get yet another midfielder. Maybe he is a bit of the same mould as Deeney and not the "Vydra" we crave but defo a bloke who is going to put pressure on Deeney to perform.
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE! most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say except. -why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least. lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet. right off to shoot myself[/p][/quote]Miller - exactly! Why why why when we need a striker is someone like that gone to Yeovil when we get yet another midfielder. Maybe he is a bit of the same mould as Deeney and not the "Vydra" we crave but defo a bloke who is going to put pressure on Deeney to perform. PMJ1966
  • Score: 19

9:10pm Sat 30 Nov 13

SCMW57 says...

GF needs support. Our owners are slowly stabilising our club OFF the pitch but they still have a long way to go (debt to be cleared ).
My view is they should invest in a British No 2 for GF - someone who understands what it takes to get out of this division - someone who has the war wounds.....any ideas?
AND we must get real and have realistic expectations....last season was a one off - don't expect the Premier League next year.
GF needs support. Our owners are slowly stabilising our club OFF the pitch but they still have a long way to go (debt to be cleared ). My view is they should invest in a British No 2 for GF - someone who understands what it takes to get out of this division - someone who has the war wounds.....any ideas? AND we must get real and have realistic expectations....last season was a one off - don't expect the Premier League next year. SCMW57
  • Score: 42

9:21pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Ramageland says...

There seems to a be a bit of sniping at Forestieri on here tonight - as far as I can see he is only one that consistently tries and actually looks like he wants the ball.

Unlike Fabbrini, who seems to just round around in circles and then fall over - all very entertaining but unlikely to get us out of our current plight!
There seems to a be a bit of sniping at Forestieri on here tonight - as far as I can see he is only one that consistently tries and actually looks like he wants the ball. Unlike Fabbrini, who seems to just round around in circles and then fall over - all very entertaining but unlikely to get us out of our current plight! Ramageland
  • Score: 38

9:27pm Sat 30 Nov 13

D.unstable says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up
Really? For somebody who doesn't go he likes to spin the negative.

Your opinion is worthless!!!
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up[/p][/quote]Really? For somebody who doesn't go he likes to spin the negative. Your opinion is worthless!!! D.unstable
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Sat 30 Nov 13

francowatford says...

Week in week out I say about how not very good fabbrinni is ans I get the thumps down....I even said try him on the wing as this should stop him from playing with his back to goal or twisting and losing the ball today I was proved right
Week in week out I say about how not very good fabbrinni is ans I get the thumps down....I even said try him on the wing as this should stop him from playing with his back to goal or twisting and losing the ball today I was proved right francowatford
  • Score: -10

9:40pm Sat 30 Nov 13

francowatford says...

also think these granada udinese players are not adjusting and have understated the league. I think the pozzos will not spend money but will send a better calibre of playerr
also think these granada udinese players are not adjusting and have understated the league. I think the pozzos will not spend money but will send a better calibre of playerr francowatford
  • Score: -10

9:43pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Ramageland says...

francowatford wrote:
Week in week out I say about how not very good fabbrinni is ans I get the thumps down....I even said try him on the wing as this should stop him from playing with his back to goal or twisting and losing the ball today I was proved right
Totally agree - would probably do quite well in a winning side brimming with confidence but in our situation, he just looks lightweight.
[quote][p][bold]francowatford[/bold] wrote: Week in week out I say about how not very good fabbrinni is ans I get the thumps down....I even said try him on the wing as this should stop him from playing with his back to goal or twisting and losing the ball today I was proved right[/p][/quote]Totally agree - would probably do quite well in a winning side brimming with confidence but in our situation, he just looks lightweight. Ramageland
  • Score: 4

9:44pm Sat 30 Nov 13

The Family Cat says...

6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what! The Family Cat
  • Score: 5

9:49pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Stoney77 says...

The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
Since I bought my replica shirt (Leicester game) , we've not scored at home.... It's either that or the Mo that I've been growing for Movember. One of these is the cause of our bad run. I'd like to offer my apologies to all.
[quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]Since I bought my replica shirt (Leicester game) , we've not scored at home.... It's either that or the Mo that I've been growing for Movember. One of these is the cause of our bad run. I'd like to offer my apologies to all. Stoney77
  • Score: 11

10:03pm Sat 30 Nov 13

younghornet says...

We haven't won since the 5TH OF OCTOBER pretty much sums it up
We haven't won since the 5TH OF OCTOBER pretty much sums it up younghornet
  • Score: 4

10:12pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

younghornet wrote:
We haven't won since the 5TH OF OCTOBER pretty much sums it up
watch out mate, you'll be getting negative comments from some folk on here for saying something that is factual but which many people won't want to hear

hc
[quote][p][bold]younghornet[/bold] wrote: We haven't won since the 5TH OF OCTOBER pretty much sums it up[/p][/quote]watch out mate, you'll be getting negative comments from some folk on here for saying something that is factual but which many people won't want to hear hc Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 4

10:16pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Man from Pinner says...

SCMW57 wrote:
GF needs support. Our owners are slowly stabilising our club OFF the pitch but they still have a long way to go (debt to be cleared ).
My view is they should invest in a British No 2 for GF - someone who understands what it takes to get out of this division - someone who has the war wounds.....any ideas?
AND we must get real and have realistic expectations....last season was a one off - don't expect the Premier League next year.
John Eustace as p[ayer coach!
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: GF needs support. Our owners are slowly stabilising our club OFF the pitch but they still have a long way to go (debt to be cleared ). My view is they should invest in a British No 2 for GF - someone who understands what it takes to get out of this division - someone who has the war wounds.....any ideas? AND we must get real and have realistic expectations....last season was a one off - don't expect the Premier League next year.[/p][/quote]John Eustace as p[ayer coach! Man from Pinner
  • Score: 8

10:16pm Sat 30 Nov 13

holtonian says...

I have faith in Gianfranco and believe he is by far a manager that will lead WFC far..He has been sadly let down by lack of form and also some shocking luck in front of goal The Pozzo family went to great length obtaining him and i feel they made a very shrewd choice. Keep the faith and things will turn...I am certain the players feel they have let the boss down, and as a real supporter will back him up...He cannot blow the ball in the net.Fair play to Yeovil they took the few chances they had whereas we had 5 times more chances yet lady luck bit us.
I have faith in Gianfranco and believe he is by far a manager that will lead WFC far..He has been sadly let down by lack of form and also some shocking luck in front of goal The Pozzo family went to great length obtaining him and i feel they made a very shrewd choice. Keep the faith and things will turn...I am certain the players feel they have let the boss down, and as a real supporter will back him up...He cannot blow the ball in the net.Fair play to Yeovil they took the few chances they had whereas we had 5 times more chances yet lady luck bit us. holtonian
  • Score: 30

10:21pm Sat 30 Nov 13

buck-stops says...

The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
[quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away. buck-stops
  • Score: 44

10:42pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.
Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions. Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: -32

10:51pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -25

10:53pm Sat 30 Nov 13

francowatford says...

francowatford wrote:
also think these granada udinese players are not adjusting and have understated the league. I think the pozzos will not spend money but will send a better calibre of playerr
Wait until Jan and them review this in Jan I will proof I was right
[quote][p][bold]francowatford[/bold] wrote: also think these granada udinese players are not adjusting and have understated the league. I think the pozzos will not spend money but will send a better calibre of playerr[/p][/quote]Wait until Jan and them review this in Jan I will proof I was right francowatford
  • Score: 6

10:56pm Sat 30 Nov 13

londomollari says...

holtonian wrote:
I have faith in Gianfranco and believe he is by far a manager that will lead WFC far..He has been sadly let down by lack of form and also some shocking luck in front of goal The Pozzo family went to great length obtaining him and i feel they made a very shrewd choice. Keep the faith and things will turn...I am certain the players feel they have let the boss down, and as a real supporter will back him up...He cannot blow the ball in the net.Fair play to Yeovil they took the few chances they had whereas we had 5 times more chances yet lady luck bit us.
As one of life's pessimists, I have to admire the determined 'light-through-the-c
louds' optimism. Some would say the bad form is a result of poor tactics and decision making---not something that 'just happened'. The shocking luck in front of goal? Some would say that a team makes it's own luck. And anyway, they have not made sufficient chances to have bad luck---at present Watford players couldn't, as the saying goes, hit a barn door with a banjo. And Watford's woeful defending can hardly be called bad luck. I'm afraid todays debacle can hardly be called bad luck
Still, I hope you prove to be right.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: I have faith in Gianfranco and believe he is by far a manager that will lead WFC far..He has been sadly let down by lack of form and also some shocking luck in front of goal The Pozzo family went to great length obtaining him and i feel they made a very shrewd choice. Keep the faith and things will turn...I am certain the players feel they have let the boss down, and as a real supporter will back him up...He cannot blow the ball in the net.Fair play to Yeovil they took the few chances they had whereas we had 5 times more chances yet lady luck bit us.[/p][/quote]As one of life's pessimists, I have to admire the determined 'light-through-the-c louds' optimism. Some would say the bad form is a result of poor tactics and decision making---not something that 'just happened'. The shocking luck in front of goal? Some would say that a team makes it's own luck. And anyway, they have not made sufficient chances to have bad luck---at present Watford players couldn't, as the saying goes, hit a barn door with a banjo. And Watford's woeful defending can hardly be called bad luck. I'm afraid todays debacle can hardly be called bad luck Still, I hope you prove to be right. londomollari
  • Score: 10

11:13pm Sat 30 Nov 13

errollg says...

All teams have bad patches, but is this simply a bad team? I don't think so. Even allowing for injuries we are underperforming, both in performances and results. We have been poor for a number of weeks now. We should not expect instant fixes but we should see some signs that things are getting better rather than worse. In the short term this means cohesion and team spirit, in the medium term it means a striker to replace Vydra and training the defence.
All teams have bad patches, but is this simply a bad team? I don't think so. Even allowing for injuries we are underperforming, both in performances and results. We have been poor for a number of weeks now. We should not expect instant fixes but we should see some signs that things are getting better rather than worse. In the short term this means cohesion and team spirit, in the medium term it means a striker to replace Vydra and training the defence. errollg
  • Score: 7

11:24pm Sat 30 Nov 13

PozzoHornet says...

buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
[quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool? PozzoHornet
  • Score: 10

11:31pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Doctor of Letters says...

As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters.

Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.
As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters. Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand. Doctor of Letters
  • Score: 55

11:36pm Sat 30 Nov 13

berkshire orn says...

Zola needs to go today I sung and shouted for the lads what did he and the lads
give me nothing over paid lazy players deeney again nothing like the whole team
your all scared to say ZOLA OUT ZOLA OUT ZOLA OUT Yeovil made us look crap
Zola needs to go today I sung and shouted for the lads what did he and the lads give me nothing over paid lazy players deeney again nothing like the whole team your all scared to say ZOLA OUT ZOLA OUT ZOLA OUT Yeovil made us look crap berkshire orn
  • Score: -43

11:37pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornet Cornet says...

do stop whining doctor letterz.........
do stop whining doctor letterz......... Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -31

11:46pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Doctor of Letters wrote:
As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters.

Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.
Calling Zola a bad manager is not making him the Devil Incarnate! Get a grip man! I'll call you a WAAAMBULANCE!
[quote][p][bold]Doctor of Letters[/bold] wrote: As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters. Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.[/p][/quote]Calling Zola a bad manager is not making him the Devil Incarnate! Get a grip man! I'll call you a WAAAMBULANCE! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: -16

11:50pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Nordin Wooter says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.
What a ridiculous comment. How can a manager with no clue come so close to promotion last year...
I for one without doubt prefer the football we play under Zola than the football we played under dyche.
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous comment. How can a manager with no clue come so close to promotion last year... I for one without doubt prefer the football we play under Zola than the football we played under dyche. Nordin Wooter
  • Score: 43

11:57pm Sat 30 Nov 13

berkshire orn says...

Deeney Crap over inflated ego what about the youngsters ? Dyche a good honest man BURNLEY WILL DO US TUESDAY WHO DOES NOT THINK SO
Deeney Crap over inflated ego what about the youngsters ? Dyche a good honest man BURNLEY WILL DO US TUESDAY WHO DOES NOT THINK SO berkshire orn
  • Score: -14

12:05am Sun 1 Dec 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Nordin Wooter wrote:
Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.
What a ridiculous comment. How can a manager with no clue come so close to promotion last year...
I for one without doubt prefer the football we play under Zola than the football we played under dyche.
If he had been a good manager we WOULD have been promoted! He made glaring selection errors which cost us the points to get second place! I stand by my previous post.
[quote][p][bold]Nordin Wooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous comment. How can a manager with no clue come so close to promotion last year... I for one without doubt prefer the football we play under Zola than the football we played under dyche.[/p][/quote]If he had been a good manager we WOULD have been promoted! He made glaring selection errors which cost us the points to get second place! I stand by my previous post. Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 4

12:14am Sun 1 Dec 13

berkshire orn says...

Get well soon Pat Rice all the best to you and your family a great player for the horns
Get well soon Pat Rice all the best to you and your family a great player for the horns berkshire orn
  • Score: 55

12:17am Sun 1 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
Doctor of Letters wrote:
As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters.

Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.
Calling Zola a bad manager is not making him the Devil Incarnate! Get a grip man! I'll call you a WAAAMBULANCE!
Zola is a decent human but a useless manager. Doctor Letterz just can't comprehend this evidently complex concept
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor of Letters[/bold] wrote: As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters. Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.[/p][/quote]Calling Zola a bad manager is not making him the Devil Incarnate! Get a grip man! I'll call you a WAAAMBULANCE![/p][/quote]Zola is a decent human but a useless manager. Doctor Letterz just can't comprehend this evidently complex concept Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -21

12:25am Sun 1 Dec 13

Finchy505 says...

Seriously shocking, such short memories and lack of support. The moaners have been around the Vic for too long...I've tolerated 40 + years of them.....GFZ a breath of fresh air, sticky run before the promotion run. Life in the old Division 4 four was tougher (for those of you who can remember the lowly days). Once the injuries are over, I'm taking the promotion odds on offer.......COYH
Seriously shocking, such short memories and lack of support. The moaners have been around the Vic for too long...I've tolerated 40 + years of them.....GFZ a breath of fresh air, sticky run before the promotion run. Life in the old Division 4 four was tougher (for those of you who can remember the lowly days). Once the injuries are over, I'm taking the promotion odds on offer.......COYH Finchy505
  • Score: 36

12:30am Sun 1 Dec 13

berkshire orn says...

Zola said there is a problem at watford yes you and Deeney both no clue deeney could not hit a barn door
Zola said there is a problem at watford yes you and Deeney both no clue deeney could not hit a barn door berkshire orn
  • Score: -1

12:31am Sun 1 Dec 13

stiffler99 says...

Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us .

It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip.
Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us . It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip. stiffler99
  • Score: 36

1:29am Sun 1 Dec 13

tonyevans22 says...

people were not calling for Zola to be sacked when we got to wembley playing some of the best football this club has ever seen,hence the attendances have risen..We lost Chalobah,Vydra,Hogg,
Abdi all season so far,Anya out,and half the defence in and out from being Injured,hence resigning Hall.We don't become a bad side overnight,but injuries and losing such talents mentioned earlier has not helped our situation,how the hell can we perform stability when the majority of the squad is injured or out with illness.some of you need to get a grip.
people were not calling for Zola to be sacked when we got to wembley playing some of the best football this club has ever seen,hence the attendances have risen..We lost Chalobah,Vydra,Hogg, Abdi all season so far,Anya out,and half the defence in and out from being Injured,hence resigning Hall.We don't become a bad side overnight,but injuries and losing such talents mentioned earlier has not helped our situation,how the hell can we perform stability when the majority of the squad is injured or out with illness.some of you need to get a grip. tonyevans22
  • Score: 32

1:57am Sun 1 Dec 13

vydra80 says...

Bring Corradini back. He knows what to do
Bring Corradini back. He knows what to do vydra80
  • Score: 15

2:07am Sun 1 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

Crisis? What crisis? I actually got served coffee at half time without missing the 'action'.

And there was plenty of hot water in the loos. Some of you lot fail to see the positives.
Crisis? What crisis? I actually got served coffee at half time without missing the 'action'. And there was plenty of hot water in the loos. Some of you lot fail to see the positives. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 34

5:59am Sun 1 Dec 13

Hornankey says...

This is the worst run at home that I can recall in my many years supporting the club - although let's not forget that our home form let us down last season. The fact is that our squad is big enough and strong enough to have beaten Yeovil, Bolton and Derby with plenty to spare. Something(s) is clearly not right when a team as talented as ours performs so consistently badly. Some changes in personnel, formation, tactics etc are needed. More of the same will only get the same results. We all have our own 'expert' opinions on what needs to be done. I certainly support the view that we allow the incumbent leadership to take the necessary steps to put it right. If they succeed, in a few weeks we will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
This is the worst run at home that I can recall in my many years supporting the club - although let's not forget that our home form let us down last season. The fact is that our squad is big enough and strong enough to have beaten Yeovil, Bolton and Derby with plenty to spare. Something(s) is clearly not right when a team as talented as ours performs so consistently badly. Some changes in personnel, formation, tactics etc are needed. More of the same will only get the same results. We all have our own 'expert' opinions on what needs to be done. I certainly support the view that we allow the incumbent leadership to take the necessary steps to put it right. If they succeed, in a few weeks we will be wondering what all the fuss was about. Hornankey
  • Score: 13

7:32am Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

SCMW57 wrote:
GF needs support. Our owners are slowly stabilising our club OFF the pitch but they still have a long way to go (debt to be cleared ).
My view is they should invest in a British No 2 for GF - someone who understands what it takes to get out of this division - someone who has the war wounds.....any ideas?
AND we must get real and have realistic expectations....last season was a one off - don't expect the Premier League next year.
The club is unstable, its not your idea to have a British No 2 it was mine posted nearly amonth ago.
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: GF needs support. Our owners are slowly stabilising our club OFF the pitch but they still have a long way to go (debt to be cleared ). My view is they should invest in a British No 2 for GF - someone who understands what it takes to get out of this division - someone who has the war wounds.....any ideas? AND we must get real and have realistic expectations....last season was a one off - don't expect the Premier League next year.[/p][/quote]The club is unstable, its not your idea to have a British No 2 it was mine posted nearly amonth ago. rogeruk
  • Score: -17

7:42am Sun 1 Dec 13

Jon_mk says...

If this is just a blip, it's a bloody big blip. Playoffs aside we were woeful for the last third of last season, and other than a brief good run at the start of the season we are back to being rubbish again. We never come close to looking like scoring these days.

Something needs to give, the combination of players with no experience of this league and a manager with equivalently little experience is combining to make us look like mugs.
If this is just a blip, it's a bloody big blip. Playoffs aside we were woeful for the last third of last season, and other than a brief good run at the start of the season we are back to being rubbish again. We never come close to looking like scoring these days. Something needs to give, the combination of players with no experience of this league and a manager with equivalently little experience is combining to make us look like mugs. Jon_mk
  • Score: 8

8:19am Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

I floated the idea of a British No 2 a month ago on here. The club is now going through a period of instability because Zola is not working out.

Don’t be Zombies the Pozzos make mistakes they're not infallible, they know it. Stop this slavish behaviour; "Thank you for saving my club crap” They didn't do it for altruistic reasons they had ulterior motives which at the time was good for Watford.

The situation has been brought about by Zola and his egotism, he wants to be known as “Mr Nice Guy" it's his image, he has got all of you fooled. At the right time there will be lots of stories coming out of how he is not so nice.

I find it shocking that he admits to things being wrong for quite a while, simultaneously coming out week by week with “We are working hard blah blah. Working hard doesn’t work unless the team goes in one direction! Put 10 men in a long boat with five paddling one way and the other five paddling the other way down to the Cox giving confusing instructions, result; boat stands still and sometimes goes backwards, side wards anywhere but not the destination, there in a nutshell is the Watford football team.

Every appointment is a risk, every sacking is a risk it just depends on the odds, I have come to the conclusion after four seasons in British football; Zola is flawed he will never make it.

It's almost certain it has crossed the Pozzos minds; why didn’t we keep Dysche! Dysche is a good leader he has done a fantastic job with Burnley, if you want to compare maturity check out the Football league review; Dysche’s interview after a very unlucky defeat, compare his interview with ‘little boy lost’ Zola!

No doubt there is some truth in that some players were forced on Zola because he hates to say No, however, a strong manager would have said no I don’t want that player in my squad.

Maybe the Pozzos wanted a ‘yes man’, Zola is that man! Quite a few of the players drafted in were flops and continue to be so, these players were sold to the fans as being far better than they were. For this the management of the club has to take responsibility. Maybe Vydra left Watford because of Zola and for the right reasons, look at McGugan a ‘one trick pony’ who adores Zola etc.! Bekelem a Division 2 quality footballer, Iriney who is a football thug in a Watford shirt. Are the Pozzos using Watford as a dumping ground with a ‘yes man’ manager? Have the chickens come home to roost?


Sunday morning Deeny has come out on the Watford web site with “we need to dig deep” a tired old football cliché if ever there was one! We don’t employ Deeny for his brains but for his goals at the moment he is lacking in both!

This is the same old rubbish being spouted; defeat after defeat.

The Pozzos need to sort it out and quick. I personally suspect there has been a cultural ‘falling out among the players which is why Forestieri never made that pass to Deeny yesterday. Watford are now caught up with the manager’s ego, the player’s egos being more important than the team. 22 shots son goal with only 2 on target. Work it out for yourselves!
I floated the idea of a British No 2 a month ago on here. The club is now going through a period of instability because Zola is not working out. Don’t be Zombies the Pozzos make mistakes they're not infallible, they know it. Stop this slavish behaviour; "Thank you for saving my club crap” They didn't do it for altruistic reasons they had ulterior motives which at the time was good for Watford. The situation has been brought about by Zola and his egotism, he wants to be known as “Mr Nice Guy" it's his image, he has got all of you fooled. At the right time there will be lots of stories coming out of how he is not so nice. I find it shocking that he admits to things being wrong for quite a while, simultaneously coming out week by week with “We are working hard blah blah. Working hard doesn’t work unless the team goes in one direction! Put 10 men in a long boat with five paddling one way and the other five paddling the other way down to the Cox giving confusing instructions, result; boat stands still and sometimes goes backwards, side wards anywhere but not the destination, there in a nutshell is the Watford football team. Every appointment is a risk, every sacking is a risk it just depends on the odds, I have come to the conclusion after four seasons in British football; Zola is flawed he will never make it. It's almost certain it has crossed the Pozzos minds; why didn’t we keep Dysche! Dysche is a good leader he has done a fantastic job with Burnley, if you want to compare maturity check out the Football league review; Dysche’s interview after a very unlucky defeat, compare his interview with ‘little boy lost’ Zola! No doubt there is some truth in that some players were forced on Zola because he hates to say No, however, a strong manager would have said no I don’t want that player in my squad. Maybe the Pozzos wanted a ‘yes man’, Zola is that man! Quite a few of the players drafted in were flops and continue to be so, these players were sold to the fans as being far better than they were. For this the management of the club has to take responsibility. Maybe Vydra left Watford because of Zola and for the right reasons, look at McGugan a ‘one trick pony’ who adores Zola etc.! Bekelem a Division 2 quality footballer, Iriney who is a football thug in a Watford shirt. Are the Pozzos using Watford as a dumping ground with a ‘yes man’ manager? Have the chickens come home to roost? Sunday morning Deeny has come out on the Watford web site with “we need to dig deep” a tired old football cliché if ever there was one! We don’t employ Deeny for his brains but for his goals at the moment he is lacking in both! This is the same old rubbish being spouted; defeat after defeat. The Pozzos need to sort it out and quick. I personally suspect there has been a cultural ‘falling out among the players which is why Forestieri never made that pass to Deeny yesterday. Watford are now caught up with the manager’s ego, the player’s egos being more important than the team. 22 shots son goal with only 2 on target. Work it out for yourselves! rogeruk
  • Score: -10

8:42am Sun 1 Dec 13

stiffler99 says...

Football fans have short memories and we all have our favourites. I am surprised how many people have been having a go at Deeney. Granted he has not always been on top form this season but he works extremely hard and unlike last season where up to January at least he had a fantastic partnership with Vydra he has no link up with anyone. Forrestiieri is a very skilfully player and entertaining to watch. He too works very hard but there are just so many times when he is nowhere near Deeney and he just will not pass the ball. I don't think Acura is the answer and although Fabbrini also appears to be very skilful he was poor yesterday and lost possession many times. We need a better partner for Deeney.
Football fans have short memories and we all have our favourites. I am surprised how many people have been having a go at Deeney. Granted he has not always been on top form this season but he works extremely hard and unlike last season where up to January at least he had a fantastic partnership with Vydra he has no link up with anyone. Forrestiieri is a very skilfully player and entertaining to watch. He too works very hard but there are just so many times when he is nowhere near Deeney and he just will not pass the ball. I don't think Acura is the answer and although Fabbrini also appears to be very skilful he was poor yesterday and lost possession many times. We need a better partner for Deeney. stiffler99
  • Score: 9

9:08am Sun 1 Dec 13

demerit says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
You weren't reacting earlier in this fine run when you said everything was fine, hence the threat of being sacked is forcing you to react.

You're a nice chap but out of your depth AGAIN.

You need to go

HC
Well, I'll do it again HC - 100% agree.

Sometimes even the nice ones have to go. When I have had to do this, with some people I can't wait to see the back of them and with others I have a tear in my eye. GFZ falls into the latter category.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: You weren't reacting earlier in this fine run when you said everything was fine, hence the threat of being sacked is forcing you to react. You're a nice chap but out of your depth AGAIN. You need to go HC[/p][/quote]Well, I'll do it again HC - 100% agree. Sometimes even the nice ones have to go. When I have had to do this, with some people I can't wait to see the back of them and with others I have a tear in my eye. GFZ falls into the latter category. demerit
  • Score: -8

9:08am Sun 1 Dec 13

watford4ever says...

Terrible performance against a poor team. We keep trying to go past players in our own half and loose the ball. If we want to play that way ok, but then we need to set up with cover for when we do loose it!
I don't support getting rid of Zola, he is a big attraction for good payers to come to the club and he can obviously develop individuals into better players
However I agree with a lot of the comments about needing strong support, someone who knows how to set up a balanced team that compliments our style of play
Zola to attract and develop the players; a savvy number 2 to set up the team and manage the tactics on the day
Terrible performance against a poor team. We keep trying to go past players in our own half and loose the ball. If we want to play that way ok, but then we need to set up with cover for when we do loose it! I don't support getting rid of Zola, he is a big attraction for good payers to come to the club and he can obviously develop individuals into better players However I agree with a lot of the comments about needing strong support, someone who knows how to set up a balanced team that compliments our style of play Zola to attract and develop the players; a savvy number 2 to set up the team and manage the tactics on the day watford4ever
  • Score: 19

9:09am Sun 1 Dec 13

demerit says...

endean2 wrote:
JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE!

most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say
except.
-why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that
came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least.
lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet.

right off to shoot myself
They don't like this post Endean but it made me laugh on this depressing Sunday morning....
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE! most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say except. -why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least. lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet. right off to shoot myself[/p][/quote]They don't like this post Endean but it made me laugh on this depressing Sunday morning.... demerit
  • Score: 2

9:11am Sun 1 Dec 13

demerit says...

londomollari wrote:
First, forget rotation. Pick your best available team and stick with it--only change it if a better player returns from injury. It will, at least, start to give those players some confidence
Second, take a cold, hard look at your coaches and staff.
Third. Get nasty. If there IS any dressing room unrest, sort it out or remove the players involved. Whoever they are. If a player is not trying his best---drop him. If a youngster is available, consider giving him a game---he will, at least, bust a gut trying.
Fourth. Don't let other teams win the tactical battles. Change formation, change tactics, do something different. Go into a match in a way that other teams do NOT expect.
Agreed completely but I can't help feeling that this advice would be lost on GFZ.
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: First, forget rotation. Pick your best available team and stick with it--only change it if a better player returns from injury. It will, at least, start to give those players some confidence Second, take a cold, hard look at your coaches and staff. Third. Get nasty. If there IS any dressing room unrest, sort it out or remove the players involved. Whoever they are. If a player is not trying his best---drop him. If a youngster is available, consider giving him a game---he will, at least, bust a gut trying. Fourth. Don't let other teams win the tactical battles. Change formation, change tactics, do something different. Go into a match in a way that other teams do NOT expect.[/p][/quote]Agreed completely but I can't help feeling that this advice would be lost on GFZ. demerit
  • Score: 0

9:12am Sun 1 Dec 13

demerit says...

PMJ1966 wrote:
endean2 wrote:
JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE!

most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say
except.
-why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that
came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least.
lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet.

right off to shoot myself
Miller - exactly! Why why why when we need a striker is someone like that gone to Yeovil when we get yet another midfielder. Maybe he is a bit of the same mould as Deeney and not the "Vydra" we crave but defo a bloke who is going to put pressure on Deeney to perform.
I don't think Spurs would let defo join us...
[quote][p][bold]PMJ1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: JUST GOT ACK HOME, I LIVE 5 MILES FROM YEOVIL, SO IF YOU ALL THINK LIFE IS SH** THEN IMAGINE THE FUN HERE! most of the comments have already been made so there is little else to say except. -why could we not get a player like Millar on loan, he was one of a team that came with a plan, simple yes but they played as a team at least. lets swap Zola for Gary Johnson, seriouslyhe would be a better bet. right off to shoot myself[/p][/quote]Miller - exactly! Why why why when we need a striker is someone like that gone to Yeovil when we get yet another midfielder. Maybe he is a bit of the same mould as Deeney and not the "Vydra" we crave but defo a bloke who is going to put pressure on Deeney to perform.[/p][/quote]I don't think Spurs would let defo join us... demerit
  • Score: 0

9:17am Sun 1 Dec 13

Johnny Ryden says...

GFZ deserves our support, he is an honest guy who is liked and respected throughout the football world, WFC is better for having him at the helm. It is not his fault that we lost 3 key centre halves in the run-in last season; it is not his fault that we lost a top striker and a promising midfielder in the summer and it is not his fault that we have had many injuries this season (including one of the best midfielders ever to play for the club).

As someone else said now is the time for him to show his metal and pull through. If the injured players we know are at the club can return in good shape, then I think midfield and central defence will be OK. Fortunately, the transfer window is coming up and IMO we do need 2 strikers (a little and large) and a left back (all opposition managers continue to target our left flank). Of course, easier said than done but once confidence returns I stll believe this team will do well.
GFZ deserves our support, he is an honest guy who is liked and respected throughout the football world, WFC is better for having him at the helm. It is not his fault that we lost 3 key centre halves in the run-in last season; it is not his fault that we lost a top striker and a promising midfielder in the summer and it is not his fault that we have had many injuries this season (including one of the best midfielders ever to play for the club). As someone else said now is the time for him to show his metal and pull through. If the injured players we know are at the club can return in good shape, then I think midfield and central defence will be OK. Fortunately, the transfer window is coming up and IMO we do need 2 strikers (a little and large) and a left back (all opposition managers continue to target our left flank). Of course, easier said than done but once confidence returns I stll believe this team will do well. Johnny Ryden
  • Score: 20

9:18am Sun 1 Dec 13

demerit says...

Doctor of Letters wrote:
As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters.

Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.
There are some of us that have always had the same views, even last season. My 90 year old Aunt could have picked a good team last season.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor of Letters[/bold] wrote: As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters. Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.[/p][/quote]There are some of us that have always had the same views, even last season. My 90 year old Aunt could have picked a good team last season. demerit
  • Score: -5

9:48am Sun 1 Dec 13

corbindallas says...

How long must we bite our tongue because we are not facing administration?

How long must we continue to support a sinking manager because he is a nice guy?

How long must we remain quiet because we have hot water in the loos and a new stand in progress?

How many of us will be attending League 1 matches next year if we carry on as normal?
How long must we bite our tongue because we are not facing administration? How long must we continue to support a sinking manager because he is a nice guy? How long must we remain quiet because we have hot water in the loos and a new stand in progress? How many of us will be attending League 1 matches next year if we carry on as normal? corbindallas
  • Score: -5

9:50am Sun 1 Dec 13

buck-stops says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
I meant unbeaten in 3 away games!

Woke up today and I'm still angry.....at the disgraceful booing of our fickle fans
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]I meant unbeaten in 3 away games! Woke up today and I'm still angry.....at the disgraceful booing of our fickle fans buck-stops
  • Score: 14

9:55am Sun 1 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

1) Zola to stay until March

2) Skipper to be an outfielder - Nos would be my choice as things are

3) New, experienced No. 2 to be drafted in

4) Jan coming up - balance the team and play the best 11 as often as poss

5) Consider selling Deeney = he was good last season but now he's trouble

6) Play Battochio regularly - he's quality

7) Try the 2 young strikers occasionally. They might surprise

8) Support the team and manager as best you can. We are" in a bad moment" but a better place than before and we should all remember that

9) Pozzo's to give him MUCH more say in who is brought in
1) Zola to stay until March 2) Skipper to be an outfielder - Nos would be my choice as things are 3) New, experienced No. 2 to be drafted in 4) Jan coming up - balance the team and play the best 11 as often as poss 5) Consider selling Deeney = he was good last season but now he's trouble 6) Play Battochio regularly - he's quality 7) Try the 2 young strikers occasionally. They might surprise 8) Support the team and manager as best you can. We are" in a bad moment" but a better place than before and we should all remember that 9) Pozzo's to give him MUCH more say in who is brought in SAHornet
  • Score: 21

9:58am Sun 1 Dec 13

AMP4WFC says...

Take it easy, folks. It´s NOT the end of the world. When things go bad it seems that all people want is a new manager. Do you know for sure that he´ll do better ? Nobody blamed Zola for last season when all was fine but now that we´re in trouble, everybody seems to know better. I, for one, would not have anybody else than Zola at the moment.
History has shown us that it is not a garanty that a new manager will do well instead of the sacked one, so please chill a little bit.
Take it easy, folks. It´s NOT the end of the world. When things go bad it seems that all people want is a new manager. Do you know for sure that he´ll do better ? Nobody blamed Zola for last season when all was fine but now that we´re in trouble, everybody seems to know better. I, for one, would not have anybody else than Zola at the moment. History has shown us that it is not a garanty that a new manager will do well instead of the sacked one, so please chill a little bit. AMP4WFC
  • Score: 21

10:28am Sun 1 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

demerit wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
You weren't reacting earlier in this fine run when you said everything was fine, hence the threat of being sacked is forcing you to react.

You're a nice chap but out of your depth AGAIN.

You need to go

HC
Well, I'll do it again HC - 100% agree.

Sometimes even the nice ones have to go. When I have had to do this, with some people I can't wait to see the back of them and with others I have a tear in my eye. GFZ falls into the latter category.
We're in a results based industry and the results are poor and are getting worse - I'm hoping some of the clappers won't deny this. Losing 3-0 at home against the then-bottom team is a disgrace and GZ unfortunately is leading us onto a downwards path. He doesn't intend to do it, but he doesn't know how to deal with it and won't be learning any time soon unfortunately.

I want the guy to succeed but it's not likely to happen and we cannot get into a relegation dogfight as this is the way we're going - again, being on the worst run in 20 years is evidence of this.

GZ really does have to go.. I agree mate, It's tough but needs to happen.

HC
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: You weren't reacting earlier in this fine run when you said everything was fine, hence the threat of being sacked is forcing you to react. You're a nice chap but out of your depth AGAIN. You need to go HC[/p][/quote]Well, I'll do it again HC - 100% agree. Sometimes even the nice ones have to go. When I have had to do this, with some people I can't wait to see the back of them and with others I have a tear in my eye. GFZ falls into the latter category.[/p][/quote]We're in a results based industry and the results are poor and are getting worse - I'm hoping some of the clappers won't deny this. Losing 3-0 at home against the then-bottom team is a disgrace and GZ unfortunately is leading us onto a downwards path. He doesn't intend to do it, but he doesn't know how to deal with it and won't be learning any time soon unfortunately. I want the guy to succeed but it's not likely to happen and we cannot get into a relegation dogfight as this is the way we're going - again, being on the worst run in 20 years is evidence of this. GZ really does have to go.. I agree mate, It's tough but needs to happen. HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -9

10:33am Sun 1 Dec 13

Bobbyhowfield says...

Yes the results have been poor recently but who can you say had a bad game yesterday.
Zola is right , we are lacking in confidence. The quick passing that was our strength last year has gone but so have the players. Abdi and Chalobah.
Yes the results have been poor recently but who can you say had a bad game yesterday. Zola is right , we are lacking in confidence. The quick passing that was our strength last year has gone but so have the players. Abdi and Chalobah. Bobbyhowfield
  • Score: 16

11:05am Sun 1 Dec 13

francowatford says...

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D francowatford
  • Score: -4

11:16am Sun 1 Dec 13

Poppet Bear says...

I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!! Poppet Bear
  • Score: 7

11:25am Sun 1 Dec 13

84AGAIN says...

If they buy the Observer then hopefully the Pozzos have more sense than to listen to some of the comments on here. If only for getting us as far as he did last season and for the obvious passion for the team Zola showed when Deeney got what for me was possibly the best goal I have ever seen at the Vic he should be given more time. A lot of things have been taken out of his hands, injuries, transfers etc and putting together a core team without enforced changes is pretty difficult at the moment. Vydra was a big loss, Hogg was better and more effective than a lot of people gave him credit for and a reported £35000 a week for retaining an 18 year old Chalobah is taking the proverbial! It's never even easy to get out of the Championship, that's what makes it so enjoyable and as sure as Bass(zz)ini is a plonker there will be a hundred more twists and turns before the end of the season. Keep the faith and keep together, that's what it's all about isn't it?
If they buy the Observer then hopefully the Pozzos have more sense than to listen to some of the comments on here. If only for getting us as far as he did last season and for the obvious passion for the team Zola showed when Deeney got what for me was possibly the best goal I have ever seen at the Vic he should be given more time. A lot of things have been taken out of his hands, injuries, transfers etc and putting together a core team without enforced changes is pretty difficult at the moment. Vydra was a big loss, Hogg was better and more effective than a lot of people gave him credit for and a reported £35000 a week for retaining an 18 year old Chalobah is taking the proverbial! It's never even easy to get out of the Championship, that's what makes it so enjoyable and as sure as Bass(zz)ini is a plonker there will be a hundred more twists and turns before the end of the season. Keep the faith and keep together, that's what it's all about isn't it? 84AGAIN
  • Score: 20

11:40am Sun 1 Dec 13

Uzzy14 says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
Crisis? What crisis? I actually got served coffee at half time without missing the 'action'.

And there was plenty of hot water in the loos. Some of you lot fail to see the positives.
Don't know what loo you were in but the water was freezing in the one l used !!!
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Crisis? What crisis? I actually got served coffee at half time without missing the 'action'. And there was plenty of hot water in the loos. Some of you lot fail to see the positives.[/p][/quote]Don't know what loo you were in but the water was freezing in the one l used !!! Uzzy14
  • Score: 2

12:03pm Sun 1 Dec 13

demerit says...

After we've lost 4-0 to Burnley and then 2-0 by Leeds and GFZ is no more, I think we really must get someone of similar "standing" in them being a "name".

Although GFZ has clearly failed in every way, he is a famous football player that everyone knows and the gravitas of this, the Pozzos' in charge, the new stand and the clear objective of Pozzos to be playing Premiership football next year, all made us an attractive proposition to prospective high profile players.

I quite like the idea of Glen Hoddle because he knows his football, carries some managerial weight, is authoritative and would be far more in tune with the players' psychology. As long as he doesn't come out with any un-PC religious nonsense, then he would fit the bill.
After we've lost 4-0 to Burnley and then 2-0 by Leeds and GFZ is no more, I think we really must get someone of similar "standing" in them being a "name". Although GFZ has clearly failed in every way, he is a famous football player that everyone knows and the gravitas of this, the Pozzos' in charge, the new stand and the clear objective of Pozzos to be playing Premiership football next year, all made us an attractive proposition to prospective high profile players. I quite like the idea of Glen Hoddle because he knows his football, carries some managerial weight, is authoritative and would be far more in tune with the players' psychology. As long as he doesn't come out with any un-PC religious nonsense, then he would fit the bill. demerit
  • Score: -16

12:09pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

demerit wrote:
Doctor of Letters wrote:
As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters.

Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.
There are some of us that have always had the same views, even last season. My 90 year old Aunt could have picked a good team last season.
Dinasaurs couldn't adapt and they dissappeared, what does it take to get through to you? That was then and now is now. Football is a results game, yesterday is history and counts for nothing.

I am sure many people are not pleased to admit they are watford fans outside of Herts. The team is absolute rubbish beaten at home by Yeovil of the Conference in 2003 by 0 to 3. How far do Watford have to sink before it gets into your skull?
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor of Letters[/bold] wrote: As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters. Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.[/p][/quote]There are some of us that have always had the same views, even last season. My 90 year old Aunt could have picked a good team last season.[/p][/quote]Dinasaurs couldn't adapt and they dissappeared, what does it take to get through to you? That was then and now is now. Football is a results game, yesterday is history and counts for nothing. I am sure many people are not pleased to admit they are watford fans outside of Herts. The team is absolute rubbish beaten at home by Yeovil of the Conference in 2003 by 0 to 3. How far do Watford have to sink before it gets into your skull? rogeruk
  • Score: -6

12:14pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
[quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change! rogeruk
  • Score: -11

12:14pm Sun 1 Dec 13

allgood says...

On current form we are the worst team in the division. Only hope yesterday don't turn out to be a relegation 6 pointer lost. No one will expect us to get anything in coming 2 away games so no pressure. Who knows?
On current form we are the worst team in the division. Only hope yesterday don't turn out to be a relegation 6 pointer lost. No one will expect us to get anything in coming 2 away games so no pressure. Who knows? allgood
  • Score: 3

12:15pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

stiffler99 wrote:
Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us .

It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip.
This is just a minor blip! What have you had a lobotomy?
[quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us . It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip.[/p][/quote]This is just a minor blip! What have you had a lobotomy? rogeruk
  • Score: -9

12:19pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ? rogeruk
  • Score: -10

12:23pm Sun 1 Dec 13

santa-says says...

Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose!

This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.
Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose! This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles. santa-says
  • Score: 19

12:30pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Poppet Bear says...

rogeruk wrote:
Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
No comparison, Fergie picked his own players, Zola doesn't.. He has to use what he's given. You would struggle in any situation where you had to succeed with what you are given and not employ your own staff. Sounds like you know as much about management as most of Managers I've worked for.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change![/p][/quote]No comparison, Fergie picked his own players, Zola doesn't.. He has to use what he's given. You would struggle in any situation where you had to succeed with what you are given and not employ your own staff. Sounds like you know as much about management as most of Managers I've worked for. Poppet Bear
  • Score: 13

12:32pm Sun 1 Dec 13

No Wheels says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up
Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks.

I must therefore not be allowed to speak.
opinions are like a$$holes. everybody's got one.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up[/p][/quote]Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks. I must therefore not be allowed to speak.[/p][/quote]opinions are like a$$holes. everybody's got one. No Wheels
  • Score: -1

12:36pm Sun 1 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club!
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club! 1234566789
  • Score: 24

1:01pm Sun 1 Dec 13

holtonian says...

londomollari wrote:
holtonian wrote:
I have faith in Gianfranco and believe he is by far a manager that will lead WFC far..He has been sadly let down by lack of form and also some shocking luck in front of goal The Pozzo family went to great length obtaining him and i feel they made a very shrewd choice. Keep the faith and things will turn...I am certain the players feel they have let the boss down, and as a real supporter will back him up...He cannot blow the ball in the net.Fair play to Yeovil they took the few chances they had whereas we had 5 times more chances yet lady luck bit us.
As one of life's pessimists, I have to admire the determined 'light-through-the-c

louds' optimism. Some would say the bad form is a result of poor tactics and decision making---not something that 'just happened'. The shocking luck in front of goal? Some would say that a team makes it's own luck. And anyway, they have not made sufficient chances to have bad luck---at present Watford players couldn't, as the saying goes, hit a barn door with a banjo. And Watford's woeful defending can hardly be called bad luck. I'm afraid todays debacle can hardly be called bad luck
Still, I hope you prove to be right.
Great post above me, Zola will be huge factor gaining players in the future,
the Pozzo family are very smart people and only hope they back up the man of there choice all day long. All clubs get glitches so for me its not disaster what so ever..And lets get it right who really wanted to buy or get involved with a club on the verge . NOBODY.
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: I have faith in Gianfranco and believe he is by far a manager that will lead WFC far..He has been sadly let down by lack of form and also some shocking luck in front of goal The Pozzo family went to great length obtaining him and i feel they made a very shrewd choice. Keep the faith and things will turn...I am certain the players feel they have let the boss down, and as a real supporter will back him up...He cannot blow the ball in the net.Fair play to Yeovil they took the few chances they had whereas we had 5 times more chances yet lady luck bit us.[/p][/quote]As one of life's pessimists, I have to admire the determined 'light-through-the-c louds' optimism. Some would say the bad form is a result of poor tactics and decision making---not something that 'just happened'. The shocking luck in front of goal? Some would say that a team makes it's own luck. And anyway, they have not made sufficient chances to have bad luck---at present Watford players couldn't, as the saying goes, hit a barn door with a banjo. And Watford's woeful defending can hardly be called bad luck. I'm afraid todays debacle can hardly be called bad luck Still, I hope you prove to be right.[/p][/quote]Great post above me, Zola will be huge factor gaining players in the future, the Pozzo family are very smart people and only hope they back up the man of there choice all day long. All clubs get glitches so for me its not disaster what so ever..And lets get it right who really wanted to buy or get involved with a club on the verge . NOBODY. holtonian
  • Score: 18

1:23pm Sun 1 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
Yep, agree with that
[quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]Yep, agree with that SAHornet
  • Score: 9

1:29pm Sun 1 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club!
Spot-on
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club![/p][/quote]Spot-on SAHornet
  • Score: 11

1:30pm Sun 1 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club!
...you were doing so well until the "compare the squads" comment. THAT is exactly the point - we are in a better league position than 2 years ago, but not by much and we have a far, far better squad, at least on paper. That is why Zola is under-performing - it has nothing to do with the history of the club and the fact that we have spent the majority of it in the 3rd or 4th tier. That has NO bearing on our current ownership, squad or performances and it is disingenuous to mix them up
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club![/p][/quote]...you were doing so well until the "compare the squads" comment. THAT is exactly the point - we are in a better league position than 2 years ago, but not by much and we have a far, far better squad, at least on paper. That is why Zola is under-performing - it has nothing to do with the history of the club and the fact that we have spent the majority of it in the 3rd or 4th tier. That has NO bearing on our current ownership, squad or performances and it is disingenuous to mix them up onion8837
  • Score: -4

1:37pm Sun 1 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

onion8837 wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club!
...you were doing so well until the "compare the squads" comment. THAT is exactly the point - we are in a better league position than 2 years ago, but not by much and we have a far, far better squad, at least on paper. That is why Zola is under-performing - it has nothing to do with the history of the club and the fact that we have spent the majority of it in the 3rd or 4th tier. That has NO bearing on our current ownership, squad or performances and it is disingenuous to mix them up
My point is that he is largely responsible for the improved quality of our squad. Yes, the Pozzos sent a lot of players over but a lot have been attracted by the chance of working with Zola
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]And what happens if the next manager has the same form? Sack him as well and try another? We are 4 points outside the Top 6- it is a sad day when Watford fans think we need to sack our manager cause we aren't in a better position than that!!! Where were we this time 2 years ago? Compare the respective squads and remember that Zola has been a crucial part of bringing those players to the club![/p][/quote]...you were doing so well until the "compare the squads" comment. THAT is exactly the point - we are in a better league position than 2 years ago, but not by much and we have a far, far better squad, at least on paper. That is why Zola is under-performing - it has nothing to do with the history of the club and the fact that we have spent the majority of it in the 3rd or 4th tier. That has NO bearing on our current ownership, squad or performances and it is disingenuous to mix them up[/p][/quote]My point is that he is largely responsible for the improved quality of our squad. Yes, the Pozzos sent a lot of players over but a lot have been attracted by the chance of working with Zola 1234566789
  • Score: 15

2:43pm Sun 1 Dec 13

mickallen57 says...

I like to be positive ,we have great owners; manager; and squad . Under Zola we have played some of the best football I have ever seen at the Vic (since 69/70 season). I hope we can turn this around and get firing on all cylinders. Confidence is draining and this poor run seems to show no sign of abating. Things are not working for whatever reason, but surely sacking Zola is not the answer. These players can play and on their day can beat anyone. Zola will come through and will sort this out .How ? Don't ask me I am not working with these guys on a daily basis , he is . Give the guy a chance COYH
I like to be positive ,we have great owners; manager; and squad . Under Zola we have played some of the best football I have ever seen at the Vic (since 69/70 season). I hope we can turn this around and get firing on all cylinders. Confidence is draining and this poor run seems to show no sign of abating. Things are not working for whatever reason, but surely sacking Zola is not the answer. These players can play and on their day can beat anyone. Zola will come through and will sort this out .How ? Don't ask me I am not working with these guys on a daily basis , he is . Give the guy a chance COYH mickallen57
  • Score: 14

2:51pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them.

HC
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them. HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -16

3:20pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Truehornet says...

Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go:

1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra.

2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week.

3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all.

I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go.
Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go: 1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra. 2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week. 3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all. I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go. Truehornet
  • Score: 7

3:23pm Sun 1 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

If Zola was to be sacked we'll have a foreign manager who we don't know as no British manager would work under the conditions Zola has been.. Zola has never been in charge of Watford FC football affairs.. Nani is like a dark shadow in the back ground.. Come into the light and take inboard your share of the blame.. Zola has been given players that Nani wants.. Watford fans open your eyes and see the truth and get behind Zola and tackle the man in the back ground...
If Zola was to be sacked we'll have a foreign manager who we don't know as no British manager would work under the conditions Zola has been.. Zola has never been in charge of Watford FC football affairs.. Nani is like a dark shadow in the back ground.. Come into the light and take inboard your share of the blame.. Zola has been given players that Nani wants.. Watford fans open your eyes and see the truth and get behind Zola and tackle the man in the back ground... watford1881
  • Score: 7

3:54pm Sun 1 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

Truehornet wrote:
Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go:

1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra.

2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week.

3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all.

I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go.
1) he has changed to 4-3-3 on quite a few occasions.
2) I completely agree, don't really understand how they both seem to have a guaranteed starting place and never get replaced (perhaps cause they are the only players who might shoot and score?)
3) when he changes it to 4-3-3, or the change yesterday, doesn't that constitute a plan b? What do you want him to do? A lot of people talk about this magical 'plan b' but not many are giving options. You can only do so much in terms of dictating the style of play, the manager can't actually break the defence down
[quote][p][bold]Truehornet[/bold] wrote: Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go: 1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra. 2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week. 3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all. I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go.[/p][/quote]1) he has changed to 4-3-3 on quite a few occasions. 2) I completely agree, don't really understand how they both seem to have a guaranteed starting place and never get replaced (perhaps cause they are the only players who might shoot and score?) 3) when he changes it to 4-3-3, or the change yesterday, doesn't that constitute a plan b? What do you want him to do? A lot of people talk about this magical 'plan b' but not many are giving options. You can only do so much in terms of dictating the style of play, the manager can't actually break the defence down 1234566789
  • Score: 11

3:59pm Sun 1 Dec 13

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  • Score: 9

4:23pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Truehornet says...

1234566789 wrote:
Truehornet wrote:
Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go:

1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra.

2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week.

3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all.

I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go.
1) he has changed to 4-3-3 on quite a few occasions.
2) I completely agree, don't really understand how they both seem to have a guaranteed starting place and never get replaced (perhaps cause they are the only players who might shoot and score?)
3) when he changes it to 4-3-3, or the change yesterday, doesn't that constitute a plan b? What do you want him to do? A lot of people talk about this magical 'plan b' but not many are giving options. You can only do so much in terms of dictating the style of play, the manager can't actually break the defence down
I think he needs to start with 4-3-3, we only change to it when we are losing and chasing the game leaving even more gaps at the back. As for the plan B, we need to be more direct. Possibly use the wings more and get some crosses in for Deeney or Acuna to get on the end of. I'm a huge fan of passing football but it hasn't been working recently. I just think if we are going to be successful this year, we can't be so predictable.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truehornet[/bold] wrote: Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go: 1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra. 2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week. 3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all. I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go.[/p][/quote]1) he has changed to 4-3-3 on quite a few occasions. 2) I completely agree, don't really understand how they both seem to have a guaranteed starting place and never get replaced (perhaps cause they are the only players who might shoot and score?) 3) when he changes it to 4-3-3, or the change yesterday, doesn't that constitute a plan b? What do you want him to do? A lot of people talk about this magical 'plan b' but not many are giving options. You can only do so much in terms of dictating the style of play, the manager can't actually break the defence down[/p][/quote]I think he needs to start with 4-3-3, we only change to it when we are losing and chasing the game leaving even more gaps at the back. As for the plan B, we need to be more direct. Possibly use the wings more and get some crosses in for Deeney or Acuna to get on the end of. I'm a huge fan of passing football but it hasn't been working recently. I just think if we are going to be successful this year, we can't be so predictable. Truehornet
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Sun 1 Dec 13

andyhooked says...

I missed the action. Went for a pee during the time added on just beforet half time and then missed more action when I left the ground with 3 minutes left of actual time. Yep, I missed most of the action but none from our team. I think GFZ is a busted flush buy where do we go from here? Loanees aint the answer and we are not going to get a quality forward to help out Troy given where we are heading - at best mid table
I missed the action. Went for a pee during the time added on just beforet half time and then missed more action when I left the ground with 3 minutes left of actual time. Yep, I missed most of the action but none from our team. I think GFZ is a busted flush buy where do we go from here? Loanees aint the answer and we are not going to get a quality forward to help out Troy given where we are heading - at best mid table andyhooked
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Boosey says...

Bobbyhowfield wrote:
Yes the results have been poor recently but who can you say had a bad game yesterday. Zola is right , we are lacking in confidence. The quick passing that was our strength last year has gone but so have the players. Abdi and Chalobah.
Who had a bad game? Let's start with McGugan. . . .
[quote][p][bold]Bobbyhowfield[/bold] wrote: Yes the results have been poor recently but who can you say had a bad game yesterday. Zola is right , we are lacking in confidence. The quick passing that was our strength last year has gone but so have the players. Abdi and Chalobah.[/p][/quote]Who had a bad game? Let's start with McGugan. . . . Boosey
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Sun 1 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

Truehornet wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Truehornet wrote:
Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go:

1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra.

2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week.

3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all.

I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go.
1) he has changed to 4-3-3 on quite a few occasions.
2) I completely agree, don't really understand how they both seem to have a guaranteed starting place and never get replaced (perhaps cause they are the only players who might shoot and score?)
3) when he changes it to 4-3-3, or the change yesterday, doesn't that constitute a plan b? What do you want him to do? A lot of people talk about this magical 'plan b' but not many are giving options. You can only do so much in terms of dictating the style of play, the manager can't actually break the defence down
I think he needs to start with 4-3-3, we only change to it when we are losing and chasing the game leaving even more gaps at the back. As for the plan B, we need to be more direct. Possibly use the wings more and get some crosses in for Deeney or Acuna to get on the end of. I'm a huge fan of passing football but it hasn't been working recently. I just think if we are going to be successful this year, we can't be so predictable.
I know what you're saying but I just think it's a bit harsh. All we did yesterday was put crosses in and we didn't win anything in the air. Can't just rely on Deeney to win headers as most defences in this league have a much bigger centre half
[quote][p][bold]Truehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truehornet[/bold] wrote: Personally I like Zola but here are the reasons he may need to go: 1) He is unwilling to change the formation. In my opinion 4-3-3 suits this set of players so much better, where as 3-5-2 suited the pace of Vydra. 2) He never drops certain players. He won't drop deeney or McGugan both of whom have been very poor so far this season and yet he's unwilling to get players like Battochio involved. He did the same towards the end of last season with an out of form Vydra starting every game while fessi undeservedly sat on the bench every week. 3) Finally, he doesn't have a plan B. When teams sit back against us we don't create many chances at all. Although we had 20 odd shots yesterday most were from outside the box and didn't many clear cut chances at all. I think since the Leicester game when it was clear we were well off from where we want to be something needed to change and unfortunately it hasn't. I like Zola but we can only hope that he's learnt from this embarrassing loss against bottom of the league and can make appropriate changes. Otherwise he has to go.[/p][/quote]1) he has changed to 4-3-3 on quite a few occasions. 2) I completely agree, don't really understand how they both seem to have a guaranteed starting place and never get replaced (perhaps cause they are the only players who might shoot and score?) 3) when he changes it to 4-3-3, or the change yesterday, doesn't that constitute a plan b? What do you want him to do? A lot of people talk about this magical 'plan b' but not many are giving options. You can only do so much in terms of dictating the style of play, the manager can't actually break the defence down[/p][/quote]I think he needs to start with 4-3-3, we only change to it when we are losing and chasing the game leaving even more gaps at the back. As for the plan B, we need to be more direct. Possibly use the wings more and get some crosses in for Deeney or Acuna to get on the end of. I'm a huge fan of passing football but it hasn't been working recently. I just think if we are going to be successful this year, we can't be so predictable.[/p][/quote]I know what you're saying but I just think it's a bit harsh. All we did yesterday was put crosses in and we didn't win anything in the air. Can't just rely on Deeney to win headers as most defences in this league have a much bigger centre half 1234566789
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Sun 1 Dec 13

hawkhorn says...

Is Alan Curbishley still unemployed?
Is Alan Curbishley still unemployed? hawkhorn
  • Score: -7

4:58pm Sun 1 Dec 13

JohnnyBarnes says...

I didn't go yesterday, so can't comment specifically on that - but will be up at Burnley, and think that now is the time, after a (shall we say) surprising home defeat for Zola to decide two things: who are my best players, and what is my favoured formation.

Vydra or no Vydra, 3-5-2 can work. It's fluid enough - wingbacks bombing on, split strikers and midfielders timing runs from deep - to pull the opposition all over the place, cause a lot of problems and score a lot of goals. It also provides more than enough cover at the back, with three centre backs, two wingbacks tucking in and a holding midfield player.

However...

What a fluid formation requires is a level of understanding that only comes with consistent personnel. Hull City showed last year that if the back 3/5 know each other, midfielders know who's bombing on when and the strikers have got a good relationship going on, it could get us up - and I believe that we've got better players than they had
but our XI changes every week! It's true that we've been hit by injuries, but our starting XI was changing before that.

Please please please sit down, pick your best XI, and whoever is on that list plays - end of. No more rotating. The back line in particular is screaming out for continuity. Two clean sheets all season (one of those against Wigan when Nick Powell was wrongly ruled offside) will not get us into the play-offs, never mind the top two.

For what it's worth, I would play the following when everyone's fit:

Almunia (right now, experience is crucial, mistakes or not)
Faraoni (Champions League experience - obviously class)
Anya (when he's fit, Pudil until then)
Angella (should be first name on the team sheet every week)
Lloyd (Hall until then)
Ekstrand (Nos until then)

Thorne (to sit)
Abdi (to pass - and very definitely Batt until Abdi's fit)
Murray (creative, forward-thinking... and hungry)

Deeney
Fessi (or Fabb - both quality, but probably Fessi's familiarity with the Championship edges him slightly)

That side is EASILY top six... but not if they're all playing as individuals, which is unfortunately an inevitable by-product of switching players around every five seconds.
I didn't go yesterday, so can't comment specifically on that - but will be up at Burnley, and think that now is the time, after a (shall we say) surprising home defeat for Zola to decide two things: who are my best players, and what is my favoured formation. Vydra or no Vydra, 3-5-2 can work. It's fluid enough - wingbacks bombing on, split strikers and midfielders timing runs from deep - to pull the opposition all over the place, cause a lot of problems and score a lot of goals. It also provides more than enough cover at the back, with three centre backs, two wingbacks tucking in and a holding midfield player. However... What a fluid formation requires is a level of understanding that only comes with consistent personnel. Hull City showed last year that if the back 3/5 know each other, midfielders know who's bombing on when and the strikers have got a good relationship going on, it could get us up - and I believe that we've got better players than they had but our XI changes every week! It's true that we've been hit by injuries, but our starting XI was changing before that. Please please please sit down, pick your best XI, and whoever is on that list plays - end of. No more rotating. The back line in particular is screaming out for continuity. Two clean sheets all season (one of those against Wigan when Nick Powell was wrongly ruled offside) will not get us into the play-offs, never mind the top two. For what it's worth, I would play the following when everyone's fit: Almunia (right now, experience is crucial, mistakes or not) Faraoni (Champions League experience - obviously class) Anya (when he's fit, Pudil until then) Angella (should be first name on the team sheet every week) Lloyd (Hall until then) Ekstrand (Nos until then) Thorne (to sit) Abdi (to pass - and very definitely Batt until Abdi's fit) Murray (creative, forward-thinking... and hungry) Deeney Fessi (or Fabb - both quality, but probably Fessi's familiarity with the Championship edges him slightly) That side is EASILY top six... but not if they're all playing as individuals, which is unfortunately an inevitable by-product of switching players around every five seconds. JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 16

4:59pm Sun 1 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

rogeruk wrote:
Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
Really wish you were speechless
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change![/p][/quote]Really wish you were speechless anywayasiwasaying
  • Score: 7

5:10pm Sun 1 Dec 13

demerit says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
Really wish you were speechless
I wish people would just resign themselves to the inevitable. It is "when" not "if". it won't be this week because we have two crucial games, the preparation for which would be seriously disrupted. This time next week I reckon...
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change![/p][/quote]Really wish you were speechless[/p][/quote]I wish people would just resign themselves to the inevitable. It is "when" not "if". it won't be this week because we have two crucial games, the preparation for which would be seriously disrupted. This time next week I reckon... demerit
  • Score: -3

5:51pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Johnny Ryden wrote:
GFZ deserves our support, he is an honest guy who is liked and respected throughout the football world, WFC is better for having him at the helm. It is not his fault that we lost 3 key centre halves in the run-in last season; it is not his fault that we lost a top striker and a promising midfielder in the summer and it is not his fault that we have had many injuries this season (including one of the best midfielders ever to play for the club).

As someone else said now is the time for him to show his metal and pull through. If the injured players we know are at the club can return in good shape, then I think midfield and central defence will be OK. Fortunately, the transfer window is coming up and IMO we do need 2 strikers (a little and large) and a left back (all opposition managers continue to target our left flank). Of course, easier said than done but once confidence returns I stll believe this team will do well.
He is so honest just like he has been honest all along with the Abdi situation; back in 2 to 3 weeks he said two months ago! He was soft soaping Watford fans who basically are very easy to con, most of these supporters were ardent Bassini fans!
[quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: GFZ deserves our support, he is an honest guy who is liked and respected throughout the football world, WFC is better for having him at the helm. It is not his fault that we lost 3 key centre halves in the run-in last season; it is not his fault that we lost a top striker and a promising midfielder in the summer and it is not his fault that we have had many injuries this season (including one of the best midfielders ever to play for the club). As someone else said now is the time for him to show his metal and pull through. If the injured players we know are at the club can return in good shape, then I think midfield and central defence will be OK. Fortunately, the transfer window is coming up and IMO we do need 2 strikers (a little and large) and a left back (all opposition managers continue to target our left flank). Of course, easier said than done but once confidence returns I stll believe this team will do well.[/p][/quote]He is so honest just like he has been honest all along with the Abdi situation; back in 2 to 3 weeks he said two months ago! He was soft soaping Watford fans who basically are very easy to con, most of these supporters were ardent Bassini fans! rogeruk
  • Score: -7

5:53pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Bobbyhowfield wrote:
Yes the results have been poor recently but who can you say had a bad game yesterday.
Zola is right , we are lacking in confidence. The quick passing that was our strength last year has gone but so have the players. Abdi and Chalobah.
Pathetic!
[quote][p][bold]Bobbyhowfield[/bold] wrote: Yes the results have been poor recently but who can you say had a bad game yesterday. Zola is right , we are lacking in confidence. The quick passing that was our strength last year has gone but so have the players. Abdi and Chalobah.[/p][/quote]Pathetic! rogeruk
  • Score: -14

5:56pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

santa-says wrote:
Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose!

This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.
We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six?

Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team!
[quote][p][bold]santa-says[/bold] wrote: Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose! This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.[/p][/quote]We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six? Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team! rogeruk
  • Score: -16

6:03pm Sun 1 Dec 13

15minutes says...

So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?"
So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?" 15minutes
  • Score: -6

6:05pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
Really wish you were speechless
What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker.

The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly!

Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola.

Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do!
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change![/p][/quote]Really wish you were speechless[/p][/quote]What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker. The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly! Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola. Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do! rogeruk
  • Score: -11

6:16pm Sun 1 Dec 13

berkshire orn says...

Martin Jol and Jermaine Defoe ???????????????
Martin Jol and Jermaine Defoe ??????????????? berkshire orn
  • Score: -1

6:21pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
santa-says wrote:
Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose!

This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.
We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six?

Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team!
Roger, dear fella. Calm yourself down. You're making a bit of a tit of yourself on here. Particularly your comments last night on the match report thread. There's a lot of hypocrisy in your comments. Moreover there's an underlying tone of frustration, unhappiness and immaturity. I can handle that coming from a teenager, or a child, but with a name like Roger I would hazard a guess you're at least 45. Therapy would probably help you. It can help channel your negative energy and help you see things from a more rational perspective. With that new found rationality and release of pent up frustration you'll probably find yourself more capable of reasoned comment and discussion with other adults, even if their opinions are polar opposite to yours. With therapy, you should start to find inner happiness, and with that perhaps you will not feel the need to insult, patronise or offend others with derogatory comments and be able to accept that those with different opinions are neither losers, nor deluded. Insulting others using the anonymity of a message board will certainly help you feel better about yourself in the short term, but not the long term.
You can heed my advice and look to better yourself as a person.....or you could carry on as you are and be a total helmet for the rest of your life.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]santa-says[/bold] wrote: Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose! This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.[/p][/quote]We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six? Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team![/p][/quote]Roger, dear fella. Calm yourself down. You're making a bit of a tit of yourself on here. Particularly your comments last night on the match report thread. There's a lot of hypocrisy in your comments. Moreover there's an underlying tone of frustration, unhappiness and immaturity. I can handle that coming from a teenager, or a child, but with a name like Roger I would hazard a guess you're at least 45. Therapy would probably help you. It can help channel your negative energy and help you see things from a more rational perspective. With that new found rationality and release of pent up frustration you'll probably find yourself more capable of reasoned comment and discussion with other adults, even if their opinions are polar opposite to yours. With therapy, you should start to find inner happiness, and with that perhaps you will not feel the need to insult, patronise or offend others with derogatory comments and be able to accept that those with different opinions are neither losers, nor deluded. Insulting others using the anonymity of a message board will certainly help you feel better about yourself in the short term, but not the long term. You can heed my advice and look to better yourself as a person.....or you could carry on as you are and be a total helmet for the rest of your life. Stoney77
  • Score: 16

6:53pm Sun 1 Dec 13

MJ1 says...

I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club
I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club MJ1
  • Score: 3

6:54pm Sun 1 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
santa-says wrote:
Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose!

This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.
We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six?

Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team!
Roger, dear fella. Calm yourself down. You're making a bit of a tit of yourself on here. Particularly your comments last night on the match report thread. There's a lot of hypocrisy in your comments. Moreover there's an underlying tone of frustration, unhappiness and immaturity. I can handle that coming from a teenager, or a child, but with a name like Roger I would hazard a guess you're at least 45. Therapy would probably help you. It can help channel your negative energy and help you see things from a more rational perspective. With that new found rationality and release of pent up frustration you'll probably find yourself more capable of reasoned comment and discussion with other adults, even if their opinions are polar opposite to yours. With therapy, you should start to find inner happiness, and with that perhaps you will not feel the need to insult, patronise or offend others with derogatory comments and be able to accept that those with different opinions are neither losers, nor deluded. Insulting others using the anonymity of a message board will certainly help you feel better about yourself in the short term, but not the long term.
You can heed my advice and look to better yourself as a person.....or you could carry on as you are and be a total helmet for the rest of your life.
Haha, priceless Dr. Stoney. Book me in for my 9.30 appointment tomorrow morning will you?
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]santa-says[/bold] wrote: Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose! This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.[/p][/quote]We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six? Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team![/p][/quote]Roger, dear fella. Calm yourself down. You're making a bit of a tit of yourself on here. Particularly your comments last night on the match report thread. There's a lot of hypocrisy in your comments. Moreover there's an underlying tone of frustration, unhappiness and immaturity. I can handle that coming from a teenager, or a child, but with a name like Roger I would hazard a guess you're at least 45. Therapy would probably help you. It can help channel your negative energy and help you see things from a more rational perspective. With that new found rationality and release of pent up frustration you'll probably find yourself more capable of reasoned comment and discussion with other adults, even if their opinions are polar opposite to yours. With therapy, you should start to find inner happiness, and with that perhaps you will not feel the need to insult, patronise or offend others with derogatory comments and be able to accept that those with different opinions are neither losers, nor deluded. Insulting others using the anonymity of a message board will certainly help you feel better about yourself in the short term, but not the long term. You can heed my advice and look to better yourself as a person.....or you could carry on as you are and be a total helmet for the rest of your life.[/p][/quote]Haha, priceless Dr. Stoney. Book me in for my 9.30 appointment tomorrow morning will you? SAHornet
  • Score: 6

7:01pm Sun 1 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

MJ1 wrote:
I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club
You make some valid points MJ1 but remember, when you say that our players aspire to play elsewhere, every player in the Championship aspires to play at a higher level, be it in The Prem, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A or wherever. Look at how Matty wanted out as soon as he thought he was the big "I AM". The same for Deeney we think, so that's an overseas mercenary and a home-grown Brit with the same mind set. I understand your feelings but you may be overplaying the dread of foreign ownership and players.
[quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club[/p][/quote]You make some valid points MJ1 but remember, when you say that our players aspire to play elsewhere, every player in the Championship aspires to play at a higher level, be it in The Prem, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A or wherever. Look at how Matty wanted out as soon as he thought he was the big "I AM". The same for Deeney we think, so that's an overseas mercenary and a home-grown Brit with the same mind set. I understand your feelings but you may be overplaying the dread of foreign ownership and players. SAHornet
  • Score: 5

7:16pm Sun 1 Dec 13

stiffler99 says...

rogeruk wrote:
stiffler99 wrote:
Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us .

It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip.
This is just a minor blip! What have you had a lobotomy?
I am just not prone to knee-jerk reactions. I guess you feel that the season will be an absolute disaster if we don't get promoted this season.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us . It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip.[/p][/quote]This is just a minor blip! What have you had a lobotomy?[/p][/quote]I am just not prone to knee-jerk reactions. I guess you feel that the season will be an absolute disaster if we don't get promoted this season. stiffler99
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Chris the Vic says...

Now why on earth would we sack him

I saw both Almen and Lloyd before the game and both thought we would win. We dominated possession for much of the game but failed to capitalise on it with our strike force. Deeney worked his socks off but did not threaten and Fernando believes he is Messi and tries to take on too many players with little chance of success. we often gave the ball away cheaply and the best player on our team was young Hector.

Yeovil wanted the win more than we did and worked so hard in defence blocking loads of shops whereas we could have been three down at half time with Yeovil needing a slight touch on one cross and missing a sitter on another occasion. They were not good , we were just awful and in the end rolled over.

Watching the game on the half way line for once relly allowed me to hear the Yeovil supporters throughout the game and on about two occasions I heard a Watford chant. We really are appallingly quiet supporters at home.

In short GFZ, the team and the supporters all need to up their game. If we do the next two games at home are eminently winnable
Now why on earth would we sack him I saw both Almen and Lloyd before the game and both thought we would win. We dominated possession for much of the game but failed to capitalise on it with our strike force. Deeney worked his socks off but did not threaten and Fernando believes he is Messi and tries to take on too many players with little chance of success. we often gave the ball away cheaply and the best player on our team was young Hector. Yeovil wanted the win more than we did and worked so hard in defence blocking loads of shops whereas we could have been three down at half time with Yeovil needing a slight touch on one cross and missing a sitter on another occasion. They were not good , we were just awful and in the end rolled over. Watching the game on the half way line for once relly allowed me to hear the Yeovil supporters throughout the game and on about two occasions I heard a Watford chant. We really are appallingly quiet supporters at home. In short GFZ, the team and the supporters all need to up their game. If we do the next two games at home are eminently winnable Chris the Vic
  • Score: 4

7:28pm Sun 1 Dec 13

JohnnyBarnes says...

MJ1 wrote:
I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club
"Overseas mercaneries and uncommitted loanees"

Disagree. Massively.

I see heart from the likes of Forestieri, Abdi, Cassetti, Almunia, Ekstrand, Battocchio and Pudil that I never saw from players like Marlon King, Mike Williamson, Ashley Young, David Connolly... I could go on.

Please don't be naive enough to think that 'foreign' = uncommitted.
We've had plenty of home-grown and/or British players who have got half an eye on achieving for us so that they can progress elsewhere - and there's nothing at all wrong with that, they only get one playing career - but you need to look at the individual, not where they've come from.
[quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club[/p][/quote]"Overseas mercaneries and uncommitted loanees" Disagree. Massively. I see heart from the likes of Forestieri, Abdi, Cassetti, Almunia, Ekstrand, Battocchio and Pudil that I never saw from players like Marlon King, Mike Williamson, Ashley Young, David Connolly... I could go on. Please don't be naive enough to think that 'foreign' = uncommitted. We've had plenty of home-grown and/or British players who have got half an eye on achieving for us so that they can progress elsewhere - and there's nothing at all wrong with that, they only get one playing career - but you need to look at the individual, not where they've come from. JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 16

7:29pm Sun 1 Dec 13

bigthunder says...

whatever camp you are in Zola in or out it has certainly been a season so far that was not expected

Started decent good pre season then Abdi gets injured vs Blackpool a game we somehow lost despite being sensational in first half rememeber ince comments alone ,where Abdi ran the show we should have been 3 or 4 up at HT , In that first half we had an early penalty , deeney took the penalty and missed which caused some concerns because Abdi who has never missed a penalty and was our penalty taker was on the field but got overruled by deeney who took the pen and missed ,Abdi has not played since ,now there is rumours of dressing room unrest , focus on coaching team changes and the managers now ever confusing and worrying statements just like these

from a week ago of

"The perception is we are doing badly we are not "

to a week later

Zola admits "watford are in crisis"

strange times and some strong leadership both on and off the field is needed and quick !!

And Mr Nani if you are head of player recruitment how you have not resolved our lack of strikers needs some explaining last time i looked goals win games when did we last score one ?
whatever camp you are in Zola in or out it has certainly been a season so far that was not expected Started decent good pre season then Abdi gets injured vs Blackpool a game we somehow lost despite being sensational in first half rememeber ince comments alone ,where Abdi ran the show we should have been 3 or 4 up at HT , In that first half we had an early penalty , deeney took the penalty and missed which caused some concerns because Abdi who has never missed a penalty and was our penalty taker was on the field but got overruled by deeney who took the pen and missed ,Abdi has not played since ,now there is rumours of dressing room unrest , focus on coaching team changes and the managers now ever confusing and worrying statements just like these from a week ago of "The perception is we are doing badly we are not " to a week later Zola admits "watford are in crisis" strange times and some strong leadership both on and off the field is needed and quick !! And Mr Nani if you are head of player recruitment how you have not resolved our lack of strikers needs some explaining last time i looked goals win games when did we last score one ? bigthunder
  • Score: 10

7:31pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Abbots hornet says...

We all know what a tough league the championship is.Last year we were a surprise package but we had pace up front and a brilliant midfield Abdi cholobah and Hogg.This year we have none of that.We also have a centre forward who thinks he is better than he actually is.Yesterday we must have had 15 corners all headed away by committed defenders.if we are put under pressure I don't have confidence in us surviving15 corners cos we dont have the ability to do this.You have to mix it in this league we have NO leaders on the park NO organisers.We must deal with this quickly we still have excellent players stupid having Almunia as captain stupid playing him last week at all if he was Ill
Ekstrand is a liability this year I'm afraid, Hall is a proper championship player get him in Nyron and Angella as the other 2

Let's get a decent experienced midfielder (a Eustace type) forget Thorne or McEachran Iriney and Smith it's sideways or backwards then sideways and backwards again with all of these.We have to change cos every team will play us same way.

Up front Deeney was outgunned by a tough defender who managed to score himself.

What I'm trying to say is we are getting to be a soft touch full of players who don't seem bothered cmon Zola more than one string is required to our bowWake up before its too late.
We all know what a tough league the championship is.Last year we were a surprise package but we had pace up front and a brilliant midfield Abdi cholobah and Hogg.This year we have none of that.We also have a centre forward who thinks he is better than he actually is.Yesterday we must have had 15 corners all headed away by committed defenders.if we are put under pressure I don't have confidence in us surviving15 corners cos we dont have the ability to do this.You have to mix it in this league we have NO leaders on the park NO organisers.We must deal with this quickly we still have excellent players stupid having Almunia as captain stupid playing him last week at all if he was Ill Ekstrand is a liability this year I'm afraid, Hall is a proper championship player get him in Nyron and Angella as the other 2 Let's get a decent experienced midfielder (a Eustace type) forget Thorne or McEachran Iriney and Smith it's sideways or backwards then sideways and backwards again with all of these.We have to change cos every team will play us same way. Up front Deeney was outgunned by a tough defender who managed to score himself. What I'm trying to say is we are getting to be a soft touch full of players who don't seem bothered cmon Zola more than one string is required to our bowWake up before its too late. Abbots hornet
  • Score: 9

7:39pm Sun 1 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
Really wish you were speechless
What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker.

The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly!

Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola.

Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do!
Rog, have you had a good day. Must be worn out with all that typing and thinking up new insults for so many people across so many threads. Do you actually go to the games or does the nurse update you.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change![/p][/quote]Really wish you were speechless[/p][/quote]What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker. The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly! Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola. Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do![/p][/quote]Rog, have you had a good day. Must be worn out with all that typing and thinking up new insults for so many people across so many threads. Do you actually go to the games or does the nurse update you. anywayasiwasaying
  • Score: 6

7:40pm Sun 1 Dec 13

stiffler99 says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
MJ1 wrote:
I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club
"Overseas mercaneries and uncommitted loanees"

Disagree. Massively.

I see heart from the likes of Forestieri, Abdi, Cassetti, Almunia, Ekstrand, Battocchio and Pudil that I never saw from players like Marlon King, Mike Williamson, Ashley Young, David Connolly... I could go on.

Please don't be naive enough to think that 'foreign' = uncommitted.
We've had plenty of home-grown and/or British players who have got half an eye on achieving for us so that they can progress elsewhere - and there's nothing at all wrong with that, they only get one playing career - but you need to look at the individual, not where they've come from.
Totally agree with you JB. I believe our talent and endeavour wil see us out.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club[/p][/quote]"Overseas mercaneries and uncommitted loanees" Disagree. Massively. I see heart from the likes of Forestieri, Abdi, Cassetti, Almunia, Ekstrand, Battocchio and Pudil that I never saw from players like Marlon King, Mike Williamson, Ashley Young, David Connolly... I could go on. Please don't be naive enough to think that 'foreign' = uncommitted. We've had plenty of home-grown and/or British players who have got half an eye on achieving for us so that they can progress elsewhere - and there's nothing at all wrong with that, they only get one playing career - but you need to look at the individual, not where they've come from.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you JB. I believe our talent and endeavour wil see us out. stiffler99
  • Score: 7

8:02pm Sun 1 Dec 13

coldplay says...

SAHornet wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
santa-says wrote:
Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose!

This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.
We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six?

Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team!
Roger, dear fella. Calm yourself down. You're making a bit of a tit of yourself on here. Particularly your comments last night on the match report thread. There's a lot of hypocrisy in your comments. Moreover there's an underlying tone of frustration, unhappiness and immaturity. I can handle that coming from a teenager, or a child, but with a name like Roger I would hazard a guess you're at least 45. Therapy would probably help you. It can help channel your negative energy and help you see things from a more rational perspective. With that new found rationality and release of pent up frustration you'll probably find yourself more capable of reasoned comment and discussion with other adults, even if their opinions are polar opposite to yours. With therapy, you should start to find inner happiness, and with that perhaps you will not feel the need to insult, patronise or offend others with derogatory comments and be able to accept that those with different opinions are neither losers, nor deluded. Insulting others using the anonymity of a message board will certainly help you feel better about yourself in the short term, but not the long term.
You can heed my advice and look to better yourself as a person.....or you could carry on as you are and be a total helmet for the rest of your life.
Haha, priceless Dr. Stoney. Book me in for my 9.30 appointment tomorrow morning will you?
Thank you Stoney. I did my best with him last night but we were just unable to connect and achieve any sort of meaningful dialogue.....really can't understand why!!. Watch out for the men in dark suits my friend
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]santa-says[/bold] wrote: Having had the time to reflect on the disaster of yesterday and Zola's post match comments - I am pleased we have a manager who speaks the truth, history has not been kind to him, was it not around this time when things went wrong for him at West Ham? I hope he can return to his playing principles as we love them, and get away from the hoofing mentality.........at least then we can enjoy sexy football again, even if we lose! This will be a very big week Gianfranco, we'll be with you still, keep faith with your principles.[/p][/quote]We can play sexy football again even if we lose, how old are you - six? Its evident some of the fans on here are losers in life and like losers running the team![/p][/quote]Roger, dear fella. Calm yourself down. You're making a bit of a tit of yourself on here. Particularly your comments last night on the match report thread. There's a lot of hypocrisy in your comments. Moreover there's an underlying tone of frustration, unhappiness and immaturity. I can handle that coming from a teenager, or a child, but with a name like Roger I would hazard a guess you're at least 45. Therapy would probably help you. It can help channel your negative energy and help you see things from a more rational perspective. With that new found rationality and release of pent up frustration you'll probably find yourself more capable of reasoned comment and discussion with other adults, even if their opinions are polar opposite to yours. With therapy, you should start to find inner happiness, and with that perhaps you will not feel the need to insult, patronise or offend others with derogatory comments and be able to accept that those with different opinions are neither losers, nor deluded. Insulting others using the anonymity of a message board will certainly help you feel better about yourself in the short term, but not the long term. You can heed my advice and look to better yourself as a person.....or you could carry on as you are and be a total helmet for the rest of your life.[/p][/quote]Haha, priceless Dr. Stoney. Book me in for my 9.30 appointment tomorrow morning will you?[/p][/quote]Thank you Stoney. I did my best with him last night but we were just unable to connect and achieve any sort of meaningful dialogue.....really can't understand why!!. Watch out for the men in dark suits my friend coldplay
  • Score: 4

8:08pm Sun 1 Dec 13

paultheshrink says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up
Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks.

I must therefore not be allowed to speak.
I made an 800 mile round trip for this one, and you are bang out of order.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up[/p][/quote]Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks. I must therefore not be allowed to speak.[/p][/quote]I made an 800 mile round trip for this one, and you are bang out of order. paultheshrink
  • Score: 5

8:09pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Gash69 says...

15minutes wrote:
So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?"
Be careful what you wish for !
[quote][p][bold]15minutes[/bold] wrote: So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?"[/p][/quote]Be careful what you wish for ! Gash69
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Sun 1 Dec 13

paultheshrink says...

stiffler99 wrote:
Football fans have short memories and we all have our favourites. I am surprised how many people have been having a go at Deeney. Granted he has not always been on top form this season but he works extremely hard and unlike last season where up to January at least he had a fantastic partnership with Vydra he has no link up with anyone. Forrestiieri is a very skilfully player and entertaining to watch. He too works very hard but there are just so many times when he is nowhere near Deeney and he just will not pass the ball. I don't think Acura is the answer and although Fabbrini also appears to be very skilful he was poor yesterday and lost possession many times. We need a better partner for Deeney.
I am really concerned about Deeneys role in the current dire situation. I watched him a lot in the second half yesterday, and he just seemed to shamble a few steps forwards, then gently stroll back, amble to his right then amble to his left. I'm not saying that he doesn't have his qualities - he does, but hard graft when the chips are down doesn't seem to be one of them.
[quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: Football fans have short memories and we all have our favourites. I am surprised how many people have been having a go at Deeney. Granted he has not always been on top form this season but he works extremely hard and unlike last season where up to January at least he had a fantastic partnership with Vydra he has no link up with anyone. Forrestiieri is a very skilfully player and entertaining to watch. He too works very hard but there are just so many times when he is nowhere near Deeney and he just will not pass the ball. I don't think Acura is the answer and although Fabbrini also appears to be very skilful he was poor yesterday and lost possession many times. We need a better partner for Deeney.[/p][/quote]I am really concerned about Deeneys role in the current dire situation. I watched him a lot in the second half yesterday, and he just seemed to shamble a few steps forwards, then gently stroll back, amble to his right then amble to his left. I'm not saying that he doesn't have his qualities - he does, but hard graft when the chips are down doesn't seem to be one of them. paultheshrink
  • Score: 5

8:49pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

paultheshrink wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up
Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks.

I must therefore not be allowed to speak.
I made an 800 mile round trip for this one, and you are bang out of order.
wibble wibble.
[quote][p][bold]paultheshrink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Hornet Cornet you don't even go to games so please shut up[/p][/quote]Yes you're right mate, I am not allowed to have an opinion as I don't do a 300 mile round trip with my toddler in tow every 2 weeks. I must therefore not be allowed to speak.[/p][/quote]I made an 800 mile round trip for this one, and you are bang out of order.[/p][/quote]wibble wibble. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -3

9:10pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Pottenendhorn says...

Doctor of Letters wrote:
As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters.

Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.
Totally agree. By his own words Zola knows he is under pressure and needs to turn things around. However I don't think the supporters turning on him and the team will help in any way. The opposition should be the other teams and supporters in the Championship. Remember Zola and The Pozzos have taken the club a long way in a very short space of time. We have injuries in key positions and the team has been chopped and changed as a result. The players are good enough and will come good in time. You can't get promoted in November it is all about the next 6 months. Let's stay positive and remember we are SUPPORTERS.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor of Letters[/bold] wrote: As a supporter since 1973, I'm embarrassed & ashamed at the infantilism, spite & ignorance shown by so many that post upon this site. Three months ago you claimed to worship Mr Zola; & now he's the devil incarnate. You are shabby & shallow, & have no right to think of yourselves as Watford supporters. Perhaps the good grace & intelligence that once marked this Club disappeared forever with the demolition of the main stand.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. By his own words Zola knows he is under pressure and needs to turn things around. However I don't think the supporters turning on him and the team will help in any way. The opposition should be the other teams and supporters in the Championship. Remember Zola and The Pozzos have taken the club a long way in a very short space of time. We have injuries in key positions and the team has been chopped and changed as a result. The players are good enough and will come good in time. You can't get promoted in November it is all about the next 6 months. Let's stay positive and remember we are SUPPORTERS. Pottenendhorn
  • Score: 9

10:03pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Gash69 wrote:
15minutes wrote:
So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?"
Be careful what you wish for !
I would like to apologise we do seem to have a lot of manic deluded fans many of them on here, they gang together like a flock of sheep.

Good luck to Derby but not as much as Watford, congrats on being 5th!
[quote][p][bold]Gash69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]15minutes[/bold] wrote: So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?"[/p][/quote]Be careful what you wish for ![/p][/quote]I would like to apologise we do seem to have a lot of manic deluded fans many of them on here, they gang together like a flock of sheep. Good luck to Derby but not as much as Watford, congrats on being 5th! rogeruk
  • Score: 0

10:06pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
Really wish you were speechless
What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker.

The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly!

Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola.

Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do!
Rog, have you had a good day. Must be worn out with all that typing and thinking up new insults for so many people across so many threads. Do you actually go to the games or does the nurse update you.
Like most on here you have written three sentences and said absolutely nothing, that's what frustrates me; blind loyalty and slavish behaviour not sensible individuals with thoughts of there own - get it now slave?
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change![/p][/quote]Really wish you were speechless[/p][/quote]What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker. The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly! Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola. Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do![/p][/quote]Rog, have you had a good day. Must be worn out with all that typing and thinking up new insults for so many people across so many threads. Do you actually go to the games or does the nurse update you.[/p][/quote]Like most on here you have written three sentences and said absolutely nothing, that's what frustrates me; blind loyalty and slavish behaviour not sensible individuals with thoughts of there own - get it now slave? rogeruk
  • Score: -7

10:07pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Abbots hornet wrote:
We all know what a tough league the championship is.Last year we were a surprise package but we had pace up front and a brilliant midfield Abdi cholobah and Hogg.This year we have none of that.We also have a centre forward who thinks he is better than he actually is.Yesterday we must have had 15 corners all headed away by committed defenders.if we are put under pressure I don't have confidence in us surviving15 corners cos we dont have the ability to do this.You have to mix it in this league we have NO leaders on the park NO organisers.We must deal with this quickly we still have excellent players stupid having Almunia as captain stupid playing him last week at all if he was Ill
Ekstrand is a liability this year I'm afraid, Hall is a proper championship player get him in Nyron and Angella as the other 2

Let's get a decent experienced midfielder (a Eustace type) forget Thorne or McEachran Iriney and Smith it's sideways or backwards then sideways and backwards again with all of these.We have to change cos every team will play us same way.

Up front Deeney was outgunned by a tough defender who managed to score himself.

What I'm trying to say is we are getting to be a soft touch full of players who don't seem bothered cmon Zola more than one string is required to our bowWake up before its too late.
Good Post!
[quote][p][bold]Abbots hornet[/bold] wrote: We all know what a tough league the championship is.Last year we were a surprise package but we had pace up front and a brilliant midfield Abdi cholobah and Hogg.This year we have none of that.We also have a centre forward who thinks he is better than he actually is.Yesterday we must have had 15 corners all headed away by committed defenders.if we are put under pressure I don't have confidence in us surviving15 corners cos we dont have the ability to do this.You have to mix it in this league we have NO leaders on the park NO organisers.We must deal with this quickly we still have excellent players stupid having Almunia as captain stupid playing him last week at all if he was Ill Ekstrand is a liability this year I'm afraid, Hall is a proper championship player get him in Nyron and Angella as the other 2 Let's get a decent experienced midfielder (a Eustace type) forget Thorne or McEachran Iriney and Smith it's sideways or backwards then sideways and backwards again with all of these.We have to change cos every team will play us same way. Up front Deeney was outgunned by a tough defender who managed to score himself. What I'm trying to say is we are getting to be a soft touch full of players who don't seem bothered cmon Zola more than one string is required to our bowWake up before its too late.[/p][/quote]Good Post! rogeruk
  • Score: 1

10:12pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

stiffler99 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
stiffler99 wrote:
Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us .

It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip.
This is just a minor blip! What have you had a lobotomy?
I am just not prone to knee-jerk reactions. I guess you feel that the season will be an absolute disaster if we don't get promoted this season.
Its not a knee jerk reaction to get a 20 year record of losses at home or lose to the bottom club 3-0 at home or get 5 points from the last 28.

You need to understand English a little bit better before resorting to clichés

Like the Pozzos I will be very upset if we don't get promoted this year and for that I blame and will blame the one person responsible the football manager Zola who is responsible for all the results both good and bad.

You see unlike you I understand responsibility and what goes with it you don't!
[quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: Every fan has an opinion and thinks they can manage their team better. I thought Watford played some pretty good football today as indeed they did last week. Unfortunately it is the fact that they can make no impact where it counts and, as they have always been vulnerable at the back the score lines go against us . It is very frustrating but the fans who call for the sacking of Zola are more embarrassing than today's scoreline. Be careful what you wish for. I grant you that Zola needs to change things around. Different gameplan, tactics, formation but compared to some of the dross we have seen in past years these are exciting times. Get behind Zola and the team. This is just a minor blip.[/p][/quote]This is just a minor blip! What have you had a lobotomy?[/p][/quote]I am just not prone to knee-jerk reactions. I guess you feel that the season will be an absolute disaster if we don't get promoted this season.[/p][/quote]Its not a knee jerk reaction to get a 20 year record of losses at home or lose to the bottom club 3-0 at home or get 5 points from the last 28. You need to understand English a little bit better before resorting to clichés Like the Pozzos I will be very upset if we don't get promoted this year and for that I blame and will blame the one person responsible the football manager Zola who is responsible for all the results both good and bad. You see unlike you I understand responsibility and what goes with it you don't! rogeruk
  • Score: -7

10:14pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

bigthunder wrote:
whatever camp you are in Zola in or out it has certainly been a season so far that was not expected

Started decent good pre season then Abdi gets injured vs Blackpool a game we somehow lost despite being sensational in first half rememeber ince comments alone ,where Abdi ran the show we should have been 3 or 4 up at HT , In that first half we had an early penalty , deeney took the penalty and missed which caused some concerns because Abdi who has never missed a penalty and was our penalty taker was on the field but got overruled by deeney who took the pen and missed ,Abdi has not played since ,now there is rumours of dressing room unrest , focus on coaching team changes and the managers now ever confusing and worrying statements just like these

from a week ago of

"The perception is we are doing badly we are not "

to a week later

Zola admits "watford are in crisis"

strange times and some strong leadership both on and off the field is needed and quick !!

And Mr Nani if you are head of player recruitment how you have not resolved our lack of strikers needs some explaining last time i looked goals win games when did we last score one ?
Brilliant post!
[quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: whatever camp you are in Zola in or out it has certainly been a season so far that was not expected Started decent good pre season then Abdi gets injured vs Blackpool a game we somehow lost despite being sensational in first half rememeber ince comments alone ,where Abdi ran the show we should have been 3 or 4 up at HT , In that first half we had an early penalty , deeney took the penalty and missed which caused some concerns because Abdi who has never missed a penalty and was our penalty taker was on the field but got overruled by deeney who took the pen and missed ,Abdi has not played since ,now there is rumours of dressing room unrest , focus on coaching team changes and the managers now ever confusing and worrying statements just like these from a week ago of "The perception is we are doing badly we are not " to a week later Zola admits "watford are in crisis" strange times and some strong leadership both on and off the field is needed and quick !! And Mr Nani if you are head of player recruitment how you have not resolved our lack of strikers needs some explaining last time i looked goals win games when did we last score one ?[/p][/quote]Brilliant post! rogeruk
  • Score: -3

10:26pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

watford1881 wrote:
If Zola was to be sacked we'll have a foreign manager who we don't know as no British manager would work under the conditions Zola has been.. Zola has never been in charge of Watford FC football affairs.. Nani is like a dark shadow in the back ground.. Come into the light and take inboard your share of the blame.. Zola has been given players that Nani wants.. Watford fans open your eyes and see the truth and get behind Zola and tackle the man in the back ground...
If what you say is correct then Zola is an idiot to have taken the job.

His strongest position is knowing a club wants you as manager you have a great negotiating position before signing a contract; say what you want and what you will not tolerate. I think Zola doesn't understand company politics, not even his own senior management either nor the owners and certainly not the team!

If he has any chance of staying he needs to win at Burnley and Leeds and even then he needs to undergo a massive image change i.e... of being in charge.

I suspect he has to get rid of Deeny, who I believe is behind much of this trouble in the dressing room. Deeny is much like a dog if he senses fear he will show no mercy, especially because there are so many cultures and nationalities in the team. The team must be united off the field to be united on the field. Last season they were this season they are not!

Think the maturity of John Eustace is very badly missed in the dressing room as is the enthusiasm of Hogg. Two big mistakes by Zola for agreeing with his management to let them go!

Ferguson, Mourinho , Wenger and Moyes are hard men not nice men!
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: If Zola was to be sacked we'll have a foreign manager who we don't know as no British manager would work under the conditions Zola has been.. Zola has never been in charge of Watford FC football affairs.. Nani is like a dark shadow in the back ground.. Come into the light and take inboard your share of the blame.. Zola has been given players that Nani wants.. Watford fans open your eyes and see the truth and get behind Zola and tackle the man in the back ground...[/p][/quote]If what you say is correct then Zola is an idiot to have taken the job. His strongest position is knowing a club wants you as manager you have a great negotiating position before signing a contract; say what you want and what you will not tolerate. I think Zola doesn't understand company politics, not even his own senior management either nor the owners and certainly not the team! If he has any chance of staying he needs to win at Burnley and Leeds and even then he needs to undergo a massive image change i.e... of being in charge. I suspect he has to get rid of Deeny, who I believe is behind much of this trouble in the dressing room. Deeny is much like a dog if he senses fear he will show no mercy, especially because there are so many cultures and nationalities in the team. The team must be united off the field to be united on the field. Last season they were this season they are not! Think the maturity of John Eustace is very badly missed in the dressing room as is the enthusiasm of Hogg. Two big mistakes by Zola for agreeing with his management to let them go! Ferguson, Mourinho , Wenger and Moyes are hard men not nice men! rogeruk
  • Score: -1

10:27pm Sun 1 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.
Don't worry about the minus 24 all of them in the 'sheep club' banding together for security without a decent IQ even with all of them put together!
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: Zola is and never has been a good manager so now he's drowning without a clue what to do next. Sean Dyche must be chortling right now as we traded a perfectly good manager for a bad one. If that's not what some want to hear then you need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses for his terrible management decisions.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about the minus 24 all of them in the 'sheep club' banding together for security without a decent IQ even with all of them put together! rogeruk
  • Score: -10

10:29pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Meridenman says...

15minutes wrote:
So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?"
Ok so you obviously aren't getting any intellectual stimulation on your own fans chat forum, so you entered our discussion to try to improve your debating skills. Good move. Let's face it "rubbish" is relative! While accepting we are in danger of disappearing up our own backsides at times, you' ve moved up to 5th because you have a well organised home grown coach who is operating around the right level for his ability. The difficulty for us all is the next step up, remember hollow head - from his wembley triumph, he was 8 games from the sack! I wish you well, we will come back, with or without Zola and remember how this division has a strange way of biting you on the ar&&, look at us beating palace in the opening fixture and then what happened in the final championship game!
[quote][p][bold]15minutes[/bold] wrote: So happy right now. When we beat you 3:2 in your "stadium", there was post after post of Watford fans saying things like "There are two types of football in this division, sexy football and then the rubbish that Derby play"..."Wouldn't want to watch rubbish like Derby every week"...."How can we lose to a team like Derby?" I was annoyed because I've always liked Zola and I've wanted you to do well. But the multitude of comments slagging Derby off makes your latest loss very sweet as we move up to 5th. It seems that a short period of success has brought delusions of grandeur to some of your fans. So, was that your 4th straight loss at home? I might be wrong, "But how can you lose to a team like Yeovil?"[/p][/quote]Ok so you obviously aren't getting any intellectual stimulation on your own fans chat forum, so you entered our discussion to try to improve your debating skills. Good move. Let's face it "rubbish" is relative! While accepting we are in danger of disappearing up our own backsides at times, you' ve moved up to 5th because you have a well organised home grown coach who is operating around the right level for his ability. The difficulty for us all is the next step up, remember hollow head - from his wembley triumph, he was 8 games from the sack! I wish you well, we will come back, with or without Zola and remember how this division has a strange way of biting you on the ar&&, look at us beating palace in the opening fixture and then what happened in the final championship game! Meridenman
  • Score: 3

10:29pm Sun 1 Dec 13

buck-stops says...

Cmon rog. support the lads. you know it makes sense. i don't want a manager in who will stabilise us. i want someone special who can take us to the breathtaking levels of last year. And that man is still in the job.
Cmon rog. support the lads. you know it makes sense. i don't want a manager in who will stabilise us. i want someone special who can take us to the breathtaking levels of last year. And that man is still in the job. buck-stops
  • Score: 10

11:49pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

buck-stops wrote:
Cmon rog. support the lads. you know it makes sense. i don't want a manager in who will stabilise us. i want someone special who can take us to the breathtaking levels of last year. And that man is still in the job.
Agreed.

Roger, in the past you have made one or two insightful posts, but they seem like a distant memory. Now your insane keyboard warrior tactics have undermined any vague credibility you may have had.

Zola may or may not survive, but that decision will be taken by people who are reasonable, business-like, and who understand football. You have not shown any of those qualities in the last 36 hours. Are you Bassini in disguise?
[quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: Cmon rog. support the lads. you know it makes sense. i don't want a manager in who will stabilise us. i want someone special who can take us to the breathtaking levels of last year. And that man is still in the job.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Roger, in the past you have made one or two insightful posts, but they seem like a distant memory. Now your insane keyboard warrior tactics have undermined any vague credibility you may have had. Zola may or may not survive, but that decision will be taken by people who are reasonable, business-like, and who understand football. You have not shown any of those qualities in the last 36 hours. Are you Bassini in disguise? Bush Hornet
  • Score: 11

8:32am Mon 2 Dec 13

Essex Hornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
Abbots hornet wrote:
We all know what a tough league the championship is.Last year we were a surprise package but we had pace up front and a brilliant midfield Abdi cholobah and Hogg.This year we have none of that.We also have a centre forward who thinks he is better than he actually is.Yesterday we must have had 15 corners all headed away by committed defenders.if we are put under pressure I don't have confidence in us surviving15 corners cos we dont have the ability to do this.You have to mix it in this league we have NO leaders on the park NO organisers.We must deal with this quickly we still have excellent players stupid having Almunia as captain stupid playing him last week at all if he was Ill
Ekstrand is a liability this year I'm afraid, Hall is a proper championship player get him in Nyron and Angella as the other 2

Let's get a decent experienced midfielder (a Eustace type) forget Thorne or McEachran Iriney and Smith it's sideways or backwards then sideways and backwards again with all of these.We have to change cos every team will play us same way.

Up front Deeney was outgunned by a tough defender who managed to score himself.

What I'm trying to say is we are getting to be a soft touch full of players who don't seem bothered cmon Zola more than one string is required to our bowWake up before its too late.
Good Post!
You make some good well thought out comments.

One thing we all share in common apart from the Derby idot is that we want Watford to do well on and off the pitch. I've never managed a football team but I have managed people and know just how difficult it can be. You need many skills for people management and some have them and some don't. Zola is a really nice guy and was a brilliant footballer. However is he a good man manager?? I think the key is the people around him who are there to provide back up and support. My mate is a big West Ham fan and he and many others loved Zola but they all knew it was Steve Clarke his number two at the time who was pulling the strings and was Mr Nasty when the going got tough.

GFZ needs to toughen up and show a more ruthless side. He also needs to think a bit more about what he is saying to the press. Talk of crisis and loss of confidence is not great for motivating a team when things are bad. Football is a results business so if he doesn't start to turn it round soon he will be shown the door. The Pozzo's have shown at their other clubs that they can be ruthless when they need to be so I can only see him being given so much time.

In the meantime let's all get behind GFZ and the boys and hope they can pull something out of the bag against Burnely on Tuesday.

I
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abbots hornet[/bold] wrote: We all know what a tough league the championship is.Last year we were a surprise package but we had pace up front and a brilliant midfield Abdi cholobah and Hogg.This year we have none of that.We also have a centre forward who thinks he is better than he actually is.Yesterday we must have had 15 corners all headed away by committed defenders.if we are put under pressure I don't have confidence in us surviving15 corners cos we dont have the ability to do this.You have to mix it in this league we have NO leaders on the park NO organisers.We must deal with this quickly we still have excellent players stupid having Almunia as captain stupid playing him last week at all if he was Ill Ekstrand is a liability this year I'm afraid, Hall is a proper championship player get him in Nyron and Angella as the other 2 Let's get a decent experienced midfielder (a Eustace type) forget Thorne or McEachran Iriney and Smith it's sideways or backwards then sideways and backwards again with all of these.We have to change cos every team will play us same way. Up front Deeney was outgunned by a tough defender who managed to score himself. What I'm trying to say is we are getting to be a soft touch full of players who don't seem bothered cmon Zola more than one string is required to our bowWake up before its too late.[/p][/quote]Good Post![/p][/quote]You make some good well thought out comments. One thing we all share in common apart from the Derby idot is that we want Watford to do well on and off the pitch. I've never managed a football team but I have managed people and know just how difficult it can be. You need many skills for people management and some have them and some don't. Zola is a really nice guy and was a brilliant footballer. However is he a good man manager?? I think the key is the people around him who are there to provide back up and support. My mate is a big West Ham fan and he and many others loved Zola but they all knew it was Steve Clarke his number two at the time who was pulling the strings and was Mr Nasty when the going got tough. GFZ needs to toughen up and show a more ruthless side. He also needs to think a bit more about what he is saying to the press. Talk of crisis and loss of confidence is not great for motivating a team when things are bad. Football is a results business so if he doesn't start to turn it round soon he will be shown the door. The Pozzo's have shown at their other clubs that they can be ruthless when they need to be so I can only see him being given so much time. In the meantime let's all get behind GFZ and the boys and hope they can pull something out of the bag against Burnely on Tuesday. I Essex Hornet
  • Score: 5

8:55am Mon 2 Dec 13

dorphil says...

It's a fine line between success and failure.look at Brighton and Middlesbrough four points lost that should have not been. The back of woods head gave Leicester head start Almunias error against Bolton.
The ref plays 3 mins extra against Yeovil instead of 1 and they score. Things are going against but I would not be surprised if we get 4 points against burnley and Leeds
It's a fine line between success and failure.look at Brighton and Middlesbrough four points lost that should have not been. The back of woods head gave Leicester head start Almunias error against Bolton. The ref plays 3 mins extra against Yeovil instead of 1 and they score. Things are going against but I would not be surprised if we get 4 points against burnley and Leeds dorphil
  • Score: 3

9:02am Mon 2 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Poppet Bear wrote:
I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!!
GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!!
You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change!
Really wish you were speechless
What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker.

The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly!

Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola.

Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do!
Rog, have you had a good day. Must be worn out with all that typing and thinking up new insults for so many people across so many threads. Do you actually go to the games or does the nurse update you.
Like most on here you have written three sentences and said absolutely nothing, that's what frustrates me; blind loyalty and slavish behaviour not sensible individuals with thoughts of there own - get it now slave?
Don't agree actually - only wrote two sentences. Don't get frustrated because only two people on the planet share your views....accept it and move on, I know you can do it. Anyway you didn't answer the question - do you go to games or does the nurse update you? Best wishes and enjoy the day.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppet Bear[/bold] wrote: I don't like our results and league position any more than anybody else but this scramble to keep sacking managers is gut reaction stuff !!! GFZ can only work with what he's given, remember he's only the Coach. The Pozzo's , who everybody raves about, haven't given him half the quality of squad he had last year. Not only has he had to deal with many new players again but has had to change the style of play completely. We may not achieve promotion this year but some of this animosity should be channelled in the direction of other members of staff. Particularly the ones who recruit players.IMO !!![/p][/quote]You obviously have no idea of managment, A football manager can be as weak as Zola or as strong as Fergie. Depends on the indivdual. I am speechless with regard to the level of crap these supporters will take before something has to change![/p][/quote]Really wish you were speechless[/p][/quote]What for speaking the truth and not hiding like you. The manager is crucial he not only has to manage the club and players he has to manage the owners as well, if he has got players forced on him he doesn't want then he is weak, not only with the owners and directors but I suspect in the dressing room with the likes of Deny who I believe is a troublemaker. The only person resposnisble for this situation is Zola full stop! Have you seen his comments today? We will continue to work hard it is the only thing I know - exactly! Zola superb footballer crap manager. Last season's footbal was almost certainly down to Zola's No 2 not Zola. Zola had two solid gold opprotunities to get watford promoted last season, however, Zola managed to turn triumph into disaster not an easy thing to do![/p][/quote]Rog, have you had a good day. Must be worn out with all that typing and thinking up new insults for so many people across so many threads. Do you actually go to the games or does the nurse update you.[/p][/quote]Like most on here you have written three sentences and said absolutely nothing, that's what frustrates me; blind loyalty and slavish behaviour not sensible individuals with thoughts of there own - get it now slave?[/p][/quote]Don't agree actually - only wrote two sentences. Don't get frustrated because only two people on the planet share your views....accept it and move on, I know you can do it. Anyway you didn't answer the question - do you go to games or does the nurse update you? Best wishes and enjoy the day. anywayasiwasaying
  • Score: 3

9:48am Mon 2 Dec 13

DavidM says...

If you take the spine out of a team,( Abdi, Hogg, Chalobah,Vydra) and lose key players to injury,( Angella,Doyley,Anya) what do you expect? Fabbrini would have been brilliant in the playground as a 10 year old but is very easy to play against.He will never make the grade at this letter but may score the odd good goal. Deeney may be in poor form, but what happened to the idea of forwards hunting together with n imaginary rope no longer than 20 yards between them. Too often Forrestieri ,Fabbrini et al run away from him when we have the ball, so he is isolated. As for Acuna, I could mark him and I'm over sixty!
If you take the spine out of a team,( Abdi, Hogg, Chalobah,Vydra) and lose key players to injury,( Angella,Doyley,Anya) what do you expect? Fabbrini would have been brilliant in the playground as a 10 year old but is very easy to play against.He will never make the grade at this letter but may score the odd good goal. Deeney may be in poor form, but what happened to the idea of forwards hunting together with n imaginary rope no longer than 20 yards between them. Too often Forrestieri ,Fabbrini et al run away from him when we have the ball, so he is isolated. As for Acuna, I could mark him and I'm over sixty! DavidM
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

watford1881 wrote:
If Zola was to be sacked we'll have a foreign manager who we don't know as no British manager would work under the conditions Zola has been.. Zola has never been in charge of Watford FC football affairs.. Nani is like a dark shadow in the back ground.. Come into the light and take inboard your share of the blame.. Zola has been given players that Nani wants.. Watford fans open your eyes and see the truth and get behind Zola and tackle the man in the back ground...
Totally agree with this, it's time to start earning the £240K salary. Nani, the man who failed to deliver last January so we ended up with Briggs, and spent the Summer persuading McGugan to sign, identifying Iriney and Acuna as star turns, and other such master strokes.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: If Zola was to be sacked we'll have a foreign manager who we don't know as no British manager would work under the conditions Zola has been.. Zola has never been in charge of Watford FC football affairs.. Nani is like a dark shadow in the back ground.. Come into the light and take inboard your share of the blame.. Zola has been given players that Nani wants.. Watford fans open your eyes and see the truth and get behind Zola and tackle the man in the back ground...[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this, it's time to start earning the £240K salary. Nani, the man who failed to deliver last January so we ended up with Briggs, and spent the Summer persuading McGugan to sign, identifying Iriney and Acuna as star turns, and other such master strokes. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 2

12:27pm Mon 2 Dec 13

MIBSWE says...

For those that want Zola sacked, all I will say is , we'll be going through a lot of Managers then if we start sacking everytime we go through a bad period. It may work for Chelsea, but we don't have that financial backing to hide behind.

For the true supporters, we have to remind ourselves where we were Before the Pozzos came and where we would have been had they NOT bought WFC. Last season set the bar high for this season and while we're all very disappointed with the current crisis, we're still 10th, we have some good players that we could not normally afford, we don't have to sell our best players in january, May....the attaendances are up, we will replace that horrible old stand, we have a good chance in the not too distant future of getting to the PL, we have Communication from the Directors but most of all, we have a FUTURE!! Ask Luton fans where they would rather be...where they are now or having a crisis in 10th Place in the Championship.

The Pozzos will judge the situation and make the right decision based on their experience in getting small clubs in to the top Leagues. For me, unless there's a real chance of being relegated, Zola should be judged at the end of the season. Who would we replace him with? Some other manager that has been sacked probably. We won't attract a top manager....maybe a foreign manaager again. But in essence, in POZZOs I entrust our future!
For those that want Zola sacked, all I will say is , we'll be going through a lot of Managers then if we start sacking everytime we go through a bad period. It may work for Chelsea, but we don't have that financial backing to hide behind. For the true supporters, we have to remind ourselves where we were Before the Pozzos came and where we would have been had they NOT bought WFC. Last season set the bar high for this season and while we're all very disappointed with the current crisis, we're still 10th, we have some good players that we could not normally afford, we don't have to sell our best players in january, May....the attaendances are up, we will replace that horrible old stand, we have a good chance in the not too distant future of getting to the PL, we have Communication from the Directors but most of all, we have a FUTURE!! Ask Luton fans where they would rather be...where they are now or having a crisis in 10th Place in the Championship. The Pozzos will judge the situation and make the right decision based on their experience in getting small clubs in to the top Leagues. For me, unless there's a real chance of being relegated, Zola should be judged at the end of the season. Who would we replace him with? Some other manager that has been sacked probably. We won't attract a top manager....maybe a foreign manaager again. But in essence, in POZZOs I entrust our future! MIBSWE
  • Score: 5

12:54pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Can you get simple mathematics into your skull? Harry's Bar
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Mon 2 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?
Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water.

In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield
Today is 2nd December
Zola has 23 points in total
Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points)
29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points
If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points
Total points for the season will be; 41 points
Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship.

If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford.

Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go!
The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?[/p][/quote]Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water. In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield Today is 2nd December Zola has 23 points in total Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points) 29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points Total points for the season will be; 41 points Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship. If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford. Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go! The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse! rogeruk
  • Score: -5

2:53pm Mon 2 Dec 13

mjrlloyd says...

Di Matteo spotted at the training ground today...
Di Matteo spotted at the training ground today... mjrlloyd
  • Score: 0

3:17pm Mon 2 Dec 13

ralear49 says...

I live overseas so take this what what it is worth without the option to attend games: Vydra and Chalobah departed, Abdi is out long term, Anya gets hurt every time he plays for Scotland, Deeney has disappeared as a threat. . Hoban has likely been a sore loss. Yes, they brought in mediocre mid-fieldersand not a striker., but is this all the manager's fault? Maybe everyone had stars in their eyes about quick promotion. We are lucky WFC is not in a lower tier due to bankrupcy. Maybe they just deserve some patience.
I live overseas so take this what what it is worth without the option to attend games: Vydra and Chalobah departed, Abdi is out long term, Anya gets hurt every time he plays for Scotland, Deeney has disappeared as a threat. . Hoban has likely been a sore loss. Yes, they brought in mediocre mid-fieldersand not a striker., but is this all the manager's fault? Maybe everyone had stars in their eyes about quick promotion. We are lucky WFC is not in a lower tier due to bankrupcy. Maybe they just deserve some patience. ralear49
  • Score: 3

3:18pm Mon 2 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

mjrlloyd wrote:
Di Matteo spotted at the training ground today...
Says who?
[quote][p][bold]mjrlloyd[/bold] wrote: Di Matteo spotted at the training ground today...[/p][/quote]Says who? SAHornet
  • Score: 0

3:48pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?
Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water.

In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield
Today is 2nd December
Zola has 23 points in total
Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points)
29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points
If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points
Total points for the season will be; 41 points
Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship.

If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford.

Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go!
The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse!
28 isn't divisible by 3, that's all I'm saying.

You've clearly spent way too much time round at Nigella's talcum powder parties.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?[/p][/quote]Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water. In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield Today is 2nd December Zola has 23 points in total Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points) 29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points Total points for the season will be; 41 points Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship. If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford. Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go! The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse![/p][/quote]28 isn't divisible by 3, that's all I'm saying. You've clearly spent way too much time round at Nigella's talcum powder parties. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 3

4:16pm Mon 2 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?
Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water.

In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield
Today is 2nd December
Zola has 23 points in total
Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points)
29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points
If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points
Total points for the season will be; 41 points
Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship.

If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford.

Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go!
The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse!
Yes, if we continue in the form of the last few games then we will be relegated. We won't continue this way though. If we continue as we have this season so far, we will be on 62 points, just outside the play-offs. If we only slightly improve then we will get into the play-offs and have another great shot of promotion.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?[/p][/quote]Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water. In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield Today is 2nd December Zola has 23 points in total Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points) 29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points Total points for the season will be; 41 points Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship. If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford. Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go! The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse![/p][/quote]Yes, if we continue in the form of the last few games then we will be relegated. We won't continue this way though. If we continue as we have this season so far, we will be on 62 points, just outside the play-offs. If we only slightly improve then we will get into the play-offs and have another great shot of promotion. 1234566789
  • Score: 1

6:31pm Mon 2 Dec 13

soulfulhornet says...

If we sacked GFZ, which I do not advocate, who would you appoint ?

Glenn Hoddle is not a bad shout, but his record post England is not that great with Spurs or Wolves. In fact only with Swindon and England did he do a great job - I think Chelsea fans would describe his tenure as mediocre.

But who else ?
Neil Warnock ? Owen Coyle ? Dave Jones ? Di Matteo ? Martin Jol ?

Those that are available are either uninspiring or if any good out of our price league. Di Matteo is probably still being paid by Chelsea, so we might have to match his Chelsea salary to tempt him. Is that feasible ?

I agree that our defensive coaching and organisation e.g at set pieces needs improving. It was poor last season but our goalscoring masked the frailties. It improved at the beginning of the season, but has regressed rapidly.

I would like to see a mentor like GT had with Bertie Mee and Aidy had with Keith Burtenshaw. Their contributions were invaluable in our most successful seasons. But who ?(racking my brains)

They would have preferably -
experience of the English leagues
command respect
be older say in their 60's and not want the day to day pressures of being the manager i.e not a threat to GFZ.
Be prepared to accept a relative modest salary in line with our wage structure

George Graham or someone with his stature in the game. Graham Taylor anyone!!!!!

Suggestions please.
If we sacked GFZ, which I do not advocate, who would you appoint ? Glenn Hoddle is not a bad shout, but his record post England is not that great with Spurs or Wolves. In fact only with Swindon and England did he do a great job - I think Chelsea fans would describe his tenure as mediocre. But who else ? Neil Warnock ? Owen Coyle ? Dave Jones ? Di Matteo ? Martin Jol ? Those that are available are either uninspiring or if any good out of our price league. Di Matteo is probably still being paid by Chelsea, so we might have to match his Chelsea salary to tempt him. Is that feasible ? I agree that our defensive coaching and organisation e.g at set pieces needs improving. It was poor last season but our goalscoring masked the frailties. It improved at the beginning of the season, but has regressed rapidly. I would like to see a mentor like GT had with Bertie Mee and Aidy had with Keith Burtenshaw. Their contributions were invaluable in our most successful seasons. But who ?(racking my brains) They would have preferably - experience of the English leagues command respect be older say in their 60's and not want the day to day pressures of being the manager i.e not a threat to GFZ. Be prepared to accept a relative modest salary in line with our wage structure George Graham or someone with his stature in the game. Graham Taylor anyone!!!!! Suggestions please. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Mon 2 Dec 13

soulfulhornet says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
MJ1 wrote: I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club
"Overseas mercaneries and uncommitted loanees" Disagree. Massively. I see heart from the likes of Forestieri, Abdi, Cassetti, Almunia, Ekstrand, Battocchio and Pudil that I never saw from players like Marlon King, Mike Williamson, Ashley Young, David Connolly... I could go on. Please don't be naive enough to think that 'foreign' = uncommitted. We've had plenty of home-grown and/or British players who have got half an eye on achieving for us so that they can progress elsewhere - and there's nothing at all wrong with that, they only get one playing career - but you need to look at the individual, not where they've come from.
Johnny agree totally. It is xenophobic to believe that overseas players aren't committed. Helgulson/ Nielson for example as well as our current crop. Heads are down as confidence is low. Nothing a couple of streaky wins won't put right
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: I have been watching Watford since standing on the terraces as a kid - 54 seasons in all. I'm Watford through and through, home and away. I will be at Elland Road next week.. Last season, at times, I watched some of the most skillful and exciting footbal I have ever watched from the golden boys but in my heart I felt it was a castle built on sand. We may have converted loanees into permanent signings to comply with new regs but these are still players who aspire to be playing elsewhere. They are not first choice for Udinese or Grenada; they are third choice Watford. We do not have balance in the squad. We have overseas mercenaries and uncommitted loanees. They appear to have no spirit to fight for the club. They leave the pitch with their heads down. A few ones of our own remain but they in and out of a side that has to be rotated to meet the needs of the owner's business model. Every succesful side needs of spine - a solid core - we don't have one. And now we have a manager, a lovely bloke, who has lost the plot and doesn't know what to do. I didn't want it to be like this and still don't but I fear for our club[/p][/quote]"Overseas mercaneries and uncommitted loanees" Disagree. Massively. I see heart from the likes of Forestieri, Abdi, Cassetti, Almunia, Ekstrand, Battocchio and Pudil that I never saw from players like Marlon King, Mike Williamson, Ashley Young, David Connolly... I could go on. Please don't be naive enough to think that 'foreign' = uncommitted. We've had plenty of home-grown and/or British players who have got half an eye on achieving for us so that they can progress elsewhere - and there's nothing at all wrong with that, they only get one playing career - but you need to look at the individual, not where they've come from.[/p][/quote]Johnny agree totally. It is xenophobic to believe that overseas players aren't committed. Helgulson/ Nielson for example as well as our current crop. Heads are down as confidence is low. Nothing a couple of streaky wins won't put right soulfulhornet
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Mon 2 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them.

HC
I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do.

None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table.

To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England!

I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things!
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them. HC[/p][/quote]I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do. None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table. To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England! I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things! rogeruk
  • Score: -1

7:07pm Mon 2 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?
Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water.

In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield
Today is 2nd December
Zola has 23 points in total
Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points)
29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points
If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points
Total points for the season will be; 41 points
Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship.

If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford.

Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go!
The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse!
Yes, if we continue in the form of the last few games then we will be relegated. We won't continue this way though. If we continue as we have this season so far, we will be on 62 points, just outside the play-offs. If we only slightly improve then we will get into the play-offs and have another great shot of promotion.
62 points is just outside the play offs! Its around 75 points in most seasons. As things stand there is no evidence to suggest a turn around by Zola who has been struggling for months!

Watford need 50 more points from 87 just to gen into the play offs which is a lottery and with Zola's history of the play off's and Wembley far from a certainty!
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?[/p][/quote]Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water. In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield Today is 2nd December Zola has 23 points in total Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points) 29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points Total points for the season will be; 41 points Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship. If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford. Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go! The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse![/p][/quote]Yes, if we continue in the form of the last few games then we will be relegated. We won't continue this way though. If we continue as we have this season so far, we will be on 62 points, just outside the play-offs. If we only slightly improve then we will get into the play-offs and have another great shot of promotion.[/p][/quote]62 points is just outside the play offs! Its around 75 points in most seasons. As things stand there is no evidence to suggest a turn around by Zola who has been struggling for months! Watford need 50 more points from 87 just to gen into the play offs which is a lottery and with Zola's history of the play off's and Wembley far from a certainty! rogeruk
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

Roger, I think your can of Special Brew and the park bench may listen but most people have given up reading what you have to say. I'm sorry.

Seriously, get help before it worsens.
Roger, I think your can of Special Brew and the park bench may listen but most people have given up reading what you have to say. I'm sorry. Seriously, get help before it worsens. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 2

7:47pm Mon 2 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?
Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water.

In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield
Today is 2nd December
Zola has 23 points in total
Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points)
29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points
If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points
Total points for the season will be; 41 points
Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship.

If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford.

Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go!
The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse!
Yes, if we continue in the form of the last few games then we will be relegated. We won't continue this way though. If we continue as we have this season so far, we will be on 62 points, just outside the play-offs. If we only slightly improve then we will get into the play-offs and have another great shot of promotion.
62 points is just outside the play offs! Its around 75 points in most seasons. As things stand there is no evidence to suggest a turn around by Zola who has been struggling for months!

Watford need 50 more points from 87 just to gen into the play offs which is a lottery and with Zola's history of the play off's and Wembley far from a certainty!
"Zola's history of the play-offs" - says it all about you!
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?[/p][/quote]Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water. In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield Today is 2nd December Zola has 23 points in total Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points) 29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points Total points for the season will be; 41 points Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship. If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford. Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go! The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse![/p][/quote]Yes, if we continue in the form of the last few games then we will be relegated. We won't continue this way though. If we continue as we have this season so far, we will be on 62 points, just outside the play-offs. If we only slightly improve then we will get into the play-offs and have another great shot of promotion.[/p][/quote]62 points is just outside the play offs! Its around 75 points in most seasons. As things stand there is no evidence to suggest a turn around by Zola who has been struggling for months! Watford need 50 more points from 87 just to gen into the play offs which is a lottery and with Zola's history of the play off's and Wembley far from a certainty![/p][/quote]"Zola's history of the play-offs" - says it all about you! 1234566789
  • Score: 2

7:58pm Mon 2 Dec 13

tommy gunn says...

I can understand peoples differing views on players performance on the pitch but when they come up with a certain player is a ' trouble maker ' how do they know these things, perhaps they should explain themselves or are they privy to some mole in the dressing room.?,
I can understand peoples differing views on players performance on the pitch but when they come up with a certain player is a ' trouble maker ' how do they know these things, perhaps they should explain themselves or are they privy to some mole in the dressing room.?, tommy gunn
  • Score: 0

8:05pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them.

HC
I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do.

None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table.

To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England!

I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things!
Lol
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them. HC[/p][/quote]I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do. None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table. To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England! I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things![/p][/quote]Lol Stoney77
  • Score: 0

12:34am Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them.

HC
I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do.

None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table.

To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England!

I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things!
Lol
There we have it in one - Stoney 77 writes lots of laughing! What else can he do? With the facts and case presented in articulate form, he is incapable of delivering a comeback! So he reverts to type - Up for a laugh tonight Stoney?
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them. HC[/p][/quote]I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do. None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table. To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England! I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things![/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]There we have it in one - Stoney 77 writes lots of laughing! What else can he do? With the facts and case presented in articulate form, he is incapable of delivering a comeback! So he reverts to type - Up for a laugh tonight Stoney? rogeruk
  • Score: 0

12:46am Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?
Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water.

In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield
Today is 2nd December
Zola has 23 points in total
Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points)
29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points
If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points
Total points for the season will be; 41 points
Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship.

If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford.

Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go!
The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse!
28 isn't divisible by 3, that's all I'm saying.

You've clearly spent way too much time round at Nigella's talcum powder parties.
It was a typing error obviously I meant 24, Pedantic so and so! Deal with the real issues which I have laid out in Black and White! Small things please small minds!

If Zola carries on making a bad situation worse a situation even worse, all of you worms will turn just like you all did against Bassini, when it was too late and the damage was done! Damage limitation is important, if Zola doesn't turn it around the situation now Watford could be back to a situation football wise worse than when Zola took over!

Some of us (not many) have got foresight to see the problem now. Given; it’s always a possibility Zola could turn it around by a miracle but about the same odds as any of you lot getting 6 numbers on a Saturday night on the Lotto!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Can you get simple mathematics into your skull?[/p][/quote]Another lobotomised lost soul. You’re watching too much 'X' factor and drinking too much Sodium Fluoride (Prozac) in your tap water. In fact the last away win (The last win|) was 5th October v Huddersfield Today is 2nd December Zola has 23 points in total Of the last 24 available he has taken only 5 (which equates to I in 5 points) 29 games left at 3 pts. = 87 points If current form continues Zola will get another 18 points Total points for the season will be; 41 points Conclusion not only certain relegation but finishing bottom of the championship. If relegated will be financially catastrophic for Watford. Your opinion is your opinion these are facts: This is why Zola has to go! The next two games away are Burnley and Leeds (both top 6) if Zola is still manager and loses those the number will be much worse![/p][/quote]28 isn't divisible by 3, that's all I'm saying. You've clearly spent way too much time round at Nigella's talcum powder parties.[/p][/quote]It was a typing error obviously I meant 24, Pedantic so and so! Deal with the real issues which I have laid out in Black and White! Small things please small minds! If Zola carries on making a bad situation worse a situation even worse, all of you worms will turn just like you all did against Bassini, when it was too late and the damage was done! Damage limitation is important, if Zola doesn't turn it around the situation now Watford could be back to a situation football wise worse than when Zola took over! Some of us (not many) have got foresight to see the problem now. Given; it’s always a possibility Zola could turn it around by a miracle but about the same odds as any of you lot getting 6 numbers on a Saturday night on the Lotto! rogeruk
  • Score: 0

9:46am Tue 3 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them.

HC
I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do.

None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table.

To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England!

I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things!
Lol
There we have it in one - Stoney 77 writes lots of laughing! What else can he do? With the facts and case presented in articulate form, he is incapable of delivering a comeback! So he reverts to type - Up for a laugh tonight Stoney?
actually, its LAUGH OUT LOUD...... Furthermore, I did actually present an articulate response to one of your posts on this thread, which it seems you decided to ignore or pretend that you hadnt seen. You did responded to pretty much everyone else with your own 'comeback' ,as you put it, but you didnt appear to be able to muster a come back to my post. And yes, I am up for a laugh tonight - at the pathetic deluded drivel that you will no doubt post on here, win lose or draw.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them. HC[/p][/quote]I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do. None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table. To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England! I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things![/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]There we have it in one - Stoney 77 writes lots of laughing! What else can he do? With the facts and case presented in articulate form, he is incapable of delivering a comeback! So he reverts to type - Up for a laugh tonight Stoney?[/p][/quote]actually, its LAUGH OUT LOUD...... Furthermore, I did actually present an articulate response to one of your posts on this thread, which it seems you decided to ignore or pretend that you hadnt seen. You did responded to pretty much everyone else with your own 'comeback' ,as you put it, but you didnt appear to be able to muster a come back to my post. And yes, I am up for a laugh tonight - at the pathetic deluded drivel that you will no doubt post on here, win lose or draw. Stoney77
  • Score: 2

10:47am Tue 3 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
buck-stops wrote:
The Family Cat wrote:
6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what!
6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.
Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?
What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?
Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them.

HC
I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do.

None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table.

To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England!

I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things!
Lol
There we have it in one - Stoney 77 writes lots of laughing! What else can he do? With the facts and case presented in articulate form, he is incapable of delivering a comeback! So he reverts to type - Up for a laugh tonight Stoney?
actually, its LAUGH OUT LOUD...... Furthermore, I did actually present an articulate response to one of your posts on this thread, which it seems you decided to ignore or pretend that you hadnt seen. You did responded to pretty much everyone else with your own 'comeback' ,as you put it, but you didnt appear to be able to muster a come back to my post. And yes, I am up for a laugh tonight - at the pathetic deluded drivel that you will no doubt post on here, win lose or draw.
Rog, have you had a good night. Great point from Stoney...in the main you completely ignore the valid points put forward by others and just go off on one - so sad. I have asked you several times do you actually go to games or does the nurse update you. Your defence of the obnoxious , insulting and pathetic stuff you post on here is that you are an individual with superior intellect and super powers and rest of us are sheep and slaves. Really Rog just take a little time to reflect and consider what you say in the future and consider how you can be a more influential and respected individual, who understands how to connect with people and not just be an aggresive and intolerant individual who's primary aim is to insult and belittle people whold hold different views and opinions to you. Think about it.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buck-stops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Family Cat[/bold] wrote: 6 games ago, I bought my beloved Watford home shirt.First time i'd bought a shirt in five years....effin Jonah or what![/p][/quote]6 games ago, no-one was talking about sacking the manager. We are very fickle. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Stop the knee jerk reactions. GZ has earned our support and right now he really needs it. This is why he came into management, to face this kind of challenge. Our problem is our home form - we're unbeaten in away.[/p][/quote]Umm... unbeaten away? Have you forgotten about Blackburn and Blackpool?[/p][/quote]What does it take to wake you up from your zombie sleep? 5 points from a possible 28 thats we we want the manager to go can you get that into your skull ?[/p][/quote]Thumbs up dude. One day soon we will be proved to be right and the dopey clappers will wonder what took them so long to realise what us two footballing gurus have been preaching to them. HC[/p][/quote]I view it as a compliment when we get such negative thumbs down after all that's what a flock of sheep do! They keep together for security thinking there is safety in numbers and when one jumps of the cliff they all do. None of them are capable of taking an individual stance and the 'brick bats' that goes with it. They are cowards, slavish and grateful for small scraps of the Pozzo’s table. To know why Britain is sinking so fast just read what this bunch of Watford sheep offer, slavish devotion with a sheep mentality. What are we now 29th in the European schools league of learning? Sinker faster than a stone, unfortunately, and it pains me as a real Englishman from centuries of ancestry in the South West of England’. to admit there is no more an England! I love Watford just like I love England I just detest those who are running the England into the ground. I am happy to have the Pozzo's as owners and applaud what they have done so far, I was a rabid critic of Bassini, I was constantly slated for it from these same bunch of sheep. I think the Pozzo's have made a mistake with Zola or at best he’s a 'stepping stone' to better things![/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]There we have it in one - Stoney 77 writes lots of laughing! What else can he do? With the facts and case presented in articulate form, he is incapable of delivering a comeback! So he reverts to type - Up for a laugh tonight Stoney?[/p][/quote]actually, its LAUGH OUT LOUD...... Furthermore, I did actually present an articulate response to one of your posts on this thread, which it seems you decided to ignore or pretend that you hadnt seen. You did responded to pretty much everyone else with your own 'comeback' ,as you put it, but you didnt appear to be able to muster a come back to my post. And yes, I am up for a laugh tonight - at the pathetic deluded drivel that you will no doubt post on here, win lose or draw.[/p][/quote]Rog, have you had a good night. Great point from Stoney...in the main you completely ignore the valid points put forward by others and just go off on one - so sad. I have asked you several times do you actually go to games or does the nurse update you. Your defence of the obnoxious , insulting and pathetic stuff you post on here is that you are an individual with superior intellect and super powers and rest of us are sheep and slaves. Really Rog just take a little time to reflect and consider what you say in the future and consider how you can be a more influential and respected individual, who understands how to connect with people and not just be an aggresive and intolerant individual who's primary aim is to insult and belittle people whold hold different views and opinions to you. Think about it. anywayasiwasaying
  • Score: 5

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