Watford lose fifth straight league game at Vicarage Road to Sheffield Wednesday

Watford Observer: Hornets' home horrors continue Hornets' home horrors continue

It is 23 years since Vicarage Road has seen anything comparable but that is how far you have to go back to find the last time Watford lost five consecutive home league games following their 1-0 defeat against Sheffield Wednesday this afternoon.

The only goal of the game came midway through the first half when Connor Wickham fired home a free-kick from 20 yards but the rest of the contest was all too familiar from the home side in their own back yard.

The Hornets had plenty of possession but as the game wore on their attacks became increasingly desperate and bereft of ideas as they struggled to break through the Owls’ organised ranks.

That said, Fernando Forestieri should still have equalised at the death as Wednesday celebrated their first away win of the season but the grim facts are this was Watford’s ninth game without a win and they have now failed to score in their last four home outings.

Gianfranco Zola made three changes to the team which started last weekend’s 3-3 draw at Leeds United as his side sought to end their run of four straight home defeats.

Fitz Hall made his first start since re-signing for the club in place of the suspended Joel Ekstrand, Marco Cassetti came in for Daniel Pudil at left-back and Lewis McGugan dropped to the bench in favour of Sean Murray.

Manuel Almunia hasd to settle for a place among the replacements after his illness and injury problems and there was more encouraging fitness news among the substitutes with the return of Gabriele Angella.

Caretaker boss Stuart Gray also made three changes from the Wednesday team that went down to a 1-0 defeat against Nottingham Forest last time out.

In came Reda Johnson – one of three Owls players with the same surname in their match-day 18 – Stephen McPhail and Jeremy Helan. Atdhe Nuhiu and Seyi Olofinjana both dropped to the bench but Joe Mattock was not involved.

The match got off to a relatively low key opening but the Hornets almost caught their opponents out with their first attack in the fourth minute.

Watford Observer:

A George Thorne pass from deep split the Owls rearguard and Ikechi Anya raced through from deep. He was taken to the right of goal by the pace on the ball but he was able to square across the six-yard box but Murray was unable to stretch and reach it and the opportunity went begging.

An even better chance came and went in the eighth minute when, after his first corner was blocked behind, Murray swung over another set-piece from the right but an unmarked Cassetti was unable to keep his header under the crossbar.

The Hornets continued to look the more composed of the two sides but little in the way of goalmouth action then happened until the 20th minute when Nyron Nosworthy’s ball forward from halfway picked out Anya in a central position on the edge of the penalty area. He turned away from Roger Johnson before trying a right-footed curler but his shot went wide of Damian Martinez’s left-hand upright.

Four minutes later though, the Hornets were behind.

Watford Observer:

The situation arose after Nosworthy was adjudged to have fouled Wickham around 20 yards to the left of centre. Wickham took the free-kick himself and blasted a fine right-footed strike past Jonathan Bond to make it 1-0.

It could easily have got worse for the home side on the half-hour when a mix-up at the back allowed Jacques Maghoma clean through but he was challenged from behind by Nosworthy. But referee Philip Gibbs adjudged that the centre-half had won the ball fairly.

The action soon switched to the other end with Murray bursting forward to almost get on the end of a pass and Anya firing wide before Roger Johnson became the first player to be booked after 32 minutes.

Watford Observer:

Watford thought they had levelled in the 40th minute when Anya got around the back of the defence on their blind side to convert Troy Deeney’s pass but it was ruled out for what looked to be a tight offside decision.

Another opening came and went for the home side in the last minute of the half when they built down the left before Bellerin came inside off the right to attack through the middle. His lay-off fell for Murray, who stepped inside before hitting a right-footed shot which the Wednesday keeper could only parry back into his area but Anya couldn’t get enough on the follow-up to beat Martinez.

Watford Observer:

The Hornets were out early for the second half but the home side looked like being forced into a change when Davide Faraoni was injured in a challenge with Helan. The right-back did manage to limp back to the dugouts but he was replaced by Diego Fabbrini, with Bellerin switching to right-back.

It took until the 63rd minute for either side to have their first attempt of the second period when Maghoma saw an effort from outside the area deflected though to Bond.

Cassetti and Cristian Battocchio had efforts blocked in quick succession at the other end as Watford tried to build up a head of steam and then Maghoma was booked for a trip on Fabbrini.

Zola made his second change in the 68th minute as Fernando Forestieri came on for Battocchio before Wickham became the third Wednesday player to be booked for a foul on Cassetti.

Watford Observer:

Olofinjana came on for McPhail with 15 minutes remaining as the hosts continued to have the majority of the possession but were finding it increasingly difficult to find a way through the Owls, who were content to keep numbers behind the ball.

However, an opening almost materialised in the 76th minute when Fabbrini crossed from the right but Forestieri and Anya rather got in each other’s way going for the delivery and the ball drifted behind.

Zola played his final card with ten minutes remaining when McGugan replaced Hall but the home side were looking increasingly bereft of attacking ideas, despite continuing to dictate the possession.

The opportunity Watford craved looked like it might arrive with six minutes remaining when Murray let fly and his shot was blocked broke for Fabbrini in the box, but his blushes at turning and firing over the top were spared by the linesman’s flag.

Five minutes of injury time afforded the Hornets hope but what happened in last minute of those very much summed up the hosts’ current Vicarage Road struggles.

Forestieri looked odds-on to score a last-gasp equaliser when he was slipped through by Fabbrini and left one-on-one against Martinez and the striker prodded the ball wide of the keeper but also the far post.

Watford Observer:

Watford: Bond; Faraoni (Fabbrini 51), Nosworthy, Hall (McGugan 81), Cassetti; Bellerin, Battocchio (Forestieri 68), Thorne, Murray, Anya; Deeney. Not used: Almunia, Angella, McEachran, Pudil.

Sheffield Wednesday: Martinez; Palmer, Roger Johnson, Loovens, Reda Johnson; Maghoma (McCabe 78), Palmer, Semedo, McPhail (Olofinjana 75), Helan; Wickham. Not used: Kirkland, J Johnson, Corry, Llera, Nuhiu.

Bookings: Roger Johnson for dissent (32); Maghoma for a foul on Fabbrini (67); Wickham for a foul on Cassetti (70); Helan for a foul (83).

Attendance: 15,476 (1,256 away).

Referee: Philip Gibbs.

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5:18pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Nordin's Hooter says...

Polar Express for Zola please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Polar Express for Zola please !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nordin's Hooter

5:19pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Peter_R says...

Let's hope we can starve off relegation, but at this point I have very serious doubts that we can.
Let's hope we can starve off relegation, but at this point I have very serious doubts that we can. Peter_R

5:22pm Sat 14 Dec 13

the jesterwestport says...

ugh!
ugh! the jesterwestport

5:23pm Sat 14 Dec 13

@julesmckenzie says...

The next few comments will be interesting. What excuses can be found now? I have stayed out of the bickering on here and given as many chances as I can.

What now?

To be fair Mr Z's last statement about identity and defence did it for me.
The next few comments will be interesting. What excuses can be found now? I have stayed out of the bickering on here and given as many chances as I can. What now? To be fair Mr Z's last statement about identity and defence did it for me. @julesmckenzie

5:23pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Poppet Bear says...

Absolutely unbelievable........
... !!!!!!!
It's like a horrible dream.
Absolutely unbelievable........ ... !!!!!!! It's like a horrible dream. Poppet Bear

5:25pm Sat 14 Dec 13

-Nightingale- says...

Zola has been given a fair chance. This is totally unacceptable. He has run outof ideas. Do the right thing and resign. We are now at increasing risk of being drawn into a relegation battle.
Zola has been given a fair chance. This is totally unacceptable. He has run outof ideas. Do the right thing and resign. We are now at increasing risk of being drawn into a relegation battle. -Nightingale-

5:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

-Nightingale- says...

@julesmckenzie wrote:
The next few comments will be interesting. What excuses can be found now? I have stayed out of the bickering on here and given as many chances as I can.

What now?

To be fair Mr Z's last statement about identity and defence did it for me.
I totally agree. After the two away games I thought they had turned a corner but after reading Zola's statement this morning I feared the worst. He doesn't seem to get it.
[quote][p][bold]@julesmckenzie[/bold] wrote: The next few comments will be interesting. What excuses can be found now? I have stayed out of the bickering on here and given as many chances as I can. What now? To be fair Mr Z's last statement about identity and defence did it for me.[/p][/quote]I totally agree. After the two away games I thought they had turned a corner but after reading Zola's statement this morning I feared the worst. He doesn't seem to get it. -Nightingale-

5:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bigmeuprudeboy says...

Oh look the best young striker outside the premier league has just scored his 16th of the season.

Assombalonga and Deeney would have been a decent partnership, 1.25m was a poor fee considering the 60m we would have got for getting promoted.

Those on her though that argued against this are so entrenched in there view now though that when he scores his 35th goal they will still say that selling our best young player since....

oh well when they sell him we get 50% on anything over the 1.25m, thats okay then, that was worth it! Yea much better than having a prolific young striker to get us promoted that we could sell for mega bucks in years to come.
Oh look the best young striker outside the premier league has just scored his 16th of the season. Assombalonga and Deeney would have been a decent partnership, 1.25m was a poor fee considering the 60m we would have got for getting promoted. Those on her though that argued against this are so entrenched in there view now though that when he scores his 35th goal they will still say that selling our best young player since.... oh well when they sell him we get 50% on anything over the 1.25m, thats okay then, that was worth it! Yea much better than having a prolific young striker to get us promoted that we could sell for mega bucks in years to come. bigmeuprudeboy

5:35pm Sat 14 Dec 13

steveherts says...

Time for a change now and this has gone on to long.
Time for a change now and this has gone on to long. steveherts

5:38pm Sat 14 Dec 13

JohnnyHornet says...

Totally clueless, inept and gutless, I said a few weeks ago the clock would start ticking if we didn't get 9 points ending with the Yeovil home game, 4 points from the last 9 games is appalling I am sorry to say that other teams would have sacked the manager by now, it hard to see that the board will not draw the same conclusions.
Totally clueless, inept and gutless, I said a few weeks ago the clock would start ticking if we didn't get 9 points ending with the Yeovil home game, 4 points from the last 9 games is appalling I am sorry to say that other teams would have sacked the manager by now, it hard to see that the board will not draw the same conclusions. JohnnyHornet

5:40pm Sat 14 Dec 13

ramage1996 says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
Oh look the best young striker outside the premier league has just scored his 16th of the season.

Assombalonga and Deeney would have been a decent partnership, 1.25m was a poor fee considering the 60m we would have got for getting promoted.

Those on her though that argued against this are so entrenched in there view now though that when he scores his 35th goal they will still say that selling our best young player since....

oh well when they sell him we get 50% on anything over the 1.25m, thats okay then, that was worth it! Yea much better than having a prolific young striker to get us promoted that we could sell for mega bucks in years to come.
I agree, there are two types regarding this though, those that have actually watched Assomabalonga and those that have not.

He is very most talented young player from our youth system since David James.

Is getting 50% of any fee over 1.25 million good enough?
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: Oh look the best young striker outside the premier league has just scored his 16th of the season. Assombalonga and Deeney would have been a decent partnership, 1.25m was a poor fee considering the 60m we would have got for getting promoted. Those on her though that argued against this are so entrenched in there view now though that when he scores his 35th goal they will still say that selling our best young player since.... oh well when they sell him we get 50% on anything over the 1.25m, thats okay then, that was worth it! Yea much better than having a prolific young striker to get us promoted that we could sell for mega bucks in years to come.[/p][/quote]I agree, there are two types regarding this though, those that have actually watched Assomabalonga and those that have not. He is very most talented young player from our youth system since David James. Is getting 50% of any fee over 1.25 million good enough? ramage1996

5:44pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Henry VIII says...

Four points from a possible 27. Relegation form obviously. It takes courage to fire a close friend and I never thought it might happen, but now I really do think that it probably will. I wouldn't come on here and slate what I believe is a very decent man, he does not deserve that. However, the fans equally deserve to see decent performances and they have been missing for a very longtime. We all know about the Pozzo ambitions for WFC, the reality is that if things do not change very quickly, we will be too far to even contemplate the playoffs and lucky to still be in this league, which I feel will be unacceptable to the owners. I can a change coming, which may well be a very sad day, yet a necessary one if their ambitions are to remain on track.
Four points from a possible 27. Relegation form obviously. It takes courage to fire a close friend and I never thought it might happen, but now I really do think that it probably will. I wouldn't come on here and slate what I believe is a very decent man, he does not deserve that. However, the fans equally deserve to see decent performances and they have been missing for a very longtime. We all know about the Pozzo ambitions for WFC, the reality is that if things do not change very quickly, we will be too far to even contemplate the playoffs and lucky to still be in this league, which I feel will be unacceptable to the owners. I can a change coming, which may well be a very sad day, yet a necessary one if their ambitions are to remain on track. Henry VIII

5:45pm Sat 14 Dec 13

the g man says...

How long until he's only five foot two he hasn't got a clue.......to play one striker at home against a team struggling at the bottom was criminal
How long until he's only five foot two he hasn't got a clue.......to play one striker at home against a team struggling at the bottom was criminal the g man

5:47pm Sat 14 Dec 13

andyhooked says...

Zola out. IF Plan A does not change the players and carry on with Plan A. Five home defeats with a line up that might get you an away draw. Dreadful, dreadful stuff. Very ordinary loanees as well does not help.
Zola out. IF Plan A does not change the players and carry on with Plan A. Five home defeats with a line up that might get you an away draw. Dreadful, dreadful stuff. Very ordinary loanees as well does not help. andyhooked

5:47pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hopemole says...

Sadly Zola is not a leader of men. he's a nice guy as we all know, but no one ever called Alex Ferguson a nice guy. H e doesn't seem to have a clue tactically or strategically or to be able to inspire players to give that extra. We have a talented pool of players, but he doesn't seem to know how best to use them. The signs first emerged last season when Hull sussed us at home and he had no tactical response. We also desperately need a midfield enforcer, a striker with the pace of Vydra and the creativity of Abdi back. I wonder how much difference the change in backroom staff has made. Gianfranco has no idea how to organise and coach a defence. Such a pity after the expectations raised by our mid season run last season. He's certainly not lucky either! The Anya goal should have stood. He was level
Sadly Zola is not a leader of men. he's a nice guy as we all know, but no one ever called Alex Ferguson a nice guy. H e doesn't seem to have a clue tactically or strategically or to be able to inspire players to give that extra. We have a talented pool of players, but he doesn't seem to know how best to use them. The signs first emerged last season when Hull sussed us at home and he had no tactical response. We also desperately need a midfield enforcer, a striker with the pace of Vydra and the creativity of Abdi back. I wonder how much difference the change in backroom staff has made. Gianfranco has no idea how to organise and coach a defence. Such a pity after the expectations raised by our mid season run last season. He's certainly not lucky either! The Anya goal should have stood. He was level Hopemole

5:49pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bristol hornet says...

Great players do not make great managers!!

ZOLA OUT!! ZOLA OUT!!

Nine games without a win.

Five successive home defeats and four of these without a single goal!!
And two of them to Yeovil and Sheff Wed from the bottom three!!

ZOLA OUT!! ZOLA OUT!!

Otherwise we will soon be in a relegation batlle!!
Great players do not make great managers!! ZOLA OUT!! ZOLA OUT!! Nine games without a win. Five successive home defeats and four of these without a single goal!! And two of them to Yeovil and Sheff Wed from the bottom three!! ZOLA OUT!! ZOLA OUT!! Otherwise we will soon be in a relegation batlle!! bristol hornet

5:54pm Sat 14 Dec 13

peter10531089 says...

Trying to be objective, which is hard after a fifth consecutive home defeat. We created more in the first twenty minutes with Anya running in behind than we had in the past three games combined but we looked like balloon punctured once the goal went in (the disallowed goal not withstanding).

The lack of cohesion in the second half, the poor decision making that led to the lack of fluidity and finally the lack of confidence are I am afraid the nails in Zola's confidence. We need someone to get hold of the dressing room and make bold purchases (or acquisitions from the pozzo pool) - 3CR interview with Zola sounds like he is resigned to going.

Sad that a lovely man who everyone would love to see succeed is unlikely to
Trying to be objective, which is hard after a fifth consecutive home defeat. We created more in the first twenty minutes with Anya running in behind than we had in the past three games combined but we looked like balloon punctured once the goal went in (the disallowed goal not withstanding). The lack of cohesion in the second half, the poor decision making that led to the lack of fluidity and finally the lack of confidence are I am afraid the nails in Zola's confidence. We need someone to get hold of the dressing room and make bold purchases (or acquisitions from the pozzo pool) - 3CR interview with Zola sounds like he is resigned to going. Sad that a lovely man who everyone would love to see succeed is unlikely to peter10531089

5:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bristol hornet says...

Having just heard the 3CR interview from Jon Marks with a very low spirited ZOLA, it seems that his resignation or SACKING is inevitable!!
Having just heard the 3CR interview from Jon Marks with a very low spirited ZOLA, it seems that his resignation or SACKING is inevitable!! bristol hornet

5:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

The Family Cat says...

Taxi for Gianfranco Zola!!
When I saw the line-up, I knew the inevitable...How on earth can you expect to win with one forward!
Enough is enough,
Taxi for Gianfranco Zola!! When I saw the line-up, I knew the inevitable...How on earth can you expect to win with one forward! Enough is enough, The Family Cat

5:59pm Sat 14 Dec 13

ForzaWatford says...

I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH! ForzaWatford

6:00pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bristol hornet says...

peter10531089 wrote:
Trying to be objective, which is hard after a fifth consecutive home defeat. We created more in the first twenty minutes with Anya running in behind than we had in the past three games combined but we looked like balloon punctured once the goal went in (the disallowed goal not withstanding).

The lack of cohesion in the second half, the poor decision making that led to the lack of fluidity and finally the lack of confidence are I am afraid the nails in Zola's confidence. We need someone to get hold of the dressing room and make bold purchases (or acquisitions from the pozzo pool) - 3CR interview with Zola sounds like he is resigned to going.

Sad that a lovely man who everyone would love to see succeed is unlikely to
Lovely man indeed, but lovely men do not make successful managers!

I think ZOLA has had enough time!

Bring in Neil Warnock if we want to salvage this season!
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: Trying to be objective, which is hard after a fifth consecutive home defeat. We created more in the first twenty minutes with Anya running in behind than we had in the past three games combined but we looked like balloon punctured once the goal went in (the disallowed goal not withstanding). The lack of cohesion in the second half, the poor decision making that led to the lack of fluidity and finally the lack of confidence are I am afraid the nails in Zola's confidence. We need someone to get hold of the dressing room and make bold purchases (or acquisitions from the pozzo pool) - 3CR interview with Zola sounds like he is resigned to going. Sad that a lovely man who everyone would love to see succeed is unlikely to[/p][/quote]Lovely man indeed, but lovely men do not make successful managers! I think ZOLA has had enough time! Bring in Neil Warnock if we want to salvage this season! bristol hornet

6:03pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bigdave8 says...

I'm not blaming Zola , Nani or the pozzo family .The Players are to blame for this, the softest in the football league ! They need to grow a pair, try jumping for a header and not sh1t themselves over a 50/50 challenge . The boys can all play football but that's the problem they are all boys against men today. All wages should be donated to the Watford peace hospice
I'm not blaming Zola , Nani or the pozzo family .The Players are to blame for this, the softest in the football league ! They need to grow a pair, try jumping for a header and not sh1t themselves over a 50/50 challenge . The boys can all play football but that's the problem they are all boys against men today. All wages should be donated to the Watford peace hospice bigdave8

6:03pm Sat 14 Dec 13

andyandyandy says...

Resign Zola now!
Resign Zola now! andyandyandy

6:09pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Abbots hornet says...

The most worrying thing for me is Wednesday didn't really have to work that hard to win this game no last ditch tackles or great saves just two banks of four.Yet again this was too much for us until the Forestieri chance right at the end we never looked like scoring.I don't blame Zola completely as it seems to me he is not the person who brings in new players,whilst Zolas tactics were woeful again he has been provided with woeful replacements for Vydra.Fabbrini is very disappointing and Acuna is not even on the bench We sold Britt and Hogg for nearly 2m but have spent nothing just loan deals for midfielders like Thorne.he is too young and cumbersome we need some proper championship know how to get through this mess .Cmon Pozzos we need some proper experience and another striker pronto or we will be fighting relegation
The most worrying thing for me is Wednesday didn't really have to work that hard to win this game no last ditch tackles or great saves just two banks of four.Yet again this was too much for us until the Forestieri chance right at the end we never looked like scoring.I don't blame Zola completely as it seems to me he is not the person who brings in new players,whilst Zolas tactics were woeful again he has been provided with woeful replacements for Vydra.Fabbrini is very disappointing and Acuna is not even on the bench We sold Britt and Hogg for nearly 2m but have spent nothing just loan deals for midfielders like Thorne.he is too young and cumbersome we need some proper championship know how to get through this mess .Cmon Pozzos we need some proper experience and another striker pronto or we will be fighting relegation Abbots hornet

6:12pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Cuetip says...

Drained from reading the comments above but even worse the score and much worse is the points tally from the last few games especially after last season's performance.

Things can only get better.

Zola just man up and don't get caught in headlights.
Drained from reading the comments above but even worse the score and much worse is the points tally from the last few games especially after last season's performance. Things can only get better. Zola just man up and don't get caught in headlights. Cuetip

6:13pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Rosty'srocket says...

Oh Dear oh Dear - well - Yes the team needs to earn some support but today was a morgue. I do not believe the back room is supporting our manager the coach we lost year has not been replaced well. We are naive at the back and do not do the hard work basics throughout - a leaf out of Southampton' book chasing down defenders, defending as a team attacking as a team. We have some skilled players but some of the guile and brain is missing. We deflate as soon as they score. I do not believe replacing Zola is the answer - getting help in IS. Onesize back is a mistake. Lets start getting around the back - we a goal taker and one less maker. Concentration and organisation in defence.
Oh Dear oh Dear - well - Yes the team needs to earn some support but today was a morgue. I do not believe the back room is supporting our manager the coach we lost year has not been replaced well. We are naive at the back and do not do the hard work basics throughout - a leaf out of Southampton' book chasing down defenders, defending as a team attacking as a team. We have some skilled players but some of the guile and brain is missing. We deflate as soon as they score. I do not believe replacing Zola is the answer - getting help in IS. Onesize back is a mistake. Lets start getting around the back - we a goal taker and one less maker. Concentration and organisation in defence. Rosty'srocket

6:15pm Sat 14 Dec 13

PMJ1966 says...

Ultimately fans run clubs - no fans means no club. After yet another serving of complete tosh it is quite understandable for the paying fans to vent frustration and we all know (including GZ) the business is about results. I have two plans (GZ appears to only have one)

Plan A - clear out the entire back room team for a bunch of Championship savvy staff to work with GZ and they just might save the day.

Plan B - gentle ask GZ to step aside and take his back room team with him.

P.S I'm sure GT would have been useful at half time in the changing room rather than pulling raffle tickets on the pitch - he might have provided the required kick up Rs this team needs!
Ultimately fans run clubs - no fans means no club. After yet another serving of complete tosh it is quite understandable for the paying fans to vent frustration and we all know (including GZ) the business is about results. I have two plans (GZ appears to only have one) Plan A - clear out the entire back room team for a bunch of Championship savvy staff to work with GZ and they just might save the day. Plan B - gentle ask GZ to step aside and take his back room team with him. P.S I'm sure GT would have been useful at half time in the changing room rather than pulling raffle tickets on the pitch - he might have provided the required kick up Rs this team needs! PMJ1966

6:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

endean2 says...

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

A NEW MANAGER SAP , I am sorry but Zola does not understand how
this all works, if we wait much longer we will be in a relegation fight.

2 bottom teams, at home, 2 defeats no goals FINITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH A NEW MANAGER SAP , I am sorry but Zola does not understand how this all works, if we wait much longer we will be in a relegation fight. 2 bottom teams, at home, 2 defeats no goals FINITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! endean2

6:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

Hopemole wrote:
Sadly Zola is not a leader of men. he's a nice guy as we all know, but no one ever called Alex Ferguson a nice guy. H e doesn't seem to have a clue tactically or strategically or to be able to inspire players to give that extra. We have a talented pool of players, but he doesn't seem to know how best to use them. The signs first emerged last season when Hull sussed us at home and he had no tactical response. We also desperately need a midfield enforcer, a striker with the pace of Vydra and the creativity of Abdi back. I wonder how much difference the change in backroom staff has made. Gianfranco has no idea how to organise and coach a defence. Such a pity after the expectations raised by our mid season run last season. He's certainly not lucky either! The Anya goal should have stood. He was level
spot on - only one way to go after that game and the previous 2 months and that is out the door. Sad as we all know he is a lovely guy but I would prefer a manager who is a **** and wins us some matches
[quote][p][bold]Hopemole[/bold] wrote: Sadly Zola is not a leader of men. he's a nice guy as we all know, but no one ever called Alex Ferguson a nice guy. H e doesn't seem to have a clue tactically or strategically or to be able to inspire players to give that extra. We have a talented pool of players, but he doesn't seem to know how best to use them. The signs first emerged last season when Hull sussed us at home and he had no tactical response. We also desperately need a midfield enforcer, a striker with the pace of Vydra and the creativity of Abdi back. I wonder how much difference the change in backroom staff has made. Gianfranco has no idea how to organise and coach a defence. Such a pity after the expectations raised by our mid season run last season. He's certainly not lucky either! The Anya goal should have stood. He was level[/p][/quote]spot on - only one way to go after that game and the previous 2 months and that is out the door. Sad as we all know he is a lovely guy but I would prefer a manager who is a **** and wins us some matches onion8837

6:31pm Sat 14 Dec 13

WD18Chris says...

I think any manager would find it hard after losing your best 3 midfield players(injury, sold or unaffordable) that together with losing vydra makes most fans optimism totally over the top. Our midfield simply is not good enough to mount a promotion challenge.

That said, zola is not getting the best out of the players. But you should only replace the manager if you can do better. Who realistically could do better?
I think any manager would find it hard after losing your best 3 midfield players(injury, sold or unaffordable) that together with losing vydra makes most fans optimism totally over the top. Our midfield simply is not good enough to mount a promotion challenge. That said, zola is not getting the best out of the players. But you should only replace the manager if you can do better. Who realistically could do better? WD18Chris

6:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

stiffler99 says...

bigdave8 wrote:
I'm not blaming Zola , Nani or the pozzo family .The Players are to blame for this, the softest in the football league ! They need to grow a pair, try jumping for a header and not sh1t themselves over a 50/50 challenge . The boys can all play football but that's the problem they are all boys against men today. All wages should be donated to the Watford peace hospice
Spot on! They just do not go for the 50-50 balls although I would add that there are far to many short players on the team. I think we have some skilfull players but they have lost confidence and if Forestieri wonders why he has not been in the team it is because of the miss like in the final moments today.

I don't think Zola should go but he does make decisions I wouldn't have made but then the moaners wouldn't want me at the hem either. I would get rid of the boo boys. These are the guys who moan that we don't get behind the team and then channel their vocal chords in the most negative way possible.
[quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: I'm not blaming Zola , Nani or the pozzo family .The Players are to blame for this, the softest in the football league ! They need to grow a pair, try jumping for a header and not sh1t themselves over a 50/50 challenge . The boys can all play football but that's the problem they are all boys against men today. All wages should be donated to the Watford peace hospice[/p][/quote]Spot on! They just do not go for the 50-50 balls although I would add that there are far to many short players on the team. I think we have some skilfull players but they have lost confidence and if Forestieri wonders why he has not been in the team it is because of the miss like in the final moments today. I don't think Zola should go but he does make decisions I wouldn't have made but then the moaners wouldn't want me at the hem either. I would get rid of the boo boys. These are the guys who moan that we don't get behind the team and then channel their vocal chords in the most negative way possible. stiffler99

6:35pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Victory Yellow says...

OK some people can calm down, Watford will not be relegated this season. We also will not be promoted this season either. We need to have a complete overhaul at the end of the season. A new manager with new ideas. Zola has no game plan and cannot 'change a game' if we are struggling (which is every home game) This was also last seasons problem. He obviously cannot motivate the players either. Next year we need to build a team that wants to fight and gets on well. Rightly or wrongly I hear rumours that all is not well in the Watford Camp amongst some of the players. If that is true it makes sense because their appears little spirit or fight in the team. I know he may have been able to do a little better with the goal but I think Bond is the future and we should continue to play him as next season I see Almunia will be replaced by him.
OK some people can calm down, Watford will not be relegated this season. We also will not be promoted this season either. We need to have a complete overhaul at the end of the season. A new manager with new ideas. Zola has no game plan and cannot 'change a game' if we are struggling (which is every home game) This was also last seasons problem. He obviously cannot motivate the players either. Next year we need to build a team that wants to fight and gets on well. Rightly or wrongly I hear rumours that all is not well in the Watford Camp amongst some of the players. If that is true it makes sense because their appears little spirit or fight in the team. I know he may have been able to do a little better with the goal but I think Bond is the future and we should continue to play him as next season I see Almunia will be replaced by him. Victory Yellow

6:39pm Sat 14 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

He's gone.........so who will it be next ?
He's gone.........so who will it be next ? jasonwatford

6:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

SCMW57 says...

The Pozzo family haven't spent a penny on the team since taking over. We are and will remain a dumping ground for their other 2 clubs.
We have sold players to help fund working capital, loan repayments and ground improvements.
The current Board don't make themselves available to supporters.
We are being mugged off - as West Ham discovered with the same frontmen.
There is talk of more Udinese players arriving - disaster!
And finally - our gated will soon drop from 15-16000 - what happens to the East Stand then - SW development already outsourced....
The Pozzo family haven't spent a penny on the team since taking over. We are and will remain a dumping ground for their other 2 clubs. We have sold players to help fund working capital, loan repayments and ground improvements. The current Board don't make themselves available to supporters. We are being mugged off - as West Ham discovered with the same frontmen. There is talk of more Udinese players arriving - disaster! And finally - our gated will soon drop from 15-16000 - what happens to the East Stand then - SW development already outsourced.... SCMW57

6:48pm Sat 14 Dec 13

demerit says...

ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Sorry mate, read the first line and didn't bother with the rest.
[quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Sorry mate, read the first line and didn't bother with the rest. demerit

6:50pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Mr Watford of Watford says...

After the Yeovil match I said we needed to give Zola more time. 3 winless games later, time's up! The body language of the players was terrible in the second half. No belief, confidence shot to pieces. Losing at.home to one terrible team after another. It's simply just not working -fact.
After the Yeovil match I said we needed to give Zola more time. 3 winless games later, time's up! The body language of the players was terrible in the second half. No belief, confidence shot to pieces. Losing at.home to one terrible team after another. It's simply just not working -fact. Mr Watford of Watford

6:51pm Sat 14 Dec 13

demerit says...

ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Sorry mate, read the first line and didn't bother with the rest.
[quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Sorry mate, read the first line and didn't bother with the rest. demerit

6:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

JohnnyHornet says...

ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Agree with all, but I think the last thing we need is more arty **** Italians unless they have some real grit and steal and will fight for everything, a pitbull wanting that bone type of attitude, Otherwise it has to be British steal, players who know all about the toughest league to get out of.
[quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Agree with all, but I think the last thing we need is more arty **** Italians unless they have some real grit and steal and will fight for everything, a pitbull wanting that bone type of attitude, Otherwise it has to be British steal, players who know all about the toughest league to get out of. JohnnyHornet

7:07pm Sat 14 Dec 13

grahamwfc says...

ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong.
Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe.
We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson.

Bond
Doyley
Hoban
Tarkowski ( Oldham)
Bellerin
Anya
Murray
Abdi
McGugan
Wells (Bradford City)
Assambalonga ( Peterborough)
[quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong. Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe. We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson. Bond Doyley Hoban Tarkowski ( Oldham) Bellerin Anya Murray Abdi McGugan Wells (Bradford City) Assambalonga ( Peterborough) grahamwfc

7:12pm Sat 14 Dec 13

ForzaWatford says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Agree with all, but I think the last thing we need is more arty **** Italians unless they have some real grit and steal and will fight for everything, a pitbull wanting that bone type of attitude, Otherwise it has to be British steal, players who know all about the toughest league to get out of.
Totally with you on that, we need players that want to play for the club and will put their all in to the games. Fans appreciate effort, that's why everyone is getting on Deeney's case, he isn't trying anymore.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Agree with all, but I think the last thing we need is more arty **** Italians unless they have some real grit and steal and will fight for everything, a pitbull wanting that bone type of attitude, Otherwise it has to be British steal, players who know all about the toughest league to get out of.[/p][/quote]Totally with you on that, we need players that want to play for the club and will put their all in to the games. Fans appreciate effort, that's why everyone is getting on Deeney's case, he isn't trying anymore. ForzaWatford

7:14pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Goldentrue1 says...

grahamwfc wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong.
Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe.
We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson.

Bond
Doyley
Hoban
Tarkowski ( Oldham)
Bellerin
Anya
Murray
Abdi
McGugan
Wells (Bradford City)
Assambalonga ( Peterborough)
Got to disagree with you. Murray and Thorne's passing were woeful today, Battochio was better than both.
And lets get off the Assambalonga bandwagon. He was let go because he did not look good enough for the Championship or higher.
Fabbrini frustrates me so much because he cannot stay on his feet.
Things are not right that is for definite and that was one of the worst performances I have seen for years. However, I certainly do not feel a change of manager is the answer
[quote][p][bold]grahamwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong. Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe. We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson. Bond Doyley Hoban Tarkowski ( Oldham) Bellerin Anya Murray Abdi McGugan Wells (Bradford City) Assambalonga ( Peterborough)[/p][/quote]Got to disagree with you. Murray and Thorne's passing were woeful today, Battochio was better than both. And lets get off the Assambalonga bandwagon. He was let go because he did not look good enough for the Championship or higher. Fabbrini frustrates me so much because he cannot stay on his feet. Things are not right that is for definite and that was one of the worst performances I have seen for years. However, I certainly do not feel a change of manager is the answer Goldentrue1

7:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

ralear49 says...

peter10531089 wrote:
Trying to be objective, which is hard after a fifth consecutive home defeat. We created more in the first twenty minutes with Anya running in behind than we had in the past three games combined but we looked like balloon punctured once the goal went in (the disallowed goal not withstanding). The lack of cohesion in the second half, the poor decision making that led to the lack of fluidity and finally the lack of confidence are I am afraid the nails in Zola's confidence. We need someone to get hold of the dressing room and make bold purchases (or acquisitions from the pozzo pool) - 3CR interview with Zola sounds like he is resigned to going. Sad that a lovely man who everyone would love to see succeed is unlikely to
"Make bold purchases"? Hang on, did GZ have any say in the players he was given this season? Who keeps signing mediocre mid-fielders while neglecting to replace Vydra and for that matter Abdi? Was GZ a genius because he had Vydra, Chalobah and Abdi? Is he incompetent now because he doesn't?,
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: Trying to be objective, which is hard after a fifth consecutive home defeat. We created more in the first twenty minutes with Anya running in behind than we had in the past three games combined but we looked like balloon punctured once the goal went in (the disallowed goal not withstanding). The lack of cohesion in the second half, the poor decision making that led to the lack of fluidity and finally the lack of confidence are I am afraid the nails in Zola's confidence. We need someone to get hold of the dressing room and make bold purchases (or acquisitions from the pozzo pool) - 3CR interview with Zola sounds like he is resigned to going. Sad that a lovely man who everyone would love to see succeed is unlikely to[/p][/quote]"Make bold purchases"? Hang on, did GZ have any say in the players he was given this season? Who keeps signing mediocre mid-fielders while neglecting to replace Vydra and for that matter Abdi? Was GZ a genius because he had Vydra, Chalobah and Abdi? Is he incompetent now because he doesn't?, ralear49

7:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

ForzaWatford says...

grahamwfc wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong.
Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe.
We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson.

Bond
Doyley
Hoban
Tarkowski ( Oldham)
Bellerin
Anya
Murray
Abdi
McGugan
Wells (Bradford City)
Assambalonga ( Peterborough)
Phil Parkinson? Come on, he's another Boothroyd, HOOF!

That suggested team is hilarious and is far worse than today's starting XI.

I take it your surname isn't Taylor.
[quote][p][bold]grahamwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong. Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe. We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson. Bond Doyley Hoban Tarkowski ( Oldham) Bellerin Anya Murray Abdi McGugan Wells (Bradford City) Assambalonga ( Peterborough)[/p][/quote]Phil Parkinson? Come on, he's another Boothroyd, HOOF! That suggested team is hilarious and is far worse than today's starting XI. I take it your surname isn't Taylor. ForzaWatford

7:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Goldentrue1 says...

demerit wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Sorry mate, read the first line and didn't bother with the rest.
nonsense response
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Sorry mate, read the first line and didn't bother with the rest.[/p][/quote]nonsense response Goldentrue1

7:17pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Nordin's Hooter says...

Nordin's Hooter wrote:
Polar Express for Zola please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It really hurts me to say the above but being a good person is one thing and Gianfranco is definitely that, but with the package we have and the right tactics and right manager we should be comfortably in the play offs !
(and to quote the old chestnut last season we would have been promoted, at the moment its like deja vu Wembley ..... full of hope before the match and the feeling you have wasted your money afterwards).
[quote][p][bold]Nordin's Hooter[/bold] wrote: Polar Express for Zola please !!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]It really hurts me to say the above but being a good person is one thing and Gianfranco is definitely that, but with the package we have and the right tactics and right manager we should be comfortably in the play offs ! (and to quote the old chestnut last season we would have been promoted, at the moment its like deja vu Wembley ..... full of hope before the match and the feeling you have wasted your money afterwards). Nordin's Hooter

7:20pm Sat 14 Dec 13

endean2 says...

Victory Yellow wrote:
OK some people can calm down, Watford will not be relegated this season. We also will not be promoted this season either. We need to have a complete overhaul at the end of the season. A new manager with new ideas. Zola has no game plan and cannot 'change a game' if we are struggling (which is every home game) This was also last seasons problem. He obviously cannot motivate the players either. Next year we need to build a team that wants to fight and gets on well. Rightly or wrongly I hear rumours that all is not well in the Watford Camp amongst some of the players. If that is true it makes sense because their appears little spirit or fight in the team. I know he may have been able to do a little better with the goal but I think Bond is the future and we should continue to play him as next season I see Almunia will be replaced by him.
oh dear, so much WOE at the start of the festive season.

so why not a Warnock for the rest of the season?

but whatever we do, make a change very soon, like tonight.
[quote][p][bold]Victory Yellow[/bold] wrote: OK some people can calm down, Watford will not be relegated this season. We also will not be promoted this season either. We need to have a complete overhaul at the end of the season. A new manager with new ideas. Zola has no game plan and cannot 'change a game' if we are struggling (which is every home game) This was also last seasons problem. He obviously cannot motivate the players either. Next year we need to build a team that wants to fight and gets on well. Rightly or wrongly I hear rumours that all is not well in the Watford Camp amongst some of the players. If that is true it makes sense because their appears little spirit or fight in the team. I know he may have been able to do a little better with the goal but I think Bond is the future and we should continue to play him as next season I see Almunia will be replaced by him.[/p][/quote]oh dear, so much WOE at the start of the festive season. so why not a Warnock for the rest of the season? but whatever we do, make a change very soon, like tonight. endean2

7:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sarratthorn says...

OK GFZ, time to go. Relegation form, 4 points out of last 27, 5 home defeats on the trot, lost against sides who havent won away all season - Sheff Weds first clean sheet of season, need I go on!

Tactically no idea, no inspiration, we cant keep blaming loss of Vydra or Abdi being unfit. He's lost the dressing room - clueless and depressing!

GOODBYE.
OK GFZ, time to go. Relegation form, 4 points out of last 27, 5 home defeats on the trot, lost against sides who havent won away all season - Sheff Weds first clean sheet of season, need I go on! Tactically no idea, no inspiration, we cant keep blaming loss of Vydra or Abdi being unfit. He's lost the dressing room - clueless and depressing! GOODBYE. sarratthorn

7:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

grahamwfc says...

ForzaWatford wrote:
grahamwfc wrote:
ForzaWatford wrote:
I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right.

Firstly, today's peformance:
- Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box.

-Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care.

- Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini.

Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about.
Something has to change.

Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out.

There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated.

The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all.

I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front.

The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run.

Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me.

Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys.
And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job!

COYH!
Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong.
Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe.
We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson.

Bond
Doyley
Hoban
Tarkowski ( Oldham)
Bellerin
Anya
Murray
Abdi
McGugan
Wells (Bradford City)
Assambalonga ( Peterborough)
Phil Parkinson? Come on, he's another Boothroyd, HOOF!

That suggested team is hilarious and is far worse than today's starting XI.

I take it your surname isn't Taylor.
So you don't think the best centre back outside the Prem and courted by a lot of Prem clubs would improve today's team. You don't think Doyley is better than Cassetti on today's performance and you wouldn't have Nahki Wells in that team. I'm assuming you will have Abdi and prefer a non trying Deeney to Assambalonga.. Now that's Hilarious
[quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grahamwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForzaWatford[/bold] wrote: I'm still for Zola staying, but there is clearly something not right. Firstly, today's peformance: - Defensively, a few moments of madness, e.g. Hall's crazy backpass and the occasions when we let the ball run through our box from a cross, but overall looked pretty solid, Hall and Nos coped well, Bellerin looks pretty sharp but Cassetti just isn't up to it anymore. Nos was lucky to be on the pitch though, blatant foul in the box. -Midfield, too much misplaced passing, Murray and Thorne were guilty of this too often, Battocchio look bright and got taken off for some reason, shame about Faraoni, hopefully he will be fine, Fabbrini looked great for the most part when he came on. Murray and Thorne tried but neither really did anything, Murray went backwards too much. Anya just looked like he didn't care. - Up top, Deeney, although I thought he had a poor game, you can't complain that much when he had so little support, he needs someone running off him. FF blew his chance to be the hero spectacularly after a lovely bit of work by Fabbrini. Lacked so much pace and creativity, barely an effort worth talking about. Something has to change. Rumours of unrest behind the scenes could be true, whatever it is it needs to be sorted ASAP. The Pozzos are no mugs, they can obviously see somethings not right and I'm sure they will do whatever they can to sort it out. There must be a problem with Zola's coaching staff, whoever came in over the summer needs to have their role re-evaluated. The players just don't look bothered, I think there is something we aren't seeing, like cliques amongst them, dressing room unrest or maybe some of the players just see Watford as a stepping stone so arent giving their all. I've heard there will be another influx of talent from Udinese in January so at least there is something being done on the player front. The fans have a right to be angry, the display was poor today, but I'm sure this is just a slump, when we get our next win we will probably go on a good run. Whoever the stupid chav starting on Deeney and another fan was needs to be kicked out, no need to start squaring up to people just because the team lost. The stewards were embarrassing, just stood there and watched, i asked one why he wasn't sorting it out and he just ignored me. Lots to sort out but it is stuff that can be sorted, just keep the faith guys. And remember, the two draws have been against very good sides so we know we can still do the job! COYH![/p][/quote]Battocchio was our poorest player today; take off the Rose coloured specs. There is absolutely no grounds for believing a win will turn this around. This is not just a manager issue, we have a bunch of players that are not good enough. Murray , Bellerin and to a degree Anya our better players and Bond didn't do anything wrong. Before the season I got a massive thumbs down for saying the Assambalonga sale was a bad decision. Not one penny of that money spent either, not on players anyway. Cassetti past it and constantly getting too far forward taking the attacking players space, Fitz and Nos short term, hurry back Hoban. Thorne playing for fitness, far to rusty, least we are helping the Baggies!!! Batty not at the races today, Deeney finally got fed up trudging a lone furrow, probably go in January. Fabbrini is a show pony but played in the right position and given a run might produce.......maybe. We can just hope that we get a few players back from injury and someone to manage them, my choice Phil Parkinson. Bond Doyley Hoban Tarkowski ( Oldham) Bellerin Anya Murray Abdi McGugan Wells (Bradford City) Assambalonga ( Peterborough)[/p][/quote]Phil Parkinson? Come on, he's another Boothroyd, HOOF! That suggested team is hilarious and is far worse than today's starting XI. I take it your surname isn't Taylor.[/p][/quote]So you don't think the best centre back outside the Prem and courted by a lot of Prem clubs would improve today's team. You don't think Doyley is better than Cassetti on today's performance and you wouldn't have Nahki Wells in that team. I'm assuming you will have Abdi and prefer a non trying Deeney to Assambalonga.. Now that's Hilarious grahamwfc

7:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

culpepper says...

Wow . . .just a couple of months ago we were all looking up at teams above subs and settling in for another great season and now for the first time I am looking down at the teams below us.
Now as each home game seems to pass we seem to be equalling unwanted records. Yes it was the awful 90-91 season that we lost five games at home.
But this isn't a terrible team, or isn't meant to be an awful season.
However I truly did not get today's performance as there was no pattern to our play, no leaders, simply no idea.
Yes the confidence has gone, even it seems with GFZ himself. However it isn't him making terrible passes that drift off for goal kicks, or giving away needless free kicks, or losing the ball in dangerous areas (and that's how it al started against Derby).
Yes he does pick the team though, and went with one striker and even more puzzling Cassetti at left back.
What a wonderful middle part of last season we had with some of the best displays we have all ever seen, the confidence flowing and some of the most beautiful goals you could see from our team. This seasons contrasting fortunes is just painful to watch.
For those of us who have witnessed the last 5 home games it has been a sobering experience. Mistakes and inexplicable errors along side a host of missed chances against Leicester and FF's shocker in the last minute today.
I can't help but see Almunias clanger against Bolton right in front of me still, he was hauled off and not seen since. There were always lots of questions about Zola keeping all the players happy but it doesn't matter to us when we were winning most games.
It really won't give me much pleasure to see our manager go as the question will remain about the players commitment and decisions on the pitch.
These last games at home though have really been bad and since Bolton, have become worse each game.
That usually only results in one outcome . . .
Wow . . .just a couple of months ago we were all looking up at teams above subs and settling in for another great season and now for the first time I am looking down at the teams below us. Now as each home game seems to pass we seem to be equalling unwanted records. Yes it was the awful 90-91 season that we lost five games at home. But this isn't a terrible team, or isn't meant to be an awful season. However I truly did not get today's performance as there was no pattern to our play, no leaders, simply no idea. Yes the confidence has gone, even it seems with GFZ himself. However it isn't him making terrible passes that drift off for goal kicks, or giving away needless free kicks, or losing the ball in dangerous areas (and that's how it al started against Derby). Yes he does pick the team though, and went with one striker and even more puzzling Cassetti at left back. What a wonderful middle part of last season we had with some of the best displays we have all ever seen, the confidence flowing and some of the most beautiful goals you could see from our team. This seasons contrasting fortunes is just painful to watch. For those of us who have witnessed the last 5 home games it has been a sobering experience. Mistakes and inexplicable errors along side a host of missed chances against Leicester and FF's shocker in the last minute today. I can't help but see Almunias clanger against Bolton right in front of me still, he was hauled off and not seen since. There were always lots of questions about Zola keeping all the players happy but it doesn't matter to us when we were winning most games. It really won't give me much pleasure to see our manager go as the question will remain about the players commitment and decisions on the pitch. These last games at home though have really been bad and since Bolton, have become worse each game. That usually only results in one outcome . . . culpepper

7:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ramageland says...

I would rather see us relegated than managed by Holloway or Warnock and their cynical brand of sh*tball.
I would rather see us relegated than managed by Holloway or Warnock and their cynical brand of sh*tball. Ramageland

8:02pm Sat 14 Dec 13

WessexLad says...

"Wickham took the free-kick himself and blasted a fine right-footed strike past Jonathan Bond to make it 1-0."

To be fair to Bond, it was deflected off a Watford head in the wall.
"Wickham took the free-kick himself and blasted a fine right-footed strike past Jonathan Bond to make it 1-0." To be fair to Bond, it was deflected off a Watford head in the wall. WessexLad

8:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

shrodells67 says...

Ramageland wrote:
I would rather see us relegated than managed by Holloway or Warnock and their cynical brand of sh*tball.
Holloway and the season ticket gets burned. I quite like Warnock though. He can be passionate and annoying during the match, but he does influence games (and referees) and unlike Holloway, after the heat of the game, is quite reasonable, even likable.
[quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I would rather see us relegated than managed by Holloway or Warnock and their cynical brand of sh*tball.[/p][/quote]Holloway and the season ticket gets burned. I quite like Warnock though. He can be passionate and annoying during the match, but he does influence games (and referees) and unlike Holloway, after the heat of the game, is quite reasonable, even likable. shrodells67

8:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hopemole says...

Warnock/? No chance. look what happened at Leeds last time out and look what is happening with the same team now! Passion alone is not enough. Given the nature of our squad with it's considerable Italian base and given the need to motivate already skillful players, Zola's replacement ( if it happens) will be Roberto Di Matteo.
Warnock/? No chance. look what happened at Leeds last time out and look what is happening with the same team now! Passion alone is not enough. Given the nature of our squad with it's considerable Italian base and given the need to motivate already skillful players, Zola's replacement ( if it happens) will be Roberto Di Matteo. Hopemole

8:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ramageland says...

shrodells67 wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
I would rather see us relegated than managed by Holloway or Warnock and their cynical brand of sh*tball.
Holloway and the season ticket gets burned. I quite like Warnock though. He can be passionate and annoying during the match, but he does influence games (and referees) and unlike Holloway, after the heat of the game, is quite reasonable, even likable.
I agree, I quite like him when it's not just before or just after a game. I find his football unwatchable though!
[quote][p][bold]shrodells67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I would rather see us relegated than managed by Holloway or Warnock and their cynical brand of sh*tball.[/p][/quote]Holloway and the season ticket gets burned. I quite like Warnock though. He can be passionate and annoying during the match, but he does influence games (and referees) and unlike Holloway, after the heat of the game, is quite reasonable, even likable.[/p][/quote]I agree, I quite like him when it's not just before or just after a game. I find his football unwatchable though! Ramageland

8:38pm Sat 14 Dec 13

stevemag says...

Di Matteo Is still being paid by Chelsea . Not sure if they stop paying if he joins another club?

If they were to stop funding then there Is no chance that he would come to the Vic
Di Matteo Is still being paid by Chelsea . Not sure if they stop paying if he joins another club? If they were to stop funding then there Is no chance that he would come to the Vic stevemag

9:15pm Sat 14 Dec 13

croxley46 says...

It seems to me we don't suss out the opposition before a game whereas they always suss us out. For heaven's sake Zola, why only play one striker at home? - you don't need a degree in the bleedin' obvious (as Basil Fawlty said) to realise that. All their defenders , and most of their other players, were well over 6 ft tall - ours were midgets in comparison and should stand in gro-bags for a few nights. Why not put Angella on up front with Deeney or switch Hall up there instead of subbing him? We needed aerial power and more threat near goal. The Italian players' contribution today was very poor, and there was no bite in the tackles (oh for someone like Hogg) , losing 50/50 balls, passing terrible and shooting laughable.
Best person on the pitch for "us" today - Graham Taylor but alas for only 10 mins at half-time - how we could do with his inspiration, or some-one like him, right now.
It seems to me we don't suss out the opposition before a game whereas they always suss us out. For heaven's sake Zola, why only play one striker at home? - you don't need a degree in the bleedin' obvious (as Basil Fawlty said) to realise that. All their defenders , and most of their other players, were well over 6 ft tall - ours were midgets in comparison and should stand in gro-bags for a few nights. Why not put Angella on up front with Deeney or switch Hall up there instead of subbing him? We needed aerial power and more threat near goal. The Italian players' contribution today was very poor, and there was no bite in the tackles (oh for someone like Hogg) , losing 50/50 balls, passing terrible and shooting laughable. Best person on the pitch for "us" today - Graham Taylor but alas for only 10 mins at half-time - how we could do with his inspiration, or some-one like him, right now. croxley46

9:24pm Sat 14 Dec 13

coldplay says...

culpepper wrote:
Wow . . .just a couple of months ago we were all looking up at teams above subs and settling in for another great season and now for the first time I am looking down at the teams below us.
Now as each home game seems to pass we seem to be equalling unwanted records. Yes it was the awful 90-91 season that we lost five games at home.
But this isn't a terrible team, or isn't meant to be an awful season.
However I truly did not get today's performance as there was no pattern to our play, no leaders, simply no idea.
Yes the confidence has gone, even it seems with GFZ himself. However it isn't him making terrible passes that drift off for goal kicks, or giving away needless free kicks, or losing the ball in dangerous areas (and that's how it al started against Derby).
Yes he does pick the team though, and went with one striker and even more puzzling Cassetti at left back.
What a wonderful middle part of last season we had with some of the best displays we have all ever seen, the confidence flowing and some of the most beautiful goals you could see from our team. This seasons contrasting fortunes is just painful to watch.
For those of us who have witnessed the last 5 home games it has been a sobering experience. Mistakes and inexplicable errors along side a host of missed chances against Leicester and FF's shocker in the last minute today.
I can't help but see Almunias clanger against Bolton right in front of me still, he was hauled off and not seen since. There were always lots of questions about Zola keeping all the players happy but it doesn't matter to us when we were winning most games.
It really won't give me much pleasure to see our manager go as the question will remain about the players commitment and decisions on the pitch.
These last games at home though have really been bad and since Bolton, have become worse each game.
That usually only results in one outcome . . .
Good objective assessment and summary of where we are now. If GFZs time is up he should be allowed go with dignity and with our thanks for changing the football philosophy at Watford. If he stays let's get behind him and the team.....owners will make the decision in the best interest of the club. Whatever happens I hope we would all agree that the brand of football we witnessed last year was brilliant and exciting. Expectations this year were high and needed to be managed and Chalobah, Abdi and Vydra, by their absence, have confirmed just how special they were in last years promotion challenge.
Reasons for our demise, be it the formation, coaching staff, whatever, are all worthy of debate but confident and positive players win matches and that's where we have been lacking. It is interesting that we can avoid defeat at such intimidating away grounds like Leeds and Burnley but we can't perform at home. The atmosphere today, like the last home game was tense and at times negative and that, no doubt, has an affect on the players...some more so than others. I know they are professionals and should handle it, but for me the crowd reaction to mistakes and poor passes, although in the main not intending to drain confidence ,does have an impact on the players and overall performance.
If the club does decide on a change...Warnock...d
o me a favour. Yesterday's man who made a complete Horlicks of it at Leeds and took them backwards at a rate of knots.
[quote][p][bold]culpepper[/bold] wrote: Wow . . .just a couple of months ago we were all looking up at teams above subs and settling in for another great season and now for the first time I am looking down at the teams below us. Now as each home game seems to pass we seem to be equalling unwanted records. Yes it was the awful 90-91 season that we lost five games at home. But this isn't a terrible team, or isn't meant to be an awful season. However I truly did not get today's performance as there was no pattern to our play, no leaders, simply no idea. Yes the confidence has gone, even it seems with GFZ himself. However it isn't him making terrible passes that drift off for goal kicks, or giving away needless free kicks, or losing the ball in dangerous areas (and that's how it al started against Derby). Yes he does pick the team though, and went with one striker and even more puzzling Cassetti at left back. What a wonderful middle part of last season we had with some of the best displays we have all ever seen, the confidence flowing and some of the most beautiful goals you could see from our team. This seasons contrasting fortunes is just painful to watch. For those of us who have witnessed the last 5 home games it has been a sobering experience. Mistakes and inexplicable errors along side a host of missed chances against Leicester and FF's shocker in the last minute today. I can't help but see Almunias clanger against Bolton right in front of me still, he was hauled off and not seen since. There were always lots of questions about Zola keeping all the players happy but it doesn't matter to us when we were winning most games. It really won't give me much pleasure to see our manager go as the question will remain about the players commitment and decisions on the pitch. These last games at home though have really been bad and since Bolton, have become worse each game. That usually only results in one outcome . . .[/p][/quote]Good objective assessment and summary of where we are now. If GFZs time is up he should be allowed go with dignity and with our thanks for changing the football philosophy at Watford. If he stays let's get behind him and the team.....owners will make the decision in the best interest of the club. Whatever happens I hope we would all agree that the brand of football we witnessed last year was brilliant and exciting. Expectations this year were high and needed to be managed and Chalobah, Abdi and Vydra, by their absence, have confirmed just how special they were in last years promotion challenge. Reasons for our demise, be it the formation, coaching staff, whatever, are all worthy of debate but confident and positive players win matches and that's where we have been lacking. It is interesting that we can avoid defeat at such intimidating away grounds like Leeds and Burnley but we can't perform at home. The atmosphere today, like the last home game was tense and at times negative and that, no doubt, has an affect on the players...some more so than others. I know they are professionals and should handle it, but for me the crowd reaction to mistakes and poor passes, although in the main not intending to drain confidence ,does have an impact on the players and overall performance. If the club does decide on a change...Warnock...d o me a favour. Yesterday's man who made a complete Horlicks of it at Leeds and took them backwards at a rate of knots. coldplay

9:32pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

Once again the only positive from today's game was the Balti pie. **** they are good.
I haven't seen a replay of the goal but did the wall do it's job? If not, is that Zola's fault?
Is it Zola's fault that FF missed a glorious chance at the end. He didn't even hit the target FFS (pardon the pun). In fact is it Zolas fault that FF's finishing is average at best. Even his crossing today was terrible.
Is it Zolas fault that Almunia made 2 howlers on the trot v Leicester and Bolton?
Is it Zolas fault that we no longer have 3 of the best players in the division from last year and have not replaced them. Or that we have limited options up front?
Do some of our foreign players lack heart and steel, grit and determination? You certainly need those qualities to get out of this division.
Do we, the fans, think our players are actually better than they are?
Were Zola's defensive tactics wrong today? Possibly yes but had the players done what we expect of them we would have been winning at half time (pick a man out with a cross, or perhaps direct a FREE header on target, or maybe form a wall properly etc).
Do we have enough experience in the team? Or in the coaching staff? If not, is that Zolas fault?
Do the players play with passion and heart? Is this Zolas fault if not? Possibly yes but players must take some responsibility for motivating themselves, perhaps there is not enough Britishness in our squad.
Why can't we threaten from set pieces, let alone score? Is this Zolas fault? Possibly yes, but should the Pozzos support Zola in this area with the addition of an experienced coach?
Is our lack of movement off the ball down to the players or the coach?

I want to see Zola succeed, he is capable of producing a team which plays scintillating football. It's a horrific run of form, the transfer window is coming up, we desperately need additional players. Our squad has been set up to play a particular formation and a particular style so it's difficult for Zola to change that without new players. I don't think the Pozzos will sack him, although he may resign. I hope not, I would like to see him given an opportunity with a strengthened squad come January. The summer imports are not up to it I'm afraid, and for me the players let everyone down today.
Once again the only positive from today's game was the Balti pie. **** they are good. I haven't seen a replay of the goal but did the wall do it's job? If not, is that Zola's fault? Is it Zola's fault that FF missed a glorious chance at the end. He didn't even hit the target FFS (pardon the pun). In fact is it Zolas fault that FF's finishing is average at best. Even his crossing today was terrible. Is it Zolas fault that Almunia made 2 howlers on the trot v Leicester and Bolton? Is it Zolas fault that we no longer have 3 of the best players in the division from last year and have not replaced them. Or that we have limited options up front? Do some of our foreign players lack heart and steel, grit and determination? You certainly need those qualities to get out of this division. Do we, the fans, think our players are actually better than they are? Were Zola's defensive tactics wrong today? Possibly yes but had the players done what we expect of them we would have been winning at half time (pick a man out with a cross, or perhaps direct a FREE header on target, or maybe form a wall properly etc). Do we have enough experience in the team? Or in the coaching staff? If not, is that Zolas fault? Do the players play with passion and heart? Is this Zolas fault if not? Possibly yes but players must take some responsibility for motivating themselves, perhaps there is not enough Britishness in our squad. Why can't we threaten from set pieces, let alone score? Is this Zolas fault? Possibly yes, but should the Pozzos support Zola in this area with the addition of an experienced coach? Is our lack of movement off the ball down to the players or the coach? I want to see Zola succeed, he is capable of producing a team which plays scintillating football. It's a horrific run of form, the transfer window is coming up, we desperately need additional players. Our squad has been set up to play a particular formation and a particular style so it's difficult for Zola to change that without new players. I don't think the Pozzos will sack him, although he may resign. I hope not, I would like to see him given an opportunity with a strengthened squad come January. The summer imports are not up to it I'm afraid, and for me the players let everyone down today. Stoney77

9:43pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Dunderdale Pinner says...

Why was Angella on the bench. I prefer him to either of the two centre backs on the field today. I thought Nosworthy was lucky to stay on the pitch. Lasgt Monday evenong GFZ looked very drawn and unwell. For me the most interesting point raised was "who is GFZ's assistant and the need for a defensive coach. He said it was his personal appoiontment but gave no further information on background or knowledge. Another member asked the same question as he was not satisfied with the answer, and got the same response. So we are non the wiser. Regarding the Abdi come back "next week, it looks like he has the same injury as the England rugby player who was injured two weeks ago and the Physio said he would be out for six months. If that is the case Abdi is out until February. If GFZ can get a good defensive coach who knows the Championship then I for one would like him to stay..
Why was Angella on the bench. I prefer him to either of the two centre backs on the field today. I thought Nosworthy was lucky to stay on the pitch. Lasgt Monday evenong GFZ looked very drawn and unwell. For me the most interesting point raised was "who is GFZ's assistant and the need for a defensive coach. He said it was his personal appoiontment but gave no further information on background or knowledge. Another member asked the same question as he was not satisfied with the answer, and got the same response. So we are non the wiser. Regarding the Abdi come back "next week, it looks like he has the same injury as the England rugby player who was injured two weeks ago and the Physio said he would be out for six months. If that is the case Abdi is out until February. If GFZ can get a good defensive coach who knows the Championship then I for one would like him to stay.. Dunderdale Pinner

9:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Once again the only positive from today's game was the Balti pie. **** they are good.
I haven't seen a replay of the goal but did the wall do it's job? If not, is that Zola's fault?
Is it Zola's fault that FF missed a glorious chance at the end. He didn't even hit the target FFS (pardon the pun). In fact is it Zolas fault that FF's finishing is average at best. Even his crossing today was terrible.
Is it Zolas fault that Almunia made 2 howlers on the trot v Leicester and Bolton?
Is it Zolas fault that we no longer have 3 of the best players in the division from last year and have not replaced them. Or that we have limited options up front?
Do some of our foreign players lack heart and steel, grit and determination? You certainly need those qualities to get out of this division.
Do we, the fans, think our players are actually better than they are?
Were Zola's defensive tactics wrong today? Possibly yes but had the players done what we expect of them we would have been winning at half time (pick a man out with a cross, or perhaps direct a FREE header on target, or maybe form a wall properly etc).
Do we have enough experience in the team? Or in the coaching staff? If not, is that Zolas fault?
Do the players play with passion and heart? Is this Zolas fault if not? Possibly yes but players must take some responsibility for motivating themselves, perhaps there is not enough Britishness in our squad.
Why can't we threaten from set pieces, let alone score? Is this Zolas fault? Possibly yes, but should the Pozzos support Zola in this area with the addition of an experienced coach?
Is our lack of movement off the ball down to the players or the coach?

I want to see Zola succeed, he is capable of producing a team which plays scintillating football. It's a horrific run of form, the transfer window is coming up, we desperately need additional players. Our squad has been set up to play a particular formation and a particular style so it's difficult for Zola to change that without new players. I don't think the Pozzos will sack him, although he may resign. I hope not, I would like to see him given an opportunity with a strengthened squad come January. The summer imports are not up to it I'm afraid, and for me the players let everyone down today.
One of the best, most thought out posts I've read today. Well said Stoney
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Once again the only positive from today's game was the Balti pie. **** they are good. I haven't seen a replay of the goal but did the wall do it's job? If not, is that Zola's fault? Is it Zola's fault that FF missed a glorious chance at the end. He didn't even hit the target FFS (pardon the pun). In fact is it Zolas fault that FF's finishing is average at best. Even his crossing today was terrible. Is it Zolas fault that Almunia made 2 howlers on the trot v Leicester and Bolton? Is it Zolas fault that we no longer have 3 of the best players in the division from last year and have not replaced them. Or that we have limited options up front? Do some of our foreign players lack heart and steel, grit and determination? You certainly need those qualities to get out of this division. Do we, the fans, think our players are actually better than they are? Were Zola's defensive tactics wrong today? Possibly yes but had the players done what we expect of them we would have been winning at half time (pick a man out with a cross, or perhaps direct a FREE header on target, or maybe form a wall properly etc). Do we have enough experience in the team? Or in the coaching staff? If not, is that Zolas fault? Do the players play with passion and heart? Is this Zolas fault if not? Possibly yes but players must take some responsibility for motivating themselves, perhaps there is not enough Britishness in our squad. Why can't we threaten from set pieces, let alone score? Is this Zolas fault? Possibly yes, but should the Pozzos support Zola in this area with the addition of an experienced coach? Is our lack of movement off the ball down to the players or the coach? I want to see Zola succeed, he is capable of producing a team which plays scintillating football. It's a horrific run of form, the transfer window is coming up, we desperately need additional players. Our squad has been set up to play a particular formation and a particular style so it's difficult for Zola to change that without new players. I don't think the Pozzos will sack him, although he may resign. I hope not, I would like to see him given an opportunity with a strengthened squad come January. The summer imports are not up to it I'm afraid, and for me the players let everyone down today.[/p][/quote]One of the best, most thought out posts I've read today. Well said Stoney SAHornet

10:28pm Sat 14 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

croxley46 wrote:
It seems to me we don't suss out the opposition before a game whereas they always suss us out. For heaven's sake Zola, why only play one striker at home? - you don't need a degree in the bleedin' obvious (as Basil Fawlty said) to realise that. All their defenders , and most of their other players, were well over 6 ft tall - ours were midgets in comparison and should stand in gro-bags for a few nights. Why not put Angella on up front with Deeney or switch Hall up there instead of subbing him? We needed aerial power and more threat near goal. The Italian players' contribution today was very poor, and there was no bite in the tackles (oh for someone like Hogg) , losing 50/50 balls, passing terrible and shooting laughable.
Best person on the pitch for "us" today - Graham Taylor but alas for only 10 mins at half-time - how we could do with his inspiration, or some-one like him, right now.
The real point is that teams change their tactics during the game - in the first 15-20 mins we got down the flanks and behind them and caused them problems. They altered their formation and system and stopped us doing it.

We never alter the way we play during a match
[quote][p][bold]croxley46[/bold] wrote: It seems to me we don't suss out the opposition before a game whereas they always suss us out. For heaven's sake Zola, why only play one striker at home? - you don't need a degree in the bleedin' obvious (as Basil Fawlty said) to realise that. All their defenders , and most of their other players, were well over 6 ft tall - ours were midgets in comparison and should stand in gro-bags for a few nights. Why not put Angella on up front with Deeney or switch Hall up there instead of subbing him? We needed aerial power and more threat near goal. The Italian players' contribution today was very poor, and there was no bite in the tackles (oh for someone like Hogg) , losing 50/50 balls, passing terrible and shooting laughable. Best person on the pitch for "us" today - Graham Taylor but alas for only 10 mins at half-time - how we could do with his inspiration, or some-one like him, right now.[/p][/quote]The real point is that teams change their tactics during the game - in the first 15-20 mins we got down the flanks and behind them and caused them problems. They altered their formation and system and stopped us doing it. We never alter the way we play during a match onion8837

10:38pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Big Cliff was King says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Once again the only positive from today's game was the Balti pie. **** they are good.
I haven't seen a replay of the goal but did the wall do it's job? If not, is that Zola's fault?
Is it Zola's fault that FF missed a glorious chance at the end. He didn't even hit the target FFS (pardon the pun). In fact is it Zolas fault that FF's finishing is average at best. Even his crossing today was terrible.
Is it Zolas fault that Almunia made 2 howlers on the trot v Leicester and Bolton?
Is it Zolas fault that we no longer have 3 of the best players in the division from last year and have not replaced them. Or that we have limited options up front?
Do some of our foreign players lack heart and steel, grit and determination? You certainly need those qualities to get out of this division.
Do we, the fans, think our players are actually better than they are?
Were Zola's defensive tactics wrong today? Possibly yes but had the players done what we expect of them we would have been winning at half time (pick a man out with a cross, or perhaps direct a FREE header on target, or maybe form a wall properly etc).
Do we have enough experience in the team? Or in the coaching staff? If not, is that Zolas fault?
Do the players play with passion and heart? Is this Zolas fault if not? Possibly yes but players must take some responsibility for motivating themselves, perhaps there is not enough Britishness in our squad.
Why can't we threaten from set pieces, let alone score? Is this Zolas fault? Possibly yes, but should the Pozzos support Zola in this area with the addition of an experienced coach?
Is our lack of movement off the ball down to the players or the coach?

I want to see Zola succeed, he is capable of producing a team which plays scintillating football. It's a horrific run of form, the transfer window is coming up, we desperately need additional players. Our squad has been set up to play a particular formation and a particular style so it's difficult for Zola to change that without new players. I don't think the Pozzos will sack him, although he may resign. I hope not, I would like to see him given an opportunity with a strengthened squad come January. The summer imports are not up to it I'm afraid, and for me the players let everyone down today.
Have to agree with Stoney. We were only a lucky free kick, a doubtful offside decision and a bad miss from having a much happier afternoon. All Mr Zola needs is a decent second in command to play hard cop to his obvious and charming good cop.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Once again the only positive from today's game was the Balti pie. **** they are good. I haven't seen a replay of the goal but did the wall do it's job? If not, is that Zola's fault? Is it Zola's fault that FF missed a glorious chance at the end. He didn't even hit the target FFS (pardon the pun). In fact is it Zolas fault that FF's finishing is average at best. Even his crossing today was terrible. Is it Zolas fault that Almunia made 2 howlers on the trot v Leicester and Bolton? Is it Zolas fault that we no longer have 3 of the best players in the division from last year and have not replaced them. Or that we have limited options up front? Do some of our foreign players lack heart and steel, grit and determination? You certainly need those qualities to get out of this division. Do we, the fans, think our players are actually better than they are? Were Zola's defensive tactics wrong today? Possibly yes but had the players done what we expect of them we would have been winning at half time (pick a man out with a cross, or perhaps direct a FREE header on target, or maybe form a wall properly etc). Do we have enough experience in the team? Or in the coaching staff? If not, is that Zolas fault? Do the players play with passion and heart? Is this Zolas fault if not? Possibly yes but players must take some responsibility for motivating themselves, perhaps there is not enough Britishness in our squad. Why can't we threaten from set pieces, let alone score? Is this Zolas fault? Possibly yes, but should the Pozzos support Zola in this area with the addition of an experienced coach? Is our lack of movement off the ball down to the players or the coach? I want to see Zola succeed, he is capable of producing a team which plays scintillating football. It's a horrific run of form, the transfer window is coming up, we desperately need additional players. Our squad has been set up to play a particular formation and a particular style so it's difficult for Zola to change that without new players. I don't think the Pozzos will sack him, although he may resign. I hope not, I would like to see him given an opportunity with a strengthened squad come January. The summer imports are not up to it I'm afraid, and for me the players let everyone down today.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with Stoney. We were only a lucky free kick, a doubtful offside decision and a bad miss from having a much happier afternoon. All Mr Zola needs is a decent second in command to play hard cop to his obvious and charming good cop. Big Cliff was King

11:00pm Sat 14 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
Oh look the best young striker outside the premier league has just scored his 16th of the season.

Assombalonga and Deeney would have been a decent partnership, 1.25m was a poor fee considering the 60m we would have got for getting promoted.

Those on her though that argued against this are so entrenched in there view now though that when he scores his 35th goal they will still say that selling our best young player since....

oh well when they sell him we get 50% on anything over the 1.25m, thats okay then, that was worth it! Yea much better than having a prolific young striker to get us promoted that we could sell for mega bucks in years to come.
forget Assombalonga the players he has got are so much better than the players we are playing against. our players even including the injuries are better than Yeovil, shef wed, leeds(except 1 player) Bolton and the vast majority of the division. The players are good enough zola is not. Rodgers,malky and dyche would of killed to of had deeney and forester up front with fabrini on the bench. Any one of those were in charge now we would be chasing automatic with these players
Malky and Dyche DID have Deeney. He didn't get in the their teams. It's only been since Zola that he has become the Deeney you now see. Not defending Zola here but it's a bit of a strange point. As is all this chat about Britt - very different playing in League 1 vs the Championship. And he clearly isn't the best young striker outside the premier league - Austin is 24, Rhodes is 23 and Ings is 21. They are all doing it in the Championship. Stop over reacting.
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: Oh look the best young striker outside the premier league has just scored his 16th of the season. Assombalonga and Deeney would have been a decent partnership, 1.25m was a poor fee considering the 60m we would have got for getting promoted. Those on her though that argued against this are so entrenched in there view now though that when he scores his 35th goal they will still say that selling our best young player since.... oh well when they sell him we get 50% on anything over the 1.25m, thats okay then, that was worth it! Yea much better than having a prolific young striker to get us promoted that we could sell for mega bucks in years to come.[/p][/quote]forget Assombalonga the players he has got are so much better than the players we are playing against. our players even including the injuries are better than Yeovil, shef wed, leeds(except 1 player) Bolton and the vast majority of the division. The players are good enough zola is not. Rodgers,malky and dyche would of killed to of had deeney and forester up front with fabrini on the bench. Any one of those were in charge now we would be chasing automatic with these players[/p][/quote]Malky and Dyche DID have Deeney. He didn't get in the their teams. It's only been since Zola that he has become the Deeney you now see. Not defending Zola here but it's a bit of a strange point. As is all this chat about Britt - very different playing in League 1 vs the Championship. And he clearly isn't the best young striker outside the premier league - Austin is 24, Rhodes is 23 and Ings is 21. They are all doing it in the Championship. Stop over reacting. 1234566789

11:10pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Meridenman says...

Victory Yellow wrote:
OK some people can calm down, Watford will not be relegated this season. We also will not be promoted this season either. We need to have a complete overhaul at the end of the season. A new manager with new ideas. Zola has no game plan and cannot 'change a game' if we are struggling (which is every home game) This was also last seasons problem. He obviously cannot motivate the players either. Next year we need to build a team that wants to fight and gets on well. Rightly or wrongly I hear rumours that all is not well in the Watford Camp amongst some of the players. If that is true it makes sense because their appears little spirit or fight in the team. I know he may have been able to do a little better with the goal but I think Bond is the future and we should continue to play him as next season I see Almunia will be replaced by him.
Muppet, why won't watford be relegated, we are in relegation form, once you hear that a team is too good to go down, they invariably do! Ask yourself where that next win is coming from, Yeovil and Sheffield wed at home, we have no right to best anyone!
[quote][p][bold]Victory Yellow[/bold] wrote: OK some people can calm down, Watford will not be relegated this season. We also will not be promoted this season either. We need to have a complete overhaul at the end of the season. A new manager with new ideas. Zola has no game plan and cannot 'change a game' if we are struggling (which is every home game) This was also last seasons problem. He obviously cannot motivate the players either. Next year we need to build a team that wants to fight and gets on well. Rightly or wrongly I hear rumours that all is not well in the Watford Camp amongst some of the players. If that is true it makes sense because their appears little spirit or fight in the team. I know he may have been able to do a little better with the goal but I think Bond is the future and we should continue to play him as next season I see Almunia will be replaced by him.[/p][/quote]Muppet, why won't watford be relegated, we are in relegation form, once you hear that a team is too good to go down, they invariably do! Ask yourself where that next win is coming from, Yeovil and Sheffield wed at home, we have no right to best anyone! Meridenman

1:06am Sun 15 Dec 13

gazmondo says...

what we need is someone to work with zola as his number 2,

we need a goalscorer i would go for fryatt,or pope from port vale.

i keep zola wait until after the xmas games to review his position
what we need is someone to work with zola as his number 2, we need a goalscorer i would go for fryatt,or pope from port vale. i keep zola wait until after the xmas games to review his position gazmondo

3:43pm Sun 15 Dec 13

mickallen57 says...

I think that the Britt argument is a red herring, that was a good bit of business. If you ask would we be in a different position if he stayed no one can answer that . Here we are with the players we have, who seem unable to get fired up . I don't know why. We have quality, but devoid (particularly at home) of any confidence . This team is capable on it's day of beating anyone in the championship. However we can't even beat Yeovil and Wednesday at the moment .
I like Zola and he is responsible for producing some of the best football I have seen at the Vic since I first supported them in 69/70 season . But something is not right , whether he needs a ( Bertie Mee) assistant, or needs to sort out the players I can only speculate. I hope he is given time but I suspect that the Pozzos ' will want to sort it sooner rather than later.
I think that the Britt argument is a red herring, that was a good bit of business. If you ask would we be in a different position if he stayed no one can answer that . Here we are with the players we have, who seem unable to get fired up . I don't know why. We have quality, but devoid (particularly at home) of any confidence . This team is capable on it's day of beating anyone in the championship. However we can't even beat Yeovil and Wednesday at the moment . I like Zola and he is responsible for producing some of the best football I have seen at the Vic since I first supported them in 69/70 season . But something is not right , whether he needs a ( Bertie Mee) assistant, or needs to sort out the players I can only speculate. I hope he is given time but I suspect that the Pozzos ' will want to sort it sooner rather than later. mickallen57

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