Watford and Queens Park Rangers fail to break deadlock at Vicarage Road

Hornets hold Rangers in goalless stalemate

Hornets hold Rangers in goalless stalemate

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Watford remain unbeaten under Beppe Sannino but they had to settle for a point after a goalless draw with Queens Park Rangers at Vicarage Road.

Neither keeper was particularly busy in a relatively low key goalless first half which the visitors had the better of.

The Hornets improved after the break and they created arguably the best chance in the match when Diego Fabbrini forced Rob Green into a smart save after playing a one-two with Troy Deeney.

Sannino made two changes from the side which beat Millwall on Boxing Day, both of which were enforced as Ikechi Anya and Fernando Forestieri were ruled out with groin and knee injuries respectively. Their places were taken by Hector Bellerin and Fabbrini.

Rangers came into the game bidding to avoid a third successive defeat and, interestingly, Harry Redknapp chose a starting line-up without a recognised striker in a 4-3-3 formation.

Joey Barton returned from suspension to captain the visitors while Nedum Onuoha, Yossi Benayoun and Junior Hoilett were also included. Karl Henry and Bobby Zamora dropped to the bench but Clint Hill and Jermaine Jenas were not involved.

The opening stages were relatively sedate, although the visitors had the first attempt in the seventh minute when make-shift striker Niko Kranjcar fired well over from the edge of the area after being found by Hoilett.

Watford’s first promising moment came in the 13th minute when they were awarded a free-kick towards the left angle of the penalty area but Lewis McGugan’s set piece hit the wall.

Watford Observer:

The midfielder was the given the opportunity to have another crack soon after from a more central position but from further out after Marco Cassetti was fouled. This time his free-kick did get through but it went wide of Green’s right-hand upright.

Kranjcar threatened to lift the game out of its slumber in the 21st minute but he dragged an angled shot wide from the edge of the area and then Fabbrini found McGugan, but he mis-hit a shot on the run from around 20 yards.

Soon after though, Deeney was able to get in between Onuoha and Richard Dunne to get on the end of a Cassetti delivery from the right but the way the ball bounced up meant the striker had to improvise and chest the ball goalwards and Green was able to save with ease.

The visitors had the next attempt in the 27th minute when Kranjcar at least forced Manuel Almunia to go to ground as his shot from the edge of the area went narrowly wide of the keeper’s left-hand post.

This sparked a reasonable riposte from the home side as, first, a Fabbrini run into the area was stopped by a superb tackle from Dunne before a Sean Murray shot from inside the D had the sting taken off it by a deflection, although Green still had to dive to his left to save.

Kranjcar went closer at the other end in the 31st minute when a run ended with a right-footed curling effort that bent narrowly wide of Almunia’s left-hand post.

Watford Observer:

Matt Phillips had the visitors’ next effort six minutes later with a left-footed shot that went wide before Gabriele Angella picked up the game’s first booking in the 39th minute for a foul on Kranjcar.

Almunia needed treatment a minute later when he dived at the feet of Hoilett to prevent him getting on the end of Tom Carroll’s ball in from the left and then Angella was forced into some desperate defending as the ball broke loose in the six-yard area.

The Hornets were living a little dangerously in first-half injury time when they twice allowed crosses from either flank to across right across the six-yard box but no Rangers player was able to get on the end of them.

Watford Observer:

The visitors started the second half the better but it was the Hornets who had the first attempt when a good interception from Angella fell for Murray, who found Fabbrini. He then gave McGugan the opportunity to run from halfway but with a lack of options either side, the midfielder was forced to try an ambitious attempt and his shot went well over the bar.

Almunia was the first keeper to be seriously tested in the 50th minute when he had to push a stinging Phillips drive behind for a corner. Within two minutes, Green was also forced into a good save to deny Fabbrini after he had played a one-two with Deeney to open up the right side of the Rangers defence.

The Hornets won their first corner of the match in the 58th minute but McGugan’s delivery from the right was headed over by Angella. The set piece arrived after ended after a nice flowing move had ended with Cassetti breaking down the right and threatening to play in a dangerous cross.

Watford Observer:

Phillips was booked in the 62nd minute for bringing down Fabbrini and then Barton joined his teammate in the book for a foul on George Thorne three minutes later.

Redknapp was the first manager to make a change in the 70th minute, bringing on Andrew Johnson for Carroll and a second soon followed as Gary O’Neil replaced Benayoun.

Fabbrini’s disappointing afternoon was ended in the 75th minute when he was replaced by Javier Acuna and then Redknapp made his third and final substitution by bringing on Armand Traore for Hoilett.

Watford Observer:

Murray had two attempts from distance in quick succession, the first blocked before another right-footed effort was held by Green.

Acuna saw yellow for a foul on Barton and then an unmarked – and offside – Johnson headed a Phillips cross wide when unmarked in the area.

Cristian Battocchio came on for Murray for the closing stages but neither side was able to create another opening of note.

 

Watford: Almunia; Doyley, Angella, Ekstrand; Cassetti, Murray (Battocchio 87), Thorne, McGugan, Bellerin; Fabbrini (Acuna 75), Deeney. Not used: Bond, McEachran, Iriney, O’Nien, Nosworthy.

Queens Park Rangers: Green; Simpson, Onuoha, Dunne, Assou-Ekotto; Carroll (Johnson 70), Barton, Benayoun (O’Neil 73); Phillips, Kranjcar, Hoilett (Traore 78). Not used: Murphy, Henry, Zamora, Sendles-White.

Bookings: Angella for a foul on Kranjcar (39); Phillips for a foul on Fabbrini (62); Barton for a foul on Thorne (65); Acuna for a foul on Barton (81).

Attendance: 16,625 (2,054 away).

Referee: Neil Swarbrick.

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5:37pm Sun 29 Dec 13

endean2 says...

Wow!!
that sounded a very exciting game then,
obviously unable to go so I am looking forward to some incisive reports
Wow!! that sounded a very exciting game then, obviously unable to go so I am looking forward to some incisive reports endean2
  • Score: -34

5:39pm Sun 29 Dec 13

shifty18 says...

Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up. shifty18
  • Score: 8

5:45pm Sun 29 Dec 13

ForzaWatford says...

shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Agreed, at least he is one of the players that Sannino can communicate with.

Deeney needs help up top, he needs a Vydra-type player who he can work with.

Fabbrini isn't a striker so I'm not judging him too harshly on his performance.

Murray was poor, disappeared for a lot of the game.

Thought Thorne was excellent, apart from a couple of poor passes.

Angella and Ekstrand bossed the defense.

The worry for me is, although QPR didn't look like scoring, neither did we. Draw was a fair result.
[quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Agreed, at least he is one of the players that Sannino can communicate with. Deeney needs help up top, he needs a Vydra-type player who he can work with. Fabbrini isn't a striker so I'm not judging him too harshly on his performance. Murray was poor, disappeared for a lot of the game. Thought Thorne was excellent, apart from a couple of poor passes. Angella and Ekstrand bossed the defense. The worry for me is, although QPR didn't look like scoring, neither did we. Draw was a fair result. ForzaWatford
  • Score: -22

5:51pm Sun 29 Dec 13

peter10531089 says...

shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not anti-fabbrini but I found his man of the match award unbelievable. He has undoubted skill but no power, speed or strength and it is hard to survive in the championship with out at least one of those qualities, however what gets the crowd in his back is his decision making which means he either holds on to the ball too long, pass to another colour shirt (way too often) or disappears down blind alleys. For me he is a luxury we can not afford but I am willing to be proved wrong.

I thought Sean Murray was the pick today personally, really work rate and attempts to create a rhythm to the team.

We at least look difficult to break down - Sannino's three games have seen one goal conceded and that was an extremely dubious penalty so positive signs.
[quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not anti-fabbrini but I found his man of the match award unbelievable. He has undoubted skill but no power, speed or strength and it is hard to survive in the championship with out at least one of those qualities, however what gets the crowd in his back is his decision making which means he either holds on to the ball too long, pass to another colour shirt (way too often) or disappears down blind alleys. For me he is a luxury we can not afford but I am willing to be proved wrong. I thought Sean Murray was the pick today personally, really work rate and attempts to create a rhythm to the team. We at least look difficult to break down - Sannino's three games have seen one goal conceded and that was an extremely dubious penalty so positive signs. peter10531089
  • Score: 20

6:01pm Sun 29 Dec 13

mickallen57 says...

That will do for me a point and a clean sheet, against a team that is expecting to play premiership football next season . Although suffering a dip in form , it shows their quality when they bring Andy Johnson off the bench .
Solid in defence again and with the team slogging it out in a crowded midfield . that feels like a win to me .
With two new signings in the directors box ,and Yeovil waiting to be hammered on New Years day. The future looks bright .
COYH
That will do for me a point and a clean sheet, against a team that is expecting to play premiership football next season . Although suffering a dip in form , it shows their quality when they bring Andy Johnson off the bench . Solid in defence again and with the team slogging it out in a crowded midfield . that feels like a win to me . With two new signings in the directors box ,and Yeovil waiting to be hammered on New Years day. The future looks bright . COYH mickallen57
  • Score: 3

6:01pm Sun 29 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful.

All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.
Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful. All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor. SAHornet
  • Score: -17

6:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Baz loves porridge says...

In other news... Mathias renegie and alexander merkel have been pictured sitting in the upper rouse in watford track suits. The pic is on jon marks' twitter. Things looking up for this winter..
In other news... Mathias renegie and alexander merkel have been pictured sitting in the upper rouse in watford track suits. The pic is on jon marks' twitter. Things looking up for this winter.. Baz loves porridge
  • Score: -6

6:18pm Sun 29 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

SAHornet wrote:
Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful.

All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.
Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful. All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.[/p][/quote]Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it onion8837
  • Score: -14

6:32pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dunderdale Pinner says...

A draw I think was a fair result. Neither side showed much penetration and the keepers had a relatively easy afternoon. Yes I know Almunia got a knock and made a couple of punches and not much else for either of them. For me Ekstrand is a good centre half but please will somebody show him how to pass the ball forward. All the time it is sideways and back giving the opposition time to regroup. You could count the forward passes on one hand. The midfield do not always seem to be on the same wavelength and gave away sloppy passes in dangerous positions. As others have said Deeney must get more support. Today his forward colleagues were not strong enough and easily dispossed. As for the new manager three games, one goal conceded and five points. Not a bad start. He looks like he is getting the defence sorted. Good to see men on the posts against corners. Next for the mid-field. Onwards and ujpwards in the New Year. Happy New Year to all at the club and all the supporters. COYH.
A draw I think was a fair result. Neither side showed much penetration and the keepers had a relatively easy afternoon. Yes I know Almunia got a knock and made a couple of punches and not much else for either of them. For me Ekstrand is a good centre half but please will somebody show him how to pass the ball forward. All the time it is sideways and back giving the opposition time to regroup. You could count the forward passes on one hand. The midfield do not always seem to be on the same wavelength and gave away sloppy passes in dangerous positions. As others have said Deeney must get more support. Today his forward colleagues were not strong enough and easily dispossed. As for the new manager three games, one goal conceded and five points. Not a bad start. He looks like he is getting the defence sorted. Good to see men on the posts against corners. Next for the mid-field. Onwards and ujpwards in the New Year. Happy New Year to all at the club and all the supporters. COYH. Dunderdale Pinner
  • Score: -4

6:32pm Sun 29 Dec 13

rousman 2 says...

Solid performance against a decent team, but Fabbrini MOM please !!!
Solid performance against a decent team, but Fabbrini MOM please !!! rousman 2
  • Score: -1

6:35pm Sun 29 Dec 13

huntingdon hornet says...

According to Wikipedia 'on the 1st January 2014 Merkel signed for Watford FC'....I must be getting confused...thought we were still in 2013, never mind. Ranegie looks like an experienced striker who knows how to find the net...although not played much 1st team football in the last 2 seasons.
COYHs...Play-Offs here we come!
According to Wikipedia 'on the 1st January 2014 Merkel signed for Watford FC'....I must be getting confused...thought we were still in 2013, never mind. Ranegie looks like an experienced striker who knows how to find the net...although not played much 1st team football in the last 2 seasons. COYHs...Play-Offs here we come! huntingdon hornet
  • Score: -6

6:50pm Sun 29 Dec 13

rayman01 says...

shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Best assessment on here. Sorry Forza Watford but Murray probably best midfielder today - worked really hard. Overall thought we did OK. Defensively sound. No reason to believe we cannot get a win at Yeovil Town. COYHs!
[quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Best assessment on here. Sorry Forza Watford but Murray probably best midfielder today - worked really hard. Overall thought we did OK. Defensively sound. No reason to believe we cannot get a win at Yeovil Town. COYHs! rayman01
  • Score: 5

6:56pm Sun 29 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

rayman01 wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Best assessment on here. Sorry Forza Watford but Murray probably best midfielder today - worked really hard. Overall thought we did OK. Defensively sound. No reason to believe we cannot get a win at Yeovil Town. COYHs!
agreed - think Cassetti was very good until the last 15 when he ran out of steam. We missed Anya (naturally) and Forestieri (a bit) and Abdi (massively, as ever)
[quote][p][bold]rayman01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Best assessment on here. Sorry Forza Watford but Murray probably best midfielder today - worked really hard. Overall thought we did OK. Defensively sound. No reason to believe we cannot get a win at Yeovil Town. COYHs![/p][/quote]agreed - think Cassetti was very good until the last 15 when he ran out of steam. We missed Anya (naturally) and Forestieri (a bit) and Abdi (massively, as ever) onion8837
  • Score: -8

7:00pm Sun 29 Dec 13

a1derek says...

Thought Fabbrini was decent today, MOM? Well, maybe not, but decent. He played more for the team today and for the most part only lost it when nothing was on and he had to go it alone. There were a good few times when others could have helped him out! As for McGugan - IMHO a horrible, lazy and inept performance. As long as he stays in the midfield we will not progress.
Thought Fabbrini was decent today, MOM? Well, maybe not, but decent. He played more for the team today and for the most part only lost it when nothing was on and he had to go it alone. There were a good few times when others could have helped him out! As for McGugan - IMHO a horrible, lazy and inept performance. As long as he stays in the midfield we will not progress. a1derek
  • Score: -17

7:10pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

I'll take a point and a clean sheet against QPR, definitely. We certainly look more solid in defence and it was interesting to see the 5 defenders warming up and practising as a unit before the game, and great to see Sannino on the pitch during the warm up, shouting instructions. I like this guys passion.
It was frustrating at times today. How many times did we win the ball in our half and have a 3 on 3, or 4 on 4 opportunity to counter which came to nothing? Too many times we didn't pick the right ball or fannied around with it. McGugan and Fabrrini being the main culprits. Fabrrini is awesome at beating the first man and usually the second man but needs to learn to release the blimmin ball, doesn't show any signs of having improved with regards to that in the 5 months he's been here. Similar criticism of Fessi last year but, the difference being, after 5 months in the team Fessi had reigned in the diving and had learnt to get his head up and pass.
Also today at times we looked a bit like we did under Zola.... Sideways sideways sideways. My opinion is, in the championship, you need to mix it up a bit more.... Stick a ball over the top or into the channels and you'll cause more problems for the opposition and more times than not, you'll get yourself a throw in in an attacking position or create a chance. QPR learnt quickly that if they pressed our defence we would eventually plAy ourselves into trouble, which we did.
Finally, Deeney back to being isolated again, too often Fabrrini miles away from him. Fessi against Milwall played much closer to Deeney and they cause problems.
I thought Bellerin was quality today. You can tell Sannino is telling the wing backs to be more defensive minded, and with 1 dodgy penalty conceded in 3 games, you could say his defensive input is paying off at the mo.
I wonder how tired we will be for Yeovil? Hopefully FF back for Fabrrini. Anya in for Cassetti who surely can't do 3 games in 6 days?!? Maybe Iriney in for Thorne who I think looked a big tired today.
Onwards and upwards. COYH
I'll take a point and a clean sheet against QPR, definitely. We certainly look more solid in defence and it was interesting to see the 5 defenders warming up and practising as a unit before the game, and great to see Sannino on the pitch during the warm up, shouting instructions. I like this guys passion. It was frustrating at times today. How many times did we win the ball in our half and have a 3 on 3, or 4 on 4 opportunity to counter which came to nothing? Too many times we didn't pick the right ball or fannied around with it. McGugan and Fabrrini being the main culprits. Fabrrini is awesome at beating the first man and usually the second man but needs to learn to release the blimmin ball, doesn't show any signs of having improved with regards to that in the 5 months he's been here. Similar criticism of Fessi last year but, the difference being, after 5 months in the team Fessi had reigned in the diving and had learnt to get his head up and pass. Also today at times we looked a bit like we did under Zola.... Sideways sideways sideways. My opinion is, in the championship, you need to mix it up a bit more.... Stick a ball over the top or into the channels and you'll cause more problems for the opposition and more times than not, you'll get yourself a throw in in an attacking position or create a chance. QPR learnt quickly that if they pressed our defence we would eventually plAy ourselves into trouble, which we did. Finally, Deeney back to being isolated again, too often Fabrrini miles away from him. Fessi against Milwall played much closer to Deeney and they cause problems. I thought Bellerin was quality today. You can tell Sannino is telling the wing backs to be more defensive minded, and with 1 dodgy penalty conceded in 3 games, you could say his defensive input is paying off at the mo. I wonder how tired we will be for Yeovil? Hopefully FF back for Fabrrini. Anya in for Cassetti who surely can't do 3 games in 6 days?!? Maybe Iriney in for Thorne who I think looked a big tired today. Onwards and upwards. COYH Stoney77
  • Score: -10

7:26pm Sun 29 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

Dunderdale Pinner wrote:
A draw I think was a fair result. Neither side showed much penetration and the keepers had a relatively easy afternoon. Yes I know Almunia got a knock and made a couple of punches and not much else for either of them. For me Ekstrand is a good centre half but please will somebody show him how to pass the ball forward. All the time it is sideways and back giving the opposition time to regroup. You could count the forward passes on one hand. The midfield do not always seem to be on the same wavelength and gave away sloppy passes in dangerous positions. As others have said Deeney must get more support. Today his forward colleagues were not strong enough and easily dispossed. As for the new manager three games, one goal conceded and five points. Not a bad start. He looks like he is getting the defence sorted. Good to see men on the posts against corners. Next for the mid-field. Onwards and ujpwards in the New Year. Happy New Year to all at the club and all the supporters. COYH.
Ekstrand had an excellent game and formed a strong partnership with Angella and Doyley. Joel doesn't need anyone to help him pass the ball forward as he is excellent in weighing up what's required unless you just want him to pass it forward and hope. QPR lined everybody up behind the ball and left virtually no space in their half of the field and it required patience and ball retention to try to break them down. If there is no ball on, or it becomes a 50/50, it seems like the new strategy is to be patient and work an opening rather than play it forward for the sake of it. QPR are a decent team and we just lacked that bit of craft to open them up, certainly not the fault of the back three who did an excellent job of keeping the ball and moving it around....albeit not always going forward...but better than giving it away. FFs goal against Millwall was a culmination of eighteen passes with Ekstrand involved three times, not always going forward - see the attached link.

​http://www.youtub
e.com/watch?v=ZWb1sn
Nk7Kc

Overall a decent point against a good side that never looked like they would score against us. The Rs fans could probably say exactly the same about us.
[quote][p][bold]Dunderdale Pinner[/bold] wrote: A draw I think was a fair result. Neither side showed much penetration and the keepers had a relatively easy afternoon. Yes I know Almunia got a knock and made a couple of punches and not much else for either of them. For me Ekstrand is a good centre half but please will somebody show him how to pass the ball forward. All the time it is sideways and back giving the opposition time to regroup. You could count the forward passes on one hand. The midfield do not always seem to be on the same wavelength and gave away sloppy passes in dangerous positions. As others have said Deeney must get more support. Today his forward colleagues were not strong enough and easily dispossed. As for the new manager three games, one goal conceded and five points. Not a bad start. He looks like he is getting the defence sorted. Good to see men on the posts against corners. Next for the mid-field. Onwards and ujpwards in the New Year. Happy New Year to all at the club and all the supporters. COYH.[/p][/quote]Ekstrand had an excellent game and formed a strong partnership with Angella and Doyley. Joel doesn't need anyone to help him pass the ball forward as he is excellent in weighing up what's required unless you just want him to pass it forward and hope. QPR lined everybody up behind the ball and left virtually no space in their half of the field and it required patience and ball retention to try to break them down. If there is no ball on, or it becomes a 50/50, it seems like the new strategy is to be patient and work an opening rather than play it forward for the sake of it. QPR are a decent team and we just lacked that bit of craft to open them up, certainly not the fault of the back three who did an excellent job of keeping the ball and moving it around....albeit not always going forward...but better than giving it away. FFs goal against Millwall was a culmination of eighteen passes with Ekstrand involved three times, not always going forward - see the attached link. ​http://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=ZWb1sn Nk7Kc Overall a decent point against a good side that never looked like they would score against us. The Rs fans could probably say exactly the same about us. anywayasiwasaying
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Barry Scott says...

3 games under Sannino. Unbeaten. Goals scored 5. Goals conceded 1. Clean sheets 2. Ipswich were on a good run. We hammered Millwall albeit they had ten men and we have picked up a decent point against promotion favourites. Today we were also missing our most potent attacking force in Anya.

It wasn't long ago that we were shipping 3 at home to Yeovil.

The coach is showing early signs that he knows what he's doing. You don't win games if you concede all the time.

The future looks bright.
3 games under Sannino. Unbeaten. Goals scored 5. Goals conceded 1. Clean sheets 2. Ipswich were on a good run. We hammered Millwall albeit they had ten men and we have picked up a decent point against promotion favourites. Today we were also missing our most potent attacking force in Anya. It wasn't long ago that we were shipping 3 at home to Yeovil. The coach is showing early signs that he knows what he's doing. You don't win games if you concede all the time. The future looks bright. Barry Scott
  • Score: 22

8:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

jaemae2 says...

I don't think Fabbrini was that good, but he also wasn't that bad. Struck me like Forrestieri out there, both hold the ball way too long and aren't CFs but honestly Fabbrini looks for passes much more to me and finds them at a much higher percentage than Fessi. McGugan was not that good, however I have no issue with him being on the field. He needs to curb the FK attempts at (I mean over) the goal that are useless, but without a CM partner like Abdi he's not going to be at his best. Murray was far worse than McGugan was today. One advantage to McGugan is he will put in goals for the sheer amount of attempts and on a team that has problems scoring you can't overlook that. McGugan also creates the majority of the chances the team has and that's far overlooked.
I don't think Fabbrini was that good, but he also wasn't that bad. Struck me like Forrestieri out there, both hold the ball way too long and aren't CFs but honestly Fabbrini looks for passes much more to me and finds them at a much higher percentage than Fessi. McGugan was not that good, however I have no issue with him being on the field. He needs to curb the FK attempts at (I mean over) the goal that are useless, but without a CM partner like Abdi he's not going to be at his best. Murray was far worse than McGugan was today. One advantage to McGugan is he will put in goals for the sheer amount of attempts and on a team that has problems scoring you can't overlook that. McGugan also creates the majority of the chances the team has and that's far overlooked. jaemae2
  • Score: -14

8:32pm Sun 29 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
[quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH! rogeruk
  • Score: -19

8:33pm Sun 29 Dec 13

WessexLad says...

shifty18: "Deeney needs...a Vydra-type player who he can work with."

We do miss Vydra's pace, but what Deeney really needs is someone who can read his knockdowns, especially as crosses are now regularly finding his head. There was a classic case today where he headed the ball down and back, exactly where Fabbrini should have been. Instead, not so Fab was another 10 yards away.

We're not short of midfielders, so how about McGugan alongside Deeney, with Battochio filling in?
shifty18: "Deeney needs...a Vydra-type player who he can work with." We do miss Vydra's pace, but what Deeney really needs is someone who can read his knockdowns, especially as crosses are now regularly finding his head. There was a classic case today where he headed the ball down and back, exactly where Fabbrini should have been. Instead, not so Fab was another 10 yards away. We're not short of midfielders, so how about McGugan alongside Deeney, with Battochio filling in? WessexLad
  • Score: -3

8:54pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Barry Scott says...

rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Why would he on his way back to Spain? We signed him on a 3 year permanent deal.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Why would he on his way back to Spain? We signed him on a 3 year permanent deal. Barry Scott
  • Score: 1

9:09pm Sun 29 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

onion8837 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful.

All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.
Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it
No was watching on tv here in SA. Does it make a difference do you think?
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful. All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.[/p][/quote]Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it[/p][/quote]No was watching on tv here in SA. Does it make a difference do you think? SAHornet
  • Score: 5

9:12pm Sun 29 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

SAHornet wrote:
onion8837 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful.

All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.
Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it
No was watching on tv here in SA. Does it make a difference do you think?
Apparently, yes
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful. All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.[/p][/quote]Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it[/p][/quote]No was watching on tv here in SA. Does it make a difference do you think?[/p][/quote]Apparently, yes onion8837
  • Score: -9

9:13pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Cuetip says...

An excellent result against a good side. Defense keeps the door closed again which is great confident base to build on.
An excellent result against a good side. Defense keeps the door closed again which is great confident base to build on. Cuetip
  • Score: 6

9:23pm Sun 29 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

onion8837 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
onion8837 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful.

All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.
Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it
No was watching on tv here in SA. Does it make a difference do you think?
Apparently, yes
Well, sorry, I don't quite understand what your point is but have a good evening anyway, ok?
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful. All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.[/p][/quote]Were you actually there ? Doesn't sound like it[/p][/quote]No was watching on tv here in SA. Does it make a difference do you think?[/p][/quote]Apparently, yes[/p][/quote]Well, sorry, I don't quite understand what your point is but have a good evening anyway, ok? SAHornet
  • Score: 6

9:37pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Juniorhornet says...

Needed ff and Anya to break down qpr. If we did have them we would have destroyed them !!!!!
Needed ff and Anya to break down qpr. If we did have them we would have destroyed them !!!!! Juniorhornet
  • Score: 5

9:39pm Sun 29 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong.
Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong. Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly. anywayasiwasaying
  • Score: 7

9:51pm Sun 29 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

Fabrinni is a classic number 10 player who done ok today....His instructions today were to play 5-10 yards behind deeney to be first line of defence when QPR had the ball. Can't believe people on here say Murray and Thorne had good games ??? Both were average and without doubt Angella was MOM solid and calm as usual. So far under new boss we have only conceded a penalty ( which wasn't ) and we look far better at defending. We would all of taken a point today before kick off. With 2 new additions signing soon we will look even better.
Fabrinni is a classic number 10 player who done ok today....His instructions today were to play 5-10 yards behind deeney to be first line of defence when QPR had the ball. Can't believe people on here say Murray and Thorne had good games ??? Both were average and without doubt Angella was MOM solid and calm as usual. So far under new boss we have only conceded a penalty ( which wasn't ) and we look far better at defending. We would all of taken a point today before kick off. With 2 new additions signing soon we will look even better. jasonwatford
  • Score: 6

10:13pm Sun 29 Dec 13

matey_from_brighton says...

Interesting range of opinions on todays individual performances showing how everyone sees it differently. All the defence did what they needed to do today and that is stick to their defensive duties and keep concentration and shape as a unit and hence we restricted QPR to very few chances. I thought Thorne and Murray were the pick of the midfield, both worked hard regaining possession on many occasions (although they were both guilty of the odd misplaced pass). Deeney was clearly much more on his game today and even Fabbrini was ok until he seemed to tire late on and gave the ball away a couple of times in quick succession. We were all crying out for a clean sheet from our team and the manager has made this possible - a pretty god start for him I would say in a new league (and country). I'm sure the attack side of things will fall into place eventually as well.
Interesting range of opinions on todays individual performances showing how everyone sees it differently. All the defence did what they needed to do today and that is stick to their defensive duties and keep concentration and shape as a unit and hence we restricted QPR to very few chances. I thought Thorne and Murray were the pick of the midfield, both worked hard regaining possession on many occasions (although they were both guilty of the odd misplaced pass). Deeney was clearly much more on his game today and even Fabbrini was ok until he seemed to tire late on and gave the ball away a couple of times in quick succession. We were all crying out for a clean sheet from our team and the manager has made this possible - a pretty god start for him I would say in a new league (and country). I'm sure the attack side of things will fall into place eventually as well. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 8

10:23pm Sun 29 Dec 13

parkhouse hornet says...

You could certainly see why QPR have had so many 1-0 wins, good passing, very organised, but little end product.
We closed down very well and Almunia was rarely worked. We looked on a par with one of the best teams in the league, full of ex-prem players.
It isn't as pretty to watch, but 1 goal conceded in 3 games is a big step in the right direction. 90% of the reason for our horrendous 10 game run was down to stupid and avoidable individual errors. We seem to be eliminating them, which could yet see us make a run at the play-offs like '99.
The same result would be nice, maybe too much to hope for ???
You could certainly see why QPR have had so many 1-0 wins, good passing, very organised, but little end product. We closed down very well and Almunia was rarely worked. We looked on a par with one of the best teams in the league, full of ex-prem players. It isn't as pretty to watch, but 1 goal conceded in 3 games is a big step in the right direction. 90% of the reason for our horrendous 10 game run was down to stupid and avoidable individual errors. We seem to be eliminating them, which could yet see us make a run at the play-offs like '99. The same result would be nice, maybe too much to hope for ??? parkhouse hornet
  • Score: 6

10:37pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

I have to say that I'm getting happy now. The GZ change had to be made - Beppe has come in and is already having an impact.

A few weeks ago we would have probably lost this match. A 0-0 draw shows real progress and it'll take time for Beps to get he right set of players playing for him.

I'm happy with 0-0 - it could be a whole lot worse than it is now.

Love you all

HC
I have to say that I'm getting happy now. The GZ change had to be made - Beppe has come in and is already having an impact. A few weeks ago we would have probably lost this match. A 0-0 draw shows real progress and it'll take time for Beps to get he right set of players playing for him. I'm happy with 0-0 - it could be a whole lot worse than it is now. Love you all HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -1

10:42pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Man from Pinner says...

QPR must be the most boring side to visit Vicarage Road in a long time. Not sure what their system was; seemed 1 4 6 nil to me. Our problem was we played into the crowded midfield; no width. It seems only Anya gives us real width. I am sure they were playing to instructions but neither Cassetti nor Bellin got forward very often so there was an absence of good quality crosses.
Defence has certainly toughened up but distribution not as good as against Millwall. Steady progress I suggest.
QPR must be the most boring side to visit Vicarage Road in a long time. Not sure what their system was; seemed 1 4 6 nil to me. Our problem was we played into the crowded midfield; no width. It seems only Anya gives us real width. I am sure they were playing to instructions but neither Cassetti nor Bellin got forward very often so there was an absence of good quality crosses. Defence has certainly toughened up but distribution not as good as against Millwall. Steady progress I suggest. Man from Pinner
  • Score: 1

11:00pm Sun 29 Dec 13

PMJ1966 says...

I liked the team effort today and loved the passion, emotion and commitment of Beppe. Spent parts of the game watching him and it was pure entertainment. Hand gestures, kicking out out things and I'm sure some colourful Italian lingo showed an absolute determination to get things right. Those folk going to new stand behind the dug outs are in for a real treat in watching the agony and emotion of a football manager - great stuff!
I liked the team effort today and loved the passion, emotion and commitment of Beppe. Spent parts of the game watching him and it was pure entertainment. Hand gestures, kicking out out things and I'm sure some colourful Italian lingo showed an absolute determination to get things right. Those folk going to new stand behind the dug outs are in for a real treat in watching the agony and emotion of a football manager - great stuff! PMJ1966
  • Score: 5

11:35pm Sun 29 Dec 13

francowatford says...

I'm not the biggest fan of fabbrinni but I can see why he gets in the team, he is quick and fiddly to deal with, he actually gets us a lot of free kicks, he is to quick for his on good
I'm not the biggest fan of fabbrinni but I can see why he gets in the team, he is quick and fiddly to deal with, he actually gets us a lot of free kicks, he is to quick for his on good francowatford
  • Score: 3

12:39am Mon 30 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
Interesting range of opinions on todays individual performances showing how everyone sees it differently. All the defence did what they needed to do today and that is stick to their defensive duties and keep concentration and shape as a unit and hence we restricted QPR to very few chances. I thought Thorne and Murray were the pick of the midfield, both worked hard regaining possession on many occasions (although they were both guilty of the odd misplaced pass). Deeney was clearly much more on his game today and even Fabbrini was ok until he seemed to tire late on and gave the ball away a couple of times in quick succession. We were all crying out for a clean sheet from our team and the manager has made this possible - a pretty god start for him I would say in a new league (and country). I'm sure the attack side of things will fall into place eventually as well.
Dead right Matey , the differing of opinions on todays individual performances are quite amazing ! to give you my three penny worth as you know I am always right it would be like this, Awful = Casseti,Fabbrini,Fai
r = Doyley, Almunia, Maguigan, Bellerin,Good = Ekstrand, Angella, Deeney,Thorne and MOM Murray. Sorry in advance for the spellings but in the end you know I am right in my summary and I thank you in advance for my unanimous THUMBS UP ;-)
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: Interesting range of opinions on todays individual performances showing how everyone sees it differently. All the defence did what they needed to do today and that is stick to their defensive duties and keep concentration and shape as a unit and hence we restricted QPR to very few chances. I thought Thorne and Murray were the pick of the midfield, both worked hard regaining possession on many occasions (although they were both guilty of the odd misplaced pass). Deeney was clearly much more on his game today and even Fabbrini was ok until he seemed to tire late on and gave the ball away a couple of times in quick succession. We were all crying out for a clean sheet from our team and the manager has made this possible - a pretty god start for him I would say in a new league (and country). I'm sure the attack side of things will fall into place eventually as well.[/p][/quote]Dead right Matey , the differing of opinions on todays individual performances are quite amazing ! to give you my three penny worth as you know I am always right it would be like this, Awful = Casseti,Fabbrini,Fai r = Doyley, Almunia, Maguigan, Bellerin,Good = Ekstrand, Angella, Deeney,Thorne and MOM Murray. Sorry in advance for the spellings but in the end you know I am right in my summary and I thank you in advance for my unanimous THUMBS UP ;-) KeithMercer
  • Score: -13

2:04am Mon 30 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong.
Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.
Anywayasyouweresayin
g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth!

Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc.

Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat!

You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them.

It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right?

If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound.

Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on.

When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh!

Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you!

Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not!
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong. Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.[/p][/quote]Anywayasyouweresayin g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth! Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc. Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat! You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them. It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right? If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound. Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on. When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh! Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you! Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not! rogeruk
  • Score: -11

2:08am Mon 30 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong.
Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.
Anywayasyouweresayin

g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth!

Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc.

Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat!

You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them.

It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right?

If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound.

Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on.

When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh!

Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you!

Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not!
Surprised to see the WO can use print European alphabets, in which case they should write Acuña and not Acuna and the same for all the other players. Is that pedantic enough?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong. Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.[/p][/quote]Anywayasyouweresayin g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth! Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc. Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat! You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them. It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right? If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound. Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on. When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh! Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you! Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not![/p][/quote]Surprised to see the WO can use print European alphabets, in which case they should write Acuña and not Acuna and the same for all the other players. Is that pedantic enough? rogeruk
  • Score: -7

2:12am Mon 30 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I have to say that I'm getting happy now. The GZ change had to be made - Beppe has come in and is already having an impact.

A few weeks ago we would have probably lost this match. A 0-0 draw shows real progress and it'll take time for Beps to get he right set of players playing for him.

I'm happy with 0-0 - it could be a whole lot worse than it is now.

Love you all

HC
We all love you too HC - lol.

MC & HNY, COYH.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I have to say that I'm getting happy now. The GZ change had to be made - Beppe has come in and is already having an impact. A few weeks ago we would have probably lost this match. A 0-0 draw shows real progress and it'll take time for Beps to get he right set of players playing for him. I'm happy with 0-0 - it could be a whole lot worse than it is now. Love you all HC[/p][/quote]We all love you too HC - lol. MC & HNY, COYH. rogeruk
  • Score: -7

4:52am Mon 30 Dec 13

PozzoHornet says...

shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Forestieri has WORKED his way into becoming a fan favourite. He is no longer lazy, in fact he is one of the most hard-working players on the pitch when playing. He has started scoring with more regularity than he did before (although there is still room for improvement on that front), and his contibution to team play is excellent. I agree that shouting at Fabbrini isn't going to help make him better, but you cannot defend or make excuses for the man. He simply doesn't look interested. Perhaps, like Fessi, he needs a run of games OUT of the team to give him some motivation to work harder. I would like to see more of Acuna as he hasn't really been given a proper chance yet. While he wasn't as bad as he has been in previous games, the MOTM award to Fabbrini is scandalous. My MOTM was Bellerin, with Murray a close second. Disagree with Ekstrand's supposed solidity, as well. He grew into the game, but there were a series of poor touches and clearances in the first half from him. I think if he's going to play as a left-sided centre half, he needs to work in his left side a bit more. Also needs to learn how to pass the ball forwards and not simply straight back across to Angella or Thorne.
[quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Forestieri has WORKED his way into becoming a fan favourite. He is no longer lazy, in fact he is one of the most hard-working players on the pitch when playing. He has started scoring with more regularity than he did before (although there is still room for improvement on that front), and his contibution to team play is excellent. I agree that shouting at Fabbrini isn't going to help make him better, but you cannot defend or make excuses for the man. He simply doesn't look interested. Perhaps, like Fessi, he needs a run of games OUT of the team to give him some motivation to work harder. I would like to see more of Acuna as he hasn't really been given a proper chance yet. While he wasn't as bad as he has been in previous games, the MOTM award to Fabbrini is scandalous. My MOTM was Bellerin, with Murray a close second. Disagree with Ekstrand's supposed solidity, as well. He grew into the game, but there were a series of poor touches and clearances in the first half from him. I think if he's going to play as a left-sided centre half, he needs to work in his left side a bit more. Also needs to learn how to pass the ball forwards and not simply straight back across to Angella or Thorne. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 5

5:05am Mon 30 Dec 13

PozzoHornet says...

Man from Pinner wrote:
QPR must be the most boring side to visit Vicarage Road in a long time. Not sure what their system was; seemed 1 4 6 nil to me. Our problem was we played into the crowded midfield; no width. It seems only Anya gives us real width. I am sure they were playing to instructions but neither Cassetti nor Bellin got forward very often so there was an absence of good quality crosses.
Defence has certainly toughened up but distribution not as good as against Millwall. Steady progress I suggest.
Cassetti and Bellerin were too busy dealing with Hoilett and Phillips, two pacy wingers that aren't to be left unmarked. Anya and Faraoni give width, Faraoni more so, as Anya likes to cut in, but Anya is obviously pacier. I think had we played Anya today we may have lost, because Anya offers little protection at the back and Bellerin was outstanding today. Had Phillips in his pocket. No wonder QPR were boring, they were playing Niko Kranjcar, a man who can at best be described as an attacking midfielder, 'upfront'.
[quote][p][bold]Man from Pinner[/bold] wrote: QPR must be the most boring side to visit Vicarage Road in a long time. Not sure what their system was; seemed 1 4 6 nil to me. Our problem was we played into the crowded midfield; no width. It seems only Anya gives us real width. I am sure they were playing to instructions but neither Cassetti nor Bellin got forward very often so there was an absence of good quality crosses. Defence has certainly toughened up but distribution not as good as against Millwall. Steady progress I suggest.[/p][/quote]Cassetti and Bellerin were too busy dealing with Hoilett and Phillips, two pacy wingers that aren't to be left unmarked. Anya and Faraoni give width, Faraoni more so, as Anya likes to cut in, but Anya is obviously pacier. I think had we played Anya today we may have lost, because Anya offers little protection at the back and Bellerin was outstanding today. Had Phillips in his pocket. No wonder QPR were boring, they were playing Niko Kranjcar, a man who can at best be described as an attacking midfielder, 'upfront'. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 5

5:20am Mon 30 Dec 13

PozzoHornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong.
Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.
Anywayasyouweresayin

g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth!

Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc.

Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat!

You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them.

It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right?

If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound.

Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on.

When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh!

Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you!

Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not!
Tbh, you don't have to study Spanish to a high level to know about the squiggly thing and what it does. You can pretty much work it out, like the difference in pronunciation of a C with an acute accent on it and a C without one in most Eastern European languages. The umlaut can also be used on an A if we're really being pedantic here.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong. Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.[/p][/quote]Anywayasyouweresayin g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth! Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc. Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat! You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them. It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right? If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound. Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on. When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh! Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you! Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not![/p][/quote]Tbh, you don't have to study Spanish to a high level to know about the squiggly thing and what it does. You can pretty much work it out, like the difference in pronunciation of a C with an acute accent on it and a C without one in most Eastern European languages. The umlaut can also be used on an A if we're really being pedantic here. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 4

7:54am Mon 30 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Just watched the game again for a second time. Wanted to change my mind about Thorne's and Fabbrini's performances but just can't. Thorne gave the ball away time and time again. Maybe he's just tired.

As for Fabbrini well, he was just so easily brushed off the ball, it was embarrassing. Either that or he ended up on his a*rse claiming a foul. Unable to lift his head to see who to pass to, so he didn't and lost the ball nearly every time he had it. When he did pass it was mainly intercepted without trouble by QPR defence. MOTM ? Really ?
Just watched the game again for a second time. Wanted to change my mind about Thorne's and Fabbrini's performances but just can't. Thorne gave the ball away time and time again. Maybe he's just tired. As for Fabbrini well, he was just so easily brushed off the ball, it was embarrassing. Either that or he ended up on his a*rse claiming a foul. Unable to lift his head to see who to pass to, so he didn't and lost the ball nearly every time he had it. When he did pass it was mainly intercepted without trouble by QPR defence. MOTM ? Really ? SAHornet
  • Score: 3

7:57am Mon 30 Dec 13

Summer breeze says...

Was at the game yesterday, as usual. Surprised by team selection and dubious! But this was a hard-fought game and a tactical game by the managers, producing an exciting game for a 0-0 draw. The boys played very well and Sean Murray has improved so much. Hector Bellerin, Gabriele Angella, George Thorne were excellent. Good work by Mr Sannino. Looking forward to watching the Yeovil match on TV.
Was at the game yesterday, as usual. Surprised by team selection and dubious! But this was a hard-fought game and a tactical game by the managers, producing an exciting game for a 0-0 draw. The boys played very well and Sean Murray has improved so much. Hector Bellerin, Gabriele Angella, George Thorne were excellent. Good work by Mr Sannino. Looking forward to watching the Yeovil match on TV. Summer breeze
  • Score: 3

8:39am Mon 30 Dec 13

InterludeWFC says...

Give Fabbrini a season to settle in England. Of all the players that have come in, he is probably least suited to the English game. He needs time to adapt his game, bulk up, and immerse himself into a new culture - if just one of these was an issue, then it wouldn't be a problem, but Fabbrini has to contend with all three.

So have some patience - he will be worth it.
Give Fabbrini a season to settle in England. Of all the players that have come in, he is probably least suited to the English game. He needs time to adapt his game, bulk up, and immerse himself into a new culture - if just one of these was an issue, then it wouldn't be a problem, but Fabbrini has to contend with all three. So have some patience - he will be worth it. InterludeWFC
  • Score: 8

9:13am Mon 30 Dec 13

demerit says...

SAHornet wrote:
Just watched the game again for a second time. Wanted to change my mind about Thorne's and Fabbrini's performances but just can't. Thorne gave the ball away time and time again. Maybe he's just tired.

As for Fabbrini well, he was just so easily brushed off the ball, it was embarrassing. Either that or he ended up on his a*rse claiming a foul. Unable to lift his head to see who to pass to, so he didn't and lost the ball nearly every time he had it. When he did pass it was mainly intercepted without trouble by QPR defence. MOTM ? Really ?
Just joined this discussion....

Agreed. I came out of the ground saying to my son that whoever judged the MoM couldn't have seen the game and got nods of approval from all around me in the normal crush through the exit. When you're as lightweight and he, you can get away with it by being skilful (which he is), fast (which he is - a bit), and a quick decision maker (which he isn't). So many times, he kept hold of the ball for a second too long and the got bundled off it. I am surprised that in strong winds he can stand up at all. And then all the dramatics when he does get floored - I don't make much noise but I couldn't help shouting "Get up Fabbrini and get on with it!" several times.

Summer Breeze says give him a chance. I agree we should but I am not hopeful unless he changes his style.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Just watched the game again for a second time. Wanted to change my mind about Thorne's and Fabbrini's performances but just can't. Thorne gave the ball away time and time again. Maybe he's just tired. As for Fabbrini well, he was just so easily brushed off the ball, it was embarrassing. Either that or he ended up on his a*rse claiming a foul. Unable to lift his head to see who to pass to, so he didn't and lost the ball nearly every time he had it. When he did pass it was mainly intercepted without trouble by QPR defence. MOTM ? Really ?[/p][/quote]Just joined this discussion.... Agreed. I came out of the ground saying to my son that whoever judged the MoM couldn't have seen the game and got nods of approval from all around me in the normal crush through the exit. When you're as lightweight and he, you can get away with it by being skilful (which he is), fast (which he is - a bit), and a quick decision maker (which he isn't). So many times, he kept hold of the ball for a second too long and the got bundled off it. I am surprised that in strong winds he can stand up at all. And then all the dramatics when he does get floored - I don't make much noise but I couldn't help shouting "Get up Fabbrini and get on with it!" several times. Summer Breeze says give him a chance. I agree we should but I am not hopeful unless he changes his style. demerit
  • Score: 0

9:19am Mon 30 Dec 13

dorphil says...

Shame about Forestieri and Anya not playing certainly think we would have won with them. Thought QPR were poor despite a fair bit of possession. As for Fabrini he seems to make a lot of good runs across defences nobody wanted to pass to him in those positions especially in the first. I think they need to work on his body strength as he appears to get shrugged of the ball too easily.
Defence looks more solid
Shame about Forestieri and Anya not playing certainly think we would have won with them. Thought QPR were poor despite a fair bit of possession. As for Fabrini he seems to make a lot of good runs across defences nobody wanted to pass to him in those positions especially in the first. I think they need to work on his body strength as he appears to get shrugged of the ball too easily. Defence looks more solid dorphil
  • Score: 3

9:22am Mon 30 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong.
Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.
Anywayasyouweresayin


g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth!

Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc.

Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat!

You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them.

It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right?

If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound.

Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on.

When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh!

Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you!

Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not!
Tbh, you don't have to study Spanish to a high level to know about the squiggly thing and what it does. You can pretty much work it out, like the difference in pronunciation of a C with an acute accent on it and a C without one in most Eastern European languages. The umlaut can also be used on an A if we're really being pedantic here.
Touché
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong. Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.[/p][/quote]Anywayasyouweresayin g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth! Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc. Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat! You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them. It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right? If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound. Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on. When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh! Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you! Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not![/p][/quote]Tbh, you don't have to study Spanish to a high level to know about the squiggly thing and what it does. You can pretty much work it out, like the difference in pronunciation of a C with an acute accent on it and a C without one in most Eastern European languages. The umlaut can also be used on an A if we're really being pedantic here.[/p][/quote]Touché Harry's Bar
  • Score: 1

9:55am Mon 30 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong.
Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.
Anywayasyouweresayin

g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth!

Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc.

Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat!

You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them.

It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right?

If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound.

Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on.

When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh!

Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you!

Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not!
I think we can safely say that Roger has successfully risen to the bait on this one......
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong. Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.[/p][/quote]Anywayasyouweresayin g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth! Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc. Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat! You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them. It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right? If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound. Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on. When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh! Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you! Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not![/p][/quote]I think we can safely say that Roger has successfully risen to the bait on this one...... Stoney77
  • Score: 8

10:23am Mon 30 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box.

McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass.

Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid.

Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!.

Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams.

However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins.

Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half!

69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season!

COYH!
Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong.
Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.
Anywayasyouweresayin



g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth!

Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc.

Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat!

You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them.

It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right?

If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound.

Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on.

When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh!

Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you!

Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not!
Tbh, you don't have to study Spanish to a high level to know about the squiggly thing and what it does. You can pretty much work it out, like the difference in pronunciation of a C with an acute accent on it and a C without one in most Eastern European languages. The umlaut can also be used on an A if we're really being pedantic here.
Touché
C'mon Rog , I haven't studied Spanish but I know how to spell Eustace, Forsyth and Deeney. You tell me 'It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it'...interesting. You know nothing about my views on Bassini because I've never posted them and your childish and pathetic reference to my parentage certainly required none of your self proclaimed intellect and nous. I hope you have a good day with all your mates today and please give my regards to the nurse.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Not a bad summary of the game! Doyley was terrible every-time he gets the ball he thinks it's a hot potato, he can't get rid quick enough and that's why he slips in dangerous positions around the penalty box. McGugan was simply awful! Fabbrini is obviously a talented footballer but not in England, its like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, he loses the ball so often in midfield he is a liability and he is always one pass short of a killer pass. Cassetti, at times is irresponsible, giving away the free kick in the last minutes was downright stupid. Acunya is a major disappointment; slow around the box and not up to it. Surely he is on his way back to Spain!. Deeny had a good game in my view, with very little support he looked interested and (dare I say it) class at times with his awareness and passing. I am no fan of his attitude but he is developing into a very good footballer, if we could get Vydra back with Deeny for the second half of the season would be sensational! Not only that but those two in the same team scare the sh*t out of other championship teams. However, it showed the strength of the team game today in that the team organisation covered up the weaknesses of the above mentioned players. I think QPR were underwhelming and a more confident Beppe Sannino (say five games on) would have pushed up in the last 15 mins. Had Zola been given the push about six games ago we would be sitting in the top three now! Derby now in second place, who we played off the field in the first half of the game at home and then threw the game away in the second half! 69 points still to play for. 40 more points for the play-off's (seventy-ish) or 50 to 55 (80 to 85) for automatic promotion. Its still on (look at Derby)? Run of seven wins and they are in automatic promotion place with Forsythe and Euston two ex Hornets who could not get into Watford's team last season! COYH![/p][/quote]Rog, how have you been. 'Not a bad summary of the game' in response to Shifty's post - blimey was that a compliment Rog. You could have said it was a good summary of the game rather than not bad but maybe next time.I am disappointed that of the nine players you mentioned in your post you managed to spell four of their names incorrectly. I'm not nit picking, and I'm sure you won't mind me referring to the errors, but I thought that you would want to know that you actually got something wrong. Turning to your forecasting skills and analysis I actually agree that our season is far from over and there is everything to play for and a run of wins changes things significantly.[/p][/quote]Anywayasyouweresayin g, what’s that? Pedantic is not a good quality! You must be a jobsworth! Pity you don't make any constructive comments eg on sacking Zola much earlier than he was sacked, you know it makes sense! Zola completely ‘lost the plot’ especially when he brought his best buddy in as No 2!. In his last 10 games Zola was sinking fast with his comments on the consecutive losses such as “we are always working hard and training hard” etc. Zola was good for one season, he was a 'one trick Pony' he played in teams where he knew how to counter attack, It worked for a season, until British managers worked it out, quite a few of the upper championship teams are now playing this way to various degrees. Zola knew almost nothing about defence and tactics hence this season’s debacle! We were in serious trouble with relegation a real threat! You know even your sarcasm ""Turning to your forecasting skills" shows a begrudging bitter mind! The fact is there are a few on here with intellect and 'nous' who got Bassini right and Zola right and you were most definitely not one of them. It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it, you retort to petty things like players names, you probably think I spelt Acuna wrong - right? If you had studied Spanish to a high level you would know his actual name is Acuña his full name is Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero (I put the correct n with a Spanish squiggle on top (probably the WO cannot print it correctly) the n with a little squiggle over the top is pronounced (nya) however, we don’t have that n in the English alphabet so it is permissible to write Acunya to imitate the same Spanish sound. Other European languages also have different alphabets and use different letters which English type doesn’t have another example in German an 'umlaut' two little dots over an o or u would using the English alphabet have an extra e added. In French similar stuff and so on. When writing at two in the morning I don’t bother much with non-English names as most people get it wrong anyway and don’t bother. Some commentators call him Acuniaaayeh! Carlos Javier Acuña Caballero is his full name, Carlos Javier his two first names and Acunya Caballero is the surname of his mother and father, basically to show everybody he is legally legitimate, I suspect unlike you! Just to round it off one of his surnames is Caballero which means gentleman. Curious really; his name has said in four words everything you are not![/p][/quote]Tbh, you don't have to study Spanish to a high level to know about the squiggly thing and what it does. You can pretty much work it out, like the difference in pronunciation of a C with an acute accent on it and a C without one in most Eastern European languages. The umlaut can also be used on an A if we're really being pedantic here.[/p][/quote]Touché[/p][/quote]C'mon Rog , I haven't studied Spanish but I know how to spell Eustace, Forsyth and Deeney. You tell me 'It speaks little for you and your character that you get things wrong and don't or can't admit it'...interesting. You know nothing about my views on Bassini because I've never posted them and your childish and pathetic reference to my parentage certainly required none of your self proclaimed intellect and nous. I hope you have a good day with all your mates today and please give my regards to the nurse. anywayasiwasaying
  • Score: 9

10:31am Mon 30 Dec 13

rousman 2 says...

SAHornet wrote:
Just watched the game again for a second time. Wanted to change my mind about Thorne's and Fabbrini's performances but just can't. Thorne gave the ball away time and time again. Maybe he's just tired.

As for Fabbrini well, he was just so easily brushed off the ball, it was embarrassing. Either that or he ended up on his a*rse claiming a foul. Unable to lift his head to see who to pass to, so he didn't and lost the ball nearly every time he had it. When he did pass it was mainly intercepted without trouble by QPR defence. MOTM ? Really ?
No need to change your mind about Fabbrini you were correct first time around, as we were leaving the ground they gave out MOM and most people just laughed, alright do not boo your own player's but MOM ??
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Just watched the game again for a second time. Wanted to change my mind about Thorne's and Fabbrini's performances but just can't. Thorne gave the ball away time and time again. Maybe he's just tired. As for Fabbrini well, he was just so easily brushed off the ball, it was embarrassing. Either that or he ended up on his a*rse claiming a foul. Unable to lift his head to see who to pass to, so he didn't and lost the ball nearly every time he had it. When he did pass it was mainly intercepted without trouble by QPR defence. MOTM ? Really ?[/p][/quote]No need to change your mind about Fabbrini you were correct first time around, as we were leaving the ground they gave out MOM and most people just laughed, alright do not boo your own player's but MOM ?? rousman 2
  • Score: 3

11:11am Mon 30 Dec 13

Denzil D says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
shifty18 wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Forestieri has WORKED his way into becoming a fan favourite. He is no longer lazy, in fact he is one of the most hard-working players on the pitch when playing. He has started scoring with more regularity than he did before (although there is still room for improvement on that front), and his contibution to team play is excellent. I agree that shouting at Fabbrini isn't going to help make him better, but you cannot defend or make excuses for the man. He simply doesn't look interested. Perhaps, like Fessi, he needs a run of games OUT of the team to give him some motivation to work harder. I would like to see more of Acuna as he hasn't really been given a proper chance yet. While he wasn't as bad as he has been in previous games, the MOTM award to Fabbrini is scandalous. My MOTM was Bellerin, with Murray a close second. Disagree with Ekstrand's supposed solidity, as well. He grew into the game, but there were a series of poor touches and clearances in the first half from him. I think if he's going to play as a left-sided centre half, he needs to work in his left side a bit more. Also needs to learn how to pass the ball forwards and not simply straight back across to Angella or Thorne.
Its' harsh to say Fabbrini's not looking interested. He always looks for space and shows for the ball, trying to make something happen rather than just offload safely.
I guess he's been coached to hold the ball until a clear forward passing option appears. On Saturday, with our conservative approach, it hardly ever did and eventually he'd get brushed off the ball.

Having said that, what has disappointed me about him are his weak ball-retention attempts under physical challenge, and his lack of 'vision' to see the less obvious pass.
The first problem would be helped with a strength conditioning program. But it's more than that, it's about changing his mindset not to look to go down on contact, and ball-shielding technique (body shape and positioning) to protect the ball better.
It's hard to coach better passing 'vision', so i would prefer to see him turn away from pressure more often to retain the ball and pass simply, if no dribble or forward pass is on. At the very least that should reduce the shameful booing from our own fans.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Forestieri has WORKED his way into becoming a fan favourite. He is no longer lazy, in fact he is one of the most hard-working players on the pitch when playing. He has started scoring with more regularity than he did before (although there is still room for improvement on that front), and his contibution to team play is excellent. I agree that shouting at Fabbrini isn't going to help make him better, but you cannot defend or make excuses for the man. He simply doesn't look interested. Perhaps, like Fessi, he needs a run of games OUT of the team to give him some motivation to work harder. I would like to see more of Acuna as he hasn't really been given a proper chance yet. While he wasn't as bad as he has been in previous games, the MOTM award to Fabbrini is scandalous. My MOTM was Bellerin, with Murray a close second. Disagree with Ekstrand's supposed solidity, as well. He grew into the game, but there were a series of poor touches and clearances in the first half from him. I think if he's going to play as a left-sided centre half, he needs to work in his left side a bit more. Also needs to learn how to pass the ball forwards and not simply straight back across to Angella or Thorne.[/p][/quote]Its' harsh to say Fabbrini's not looking interested. He always looks for space and shows for the ball, trying to make something happen rather than just offload safely. I guess he's been coached to hold the ball until a clear forward passing option appears. On Saturday, with our conservative approach, it hardly ever did and eventually he'd get brushed off the ball. Having said that, what has disappointed me about him are his weak ball-retention attempts under physical challenge, and his lack of 'vision' to see the less obvious pass. The first problem would be helped with a strength conditioning program. But it's more than that, it's about changing his mindset not to look to go down on contact, and ball-shielding technique (body shape and positioning) to protect the ball better. It's hard to coach better passing 'vision', so i would prefer to see him turn away from pressure more often to retain the ball and pass simply, if no dribble or forward pass is on. At the very least that should reduce the shameful booing from our own fans. Denzil D
  • Score: 0

11:53am Mon 30 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
shifty18 wrote:
Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite.

MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing

Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January!

Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.
Forestieri has WORKED his way into becoming a fan favourite. He is no longer lazy, in fact he is one of the most hard-working players on the pitch when playing. He has started scoring with more regularity than he did before (although there is still room for improvement on that front), and his contibution to team play is excellent. I agree that shouting at Fabbrini isn't going to help make him better, but you cannot defend or make excuses for the man. He simply doesn't look interested. Perhaps, like Fessi, he needs a run of games OUT of the team to give him some motivation to work harder. I would like to see more of Acuna as he hasn't really been given a proper chance yet. While he wasn't as bad as he has been in previous games, the MOTM award to Fabbrini is scandalous. My MOTM was Bellerin, with Murray a close second. Disagree with Ekstrand's supposed solidity, as well. He grew into the game, but there were a series of poor touches and clearances in the first half from him. I think if he's going to play as a left-sided centre half, he needs to work in his left side a bit more. Also needs to learn how to pass the ball forwards and not simply straight back across to Angella or Thorne.
When Fabbrini gets battered by defenders he just gets up and goes again which would suggest that he is interested, and maybe he holds onto the ball for too long because there isn't a quality pass to play. You don't get into the Italy squad if you're no good, and he does work hard, just not in a muck & nettles way. Cut the guy some slack.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shifty18[/bold] wrote: Before the anti-Fabbrini crew arrive, I don't see how booing him and verbally abusing him is helping him or the team. Yes, he has parts of his game he has to improve but the players around him were poor too and gave little in support. Yes he needs to pass more and not fall down as much but Forestieri was exactly the same but lazier, now he's a fan favourite. MOTM had to be either Angella or Ekstrand, both were solid, Almunia was decent as was Bellerin, Thorne looked bright. Murray, McGugan, Fabbrini and Deeney all need to learn to work together, very disjointed and didn't support each other. Cassetti was ok but too slow at times and gave away some silly fouls. Doyley was disappointing Looks like Sannino's first priority is keeping defensively sound, sensible but not very exciting, WE NEED PACE! Roll on January! Overall, a decent point against a side likely to go up.[/p][/quote]Forestieri has WORKED his way into becoming a fan favourite. He is no longer lazy, in fact he is one of the most hard-working players on the pitch when playing. He has started scoring with more regularity than he did before (although there is still room for improvement on that front), and his contibution to team play is excellent. I agree that shouting at Fabbrini isn't going to help make him better, but you cannot defend or make excuses for the man. He simply doesn't look interested. Perhaps, like Fessi, he needs a run of games OUT of the team to give him some motivation to work harder. I would like to see more of Acuna as he hasn't really been given a proper chance yet. While he wasn't as bad as he has been in previous games, the MOTM award to Fabbrini is scandalous. My MOTM was Bellerin, with Murray a close second. Disagree with Ekstrand's supposed solidity, as well. He grew into the game, but there were a series of poor touches and clearances in the first half from him. I think if he's going to play as a left-sided centre half, he needs to work in his left side a bit more. Also needs to learn how to pass the ball forwards and not simply straight back across to Angella or Thorne.[/p][/quote]When Fabbrini gets battered by defenders he just gets up and goes again which would suggest that he is interested, and maybe he holds onto the ball for too long because there isn't a quality pass to play. You don't get into the Italy squad if you're no good, and he does work hard, just not in a muck & nettles way. Cut the guy some slack. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Chris the Vic says...

I thought Troy had a good game really worked hard without tremendous support.
Our back three need to pass forward and accurately. Eckstrand was particularly poor with his passing and Angella was not much better.

As for Swarbrick at one time I thought he had a QPR shirt on...he was very poor and inept...rather like most of the players a half decent championship side would have won against either side.
I thought Troy had a good game really worked hard without tremendous support. Our back three need to pass forward and accurately. Eckstrand was particularly poor with his passing and Angella was not much better. As for Swarbrick at one time I thought he had a QPR shirt on...he was very poor and inept...rather like most of the players a half decent championship side would have won against either side. Chris the Vic
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Mon 30 Dec 13

steveinmk says...

I have to say I didn't hear any booing of Fabbrini, which is both unnecessary and unfair - but the general incredulity that greeted the MOTM award was also justified. He could well have been brought off ten minutes earlier to give Acuna longer run ... although Acuna v Barton looked as though it might have a red card or two attached if it went on for much longer.

Fabbrini is just running into trouble at the moment - he's undoubtedly skilful and agree that it's much too early to write him off, but he's got to work on the release of the ball (to a Watford player, not just an opposing defender!) - to be fair, having a few more options would help, and with the wing backs having their hands full with defensive duties, seeing McGugan in some more advanced positions with a bit more urgency certainly would be welcome.
I have to say I didn't hear any booing of Fabbrini, which is both unnecessary and unfair - but the general incredulity that greeted the MOTM award was also justified. He could well have been brought off ten minutes earlier to give Acuna longer run ... although Acuna v Barton looked as though it might have a red card or two attached if it went on for much longer. Fabbrini is just running into trouble at the moment - he's undoubtedly skilful and agree that it's much too early to write him off, but he's got to work on the release of the ball (to a Watford player, not just an opposing defender!) - to be fair, having a few more options would help, and with the wing backs having their hands full with defensive duties, seeing McGugan in some more advanced positions with a bit more urgency certainly would be welcome. steveinmk
  • Score: 5

3:33pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Oracledave says...

steveinmk wrote:
I have to say I didn't hear any booing of Fabbrini, which is both unnecessary and unfair - but the general incredulity that greeted the MOTM award was also justified. He could well have been brought off ten minutes earlier to give Acuna longer run ... although Acuna v Barton looked as though it might have a red card or two attached if it went on for much longer.

Fabbrini is just running into trouble at the moment - he's undoubtedly skilful and agree that it's much too early to write him off, but he's got to work on the release of the ball (to a Watford player, not just an opposing defender!) - to be fair, having a few more options would help, and with the wing backs having their hands full with defensive duties, seeing McGugan in some more advanced positions with a bit more urgency certainly would be welcome.
Agree with the request not to write Fabbrini off. The ability to run at defenders whilst retaining close control on either foot is not a common commodity and could win vital games. And remember it was Fabb that neatly played in Fessi for the injury time horror miss against Wednesday.

Having said that his ability to run into blind alleys is frustrating. Hopefully the coaches are working on it. For the foreseeable future I would think his best contribution will be coming off the bench against tiring opposition - particularly if we increase our striking options in the January window.
[quote][p][bold]steveinmk[/bold] wrote: I have to say I didn't hear any booing of Fabbrini, which is both unnecessary and unfair - but the general incredulity that greeted the MOTM award was also justified. He could well have been brought off ten minutes earlier to give Acuna longer run ... although Acuna v Barton looked as though it might have a red card or two attached if it went on for much longer. Fabbrini is just running into trouble at the moment - he's undoubtedly skilful and agree that it's much too early to write him off, but he's got to work on the release of the ball (to a Watford player, not just an opposing defender!) - to be fair, having a few more options would help, and with the wing backs having their hands full with defensive duties, seeing McGugan in some more advanced positions with a bit more urgency certainly would be welcome.[/p][/quote]Agree with the request not to write Fabbrini off. The ability to run at defenders whilst retaining close control on either foot is not a common commodity and could win vital games. And remember it was Fabb that neatly played in Fessi for the injury time horror miss against Wednesday. Having said that his ability to run into blind alleys is frustrating. Hopefully the coaches are working on it. For the foreseeable future I would think his best contribution will be coming off the bench against tiring opposition - particularly if we increase our striking options in the January window. Oracledave
  • Score: 0

5:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Boosey says...

I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place?
Absolutely woeful!
I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place? Absolutely woeful! Boosey
  • Score: 4

5:27pm Mon 30 Dec 13

demerit says...

Boosey wrote:
I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place?
Absolutely woeful!
Agreed. So slow. But there was one moment in the 2nd half when I had never seen him run so fast. I thought he must have one of those flares down his shorts. Annoyed me though because it proves he can do it and why doesn't he always do that. He slows the game up so much and even when he receives a needle threading pass, he stops and passes it backwards.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place? Absolutely woeful![/p][/quote]Agreed. So slow. But there was one moment in the 2nd half when I had never seen him run so fast. I thought he must have one of those flares down his shorts. Annoyed me though because it proves he can do it and why doesn't he always do that. He slows the game up so much and even when he receives a needle threading pass, he stops and passes it backwards. demerit
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Mon 30 Dec 13

lutondown says...

SAHornet wrote:
Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful.

All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.
I cannot believe your correct assessment got the thumbs down, it is bang on.
McGugan is a weak tackler,when he can be bothered, his positioning is awful and he's a one trick pony at set pieces..
He would of come off and Murray left on.
Anyway chaps departures January will be Fabrinni, Acuna, Iriney and Deeney...
Come on you tools get them thumbs out, I want a record.. I've started by giving myself a thumbs down :-)
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Easy to see that Sannino is starting at the back and working his way forward. Defence looks a bit stronger now and can only hope that he will deal next with the likes of Thorne and McGugan who gave the ball away far too cheaply time and time again and had no penetration. Felt sorry for Troy who laboured away in vain all afternoon and as for Fabbrini, well, the least said the better I think - woeful just woeful. All in all tho a good point against a reasonably good side who may or may not get auto-promo depending on what they do in the window next month. As things stand now, QPR look pretty poor.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe your correct assessment got the thumbs down, it is bang on. McGugan is a weak tackler,when he can be bothered, his positioning is awful and he's a one trick pony at set pieces.. He would of come off and Murray left on. Anyway chaps departures January will be Fabrinni, Acuna, Iriney and Deeney... Come on you tools get them thumbs out, I want a record.. I've started by giving myself a thumbs down :-) lutondown
  • Score: -2

7:42pm Mon 30 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

Boosey wrote:
I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place?
Absolutely woeful!
you do spout some grade a ****
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place? Absolutely woeful![/p][/quote]you do spout some grade a **** onion8837
  • Score: -5

8:25pm Mon 30 Dec 13

lutondown says...

onion8837 wrote:
Boosey wrote:
I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place?
Absolutely woeful!
you do spout some grade a ****
Why? Everything he said is true...go peel yourself and cry
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place? Absolutely woeful![/p][/quote]you do spout some grade a ****[/p][/quote]Why? Everything he said is true...go peel yourself and cry lutondown
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8:48pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Boosey says...

onion8837 wrote:
Boosey wrote:
I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place?
Absolutely woeful!
you do spout some grade a ****
Had your pop at SA Hornet, now me. In my opinion, McGugan is not worthy of a place in the team.
For now I won't bite but keep your opinion of me to yourself in future.
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: I will always support a player, no matter how bad he is playing, as long as he puts the effort in but McGugan, how does he get picked in the first place? Absolutely woeful![/p][/quote]you do spout some grade a ****[/p][/quote]Had your pop at SA Hornet, now me. In my opinion, McGugan is not worthy of a place in the team. For now I won't bite but keep your opinion of me to yourself in future. Boosey
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