Udinese clash will tell Beppe Sannino if Watford are ready for their Championship opener with Bolton Wanderers

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First published in Watford FC News by

Beppe Sannino has suggested Watford’s intense training schedule could be influencing his team’s performances during pre-season but believes tonight’s 1-0 loss to Coventry City may help reduce the chance of suffering defeats in the future.

The Hornets were poor during the first half at Boreham Wood’s Meadow Park and whilst they improved in the second period, the Golden Boys struggled to create clear-cut chances against the League 1 club.

Sannino said: “I am not happy that we lost the friendly match but this result can become very important because it is better that we don’t lose the next match [against Udinese].”

The Golden Boys take on the Italian club on Saturday in their final first team friendly before their Championship campaign starts on August 9 against Bolton Wanderers.

Sannino has been regularly holding double sessions during pre-season as he attempts to improve his players’ fitness.

And he said: “Yesterday (Tuesday) we worked too much. It is very important that we prepare the team better now for the first official match. But I am disappointed that we lost because I always want to win.

“Coventry were organised and aggressive and they are a team who are better than League 1 but now my team must think about their work and on Saturday there is a match with more probability of seeing if my team are ready or still not ready [for the start of the season].”

When asked if he believes the intense fitness work has been influencing his team’s performances, he added: “We continued the working programme for my team. The staff know the Championship lasts a long time and we need to be prepared for the whole season.

“This result tonight could mean we don’t lose in the future.”

Watford struggled to control possession against Steven Pressley’s men despite having a far superior squad in terms of experience and technical quality.

The Hornets had several shots on goal but the large majority were from outside the area.

Sannino said: “I would like to win [against Udinese] and for sure [play] with more possession, with the players faster and with the players getting behind the defence more.”

Read a report from the match here.

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12:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

D.unstable says...

Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team.

I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines.

Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors.

Thanks
Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team. I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines. Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors. Thanks D.unstable
  • Score: 57

12:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

lockerbiehornet says...

Worked too hard??? Phew I feel a muscle imbalance of my index finger coming on!
Worked too hard??? Phew I feel a muscle imbalance of my index finger coming on! lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 8

1:02am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

I'm a firm believer in the 'friendles mean nothing' mentality. Every single preseason, without exception, we are poor against nobodies and/or boss big clubs... Whether it's 3-3 against Northampton or 1-1 against Inter Milan (both real Watford FC preseason friendlies within the last 8 years), it never seems to have a serious impact on how well we play in the Championship.

And if Sannino has been using double training sessions here there and everywhere, well that just shows that there isn't a massive amount to worry about.

I, like everyone else, will lose confidence in Sannino if we aren't in the top 6 after 10 games. But right now there is no reason to worry about it...
I'm a firm believer in the 'friendles mean nothing' mentality. Every single preseason, without exception, we are poor against nobodies and/or boss big clubs... Whether it's 3-3 against Northampton or 1-1 against Inter Milan (both real Watford FC preseason friendlies within the last 8 years), it never seems to have a serious impact on how well we play in the Championship. And if Sannino has been using double training sessions here there and everywhere, well that just shows that there isn't a massive amount to worry about. I, like everyone else, will lose confidence in Sannino if we aren't in the top 6 after 10 games. But right now there is no reason to worry about it... The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 39

1:19am Thu 31 Jul 14

mkhornet says...

The Skeptical Optimist wrote:
I'm a firm believer in the 'friendles mean nothing' mentality. Every single preseason, without exception, we are poor against nobodies and/or boss big clubs... Whether it's 3-3 against Northampton or 1-1 against Inter Milan (both real Watford FC preseason friendlies within the last 8 years), it never seems to have a serious impact on how well we play in the Championship.

And if Sannino has been using double training sessions here there and everywhere, well that just shows that there isn't a massive amount to worry about.

I, like everyone else, will lose confidence in Sannino if we aren't in the top 6 after 10 games. But right now there is no reason to worry about it...
Fair assessment. We made a very good start to last season and had 18 points after 10 games, I'd be happy with the same start this season. It's the second batch of games where to wheels started to come off last season with only 7 points from games 11-20. so 18 points from the first 10 games but then we must kick on from there. The previous season (when we got to the play off's) we had 13 points from the first 10 games.
[quote][p][bold]The Skeptical Optimist[/bold] wrote: I'm a firm believer in the 'friendles mean nothing' mentality. Every single preseason, without exception, we are poor against nobodies and/or boss big clubs... Whether it's 3-3 against Northampton or 1-1 against Inter Milan (both real Watford FC preseason friendlies within the last 8 years), it never seems to have a serious impact on how well we play in the Championship. And if Sannino has been using double training sessions here there and everywhere, well that just shows that there isn't a massive amount to worry about. I, like everyone else, will lose confidence in Sannino if we aren't in the top 6 after 10 games. But right now there is no reason to worry about it...[/p][/quote]Fair assessment. We made a very good start to last season and had 18 points after 10 games, I'd be happy with the same start this season. It's the second batch of games where to wheels started to come off last season with only 7 points from games 11-20. so 18 points from the first 10 games but then we must kick on from there. The previous season (when we got to the play off's) we had 13 points from the first 10 games. mkhornet
  • Score: 8

6:41am Thu 31 Jul 14

endean2 says...

D.unstable wrote:
Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team.

I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines.

Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors.

Thanks
totally agree with you there.
I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager.
Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the
translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months
certainly do not inspire me.
In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved
goodbye to him last April.

cue thumbs down AGGGGH.
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team. I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines. Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors. Thanks[/p][/quote]totally agree with you there. I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager. Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months certainly do not inspire me. In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved goodbye to him last April. cue thumbs down AGGGGH. endean2
  • Score: -5

6:49am Thu 31 Jul 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

... or the 4-3-3

Please go 3-5-2. We score so many that way!
... or the 4-3-3 Please go 3-5-2. We score so many that way! JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 8

6:49am Thu 31 Jul 14

WanderingDynamo says...

endean2 - "Weather its the language.."

HA! Good one! Cleverly misspelling 'whether' when talking about the communicative skills of the manager. Very funny!
endean2 - "Weather its the language.." HA! Good one! Cleverly misspelling 'whether' when talking about the communicative skills of the manager. Very funny! WanderingDynamo
  • Score: 24

7:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

lutondown says...

endean2 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team.

I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines.

Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors.

Thanks
totally agree with you there.
I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager.
Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the
translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months
certainly do not inspire me.
In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved
goodbye to him last April.

cue thumbs down AGGGGH.
Agreed
I think he's better suited to pushing hospital trolleys
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team. I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines. Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors. Thanks[/p][/quote]totally agree with you there. I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager. Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months certainly do not inspire me. In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved goodbye to him last April. cue thumbs down AGGGGH.[/p][/quote]Agreed I think he's better suited to pushing hospital trolleys lutondown
  • Score: -3

7:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

lutondown says...

endean2 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team.

I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines.

Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors.

Thanks
totally agree with you there.
I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager.
Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the
translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months
certainly do not inspire me.
In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved
goodbye to him last April.

cue thumbs down AGGGGH.
Agreed
I think he's better suited to pushing hospital trolleys
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team. I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines. Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors. Thanks[/p][/quote]totally agree with you there. I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager. Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months certainly do not inspire me. In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved goodbye to him last April. cue thumbs down AGGGGH.[/p][/quote]Agreed I think he's better suited to pushing hospital trolleys lutondown
  • Score: -13

8:14am Thu 31 Jul 14

QUINNPT says...

Come on guys get real. What would you rather he say that the training regime is fine and dandy.
I rather he be honest and upfront than trying to hide behind a smoke screen.
The real test will start on the 9th August.
As GT use to say give it the first 13 games which will give you an insight into how our season will be.
Just get behind team an stop moaning.
Come on guys get real. What would you rather he say that the training regime is fine and dandy. I rather he be honest and upfront than trying to hide behind a smoke screen. The real test will start on the 9th August. As GT use to say give it the first 13 games which will give you an insight into how our season will be. Just get behind team an stop moaning. QUINNPT
  • Score: 15

8:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

Surbiton says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
... or the 4-3-3

Please go 3-5-2. We score so many that way!
For the Championship it has got to be 4 4 2 for me. But hey what do I know!
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: ... or the 4-3-3 Please go 3-5-2. We score so many that way![/p][/quote]For the Championship it has got to be 4 4 2 for me. But hey what do I know! Surbiton
  • Score: 4

8:47am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

mkhornet wrote:
The Skeptical Optimist wrote:
I'm a firm believer in the 'friendles mean nothing' mentality. Every single preseason, without exception, we are poor against nobodies and/or boss big clubs... Whether it's 3-3 against Northampton or 1-1 against Inter Milan (both real Watford FC preseason friendlies within the last 8 years), it never seems to have a serious impact on how well we play in the Championship.

And if Sannino has been using double training sessions here there and everywhere, well that just shows that there isn't a massive amount to worry about.

I, like everyone else, will lose confidence in Sannino if we aren't in the top 6 after 10 games. But right now there is no reason to worry about it...
Fair assessment. We made a very good start to last season and had 18 points after 10 games, I'd be happy with the same start this season. It's the second batch of games where to wheels started to come off last season with only 7 points from games 11-20. so 18 points from the first 10 games but then we must kick on from there. The previous season (when we got to the play off's) we had 13 points from the first 10 games.
Well, to be honest, I distinctly remember watching the early games from August to early October last season. I was happy that we were picking up points, but we were never convincing, and I think over half of our goals had been scored in only two games against Bournemouth and Barnsley. And then, lo and behold, we didn't win for the entire 3 months when I went to University.

Yes, I would expect us to be top 6 after 10 games, although apart from that it's the manner in which we get there...
[quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Skeptical Optimist[/bold] wrote: I'm a firm believer in the 'friendles mean nothing' mentality. Every single preseason, without exception, we are poor against nobodies and/or boss big clubs... Whether it's 3-3 against Northampton or 1-1 against Inter Milan (both real Watford FC preseason friendlies within the last 8 years), it never seems to have a serious impact on how well we play in the Championship. And if Sannino has been using double training sessions here there and everywhere, well that just shows that there isn't a massive amount to worry about. I, like everyone else, will lose confidence in Sannino if we aren't in the top 6 after 10 games. But right now there is no reason to worry about it...[/p][/quote]Fair assessment. We made a very good start to last season and had 18 points after 10 games, I'd be happy with the same start this season. It's the second batch of games where to wheels started to come off last season with only 7 points from games 11-20. so 18 points from the first 10 games but then we must kick on from there. The previous season (when we got to the play off's) we had 13 points from the first 10 games.[/p][/quote]Well, to be honest, I distinctly remember watching the early games from August to early October last season. I was happy that we were picking up points, but we were never convincing, and I think over half of our goals had been scored in only two games against Bournemouth and Barnsley. And then, lo and behold, we didn't win for the entire 3 months when I went to University. Yes, I would expect us to be top 6 after 10 games, although apart from that it's the manner in which we get there... The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 7

8:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

1234566789 says...

endean2 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team.

I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines.

Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors.

Thanks
totally agree with you there.
I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager.
Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the
translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months
certainly do not inspire me.
In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved
goodbye to him last April.

cue thumbs down AGGGGH.
I gave you a thumbs down for talking about the language problems of an Italian when you yourself can't tell the difference between "weather" and "whether".

Not normally one to pick out grammatical / spelling errors but when your point is about the inadequacies of another's grasp of the English language, you look like a tit!
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team. I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines. Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors. Thanks[/p][/quote]totally agree with you there. I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager. Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months certainly do not inspire me. In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved goodbye to him last April. cue thumbs down AGGGGH.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs down for talking about the language problems of an Italian when you yourself can't tell the difference between "weather" and "whether". Not normally one to pick out grammatical / spelling errors but when your point is about the inadequacies of another's grasp of the English language, you look like a tit! 1234566789
  • Score: 24

8:59am Thu 31 Jul 14

Harry's Bar says...

Has it occurred to you Beppe that the formation may also have something to do with it. If you push Deeney or Vydra onto the wing in a league game and we don't win you will be crucified.
Has it occurred to you Beppe that the formation may also have something to do with it. If you push Deeney or Vydra onto the wing in a league game and we don't win you will be crucified. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 19

9:20am Thu 31 Jul 14

bristol hornet says...

lutondown wrote:
endean2 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team.

I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines.

Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors.

Thanks
totally agree with you there.
I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager.
Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the
translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months
certainly do not inspire me.
In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved
goodbye to him last April.

cue thumbs down AGGGGH.
Agreed
I think he's better suited to pushing hospital trolleys
So are you baldy!

You and Buckler would soon clear the hospital beds once the sickies have looked at your two ugly faces!!!

Have you taken the "I LOVE BAS" banner down at the Salon yet, or are you still worshipping the Red Helmet???????
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Ok, will say this only once and then back to supporting the team. I think Sannino has more excuses than my 7 year old, and that is a lot. I am giving him 10 games before I get on his back if he cannot mould this amazingly talented squad that he has been given into a promotion chasing team. I don't want to hear that the players are tired, that they had a heavy lunch or a dicky belly, I want them to be ready for every game, have clear direction and a game plan, then if it is not working I want a coach that is capable of clearly communicating change from the sidelines. Just wanted to get that off my chest early doors. Thanks[/p][/quote]totally agree with you there. I have stated on many occasions that I think we have the wrong manager. Weather its the language difference or something is being lost in the translation I don't know but his comments over the last 6 months certainly do not inspire me. In a nutshell, he does not have a clue and we should have waved goodbye to him last April. cue thumbs down AGGGGH.[/p][/quote]Agreed I think he's better suited to pushing hospital trolleys[/p][/quote]So are you baldy! You and Buckler would soon clear the hospital beds once the sickies have looked at your two ugly faces!!! Have you taken the "I LOVE BAS" banner down at the Salon yet, or are you still worshipping the Red Helmet??????? bristol hornet
  • Score: -3

9:20am Thu 31 Jul 14

Golferever says...

My hope is that by insisting on 4-3-3, Beppe will confuse everyone else by changing the system around depending on what the opponents are doing.

Flexibility on the day is necessary, and you have to be able to keep opponents guessing, and 'Be Prepared'. We have the squad to be able to play different systems! We just have to practise ALL of them.
My hope is that by insisting on 4-3-3, Beppe will confuse everyone else by changing the system around depending on what the opponents are doing. Flexibility on the day is necessary, and you have to be able to keep opponents guessing, and 'Be Prepared'. We have the squad to be able to play different systems! We just have to practise ALL of them. Golferever
  • Score: 5

9:22am Thu 31 Jul 14

ruralyellow says...

Beppe, tactically inept, gone at the end of September. Should not have been retained after last season. Simple as that!
Beppe, tactically inept, gone at the end of September. Should not have been retained after last season. Simple as that! ruralyellow
  • Score: 0

9:22am Thu 31 Jul 14

neilhorn says...

Saying Beppe 'hasn't got a clue' and 'should be pushing hospital trolleys' is unfair and unhelpful. He broke our record for consecutive home wins last season, not bad considering he inherited a team that had just set a record for consecutive home defeats.
We were heading towards the relegation zone when he took over and with 4 games to go he still had a chance of making the play-offs, went for the win at QPR and just failed, then the wheels came off when it didn't matter any more.

In my opinion he did enough to earn a proper run at it, with a full pre-season and a strengthened squad. If by December we are 15th then ok, probably need to have another look at it, but to say he 'hasn't got a clue' before a ball is kicked in his first full season doesn't help anyone
Saying Beppe 'hasn't got a clue' and 'should be pushing hospital trolleys' is unfair and unhelpful. He broke our record for consecutive home wins last season, not bad considering he inherited a team that had just set a record for consecutive home defeats. We were heading towards the relegation zone when he took over and with 4 games to go he still had a chance of making the play-offs, went for the win at QPR and just failed, then the wheels came off when it didn't matter any more. In my opinion he did enough to earn a proper run at it, with a full pre-season and a strengthened squad. If by December we are 15th then ok, probably need to have another look at it, but to say he 'hasn't got a clue' before a ball is kicked in his first full season doesn't help anyone neilhorn
  • Score: 27

9:24am Thu 31 Jul 14

crtredwell says...

I am afraid the attitude is the problem eg last 4 games of last season
and going out there as a friendly with the wrong attitude as they should
go out there with the WIN ALL like most of the teams who we play against
I went to Shrewsbury and the front Players were not to be seen all game
I am not too optimistic for Saturdays Game
Chris Birmingham
I am afraid the attitude is the problem eg last 4 games of last season and going out there as a friendly with the wrong attitude as they should go out there with the WIN ALL like most of the teams who we play against I went to Shrewsbury and the front Players were not to be seen all game I am not too optimistic for Saturdays Game Chris Birmingham crtredwell
  • Score: -4

9:36am Thu 31 Jul 14

Hornankey says...

Let's face it, the expectation is massive this season. We are excited by Vydra's return, Tozser's signing, Abdi's fitness, Gomes, Paredes, Dyer, Ighalo etc. It is a very, very good squad. The manager will come under even greater scrutiny on how he uses these rich resources.: team selection, tactics, substitutions and above all motivation - a vital quality where Beppe seems to struggle. Looking forward to it but as I say, there is massive expectation!
Let's face it, the expectation is massive this season. We are excited by Vydra's return, Tozser's signing, Abdi's fitness, Gomes, Paredes, Dyer, Ighalo etc. It is a very, very good squad. The manager will come under even greater scrutiny on how he uses these rich resources.: team selection, tactics, substitutions and above all motivation - a vital quality where Beppe seems to struggle. Looking forward to it but as I say, there is massive expectation! Hornankey
  • Score: 7

9:44am Thu 31 Jul 14

AngelHornet says...

We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion. AngelHornet
  • Score: 6

9:48am Thu 31 Jul 14

D.unstable says...

Just stating that IMO he has the best squad at his disposal in the Championship. Personally I was hoping for change as he has not inspired me with his motivational ability (last 4 games) or his style of football, however for whatever reason he remains, so will get behind him come 9th August.

It is his responsibility to ensure the training the day before any match is just right, so once these friendly games turn to league games I don't want to hear the excuses.

That being said I don't care who's name I am chanting come May if we get promoted playing expansive attacking football, so hope that he gets it right.

Ultimately I trust the Pozzo's to get it right and do not think we could have ever dreamt of such owners back in the red helmet era.
Just stating that IMO he has the best squad at his disposal in the Championship. Personally I was hoping for change as he has not inspired me with his motivational ability (last 4 games) or his style of football, however for whatever reason he remains, so will get behind him come 9th August. It is his responsibility to ensure the training the day before any match is just right, so once these friendly games turn to league games I don't want to hear the excuses. That being said I don't care who's name I am chanting come May if we get promoted playing expansive attacking football, so hope that he gets it right. Ultimately I trust the Pozzo's to get it right and do not think we could have ever dreamt of such owners back in the red helmet era. D.unstable
  • Score: 14

9:58am Thu 31 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

The biggest issue is not the result its the 4-3-3 as others have said. Logically it makes no sense and we can all see that. I was surprised we didn't change manager in the summer but will obviously give him a chance. But if you are going to change from 3-5-2 at least use your brain and give 4-4-2 a go. It has to be TD & MV upfront as a 2, and when TD moves on, as he probably will, it has to be MR & MV or Ighalo and MV. It's fine to experiment in friendlies but playing MV or TD in a wide role is just stupid, will never work, we can all see that, so why can't BS ?
The biggest issue is not the result its the 4-3-3 as others have said. Logically it makes no sense and we can all see that. I was surprised we didn't change manager in the summer but will obviously give him a chance. But if you are going to change from 3-5-2 at least use your brain and give 4-4-2 a go. It has to be TD & MV upfront as a 2, and when TD moves on, as he probably will, it has to be MR & MV or Ighalo and MV. It's fine to experiment in friendlies but playing MV or TD in a wide role is just stupid, will never work, we can all see that, so why can't BS ? Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 10

10:00am Thu 31 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
[quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 8

10:09am Thu 31 Jul 14

Man from Pinner says...

Not sure how a head coach can say we worked to much; is this another way of saying the training was not appropriate? It is after all the head coaches responsibility to organise the training sessions.
Hope Beppe is the man but at this stage not filling me with confidence.
Not sure how a head coach can say we worked to much; is this another way of saying the training was not appropriate? It is after all the head coaches responsibility to organise the training sessions. Hope Beppe is the man but at this stage not filling me with confidence. Man from Pinner
  • Score: 7

10:47am Thu 31 Jul 14

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

D.unstable wrote:
Just stating that IMO he has the best squad at his disposal in the Championship. Personally I was hoping for change as he has not inspired me with his motivational ability (last 4 games) or his style of football, however for whatever reason he remains, so will get behind him come 9th August.

It is his responsibility to ensure the training the day before any match is just right, so once these friendly games turn to league games I don't want to hear the excuses.

That being said I don't care who's name I am chanting come May if we get promoted playing expansive attacking football, so hope that he gets it right.

Ultimately I trust the Pozzo's to get it right and do not think we could have ever dreamt of such owners back in the red helmet era.
Agree with both of your comments. If we did get rid of Sannino after 10 games I haven't got a clue who we would be able to get in and at what cost and or whether he would come to Watford anyway. And then there's no guarantee that he will be successful and then his position becomes untenable and we will find ourselves in a situation that some Italian clubs get into every season with having three managers a season..............
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[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Just stating that IMO he has the best squad at his disposal in the Championship. Personally I was hoping for change as he has not inspired me with his motivational ability (last 4 games) or his style of football, however for whatever reason he remains, so will get behind him come 9th August. It is his responsibility to ensure the training the day before any match is just right, so once these friendly games turn to league games I don't want to hear the excuses. That being said I don't care who's name I am chanting come May if we get promoted playing expansive attacking football, so hope that he gets it right. Ultimately I trust the Pozzo's to get it right and do not think we could have ever dreamt of such owners back in the red helmet era.[/p][/quote]Agree with both of your comments. If we did get rid of Sannino after 10 games I haven't got a clue who we would be able to get in and at what cost and or whether he would come to Watford anyway. And then there's no guarantee that he will be successful and then his position becomes untenable and we will find ourselves in a situation that some Italian clubs get into every season with having three managers a season.............. .? YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!
  • Score: -1

10:47am Thu 31 Jul 14

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

D.unstable wrote:
Just stating that IMO he has the best squad at his disposal in the Championship. Personally I was hoping for change as he has not inspired me with his motivational ability (last 4 games) or his style of football, however for whatever reason he remains, so will get behind him come 9th August.

It is his responsibility to ensure the training the day before any match is just right, so once these friendly games turn to league games I don't want to hear the excuses.

That being said I don't care who's name I am chanting come May if we get promoted playing expansive attacking football, so hope that he gets it right.

Ultimately I trust the Pozzo's to get it right and do not think we could have ever dreamt of such owners back in the red helmet era.
Agree with both of your comments. If we did get rid of Sannino after 10 games I haven't got a clue who we would be able to get in and at what cost and or whether he would come to Watford anyway. And then there's no guarantee that he will be successful and then his position becomes untenable and we will find ourselves in a situation that some Italian clubs get into every season with having three managers a season..............
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[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Just stating that IMO he has the best squad at his disposal in the Championship. Personally I was hoping for change as he has not inspired me with his motivational ability (last 4 games) or his style of football, however for whatever reason he remains, so will get behind him come 9th August. It is his responsibility to ensure the training the day before any match is just right, so once these friendly games turn to league games I don't want to hear the excuses. That being said I don't care who's name I am chanting come May if we get promoted playing expansive attacking football, so hope that he gets it right. Ultimately I trust the Pozzo's to get it right and do not think we could have ever dreamt of such owners back in the red helmet era.[/p][/quote]Agree with both of your comments. If we did get rid of Sannino after 10 games I haven't got a clue who we would be able to get in and at what cost and or whether he would come to Watford anyway. And then there's no guarantee that he will be successful and then his position becomes untenable and we will find ourselves in a situation that some Italian clubs get into every season with having three managers a season.............. .? YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!
  • Score: -3

10:56am Thu 31 Jul 14

HornetJJ says...

We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word! HornetJJ
  • Score: 14

11:04am Thu 31 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

HornetJJ wrote:
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.
[quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word![/p][/quote]Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 2

11:19am Thu 31 Jul 14

jasonwatford says...

HornetJJ wrote:
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
I know it's unreal , Players never put themselves at full speed in games at borehamwood etc !! I remember a few seasons ago we played awful at St Albans and drew 1-1 and I never though we would score a goal all season , Then the following Friday night live on sky 1st game of the season we went and beat Norwich 3-2.........so friendlys always have meant nothing
[quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word![/p][/quote]I know it's unreal , Players never put themselves at full speed in games at borehamwood etc !! I remember a few seasons ago we played awful at St Albans and drew 1-1 and I never though we would score a goal all season , Then the following Friday night live on sky 1st game of the season we went and beat Norwich 3-2.........so friendlys always have meant nothing jasonwatford
  • Score: 11

11:24am Thu 31 Jul 14

HornetJJ says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
HornetJJ wrote:
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.
It is pre-season! The chance to experiment with formations and gain fitness. Every other team does this is in pre-season or would everyone prefer for the experimenting to start against Bolton??
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word![/p][/quote]Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.[/p][/quote]It is pre-season! The chance to experiment with formations and gain fitness. Every other team does this is in pre-season or would everyone prefer for the experimenting to start against Bolton?? HornetJJ
  • Score: 15

11:25am Thu 31 Jul 14

1234566789 says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya. 1234566789
  • Score: 16

11:41am Thu 31 Jul 14

Denzil D says...

Man from Pinner wrote:
Not sure how a head coach can say we worked to much; is this another way of saying the training was not appropriate? It is after all the head coaches responsibility to organise the training sessions.
Hope Beppe is the man but at this stage not filling me with confidence.
No. It means he recognises that we lacked core fitness/strength for 46 95+min games last season and is putting it right this pre-season.
The proof (or otherwise) of his training programme we will only know from next Saturday on, not in these friendlies.
[quote][p][bold]Man from Pinner[/bold] wrote: Not sure how a head coach can say we worked to much; is this another way of saying the training was not appropriate? It is after all the head coaches responsibility to organise the training sessions. Hope Beppe is the man but at this stage not filling me with confidence.[/p][/quote]No. It means he recognises that we lacked core fitness/strength for 46 95+min games last season and is putting it right this pre-season. The proof (or otherwise) of his training programme we will only know from next Saturday on, not in these friendlies. Denzil D
  • Score: 13

11:51am Thu 31 Jul 14

Harry's Bar says...

1234566789 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
People wanted 4-3-3 but not with one striker and two wingers, more a third striker playing behind the front two, the best position for Forestieri and Fabbrini...... in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.[/p][/quote]People wanted 4-3-3 but not with one striker and two wingers, more a third striker playing behind the front two, the best position for Forestieri and Fabbrini...... in my opinion. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 4

11:53am Thu 31 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

HornetJJ wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
HornetJJ wrote:
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.
It is pre-season! The chance to experiment with formations and gain fitness. Every other team does this is in pre-season or would everyone prefer for the experimenting to start against Bolton??
No, I think we'd prefer to experiment with a 4-4-2 where we aren't playing MV as a winger !
[quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word![/p][/quote]Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.[/p][/quote]It is pre-season! The chance to experiment with formations and gain fitness. Every other team does this is in pre-season or would everyone prefer for the experimenting to start against Bolton??[/p][/quote]No, I think we'd prefer to experiment with a 4-4-2 where we aren't playing MV as a winger ! Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: -3

11:56am Thu 31 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

1234566789 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
I think the "magical plan" has always been 4-4-2. Its the defensive weakness of 3-5-2 that many have had issues with.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.[/p][/quote]I think the "magical plan" has always been 4-4-2. Its the defensive weakness of 3-5-2 that many have had issues with. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: -1

12:06pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Paul Gadd says...

Play any formation...........
just give the ball to Super- Super Almen Abdi!!!!!

COYH!!
Play any formation........... just give the ball to Super- Super Almen Abdi!!!!! COYH!! Paul Gadd
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Thu 31 Jul 14

1234566789 says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
I think the "magical plan" has always been 4-4-2. Its the defensive weakness of 3-5-2 that many have had issues with.
4-4-2 is an outdated system. Why not just play the WM?

Personally I would like to see a 4-2-3-1 system (notice that all the best teams play this). We have the squad to do this - Vydra can play behind Deeney if he stays or as the number 9 if he goes. Dyer and Anya can play out wide. Abdi, Fessi or McGugan could play behind the number 9. Toszer, Andrews and Abdi could play in the 2 genuine midfield roles. Still get 4 at the back with decent cover.

The likes of Murray and Battocchio can easily slip in to a number of those positions. Would probably suit Fabbrini well. Ranegie would work well as the number 9 as would Ighalo from reports (as I must admit I have never seen him personally)
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.[/p][/quote]I think the "magical plan" has always been 4-4-2. Its the defensive weakness of 3-5-2 that many have had issues with.[/p][/quote]4-4-2 is an outdated system. Why not just play the WM? Personally I would like to see a 4-2-3-1 system (notice that all the best teams play this). We have the squad to do this - Vydra can play behind Deeney if he stays or as the number 9 if he goes. Dyer and Anya can play out wide. Abdi, Fessi or McGugan could play behind the number 9. Toszer, Andrews and Abdi could play in the 2 genuine midfield roles. Still get 4 at the back with decent cover. The likes of Murray and Battocchio can easily slip in to a number of those positions. Would probably suit Fabbrini well. Ranegie would work well as the number 9 as would Ighalo from reports (as I must admit I have never seen him personally) 1234566789
  • Score: 5

12:45pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Traceyhornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
The biggest issue is not the result its the 4-3-3 as others have said. Logically it makes no sense and we can all see that. I was surprised we didn't change manager in the summer but will obviously give him a chance. But if you are going to change from 3-5-2 at least use your brain and give 4-4-2 a go. It has to be TD & MV upfront as a 2, and when TD moves on, as he probably will, it has to be MR & MV or Ighalo and MV. It's fine to experiment in friendlies but playing MV or TD in a wide role is just stupid, will never work, we can all see that, so why can't BS ?
Totally agree. Watching Deeney playing out on the right yesterday was painful!
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: The biggest issue is not the result its the 4-3-3 as others have said. Logically it makes no sense and we can all see that. I was surprised we didn't change manager in the summer but will obviously give him a chance. But if you are going to change from 3-5-2 at least use your brain and give 4-4-2 a go. It has to be TD & MV upfront as a 2, and when TD moves on, as he probably will, it has to be MR & MV or Ighalo and MV. It's fine to experiment in friendlies but playing MV or TD in a wide role is just stupid, will never work, we can all see that, so why can't BS ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Watching Deeney playing out on the right yesterday was painful! Traceyhornet
  • Score: 3

1:09pm Thu 31 Jul 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

1234566789 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least)
but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for

I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him

... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense.

re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.[/p][/quote]Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least) but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him ... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense. re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it. JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 4

1:12pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Golferever says...

Traceyhornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
The biggest issue is not the result its the 4-3-3 as others have said. Logically it makes no sense and we can all see that. I was surprised we didn't change manager in the summer but will obviously give him a chance. But if you are going to change from 3-5-2 at least use your brain and give 4-4-2 a go. It has to be TD & MV upfront as a 2, and when TD moves on, as he probably will, it has to be MR & MV or Ighalo and MV. It's fine to experiment in friendlies but playing MV or TD in a wide role is just stupid, will never work, we can all see that, so why can't BS ?
Totally agree. Watching Deeney playing out on the right yesterday was painful!
Playing Deeney on the wing gave him a run-out, kept him out of trouble, and didn't give any interested parties any clue as to how good he can be!!!

Sounds good to me!!
[quote][p][bold]Traceyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: The biggest issue is not the result its the 4-3-3 as others have said. Logically it makes no sense and we can all see that. I was surprised we didn't change manager in the summer but will obviously give him a chance. But if you are going to change from 3-5-2 at least use your brain and give 4-4-2 a go. It has to be TD & MV upfront as a 2, and when TD moves on, as he probably will, it has to be MR & MV or Ighalo and MV. It's fine to experiment in friendlies but playing MV or TD in a wide role is just stupid, will never work, we can all see that, so why can't BS ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Watching Deeney playing out on the right yesterday was painful![/p][/quote]Playing Deeney on the wing gave him a run-out, kept him out of trouble, and didn't give any interested parties any clue as to how good he can be!!! Sounds good to me!! Golferever
  • Score: 3

1:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

1234566789 says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least)
but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for

I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him

... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense.

re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it.
People were also talking about 4-3-3 2 seasons ago, to have Deeney, Vydra and Fessi in the same team.

You're right, if Deeney stays then Vydra and Deeney need to be played together. But I think there is a massive case of Sannino expecting Deeney to leave so playing a system that doesn't rely on him.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.[/p][/quote]Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least) but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him ... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense. re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it.[/p][/quote]People were also talking about 4-3-3 2 seasons ago, to have Deeney, Vydra and Fessi in the same team. You're right, if Deeney stays then Vydra and Deeney need to be played together. But I think there is a massive case of Sannino expecting Deeney to leave so playing a system that doesn't rely on him. 1234566789
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

1234566789 wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least)
but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for

I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him

... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense.

re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it.
People were also talking about 4-3-3 2 seasons ago, to have Deeney, Vydra and Fessi in the same team.

You're right, if Deeney stays then Vydra and Deeney need to be played together. But I think there is a massive case of Sannino expecting Deeney to leave so playing a system that doesn't rely on him.
...though if a two worked so well with MV & TD, why not just replace TD with MR in the two, and keep the same shape that worked so well for MV before ?

For a moment I was wondering about your proposed 4-3-3-2 shape until I re-read your post !
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.[/p][/quote]Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least) but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him ... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense. re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it.[/p][/quote]People were also talking about 4-3-3 2 seasons ago, to have Deeney, Vydra and Fessi in the same team. You're right, if Deeney stays then Vydra and Deeney need to be played together. But I think there is a massive case of Sannino expecting Deeney to leave so playing a system that doesn't rely on him.[/p][/quote]...though if a two worked so well with MV & TD, why not just replace TD with MR in the two, and keep the same shape that worked so well for MV before ? For a moment I was wondering about your proposed 4-3-3-2 shape until I re-read your post ! Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 2

3:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

lutondown says...

neilhorn wrote:
Saying Beppe 'hasn't got a clue' and 'should be pushing hospital trolleys' is unfair and unhelpful. He broke our record for consecutive home wins last season, not bad considering he inherited a team that had just set a record for consecutive home defeats.
We were heading towards the relegation zone when he took over and with 4 games to go he still had a chance of making the play-offs, went for the win at QPR and just failed, then the wheels came off when it didn't matter any more.

In my opinion he did enough to earn a proper run at it, with a full pre-season and a strengthened squad. If by December we are 15th then ok, probably need to have another look at it, but to say he 'hasn't got a clue' before a ball is kicked in his first full season doesn't help anyone
Life isn't fair. And I reckon he'd look good in a remake of one flew over the cuckoos nest replendant with a big red shiny nose.
My opinion, so it must be right.
[quote][p][bold]neilhorn[/bold] wrote: Saying Beppe 'hasn't got a clue' and 'should be pushing hospital trolleys' is unfair and unhelpful. He broke our record for consecutive home wins last season, not bad considering he inherited a team that had just set a record for consecutive home defeats. We were heading towards the relegation zone when he took over and with 4 games to go he still had a chance of making the play-offs, went for the win at QPR and just failed, then the wheels came off when it didn't matter any more. In my opinion he did enough to earn a proper run at it, with a full pre-season and a strengthened squad. If by December we are 15th then ok, probably need to have another look at it, but to say he 'hasn't got a clue' before a ball is kicked in his first full season doesn't help anyone[/p][/quote]Life isn't fair. And I reckon he'd look good in a remake of one flew over the cuckoos nest replendant with a big red shiny nose. My opinion, so it must be right. lutondown
  • Score: -2

4:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

1234566789 wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
AngelHornet wrote:
We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion.
However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths.

For me 4-3-3 isn't that.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.
Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.
Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure.

Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about.

It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.
Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least)
but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for

I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him

... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense.

re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it.
People were also talking about 4-3-3 2 seasons ago, to have Deeney, Vydra and Fessi in the same team.

You're right, if Deeney stays then Vydra and Deeney need to be played together. But I think there is a massive case of Sannino expecting Deeney to leave so playing a system that doesn't rely on him.
You make some good points but if Deeney does leave, Vydra should not be the target man. He is not a back to goal player. He is one that feeds of his partner and runs at goal with pace, playing on the defenders shoulder to get in behind. If he is not a no. 9 in a 4 3 3 then he plays out wide. What a waste that would be too. Ighalo looks a no 9 so again Vydra would be out wide if Deeney left.

Last season at WBA Vydra played as the target man in a 4 3 3 once Anelka left and was totally lost. You could see the confidence drain away from him.

But the main point is whilst they are professional and will do as they are told, they will soon get down, lose their confidence and it just goes down hill.

Which leads me on to the next point. We now have a huge squad of 32 players. Excluding Reece Brown who hasn't been given a number. If we are in the Premier League we can only name 25. so that's seven who wouldn't get a game. I know we are not there yet!! But in that scenario naturally you would discount the younger ones at this point (but we shouldn't in my opinion). So take out Doherty, Johnson, Byers, O'Nien, Smith, Ikpeazu, Jakubiac and Mensah, we are down to 24. Yes more manageable I guess. But those may be needed to fulfil the 'Homegrown' rule in a match day squad of 18 in the FL. Not sure if it is still 6 or the 9 that was proposed at the Football league AGM?

Out of the 32, we have 17 'Homegrown' players. Bond, Cathcart, Doherty, Doyley, Hoban, Johnson, Andrews, Anya, Byers, Dyer, McGugan, Murray, O'Nien, Smith, Ikpeazu, Jakubiac and Mensah.

Over 50%, which is more than most Premier teams and a lot of Championship sides now. So all the moaning about Udinese etc should stop.

But here is the point, Pro footballers in the main have huge ego's. They will all want to play and Bepe's skills will have to be at their best to manage that number of players. Coaching the team is easy, telling someone they are not in the squad and not playing is a different matter. It's easy to leave out the younger ones of course!! No explanation needed, but has he got the b******s to tell the players that. And are the ones not playing going to get disgruntled. Ranegie's alleged quote "I'm not staying if Deeney does not go" That's the start of a troubled dressing room. They will this season all need to be together, and I wonder if Mr Nani has just recklessly gone to sign all of these players without thinking about the possible impact. Let's face it he got West Ham wrong.

I hope I am wrong, but it is a concern....
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: We have a great squad of players, who I believe are capable of getting us promotion. However, only if they are played in a formation that plays to their strengths. For me 4-3-3 isn't that. 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 - that's just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Its not just your opinion, it's everyone's opinion.....except BS it seems.[/p][/quote]Half the people on this site have spent the last 2 years begging Zola / Sannino to play 4-3-3. Now it is happening everyone is complaining. Go figure. Also, I think that he knows the team can play 3-5-2 and he is trying the 4-3-3 as an alternate formation - the magical 'plan b' that everyone also seems to go on about. It may also be that he is expecting to lose Deeney and thinks that the best we have will be Dyer, Vydra and Anya.[/p][/quote]Agree with the second comment (well, I hope you're right at least) but disagree with the first that we're complaining about something we asked for I think that people were campaigning for a 4-3-3 primarily because Vydra had gone. Deeney was the obvious focal point then with, for example, Fessi and Fabbrini able to play either side of him ... but now that Vydra's back, my opinion has changed to match the new personally. He and Deeney playing centrally is common sense. re the 4-3-3 as a plan B though, I don't have a problem with that; I hope that's the case. 3-5-2 should be a very definite plan A though - and Hull showed the year they went up that playing it week in week out doesn't necessarily make you predictable. It can also lead to you playing it incredibly effectively as the players get comfortable with it.[/p][/quote]People were also talking about 4-3-3 2 seasons ago, to have Deeney, Vydra and Fessi in the same team. You're right, if Deeney stays then Vydra and Deeney need to be played together. But I think there is a massive case of Sannino expecting Deeney to leave so playing a system that doesn't rely on him.[/p][/quote]You make some good points but if Deeney does leave, Vydra should not be the target man. He is not a back to goal player. He is one that feeds of his partner and runs at goal with pace, playing on the defenders shoulder to get in behind. If he is not a no. 9 in a 4 3 3 then he plays out wide. What a waste that would be too. Ighalo looks a no 9 so again Vydra would be out wide if Deeney left. Last season at WBA Vydra played as the target man in a 4 3 3 once Anelka left and was totally lost. You could see the confidence drain away from him. But the main point is whilst they are professional and will do as they are told, they will soon get down, lose their confidence and it just goes down hill. Which leads me on to the next point. We now have a huge squad of 32 players. Excluding Reece Brown who hasn't been given a number. If we are in the Premier League we can only name 25. so that's seven who wouldn't get a game. I know we are not there yet!! But in that scenario naturally you would discount the younger ones at this point (but we shouldn't in my opinion). So take out Doherty, Johnson, Byers, O'Nien, Smith, Ikpeazu, Jakubiac and Mensah, we are down to 24. Yes more manageable I guess. But those may be needed to fulfil the 'Homegrown' rule in a match day squad of 18 in the FL. Not sure if it is still 6 or the 9 that was proposed at the Football league AGM? Out of the 32, we have 17 'Homegrown' players. Bond, Cathcart, Doherty, Doyley, Hoban, Johnson, Andrews, Anya, Byers, Dyer, McGugan, Murray, O'Nien, Smith, Ikpeazu, Jakubiac and Mensah. Over 50%, which is more than most Premier teams and a lot of Championship sides now. So all the moaning about Udinese etc should stop. But here is the point, Pro footballers in the main have huge ego's. They will all want to play and Bepe's skills will have to be at their best to manage that number of players. Coaching the team is easy, telling someone they are not in the squad and not playing is a different matter. It's easy to leave out the younger ones of course!! No explanation needed, but has he got the b******s to tell the players that. And are the ones not playing going to get disgruntled. Ranegie's alleged quote "I'm not staying if Deeney does not go" That's the start of a troubled dressing room. They will this season all need to be together, and I wonder if Mr Nani has just recklessly gone to sign all of these players without thinking about the possible impact. Let's face it he got West Ham wrong. I hope I am wrong, but it is a concern.... Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 0

9:22pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Monstermunch17 says...

If it does transpire that the saintly Pozzos have got it wrong yet again by appointing one of their favourites from Italy rather than someone who may know what he is doing in the championship, will they still be immune from criticism from the sheep on these comment pages?
If it does transpire that the saintly Pozzos have got it wrong yet again by appointing one of their favourites from Italy rather than someone who may know what he is doing in the championship, will they still be immune from criticism from the sheep on these comment pages? Monstermunch17
  • Score: -3

11:54pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Goldentrue1 says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
HornetJJ wrote:
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.
yes, and the vast majority of the posters that question the formation haven't been at any of the training sessions or any of the friendlies yet know so much. We need adaptability and we have worked at it in friendlies where results mean nothing, yet so mean people question it!
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word![/p][/quote]Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.[/p][/quote]yes, and the vast majority of the posters that question the formation haven't been at any of the training sessions or any of the friendlies yet know so much. We need adaptability and we have worked at it in friendlies where results mean nothing, yet so mean people question it! Goldentrue1
  • Score: 2

12:00am Fri 1 Aug 14

Goldentrue1 says...

Goldentrue1 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
HornetJJ wrote:
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.
yes, and the vast majority of the posters that question the formation haven't been at any of the training sessions or any of the friendlies yet know so much. We need adaptability and we have worked at it in friendlies where results mean nothing, yet so mean people question it!
'so many' not 'so mean'....
[quote][p][bold]Goldentrue1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word![/p][/quote]Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.[/p][/quote]yes, and the vast majority of the posters that question the formation haven't been at any of the training sessions or any of the friendlies yet know so much. We need adaptability and we have worked at it in friendlies where results mean nothing, yet so mean people question it![/p][/quote]'so many' not 'so mean'.... Goldentrue1
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Fri 1 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Goldentrue1 wrote:
Goldentrue1 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
HornetJJ wrote:
We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word!
Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.
yes, and the vast majority of the posters that question the formation haven't been at any of the training sessions or any of the friendlies yet know so much. We need adaptability and we have worked at it in friendlies where results mean nothing, yet so mean people question it!
'so many' not 'so mean'....
The training sessions? Wtf.... It must be all those tanned legs on display
[quote][p][bold]Goldentrue1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldentrue1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: We have lost 1 pre-season friendly and everyone is losing the plot! Have a word![/p][/quote]Read what's been written. Its not the result its the formation that posters are unhappy with.[/p][/quote]yes, and the vast majority of the posters that question the formation haven't been at any of the training sessions or any of the friendlies yet know so much. We need adaptability and we have worked at it in friendlies where results mean nothing, yet so mean people question it![/p][/quote]'so many' not 'so mean'....[/p][/quote]The training sessions? Wtf.... It must be all those tanned legs on display lutondown
  • Score: -1

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