Beppe Sannino's reign as Watford's head coach in serious doubt

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Beppe Sannino’s reign as Watford’s head coach is in serious doubt; with the Italian today refusing to state whether he believes he has lost the support of the dressing room.

The Watford Observer reported last night that several first team players are unhappy with the Italian and that it was not only due to a lack of game time.

We understand Sannino’s aggressive manner around the training ground has upset a number of the senior players and they are unhappy with the way he communicates with the squad.

Sannino fielded several difficult questions from the Watford Observer this afternoon and whilst he addressed some issues head on, he twice refused to state whether he believed he still had the players’ backing.

“How many matches have we played?” Sannino initially responded. “We have only played three league matches and think about the situation after three games. I think the players are intelligent and I know that the players know which way we must go."

When Sannino was again asked if he had the support of the players, he replied: "I think we have a team which must reach one target as a club and they are working towards this."

The point that some of the Watford players were unhappy with his style of management was made to Sannino this afternoon.

But was it something he was aware of?

"I think that a coach should not be the gaffer for six or seven players. He has to be the gaffer for all and the players have to be players,” Sannino replied.

"I don't want to be a gaffer that is good for five or six players and not good for the rest of the players. I am Beppe Sannino and I am this coach and I want to always be like that.

"These players [who are unhappy] are not good for my style of management. Tell them and the fans that my office is there and if they are not happy with the situation then they should come to talk to me."

Asked if any of the players had voiced their concerns to him, Sannino added: "I think that my style and my way is to be passionate and maybe when I speak with my team I can shout and my voice is loud.

“I know that some players are surprised by this but this is my style and I have always been like that and I believe I have made two or three steps towards the players.

“But if there are players who think differently then they can speak to me and I will try to find a better solution to help."

A number of the squad who would consider themselves to be first team players have found game time hard to come by this season and Sannino recognised that has been difficult.

One of the most interesting responses from Sannino came when he was asked if he knew his best XI.

He said: “In my head I have the players who are more functional for my football but I am one man, I am one papi, I am one brother and I am one d**khead.

“I help all. I help everybody with my character. I am always ready for all my players and my club. I am Beppe Sannino. I am this character.

"I am like that and me being like that means there is a guarantee to everybody that my decisions will be the best picks for everybody and made with fairness. I will always look at the other players around the club."

Watford’s owners, the Pozzo family, expect the club to challenge for automatic promotion this season after a disappointing campaign last time out, when the Golden Boys capitulated in the final three games to finish in 13th place.

The Pozzos have strengthened the Hornets squad considerably but the downside to that has been that several ‘first team’ players have been left out of the squad on each match-day.

Two of the players who have yet to figure in the Championship this season have been fans’ favourites Cristian Battocchio and Sean Murray, who made 41 and 39 appearances respectively for the club last season.

Asked about the pair, Sannino explained: "You know I have 24 players in my squad and I can only pick 18 [in a squad]. Every match in the stands there are six or seven players and I do not want to repeat the situation; I can only pick 18 players and I apologise to the other players."

On Battocchio he continued: "I have to apologise to Battocchio because he is a little, big man and I would like you to make sure this goes in the newspaper because Battocchio is a very good player but in this situation I must pick [other players] and I am sorry for him and the other players. They all deserve to play in the match but I can only pick 18 players."

Sannino refused to answer directly whether he thought the squad was too big, simply stating: "This squad is big and I work with this squad now and in the future."

The odds on Sannino being the next Championship manager to leave their club was slashed from 40/1 to 3/1 during the course of tonight according to Oddschanger.

Sannino ended his interview with the Watford Observer this afternoon but saying: "Do you want a gaffer that stays sitting down on the bench or do you want a gaffer who has heart, big balls and is shouting? The future will tell."

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12:06am Thu 21 Aug 14

D.unstable says...

Interesting, looks as though the writing is on the wall Beppe, enter RDM to get the best out of the most talented squad in the Championship.
Interesting, looks as though the writing is on the wall Beppe, enter RDM to get the best out of the most talented squad in the Championship. D.unstable
  • Score: -13

12:07am Thu 21 Aug 14

JHEAFFEY1 says...

Not a report I am glad to hear at all.

Something I hope is resolved as quickly as possible one way or another.
Not a report I am glad to hear at all. Something I hope is resolved as quickly as possible one way or another. JHEAFFEY1
  • Score: 85

12:11am Thu 21 Aug 14

MAshby1001 says...

A dangerously insane individual
A dangerously insane individual MAshby1001
  • Score: -62

12:12am Thu 21 Aug 14

Guy Bov says...

Ah bless, poor players who are upset because not guaranteed a place in the team

Three wins out of four should be Beppe's answer
Ah bless, poor players who are upset because not guaranteed a place in the team Three wins out of four should be Beppe's answer Guy Bov
  • Score: 109

12:16am Thu 21 Aug 14

David:-) says...

He was brought in to do a job - he should be left alone to do it. The WO are **** stirring and should be behind the club, not trying to undermine it.
He was brought in to do a job - he should be left alone to do it. The WO are **** stirring and should be behind the club, not trying to undermine it. David:-)
  • Score: 103

12:20am Thu 21 Aug 14

ralear49 says...

can't speak English, but he knows d**head? Or was it translated from the Italian of testa del rubinetto.
was this a slow news day or is there more to it?
can't speak English, but he knows d**head? Or was it translated from the Italian of testa del rubinetto. was this a slow news day or is there more to it? ralear49
  • Score: -27

12:32am Thu 21 Aug 14

rayman01 says...

Sounds like the Wobby is stirring the pot! No wonder the odds have been slashed. I think I luv Beppe more every time he responds with his broken English...big balls had me in stitches. You don't have to be a maths professor to realise that there are only 11 - 14 happy players per match. We have a squad of 32 or 33 professionals. Now multipy all the league players from 92 clubs that don't play on a Saturday and that is a big problem. On that score Beppe is right, but not just a WFC problem. That is not to say his job is not on the line but the Wobby has added 2 plus 2 to make 5. Luv the Horns!
Sounds like the Wobby is stirring the pot! No wonder the odds have been slashed. I think I luv Beppe more every time he responds with his broken English...big balls had me in stitches. You don't have to be a maths professor to realise that there are only 11 - 14 happy players per match. We have a squad of 32 or 33 professionals. Now multipy all the league players from 92 clubs that don't play on a Saturday and that is a big problem. On that score Beppe is right, but not just a WFC problem. That is not to say his job is not on the line but the Wobby has added 2 plus 2 to make 5. Luv the Horns! rayman01
  • Score: 80

12:35am Thu 21 Aug 14

lowerrous2 says...

I don't proclaim to know what goes on around the club off the field and in training.
The fact of the matter is that WFC have come on leaps and bounds in the three years since the takeover and our expectations have risen during this period. Although I was saddened to see GFZ go after such a fine season and witnessing the best football seen at the Vic for many a year, I could see the writing on the wall when our season started to plummet last year.
Beppe turned around our home performances but couldn't stop our away slide. I think he's definitely a man who wears his heart on his sleeve and only has the clubs future foremost in his mind.
I'm not convinced that it's enough though. Football being what it is nowadays is a multi-million pound business, the rewards to the Pozzo family to the Premier League are vast. I fear for Beppe, the knives are out on various forums and in the local media.
Who will come in? How will they manage a bloated squad and keep everybody happy?
I don't proclaim to know what goes on around the club off the field and in training. The fact of the matter is that WFC have come on leaps and bounds in the three years since the takeover and our expectations have risen during this period. Although I was saddened to see GFZ go after such a fine season and witnessing the best football seen at the Vic for many a year, I could see the writing on the wall when our season started to plummet last year. Beppe turned around our home performances but couldn't stop our away slide. I think he's definitely a man who wears his heart on his sleeve and only has the clubs future foremost in his mind. I'm not convinced that it's enough though. Football being what it is nowadays is a multi-million pound business, the rewards to the Pozzo family to the Premier League are vast. I fear for Beppe, the knives are out on various forums and in the local media. Who will come in? How will they manage a bloated squad and keep everybody happy? lowerrous2
  • Score: 52

12:44am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

Really hope this is an exaggerated report... He as a manager has showed he can get results. He stopped our freefall last year and with 4 games still to go we still looked outsiders for a play-off place.

This season we've won 3 without conceding and lost the other one only because we had a sending off in the 3rd minute.

In terms of team selection, given the vast amount of quality in the squad, I think only Dyer really has a right to be annoyed. It's fair enough that he doesn't start in the 3-5-2 formation - but when we play 4-4-2 he really should be starting every time. Other than that, is there really any player who has been consistently left out who could do a better job than those on the pitch? I think not.

It's a shame a lot of the players aren't getting much game-time - but that's what happens in a high quality, deep squad. Tough.

As for his conduct on the training ground, obviously none of us can know what the situation is there. However, one could look at it and say that there are just different kinds of manager.

If one wishes to do a professional job, then you don't necessarily need to be popular. The Roman Emperor Caligula said 'Let them hate me as long as they fear me', and while I'm well aware he got assassinated after only a four year reign, the principle works.

I thought too many times during Zola's reign that he's just too nice to make the players work for the difficult games, and we suffered for it. It doesn't matter if Sannino's unpopular, as long as he succeeds in channeling the players' energy into a deep-seated desire to prove him wrong, rather than a despairing apathy in which they lose faith in themselves.
Really hope this is an exaggerated report... He as a manager has showed he can get results. He stopped our freefall last year and with 4 games still to go we still looked outsiders for a play-off place. This season we've won 3 without conceding and lost the other one only because we had a sending off in the 3rd minute. In terms of team selection, given the vast amount of quality in the squad, I think only Dyer really has a right to be annoyed. It's fair enough that he doesn't start in the 3-5-2 formation - but when we play 4-4-2 he really should be starting every time. Other than that, is there really any player who has been consistently left out who could do a better job than those on the pitch? I think not. It's a shame a lot of the players aren't getting much game-time - but that's what happens in a high quality, deep squad. Tough. As for his conduct on the training ground, obviously none of us can know what the situation is there. However, one could look at it and say that there are just different kinds of manager. If one wishes to do a professional job, then you don't necessarily need to be popular. The Roman Emperor Caligula said 'Let them hate me as long as they fear me', and while I'm well aware he got assassinated after only a four year reign, the principle works. I thought too many times during Zola's reign that he's just too nice to make the players work for the difficult games, and we suffered for it. It doesn't matter if Sannino's unpopular, as long as he succeeds in channeling the players' energy into a deep-seated desire to prove him wrong, rather than a despairing apathy in which they lose faith in themselves. The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 101

1:00am Thu 21 Aug 14

Bush Hornet says...

This is the problem when you have a lot of players with big talent you have a lot of players with big egos. Someone like GFZ could naturally command respect just by being the talent and legend that he was. I guess the chemistry ain't quite right at the moment with Beppe at the helm. He's used to working with journeymen and grafters. I've not enjoyed the football as much under him, although there's been good moments, and so I have remained unconvinced. But he's a strong and determined character for sure. Is he a leader that enough of the squad will follow? Not sure that anyone knows yet, but IF he can survive this week, with a convincing win on Sat, then it'd be flipping harsh to lose him any time soon.
This is the problem when you have a lot of players with big talent you have a lot of players with big egos. Someone like GFZ could naturally command respect just by being the talent and legend that he was. I guess the chemistry ain't quite right at the moment with Beppe at the helm. He's used to working with journeymen and grafters. I've not enjoyed the football as much under him, although there's been good moments, and so I have remained unconvinced. But he's a strong and determined character for sure. Is he a leader that enough of the squad will follow? Not sure that anyone knows yet, but IF he can survive this week, with a convincing win on Sat, then it'd be flipping harsh to lose him any time soon. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 43

1:12am Thu 21 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Get Zola back at Watford,he had been away for a year nearly and will now know what is needed to win this league...
Get Zola back at Watford,he had been away for a year nearly and will now know what is needed to win this league... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -66

1:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

the jesterwestport says...

hard to know really,following twitter last nite id enough of sanninio why? because i was like all the other sheep... were playin crap against a newly promoted side, weve left abdi and tozer on the bench and dropped lewis and pudil , were crap, commentator on sky says watford havent got outta the blocks and its all rotherham, and then we score with our new super sub and then we score again game over!! now according to twitter on sat urday tozer was rubbish , i didnt like it andrews and munari starting but hey 3 tough away tuesday nite points. were heading into saturday with a near total rested midfield 6 points outa 9 and even with a doubt over vydra for sat theres so much depth in our squad leeds are gonna have poolies in their pants. but we dont like sanninio why probably because we were spoiled with zolas style of football!!!!!! i liked zola met him at the cork match pre season , a real gent and i wanted him to do well but where did it get us??? the infamous bristol result and maybe zola had his erkstrand/norwich moment at the end of the season against leeds , hollowhead had his homwework done against us in the final,, for me gonna take the win ugly approach ,any which way but loose!!!!!
hard to know really,following twitter last nite id enough of sanninio why? because i was like all the other sheep... were playin crap against a newly promoted side, weve left abdi and tozer on the bench and dropped lewis and pudil , were crap, commentator on sky says watford havent got outta the blocks and its all rotherham, and then we score with our new super sub and then we score again game over!! now according to twitter on sat urday tozer was rubbish , i didnt like it andrews and munari starting but hey 3 tough away tuesday nite points. were heading into saturday with a near total rested midfield 6 points outa 9 and even with a doubt over vydra for sat theres so much depth in our squad leeds are gonna have poolies in their pants. but we dont like sanninio why probably because we were spoiled with zolas style of football!!!!!! i liked zola met him at the cork match pre season , a real gent and i wanted him to do well but where did it get us??? the infamous bristol result and maybe zola had his erkstrand/norwich moment at the end of the season against leeds , hollowhead had his homwework done against us in the final,, for me gonna take the win ugly approach ,any which way but loose!!!!! the jesterwestport
  • Score: 0

2:06am Thu 21 Aug 14

the jesterwestport says...

ps hes now 6/4 fav ahead of felix the cat at fulham
ps hes now 6/4 fav ahead of felix the cat at fulham the jesterwestport
  • Score: -13

4:15am Thu 21 Aug 14

Blissett'sRevenge says...

Several points here: first, this seems pretty clearly to be a situation in which Frank Smith knows a lot of things that he can't publish. The article is a little thin but you have to think that Frank has been told some harsh things about Sannino off the record. Accusations that he's just "stirring the pot" are unworthy. Smith and the WO have earned our respect for the their coverage of the team, which has generally been quite good since the last half of the Bassini era.

Second, the deafening silence from management is note-worthy. Maybe you can make the argument that, up until now, it would have been undignified and unwise for Duxbury to comment on Twitter rumors but now that this is out in the open and Sannino has been quoted, management has to issue a statement of support or **** him by their silence. It would be very interesting to know whether any of Frank's sources for the unrest are in the front office. His lead that "Sannino's reign is in serious doubt" is a little strong if he hasn't obtained some kind of confirmation.

Third, this is not just about playing time. It probably isn't even mostly about playing time. The players can count. They know the size of the squad. They knew squad spots were going to be hotly contested and, being highly competitive professional athletes, they think they are likely to win those competitions. You don't give up on that after four games. Sannino suggests that players don't like him because he yells too much but I don't buy that. Personally, I think screaming is a pretty limited management technique. Do you perform better at your job if you boss yells at you? Most studies suggest the contrary. But football coaching has been pretty old-fashioned and I'm sure most of the players have been screamed at plenty over their careers. They can take that if it's in the normal course. Something else is going on.

Finally, you absolutely cannot judge this situation based on the results of the first four matches. Sure, it's great that we've won three of four but it's less than 10% of the season. It's just far too small a sample size and matches can so easily turn on little things. So, put the results aside for the moment. Consider the debacle at the end of last season. Consider the steady drip of rumors about unrest in the dressing room over the summer. Think about what would cause seasoned pros like Dyer and Munari to engage in such public defiance. Decide whether you like the way the team has been selected, prepared and played. And consider why Frank Smith, who's an experienced reporter who has been right far more often than wrong, would feel comfortable coming out with such a strong statement.

All in all, this is a massive test for Duxbury and the Pozzos. They may have made a significant error in selecting Sannino. We know from their record at Udinese that the Pozzos are not afraid of management turnover, but are they willing to give up on their guy so quickly? Do they see the players' actions as whiny insubordination (as some on this message board seem to) or do they go into Micheal Corleone mode and treat this a purely business matter where emotions (and loyalty? and pride?) have no place. It's a tough call and it depends on information that we don't have full access to. I hate to say it but I am afraid that if they don't get the answer right, we could sabotage our chance for a very special season.

COYH.
Several points here: first, this seems pretty clearly to be a situation in which Frank Smith knows a lot of things that he can't publish. The article is a little thin but you have to think that Frank has been told some harsh things about Sannino off the record. Accusations that he's just "stirring the pot" are unworthy. Smith and the WO have earned our respect for the their coverage of the team, which has generally been quite good since the last half of the Bassini era. Second, the deafening silence from management is note-worthy. Maybe you can make the argument that, up until now, it would have been undignified and unwise for Duxbury to comment on Twitter rumors but now that this is out in the open and Sannino has been quoted, management has to issue a statement of support or **** him by their silence. It would be very interesting to know whether any of Frank's sources for the unrest are in the front office. His lead that "Sannino's reign is in serious doubt" is a little strong if he hasn't obtained some kind of confirmation. Third, this is not just about playing time. It probably isn't even mostly about playing time. The players can count. They know the size of the squad. They knew squad spots were going to be hotly contested and, being highly competitive professional athletes, they think they are likely to win those competitions. You don't give up on that after four games. Sannino suggests that players don't like him because he yells too much but I don't buy that. Personally, I think screaming is a pretty limited management technique. Do you perform better at your job if you boss yells at you? Most studies suggest the contrary. But football coaching has been pretty old-fashioned and I'm sure most of the players have been screamed at plenty over their careers. They can take that if it's in the normal course. Something else is going on. Finally, you absolutely cannot judge this situation based on the results of the first four matches. Sure, it's great that we've won three of four but it's less than 10% of the season. It's just far too small a sample size and matches can so easily turn on little things. So, put the results aside for the moment. Consider the debacle at the end of last season. Consider the steady drip of rumors about unrest in the dressing room over the summer. Think about what would cause seasoned pros like Dyer and Munari to engage in such public defiance. Decide whether you like the way the team has been selected, prepared and played. And consider why Frank Smith, who's an experienced reporter who has been right far more often than wrong, would feel comfortable coming out with such a strong statement. All in all, this is a massive test for Duxbury and the Pozzos. They may have made a significant error in selecting Sannino. We know from their record at Udinese that the Pozzos are not afraid of management turnover, but are they willing to give up on their guy so quickly? Do they see the players' actions as whiny insubordination (as some on this message board seem to) or do they go into Micheal Corleone mode and treat this a purely business matter where emotions (and loyalty? and pride?) have no place. It's a tough call and it depends on information that we don't have full access to. I hate to say it but I am afraid that if they don't get the answer right, we could sabotage our chance for a very special season. COYH. Blissett'sRevenge
  • Score: 118

6:05am Thu 21 Aug 14

northofwatfordpete says...

For me even after just 4 games I think we are under performing - results OK but we look a mid table team. No doubt we have the quality but we are not dominating teams or controlling games. I know it is early days but I suspect that several key players are concerned more about our performances and this may be the cause of the unrest rather than Sanino's antics.
For me even after just 4 games I think we are under performing - results OK but we look a mid table team. No doubt we have the quality but we are not dominating teams or controlling games. I know it is early days but I suspect that several key players are concerned more about our performances and this may be the cause of the unrest rather than Sanino's antics. northofwatfordpete
  • Score: 11

6:08am Thu 21 Aug 14

rayman01 says...

Blissett'sRevenge wrote:
Several points here: first, this seems pretty clearly to be a situation in which Frank Smith knows a lot of things that he can't publish. The article is a little thin but you have to think that Frank has been told some harsh things about Sannino off the record. Accusations that he's just "stirring the pot" are unworthy. Smith and the WO have earned our respect for the their coverage of the team, which has generally been quite good since the last half of the Bassini era.

Second, the deafening silence from management is note-worthy. Maybe you can make the argument that, up until now, it would have been undignified and unwise for Duxbury to comment on Twitter rumors but now that this is out in the open and Sannino has been quoted, management has to issue a statement of support or **** him by their silence. It would be very interesting to know whether any of Frank's sources for the unrest are in the front office. His lead that "Sannino's reign is in serious doubt" is a little strong if he hasn't obtained some kind of confirmation.

Third, this is not just about playing time. It probably isn't even mostly about playing time. The players can count. They know the size of the squad. They knew squad spots were going to be hotly contested and, being highly competitive professional athletes, they think they are likely to win those competitions. You don't give up on that after four games. Sannino suggests that players don't like him because he yells too much but I don't buy that. Personally, I think screaming is a pretty limited management technique. Do you perform better at your job if you boss yells at you? Most studies suggest the contrary. But football coaching has been pretty old-fashioned and I'm sure most of the players have been screamed at plenty over their careers. They can take that if it's in the normal course. Something else is going on.

Finally, you absolutely cannot judge this situation based on the results of the first four matches. Sure, it's great that we've won three of four but it's less than 10% of the season. It's just far too small a sample size and matches can so easily turn on little things. So, put the results aside for the moment. Consider the debacle at the end of last season. Consider the steady drip of rumors about unrest in the dressing room over the summer. Think about what would cause seasoned pros like Dyer and Munari to engage in such public defiance. Decide whether you like the way the team has been selected, prepared and played. And consider why Frank Smith, who's an experienced reporter who has been right far more often than wrong, would feel comfortable coming out with such a strong statement.

All in all, this is a massive test for Duxbury and the Pozzos. They may have made a significant error in selecting Sannino. We know from their record at Udinese that the Pozzos are not afraid of management turnover, but are they willing to give up on their guy so quickly? Do they see the players' actions as whiny insubordination (as some on this message board seem to) or do they go into Micheal Corleone mode and treat this a purely business matter where emotions (and loyalty? and pride?) have no place. It's a tough call and it depends on information that we don't have full access to. I hate to say it but I am afraid that if they don't get the answer right, we could sabotage our chance for a very special season.

COYH.
On reflection Frank has done a good job in recent months and has been more right than wrong. He is also quoting Sannino directly, but rather too much and too liberally without any other source to give perspective. We are in the age of the syndicated news paper with interviews by video link and social media. To give an example when WO was a local newspaper they had a local photographeron the payroll to take action photos at home game. Have you noticed how most of the Vydra photos are from last loan spell and it has been commented upon about the old stock photos of Dyer without WFC shirt, so the Wobby can still employ lazy journalism at times. Luv the Horns!
[quote][p][bold]Blissett'sRevenge[/bold] wrote: Several points here: first, this seems pretty clearly to be a situation in which Frank Smith knows a lot of things that he can't publish. The article is a little thin but you have to think that Frank has been told some harsh things about Sannino off the record. Accusations that he's just "stirring the pot" are unworthy. Smith and the WO have earned our respect for the their coverage of the team, which has generally been quite good since the last half of the Bassini era. Second, the deafening silence from management is note-worthy. Maybe you can make the argument that, up until now, it would have been undignified and unwise for Duxbury to comment on Twitter rumors but now that this is out in the open and Sannino has been quoted, management has to issue a statement of support or **** him by their silence. It would be very interesting to know whether any of Frank's sources for the unrest are in the front office. His lead that "Sannino's reign is in serious doubt" is a little strong if he hasn't obtained some kind of confirmation. Third, this is not just about playing time. It probably isn't even mostly about playing time. The players can count. They know the size of the squad. They knew squad spots were going to be hotly contested and, being highly competitive professional athletes, they think they are likely to win those competitions. You don't give up on that after four games. Sannino suggests that players don't like him because he yells too much but I don't buy that. Personally, I think screaming is a pretty limited management technique. Do you perform better at your job if you boss yells at you? Most studies suggest the contrary. But football coaching has been pretty old-fashioned and I'm sure most of the players have been screamed at plenty over their careers. They can take that if it's in the normal course. Something else is going on. Finally, you absolutely cannot judge this situation based on the results of the first four matches. Sure, it's great that we've won three of four but it's less than 10% of the season. It's just far too small a sample size and matches can so easily turn on little things. So, put the results aside for the moment. Consider the debacle at the end of last season. Consider the steady drip of rumors about unrest in the dressing room over the summer. Think about what would cause seasoned pros like Dyer and Munari to engage in such public defiance. Decide whether you like the way the team has been selected, prepared and played. And consider why Frank Smith, who's an experienced reporter who has been right far more often than wrong, would feel comfortable coming out with such a strong statement. All in all, this is a massive test for Duxbury and the Pozzos. They may have made a significant error in selecting Sannino. We know from their record at Udinese that the Pozzos are not afraid of management turnover, but are they willing to give up on their guy so quickly? Do they see the players' actions as whiny insubordination (as some on this message board seem to) or do they go into Micheal Corleone mode and treat this a purely business matter where emotions (and loyalty? and pride?) have no place. It's a tough call and it depends on information that we don't have full access to. I hate to say it but I am afraid that if they don't get the answer right, we could sabotage our chance for a very special season. COYH.[/p][/quote]On reflection Frank has done a good job in recent months and has been more right than wrong. He is also quoting Sannino directly, but rather too much and too liberally without any other source to give perspective. We are in the age of the syndicated news paper with interviews by video link and social media. To give an example when WO was a local newspaper they had a local photographeron the payroll to take action photos at home game. Have you noticed how most of the Vydra photos are from last loan spell and it has been commented upon about the old stock photos of Dyer without WFC shirt, so the Wobby can still employ lazy journalism at times. Luv the Horns! rayman01
  • Score: 10

6:12am Thu 21 Aug 14

buckler says...

Great news ..
Great news .. buckler
  • Score: -40

6:22am Thu 21 Aug 14

SAHornet says...

There are plenty of seasoned championship/prem managers who succeed just fine without yelling and screaming at their players like they were school-kids. These are men he's dealing with here and they need to be handled accordingly by management. I hope that if Beppe goes, The Pozzo's will take the bull by the horns and appoint what's, let's be honest, we are all craving for and that's a seasoned championship/premier
ship manager who has perfect english and is given significant input in recruitment.
There are plenty of seasoned championship/prem managers who succeed just fine without yelling and screaming at their players like they were school-kids. These are men he's dealing with here and they need to be handled accordingly by management. I hope that if Beppe goes, The Pozzo's will take the bull by the horns and appoint what's, let's be honest, we are all craving for and that's a seasoned championship/premier ship manager who has perfect english and is given significant input in recruitment. SAHornet
  • Score: 5

6:24am Thu 21 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Lot of sentimental tosh here.
If you've got someone screaming at you in a language you don't understand HTF are you supposed to flourish?
I don't like player power any more than the next fan but its clear who and what the problem is here.
And again people take time to attack the WO and Frank Smith, for writing an informative article that is in no way sensationalist. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
A reporter is there to report, and if it highlights an issue, that is not stirring at all, it is journalism and its how we get news for good or for bad.
Lot of sentimental tosh here. If you've got someone screaming at you in a language you don't understand HTF are you supposed to flourish? I don't like player power any more than the next fan but its clear who and what the problem is here. And again people take time to attack the WO and Frank Smith, for writing an informative article that is in no way sensationalist. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. A reporter is there to report, and if it highlights an issue, that is not stirring at all, it is journalism and its how we get news for good or for bad. lutondown
  • Score: 44

6:30am Thu 21 Aug 14

Watfordwes says...

Sad times ...

It can't be Deeney or angella or theyd have left, can't be tozcer or he wouldn't have signed.

those like doyley who signed new contracts didn't want to go

The new signings should have researched the managers style before signing so I have no symaphy with them.

The squad is huge, Zola couldn't keep everyone happy so he rotated then left.

With a director of football beppe has not chosen our signings so inevitably will have favourites.

I'm not 100% convinced by beppe the managers but hate all of this player power nonsense and talking behind managers back. It is everything which is wrong with the modern game.
Sad times ... It can't be Deeney or angella or theyd have left, can't be tozcer or he wouldn't have signed. those like doyley who signed new contracts didn't want to go The new signings should have researched the managers style before signing so I have no symaphy with them. The squad is huge, Zola couldn't keep everyone happy so he rotated then left. With a director of football beppe has not chosen our signings so inevitably will have favourites. I'm not 100% convinced by beppe the managers but hate all of this player power nonsense and talking behind managers back. It is everything which is wrong with the modern game. Watfordwes
  • Score: 59

6:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

buckler says...

I usually call it right! Where's wurzel - bristol hornet right now?
I usually call it right! Where's wurzel - bristol hornet right now? buckler
  • Score: -39

7:01am Thu 21 Aug 14

Traceyhornet says...

I was at the match on Tuesday and, with all due respect to Rotherham, if we'd been playing a team that wasn't still getting to grips with the Championship there's no way we'd have been going in at half time on equal terms! In my opinion, of which I know lots of you won't agree, we have a squad that are good enough to be winning these matches not because of the manager, but despite him! The players clearly don't like him, but far more importantly, they don't appear to respect him either.
I was at the match on Tuesday and, with all due respect to Rotherham, if we'd been playing a team that wasn't still getting to grips with the Championship there's no way we'd have been going in at half time on equal terms! In my opinion, of which I know lots of you won't agree, we have a squad that are good enough to be winning these matches not because of the manager, but despite him! The players clearly don't like him, but far more importantly, they don't appear to respect him either. Traceyhornet
  • Score: 45

7:04am Thu 21 Aug 14

mellow yellow says...

Watfordwes wrote:
Sad times ...

It can't be Deeney or angella or theyd have left, can't be tozcer or he wouldn't have signed.

those like doyley who signed new contracts didn't want to go

The new signings should have researched the managers style before signing so I have no symaphy with them.

The squad is huge, Zola couldn't keep everyone happy so he rotated then left.

With a director of football beppe has not chosen our signings so inevitably will have favourites.

I'm not 100% convinced by beppe the managers but hate all of this player power nonsense and talking behind managers back. It is everything which is wrong with the modern game.
There are plenty of things wrong with the modern game, and player power is perceived to be one of them, but was it not player power at Leeds that did for Brian Clough forty years ago?!

I think Frank Smith has written some pretty fine articles in recent times. If he knows more than he can let on here, that is his privilege. As for undermining the club, one could view it as the opposite... Here we have the biggest and best collection of individuals for many a year, and a fantastic chance of promotion to the top flight. If they don't respect the gaffer, that is a major issue.

As for the Pozzos, they appointed Sannino on a short term contract. The reasons were obvious. Even if he did get us up, he hasn't the experience or personality to keep us up, in my view. And someone, somewhere, has chucked a significant amount of money on him being sacked.... Hence the odds coming in to an almost shocking degree. I think Beppe is a decent man, and would back him for now without reading about this unrest, but the trouble is I HAVE read about the unrest.

I also note how few people have commented on Nani recently. To me, he (or rather his position) is also part of the problem. What do players get told? What are their expectations?

I trust the Pozzos. Just not sure about the rest of the main management.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: Sad times ... It can't be Deeney or angella or theyd have left, can't be tozcer or he wouldn't have signed. those like doyley who signed new contracts didn't want to go The new signings should have researched the managers style before signing so I have no symaphy with them. The squad is huge, Zola couldn't keep everyone happy so he rotated then left. With a director of football beppe has not chosen our signings so inevitably will have favourites. I'm not 100% convinced by beppe the managers but hate all of this player power nonsense and talking behind managers back. It is everything which is wrong with the modern game.[/p][/quote]There are plenty of things wrong with the modern game, and player power is perceived to be one of them, but was it not player power at Leeds that did for Brian Clough forty years ago?! I think Frank Smith has written some pretty fine articles in recent times. If he knows more than he can let on here, that is his privilege. As for undermining the club, one could view it as the opposite... Here we have the biggest and best collection of individuals for many a year, and a fantastic chance of promotion to the top flight. If they don't respect the gaffer, that is a major issue. As for the Pozzos, they appointed Sannino on a short term contract. The reasons were obvious. Even if he did get us up, he hasn't the experience or personality to keep us up, in my view. And someone, somewhere, has chucked a significant amount of money on him being sacked.... Hence the odds coming in to an almost shocking degree. I think Beppe is a decent man, and would back him for now without reading about this unrest, but the trouble is I HAVE read about the unrest. I also note how few people have commented on Nani recently. To me, he (or rather his position) is also part of the problem. What do players get told? What are their expectations? I trust the Pozzos. Just not sure about the rest of the main management. mellow yellow
  • Score: 18

7:07am Thu 21 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation.

HC
This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation. HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 14

7:19am Thu 21 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation.

HC
Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation. HC[/p][/quote]Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge. EltonForever
  • Score: 15

7:23am Thu 21 Aug 14

N Joydegame says...

This issue goes back to the last 4 games of last season, where it seems BS totally lost the squad's confidence. Then to cap it all he demanded the players stay on for a fortnights extra training when they were all in holiday mode. (A totally crass decision when it would have made more impact to get them all back to training a week or two early?)
A bad boss doesn't usually change and if he wasn't liked last year why would this change now? Having to balance a large squad is not an unusual situation. No one wants to work for someone who rants and raves continually. If the players don't respect him then time to go, even if it is only after 3 games.
This issue goes back to the last 4 games of last season, where it seems BS totally lost the squad's confidence. Then to cap it all he demanded the players stay on for a fortnights extra training when they were all in holiday mode. (A totally crass decision when it would have made more impact to get them all back to training a week or two early?) A bad boss doesn't usually change and if he wasn't liked last year why would this change now? Having to balance a large squad is not an unusual situation. No one wants to work for someone who rants and raves continually. If the players don't respect him then time to go, even if it is only after 3 games. N Joydegame
  • Score: 5

7:52am Thu 21 Aug 14

Watfordwes says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Watfordwes wrote:
Sad times ...

It can't be Deeney or angella or theyd have left, can't be tozcer or he wouldn't have signed.

those like doyley who signed new contracts didn't want to go

The new signings should have researched the managers style before signing so I have no symaphy with them.

The squad is huge, Zola couldn't keep everyone happy so he rotated then left.

With a director of football beppe has not chosen our signings so inevitably will have favourites.

I'm not 100% convinced by beppe the managers but hate all of this player power nonsense and talking behind managers back. It is everything which is wrong with the modern game.
There are plenty of things wrong with the modern game, and player power is perceived to be one of them, but was it not player power at Leeds that did for Brian Clough forty years ago?!

I think Frank Smith has written some pretty fine articles in recent times. If he knows more than he can let on here, that is his privilege. As for undermining the club, one could view it as the opposite... Here we have the biggest and best collection of individuals for many a year, and a fantastic chance of promotion to the top flight. If they don't respect the gaffer, that is a major issue.

As for the Pozzos, they appointed Sannino on a short term contract. The reasons were obvious. Even if he did get us up, he hasn't the experience or personality to keep us up, in my view. And someone, somewhere, has chucked a significant amount of money on him being sacked.... Hence the odds coming in to an almost shocking degree. I think Beppe is a decent man, and would back him for now without reading about this unrest, but the trouble is I HAVE read about the unrest.

I also note how few people have commented on Nani recently. To me, he (or rather his position) is also part of the problem. What do players get told? What are their expectations?

I trust the Pozzos. Just not sure about the rest of the main management.
Sorry but in Frank's own words this is not a rumour site ... He is not working for a tabloid.

So far we have seen dyer is not happy and sannino says this is my style back me or sack me, probably in his pidgeon English which is open to interpretation and manipulation.

None of that translates to the headline or the statement of serious player unrest.

If Frank knows more it is his duty as a Watford fan to get it out into the public domain.

If his job is more important than WFC then I don't really value what he writes anyway.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: Sad times ... It can't be Deeney or angella or theyd have left, can't be tozcer or he wouldn't have signed. those like doyley who signed new contracts didn't want to go The new signings should have researched the managers style before signing so I have no symaphy with them. The squad is huge, Zola couldn't keep everyone happy so he rotated then left. With a director of football beppe has not chosen our signings so inevitably will have favourites. I'm not 100% convinced by beppe the managers but hate all of this player power nonsense and talking behind managers back. It is everything which is wrong with the modern game.[/p][/quote]There are plenty of things wrong with the modern game, and player power is perceived to be one of them, but was it not player power at Leeds that did for Brian Clough forty years ago?! I think Frank Smith has written some pretty fine articles in recent times. If he knows more than he can let on here, that is his privilege. As for undermining the club, one could view it as the opposite... Here we have the biggest and best collection of individuals for many a year, and a fantastic chance of promotion to the top flight. If they don't respect the gaffer, that is a major issue. As for the Pozzos, they appointed Sannino on a short term contract. The reasons were obvious. Even if he did get us up, he hasn't the experience or personality to keep us up, in my view. And someone, somewhere, has chucked a significant amount of money on him being sacked.... Hence the odds coming in to an almost shocking degree. I think Beppe is a decent man, and would back him for now without reading about this unrest, but the trouble is I HAVE read about the unrest. I also note how few people have commented on Nani recently. To me, he (or rather his position) is also part of the problem. What do players get told? What are their expectations? I trust the Pozzos. Just not sure about the rest of the main management.[/p][/quote]Sorry but in Frank's own words this is not a rumour site ... He is not working for a tabloid. So far we have seen dyer is not happy and sannino says this is my style back me or sack me, probably in his pidgeon English which is open to interpretation and manipulation. None of that translates to the headline or the statement of serious player unrest. If Frank knows more it is his duty as a Watford fan to get it out into the public domain. If his job is more important than WFC then I don't really value what he writes anyway. Watfordwes
  • Score: -14

7:52am Thu 21 Aug 14

mkhornet says...

We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?
We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us? mkhornet
  • Score: 36

8:00am Thu 21 Aug 14

rayman01 says...

The harsh reality is that if Beppe walks or is sacked it will be partially the responsibility of the Pozzos, Nani or Duxbury. The point about what were players told before signing about getting in the first team is well made. Dyer who is an experienced dedicated player seems to think he would be first choice. However Beppe is right in that he must choose team, coach and manage. Did the recruitment team give players unrealistic expectations. As I said previously you can only put 11 players on the pitch. What is depressing is that with another great squad, on track but not brilliant as yet, but same issues that Zola faced have returned. Systemic management failure? Luv the Horns!
The harsh reality is that if Beppe walks or is sacked it will be partially the responsibility of the Pozzos, Nani or Duxbury. The point about what were players told before signing about getting in the first team is well made. Dyer who is an experienced dedicated player seems to think he would be first choice. However Beppe is right in that he must choose team, coach and manage. Did the recruitment team give players unrealistic expectations. As I said previously you can only put 11 players on the pitch. What is depressing is that with another great squad, on track but not brilliant as yet, but same issues that Zola faced have returned. Systemic management failure? Luv the Horns! rayman01
  • Score: 26

8:08am Thu 21 Aug 14

and then what says...

Based on this I can understand why the players cannot understand the man.
We have a brilliant squad now and it is really important to ensure that the main component i.e. manager can get the best out of them and max their potential. If he is unable to communicate with most of them then he has no chance, I suspect our current performance is based on the teams talent rather than guidance and tactics. If a change needs to be made then it should happen sooner rather than later (it may also coincide with Malky's availability!)
Based on this I can understand why the players cannot understand the man. We have a brilliant squad now and it is really important to ensure that the main component i.e. manager can get the best out of them and max their potential. If he is unable to communicate with most of them then he has no chance, I suspect our current performance is based on the teams talent rather than guidance and tactics. If a change needs to be made then it should happen sooner rather than later (it may also coincide with Malky's availability!) and then what
  • Score: 5

8:16am Thu 21 Aug 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Bye bye Beppe!
Bye bye Beppe! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: -24

8:16am Thu 21 Aug 14

Stewbyhorn1 says...

If Beppe is sent on his way then who comes in next? Another unknown foreign manager who will have to start all over again and doesn't know the championship?
For me that's where the problem lies
If Beppe is sent on his way then who comes in next? Another unknown foreign manager who will have to start all over again and doesn't know the championship? For me that's where the problem lies Stewbyhorn1
  • Score: 28

8:22am Thu 21 Aug 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

northofwatfordpete wrote:
For me even after just 4 games I think we are under performing - results OK but we look a mid table team. No doubt we have the quality but we are not dominating teams or controlling games. I know it is early days but I suspect that several key players are concerned more about our performances and this may be the cause of the unrest rather than Sanino's antics.
I strongly disagree with this view. The start to the season has been difficult perhaps apart from Bolton, who I thought were poor. The game on Tuesday was always going to be very difficult and one we may have lost last season. We are not going to dominate, but can we win these type of games where we lost last season?

For me you know a newly promoted side will be up for it at this time of the season. Fresh with exciting challenges the whole club are on a high and 'at it', before results dwindle confidence and enthusiasm wanes.

That was a tough physical game on Tuesday and yes Rotherham put us to the sword. But in all the years I have been involved in watching and coaching at high levels I never felt we were in trouble. The chances they created were half chances only and defensively we looked resolute and strong. Angella, Tamas and Hoban were strong and disciplined, something we weren't last season. We had to subdue the enthusiasm of a newly promoted club, be patient and kill them off. That is exactly what happened, and for me they have learned from last season and added some steel with Tamas, and Andrews for example. The likes of Angella has learnt from last season and has a different mentality this season, Just what most of us were calling for last season.

Sannino needs an open meeting with the players with honesty from both parties. They are professionals and need to act as such. A spiritless dressing room is very dangerous, and one would hope that individuals take some responsibility for that whatever their disappointment. They are men but many times also little boys in the way they behave, and probably it's in many pros make up. That's what gives them talent, but there has to be a balance.

Let's hope that whatever the outcome is, that common sense and a sensibility of where the team and club is at this point in time prevails.

Sannino has a massive task on his hand to keep the high number of players in the squad away from dissent and involved in a team ethic. Is Sannino the right person? I don't honestly know yet. This will certainly be his toughest test. His job is a very difficult one and I don't know whether he is experienced enough or not?

We need stability and patience more so than ever at this moment in time, and the players if they want to be part of a Premiership squad need to understand that also.
[quote][p][bold]northofwatfordpete[/bold] wrote: For me even after just 4 games I think we are under performing - results OK but we look a mid table team. No doubt we have the quality but we are not dominating teams or controlling games. I know it is early days but I suspect that several key players are concerned more about our performances and this may be the cause of the unrest rather than Sanino's antics.[/p][/quote]I strongly disagree with this view. The start to the season has been difficult perhaps apart from Bolton, who I thought were poor. The game on Tuesday was always going to be very difficult and one we may have lost last season. We are not going to dominate, but can we win these type of games where we lost last season? For me you know a newly promoted side will be up for it at this time of the season. Fresh with exciting challenges the whole club are on a high and 'at it', before results dwindle confidence and enthusiasm wanes. That was a tough physical game on Tuesday and yes Rotherham put us to the sword. But in all the years I have been involved in watching and coaching at high levels I never felt we were in trouble. The chances they created were half chances only and defensively we looked resolute and strong. Angella, Tamas and Hoban were strong and disciplined, something we weren't last season. We had to subdue the enthusiasm of a newly promoted club, be patient and kill them off. That is exactly what happened, and for me they have learned from last season and added some steel with Tamas, and Andrews for example. The likes of Angella has learnt from last season and has a different mentality this season, Just what most of us were calling for last season. Sannino needs an open meeting with the players with honesty from both parties. They are professionals and need to act as such. A spiritless dressing room is very dangerous, and one would hope that individuals take some responsibility for that whatever their disappointment. They are men but many times also little boys in the way they behave, and probably it's in many pros make up. That's what gives them talent, but there has to be a balance. Let's hope that whatever the outcome is, that common sense and a sensibility of where the team and club is at this point in time prevails. Sannino has a massive task on his hand to keep the high number of players in the squad away from dissent and involved in a team ethic. Is Sannino the right person? I don't honestly know yet. This will certainly be his toughest test. His job is a very difficult one and I don't know whether he is experienced enough or not? We need stability and patience more so than ever at this moment in time, and the players if they want to be part of a Premiership squad need to understand that also. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 48

8:23am Thu 21 Aug 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Stewbyhorn1 wrote:
If Beppe is sent on his way then who comes in next? Another unknown foreign manager who will have to start all over again and doesn't know the championship?
For me that's where the problem lies
Exactly! I've said it from day one we need a manager with the tools to get us out of the Championship and that would be a Pulis or a Holloway type manager who have been there and done it
[quote][p][bold]Stewbyhorn1[/bold] wrote: If Beppe is sent on his way then who comes in next? Another unknown foreign manager who will have to start all over again and doesn't know the championship? For me that's where the problem lies[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've said it from day one we need a manager with the tools to get us out of the Championship and that would be a Pulis or a Holloway type manager who have been there and done it Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: -36

8:25am Thu 21 Aug 14

Surbiton says...

Firstly this is NOT a moan purely an observation. For those who are in denial about the situation. Then look no further than Tuesday night. Dyer wasn't singing the praises of his manager when he rushed over towards the bench. There is no way to be really sure but Sannino's cagey comments suggests there is a problem and it is not surprising given the size of the squad.

Part of the problem is again Nani who has signed so many players it is almost impossible to keep them all happy. This is one of the weaknesses in this type of system with a Director of Football and a Head Coach. As to how much say Sannino's has in their purchase remains doubtful.

The only obvious answer is to ship out quite a few on loan with an immediate recall if needed. For sure, if there is a problem in the way he is dealing with his players on the training ground, then there is only one way to deal with that and Gino Pozzo has the answer.
Firstly this is NOT a moan purely an observation. For those who are in denial about the situation. Then look no further than Tuesday night. Dyer wasn't singing the praises of his manager when he rushed over towards the bench. There is no way to be really sure but Sannino's cagey comments suggests there is a problem and it is not surprising given the size of the squad. Part of the problem is again Nani who has signed so many players it is almost impossible to keep them all happy. This is one of the weaknesses in this type of system with a Director of Football and a Head Coach. As to how much say Sannino's has in their purchase remains doubtful. The only obvious answer is to ship out quite a few on loan with an immediate recall if needed. For sure, if there is a problem in the way he is dealing with his players on the training ground, then there is only one way to deal with that and Gino Pozzo has the answer. Surbiton
  • Score: 10

8:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

EltonForever wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation.

HC
Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge.
Agreed EltonForever, we have had a pretty decent start, we've got a god set of players, a manager that has personality and has got them grinding out results and just because a few of them are perceived to have spat their dummies out, certain individuals think the manager has to go. Everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is if players do not want to play as a team and for Watford, then leave. The manager and the Pozzo's have a common goal and the players either sign up to it and behave, of they leave.

There have always been rumours about players unrest... Marlon King smacking Boothroyd, Zola at the start of last season, Beppe at the end of last season... and they cannot all be bad managers.

If any of the problematic players at Watford are reading this, behave the way professionals should do.

Thank you. Rant over

HC
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation. HC[/p][/quote]Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge.[/p][/quote]Agreed EltonForever, we have had a pretty decent start, we've got a god set of players, a manager that has personality and has got them grinding out results and just because a few of them are perceived to have spat their dummies out, certain individuals think the manager has to go. Everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is if players do not want to play as a team and for Watford, then leave. The manager and the Pozzo's have a common goal and the players either sign up to it and behave, of they leave. There have always been rumours about players unrest... Marlon King smacking Boothroyd, Zola at the start of last season, Beppe at the end of last season... and they cannot all be bad managers. If any of the problematic players at Watford are reading this, behave the way professionals should do. Thank you. Rant over HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 20

8:35am Thu 21 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

that should say 'good set of results' before anyone jumps to any conclusions..
that should say 'good set of results' before anyone jumps to any conclusions.. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 0

8:44am Thu 21 Aug 14

DuffmanWFC says...

Again it's more about a few upset players than the whole squad!
So to all the anti Beppe so called fans? Do u think this article helps? Do you think a replacement gaffa will be able to play all 24 players? Do you think even a so called top boss would of done better so far? The answer is NO!
It's only natural that u can't keep everyone happy as only 18 can be involved. The only problem we have is that we have 20 odd really good players!
Beppe knows his best side and I think we all do too - we all pick the following players as must starts or in the match day squad if fully fit:
Gomes
Angella
Hoban
Tamas
Dyer
Anya
Abdi
Toszer
McGugan
Deeney
Vydra
Bond
Paredes
Ekstrand
Forrestieri
Andrews
Pudil
Ighalo

Then u have; Munari, Murray, CB, Renegie, Doyley, Cathcart etc etc

All of these are good enough and it'll be hard to keep everyone happy

The only way will to be to get rid I suppose?

It really frustrates me that the WO really enjoy promoting or stirring up this Beppe situation along with the Deeney speculation!
It's like they want Beppe out and Deeney sold for a club record fee!

There is little support from the WO and those who post there rubbish on here!

I would still support WFC if we had 18 rubbish players and a washed up old hag as a manager! So I ask u all to get behind our great club and show our support to Beppe and the team on match days!
Again it's more about a few upset players than the whole squad! So to all the anti Beppe so called fans? Do u think this article helps? Do you think a replacement gaffa will be able to play all 24 players? Do you think even a so called top boss would of done better so far? The answer is NO! It's only natural that u can't keep everyone happy as only 18 can be involved. The only problem we have is that we have 20 odd really good players! Beppe knows his best side and I think we all do too - we all pick the following players as must starts or in the match day squad if fully fit: Gomes Angella Hoban Tamas Dyer Anya Abdi Toszer McGugan Deeney Vydra Bond Paredes Ekstrand Forrestieri Andrews Pudil Ighalo Then u have; Munari, Murray, CB, Renegie, Doyley, Cathcart etc etc All of these are good enough and it'll be hard to keep everyone happy The only way will to be to get rid I suppose? It really frustrates me that the WO really enjoy promoting or stirring up this Beppe situation along with the Deeney speculation! It's like they want Beppe out and Deeney sold for a club record fee! There is little support from the WO and those who post there rubbish on here! I would still support WFC if we had 18 rubbish players and a washed up old hag as a manager! So I ask u all to get behind our great club and show our support to Beppe and the team on match days! DuffmanWFC
  • Score: 42

8:45am Thu 21 Aug 14

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Spoke to Lloydinho day before yesterday, he reiterated that the players are unhappy with him screaming in their faces, although said he can be nice at times.
Really don't know how I feel about this, he seems like a good bloke and should be able to get on with the job he was employed to do, but player power in the game has gone stupid!
Whatever happens, its unrest that we could do without.
Spoke to Lloydinho day before yesterday, he reiterated that the players are unhappy with him screaming in their faces, although said he can be nice at times. Really don't know how I feel about this, he seems like a good bloke and should be able to get on with the job he was employed to do, but player power in the game has gone stupid! Whatever happens, its unrest that we could do without. Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
  • Score: 27

8:53am Thu 21 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
Stewbyhorn1 wrote:
If Beppe is sent on his way then who comes in next? Another unknown foreign manager who will have to start all over again and doesn't know the championship?
For me that's where the problem lies
Exactly! I've said it from day one we need a manager with the tools to get us out of the Championship and that would be a Pulis or a Holloway type manager who have been there and done it
Pulis and Holloway are tools, you're right there.
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stewbyhorn1[/bold] wrote: If Beppe is sent on his way then who comes in next? Another unknown foreign manager who will have to start all over again and doesn't know the championship? For me that's where the problem lies[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've said it from day one we need a manager with the tools to get us out of the Championship and that would be a Pulis or a Holloway type manager who have been there and done it[/p][/quote]Pulis and Holloway are tools, you're right there. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 44

9:01am Thu 21 Aug 14

SMP says...

and then what wrote:
Based on this I can understand why the players cannot understand the man.
We have a brilliant squad now and it is really important to ensure that the main component i.e. manager can get the best out of them and max their potential. If he is unable to communicate with most of them then he has no chance, I suspect our current performance is based on the teams talent rather than guidance and tactics. If a change needs to be made then it should happen sooner rather than later (it may also coincide with Malky's availability!)
Have you seen the tabloids this am re Mackay and Moody?? If true Malky won't be touched with a barge stone by any club
[quote][p][bold]and then what[/bold] wrote: Based on this I can understand why the players cannot understand the man. We have a brilliant squad now and it is really important to ensure that the main component i.e. manager can get the best out of them and max their potential. If he is unable to communicate with most of them then he has no chance, I suspect our current performance is based on the teams talent rather than guidance and tactics. If a change needs to be made then it should happen sooner rather than later (it may also coincide with Malky's availability!)[/p][/quote]Have you seen the tabloids this am re Mackay and Moody?? If true Malky won't be touched with a barge stone by any club SMP
  • Score: 4

9:03am Thu 21 Aug 14

JohnnyHornet says...

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny wrote:
Spoke to Lloydinho day before yesterday, he reiterated that the players are unhappy with him screaming in their faces, although said he can be nice at times.
Really don't know how I feel about this, he seems like a good bloke and should be able to get on with the job he was employed to do, but player power in the game has gone stupid!
Whatever happens, its unrest that we could do without.
Cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer gets a result but not always the one you want.
[quote][p][bold]Ronny oh Ronny Ronny[/bold] wrote: Spoke to Lloydinho day before yesterday, he reiterated that the players are unhappy with him screaming in their faces, although said he can be nice at times. Really don't know how I feel about this, he seems like a good bloke and should be able to get on with the job he was employed to do, but player power in the game has gone stupid! Whatever happens, its unrest that we could do without.[/p][/quote]Cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer gets a result but not always the one you want. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 11

9:04am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tynedale Hornet says...

Not surprised this has surfaced but needs to get resolved quickly. I would love to see Nigel Gibbs involved somewhere in the coaching set up again; highly respected, Watford through and through, and has been there and done it....and available!
Not surprised this has surfaced but needs to get resolved quickly. I would love to see Nigel Gibbs involved somewhere in the coaching set up again; highly respected, Watford through and through, and has been there and done it....and available! Tynedale Hornet
  • Score: 16

9:11am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

Surbiton wrote:
Firstly this is NOT a moan purely an observation. For those who are in denial about the situation. Then look no further than Tuesday night. Dyer wasn't singing the praises of his manager when he rushed over towards the bench. There is no way to be really sure but Sannino's cagey comments suggests there is a problem and it is not surprising given the size of the squad.

Part of the problem is again Nani who has signed so many players it is almost impossible to keep them all happy. This is one of the weaknesses in this type of system with a Director of Football and a Head Coach. As to how much say Sannino's has in their purchase remains doubtful.

The only obvious answer is to ship out quite a few on loan with an immediate recall if needed. For sure, if there is a problem in the way he is dealing with his players on the training ground, then there is only one way to deal with that and Gino Pozzo has the answer.
Dyer was, however, only one player, and by the way, the only player who really has a right to be unhappy about not being selected.
[quote][p][bold]Surbiton[/bold] wrote: Firstly this is NOT a moan purely an observation. For those who are in denial about the situation. Then look no further than Tuesday night. Dyer wasn't singing the praises of his manager when he rushed over towards the bench. There is no way to be really sure but Sannino's cagey comments suggests there is a problem and it is not surprising given the size of the squad. Part of the problem is again Nani who has signed so many players it is almost impossible to keep them all happy. This is one of the weaknesses in this type of system with a Director of Football and a Head Coach. As to how much say Sannino's has in their purchase remains doubtful. The only obvious answer is to ship out quite a few on loan with an immediate recall if needed. For sure, if there is a problem in the way he is dealing with his players on the training ground, then there is only one way to deal with that and Gino Pozzo has the answer.[/p][/quote]Dyer was, however, only one player, and by the way, the only player who really has a right to be unhappy about not being selected. The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: -1

9:18am Thu 21 Aug 14

jasonwatford says...

Ok Lets get one right here , RDM will not be joining us now or ever so can we all get this out of our minds , No English manager will be given a chance here , We will get another Italian. Do we all like our boss ? Another example of certain players playing up again I believe. Who ever comes in will only be able to pick 18 players so will he give the other 6 tickets for bowling or the cinema to keep them happy ???? Do we cut down the squad then when we get injuries everyone will cry out we don't have cover !!!! Yes he is aggressive but that is his way........He is not nasty or violent to people. Perhaps our boys might like to have a day with Graham Taylor , John Ward and Tom Whalley when they were not in a good mood.
Ok Lets get one right here , RDM will not be joining us now or ever so can we all get this out of our minds , No English manager will be given a chance here , We will get another Italian. Do we all like our boss ? Another example of certain players playing up again I believe. Who ever comes in will only be able to pick 18 players so will he give the other 6 tickets for bowling or the cinema to keep them happy ???? Do we cut down the squad then when we get injuries everyone will cry out we don't have cover !!!! Yes he is aggressive but that is his way........He is not nasty or violent to people. Perhaps our boys might like to have a day with Graham Taylor , John Ward and Tom Whalley when they were not in a good mood. jasonwatford
  • Score: 26

9:21am Thu 21 Aug 14

Havana Club says...

He wont take this club forward. He might have a unique style, but I think lack of a common language with the squad is a major problem.

Friction between players and manager - complicated in this case by language barrier - does not make a successful team. Think of recent promoted teams, eg Pearson at Leicester, Dyche at Burnley, they seem to be led by level headed men with respect from their players. You could see it in the team's play itself. Sannino doesn't score highly in either count.

And what has been the defining Sannino performance? The stand out match that showed our direction? Away to QPR, when we still lost?

3 wins in 4 is not 'sacking form', but if they're going to make a change then do it now, on the back of 3 wins in four (not a run of five without a win). Or at the latest, leave it as it is for the three games before Aug 30th, then there is a 2 week break to take early stock. But after that, we must commit.
He wont take this club forward. He might have a unique style, but I think lack of a common language with the squad is a major problem. Friction between players and manager - complicated in this case by language barrier - does not make a successful team. Think of recent promoted teams, eg Pearson at Leicester, Dyche at Burnley, they seem to be led by level headed men with respect from their players. You could see it in the team's play itself. Sannino doesn't score highly in either count. And what has been the defining Sannino performance? The stand out match that showed our direction? Away to QPR, when we still lost? 3 wins in 4 is not 'sacking form', but if they're going to make a change then do it now, on the back of 3 wins in four (not a run of five without a win). Or at the latest, leave it as it is for the three games before Aug 30th, then there is a 2 week break to take early stock. But after that, we must commit. Havana Club
  • Score: 4

9:21am Thu 21 Aug 14

chrisptrifle says...

Blissett'sRevenge wrote:
Several points here: first, this seems pretty clearly to be a situation in which Frank Smith knows a lot of things that he can't publish. The article is a little thin but you have to think that Frank has been told some harsh things about Sannino off the record. Accusations that he's just "stirring the pot" are unworthy. Smith and the WO have earned our respect for the their coverage of the team, which has generally been quite good since the last half of the Bassini era.

Second, the deafening silence from management is note-worthy. Maybe you can make the argument that, up until now, it would have been undignified and unwise for Duxbury to comment on Twitter rumors but now that this is out in the open and Sannino has been quoted, management has to issue a statement of support or **** him by their silence. It would be very interesting to know whether any of Frank's sources for the unrest are in the front office. His lead that "Sannino's reign is in serious doubt" is a little strong if he hasn't obtained some kind of confirmation.

Third, this is not just about playing time. It probably isn't even mostly about playing time. The players can count. They know the size of the squad. They knew squad spots were going to be hotly contested and, being highly competitive professional athletes, they think they are likely to win those competitions. You don't give up on that after four games. Sannino suggests that players don't like him because he yells too much but I don't buy that. Personally, I think screaming is a pretty limited management technique. Do you perform better at your job if you boss yells at you? Most studies suggest the contrary. But football coaching has been pretty old-fashioned and I'm sure most of the players have been screamed at plenty over their careers. They can take that if it's in the normal course. Something else is going on.

Finally, you absolutely cannot judge this situation based on the results of the first four matches. Sure, it's great that we've won three of four but it's less than 10% of the season. It's just far too small a sample size and matches can so easily turn on little things. So, put the results aside for the moment. Consider the debacle at the end of last season. Consider the steady drip of rumors about unrest in the dressing room over the summer. Think about what would cause seasoned pros like Dyer and Munari to engage in such public defiance. Decide whether you like the way the team has been selected, prepared and played. And consider why Frank Smith, who's an experienced reporter who has been right far more often than wrong, would feel comfortable coming out with such a strong statement.

All in all, this is a massive test for Duxbury and the Pozzos. They may have made a significant error in selecting Sannino. We know from their record at Udinese that the Pozzos are not afraid of management turnover, but are they willing to give up on their guy so quickly? Do they see the players' actions as whiny insubordination (as some on this message board seem to) or do they go into Micheal Corleone mode and treat this a purely business matter where emotions (and loyalty? and pride?) have no place. It's a tough call and it depends on information that we don't have full access to. I hate to say it but I am afraid that if they don't get the answer right, we could sabotage our chance for a very special season.

COYH.
Good thought provoking post, and written so early in the morning ! Well done that man (or woman).
[quote][p][bold]Blissett'sRevenge[/bold] wrote: Several points here: first, this seems pretty clearly to be a situation in which Frank Smith knows a lot of things that he can't publish. The article is a little thin but you have to think that Frank has been told some harsh things about Sannino off the record. Accusations that he's just "stirring the pot" are unworthy. Smith and the WO have earned our respect for the their coverage of the team, which has generally been quite good since the last half of the Bassini era. Second, the deafening silence from management is note-worthy. Maybe you can make the argument that, up until now, it would have been undignified and unwise for Duxbury to comment on Twitter rumors but now that this is out in the open and Sannino has been quoted, management has to issue a statement of support or **** him by their silence. It would be very interesting to know whether any of Frank's sources for the unrest are in the front office. His lead that "Sannino's reign is in serious doubt" is a little strong if he hasn't obtained some kind of confirmation. Third, this is not just about playing time. It probably isn't even mostly about playing time. The players can count. They know the size of the squad. They knew squad spots were going to be hotly contested and, being highly competitive professional athletes, they think they are likely to win those competitions. You don't give up on that after four games. Sannino suggests that players don't like him because he yells too much but I don't buy that. Personally, I think screaming is a pretty limited management technique. Do you perform better at your job if you boss yells at you? Most studies suggest the contrary. But football coaching has been pretty old-fashioned and I'm sure most of the players have been screamed at plenty over their careers. They can take that if it's in the normal course. Something else is going on. Finally, you absolutely cannot judge this situation based on the results of the first four matches. Sure, it's great that we've won three of four but it's less than 10% of the season. It's just far too small a sample size and matches can so easily turn on little things. So, put the results aside for the moment. Consider the debacle at the end of last season. Consider the steady drip of rumors about unrest in the dressing room over the summer. Think about what would cause seasoned pros like Dyer and Munari to engage in such public defiance. Decide whether you like the way the team has been selected, prepared and played. And consider why Frank Smith, who's an experienced reporter who has been right far more often than wrong, would feel comfortable coming out with such a strong statement. All in all, this is a massive test for Duxbury and the Pozzos. They may have made a significant error in selecting Sannino. We know from their record at Udinese that the Pozzos are not afraid of management turnover, but are they willing to give up on their guy so quickly? Do they see the players' actions as whiny insubordination (as some on this message board seem to) or do they go into Micheal Corleone mode and treat this a purely business matter where emotions (and loyalty? and pride?) have no place. It's a tough call and it depends on information that we don't have full access to. I hate to say it but I am afraid that if they don't get the answer right, we could sabotage our chance for a very special season. COYH.[/p][/quote]Good thought provoking post, and written so early in the morning ! Well done that man (or woman). chrisptrifle
  • Score: 11

9:23am Thu 21 Aug 14

endean2 says...

SMP wrote:
and then what wrote:
Based on this I can understand why the players cannot understand the man.
We have a brilliant squad now and it is really important to ensure that the main component i.e. manager can get the best out of them and max their potential. If he is unable to communicate with most of them then he has no chance, I suspect our current performance is based on the teams talent rather than guidance and tactics. If a change needs to be made then it should happen sooner rather than later (it may also coincide with Malky's availability!)
Have you seen the tabloids this am re Mackay and Moody?? If true Malky won't be touched with a barge stone by any club
leeds
[quote][p][bold]SMP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and then what[/bold] wrote: Based on this I can understand why the players cannot understand the man. We have a brilliant squad now and it is really important to ensure that the main component i.e. manager can get the best out of them and max their potential. If he is unable to communicate with most of them then he has no chance, I suspect our current performance is based on the teams talent rather than guidance and tactics. If a change needs to be made then it should happen sooner rather than later (it may also coincide with Malky's availability!)[/p][/quote]Have you seen the tabloids this am re Mackay and Moody?? If true Malky won't be touched with a barge stone by any club[/p][/quote]leeds endean2
  • Score: 4

9:24am Thu 21 Aug 14

Nordin Wooter says...

If things are as bad as they seem, changes need to be made. With the injuries that we have had so far, I have been grateful of the depth to our squad. That said if everyone is fit, there are always going to be a few quality defenders, few midfielders and a couple of strikers who don't make it onto the bench. We are only three games in and if it is causing an issue now, what will it be like in 10 or 20 games time. Players who realistically are not going to be in the the match day squad should be loaned out if they aren't going to benefit from playing in the reserves.
Beppe has proved my pre season doubts wrong so far as I have been pleased with what he has done. That said, winning the respect of the team will be very hard and could be impossible. Having the pozzo's in charge gives me hope that things will turn out well.
Let's hope Deeney is fully on board with the manager to put things right
If things are as bad as they seem, changes need to be made. With the injuries that we have had so far, I have been grateful of the depth to our squad. That said if everyone is fit, there are always going to be a few quality defenders, few midfielders and a couple of strikers who don't make it onto the bench. We are only three games in and if it is causing an issue now, what will it be like in 10 or 20 games time. Players who realistically are not going to be in the the match day squad should be loaned out if they aren't going to benefit from playing in the reserves. Beppe has proved my pre season doubts wrong so far as I have been pleased with what he has done. That said, winning the respect of the team will be very hard and could be impossible. Having the pozzo's in charge gives me hope that things will turn out well. Let's hope Deeney is fully on board with the manager to put things right Nordin Wooter
  • Score: 13

9:33am Thu 21 Aug 14

Gash69 says...

What everyone nears to realise is that under the Pozzo's WFC will always have a head Coach & not a manager & as such we will never attract a proven championship manager to the club, the likes of Pulis, Mackay etc, would never work within these parameters as they would want more freedom to work within on the football side of the club. I take on board the other comments made about BS shortcomings, but is it a case of better the devil you know ? realistically who will we get to replace him ? Forget about DiMatteo as he will fall into the same category as Pulis. All we as fans can do is turn up on Saturday & support the players selected to play in yellow. Can't think that all this will help us keep Troy !
What everyone nears to realise is that under the Pozzo's WFC will always have a head Coach & not a manager & as such we will never attract a proven championship manager to the club, the likes of Pulis, Mackay etc, would never work within these parameters as they would want more freedom to work within on the football side of the club. I take on board the other comments made about BS shortcomings, but is it a case of better the devil you know ? realistically who will we get to replace him ? Forget about DiMatteo as he will fall into the same category as Pulis. All we as fans can do is turn up on Saturday & support the players selected to play in yellow. Can't think that all this will help us keep Troy ! Gash69
  • Score: 14

9:34am Thu 21 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 12

9:36am Thu 21 Aug 14

rowlingstone says...

In this case, WO and us fans should support the Manager. Looking at our next fixtures - Leeds at home, Hudders at Home, Charlton Away, Blackpool Away - these games are all winnable. Any distractions could interfere - win these games and we're heading in the right direction. The players need to be patient and understand there opportunity will come. Its a long season, injuries will happen etc so there's plenty of opportunities for all players to play a role.
In this case, WO and us fans should support the Manager. Looking at our next fixtures - Leeds at home, Hudders at Home, Charlton Away, Blackpool Away - these games are all winnable. Any distractions could interfere - win these games and we're heading in the right direction. The players need to be patient and understand there opportunity will come. Its a long season, injuries will happen etc so there's plenty of opportunities for all players to play a role. rowlingstone
  • Score: 24

9:39am Thu 21 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Too early to say how we are doing this year, 3 games in. If he left it wouldn't be anything to do with results. last year he stabilised things but we ended roughly where we were when he joined. Perhaps those who suggest he "turned things round" are thinking of the switch in home form rather than overall form ?

I'm amazed he is still here after the "holiday" debacle at the end of last season. It's clear that his tough, excitable style contributed to the issue last year. Good man management skills are essential with a large talented squad expected to do well but this seems to be exactly the area he is weak in. The players need to respect the coach and want to perform for him. You can't earn respect by shouting at players and commenting on the size of your/their balls !! This needs to be resolved and given I doubt he can change his style I think he has to go. The issue would be who would come in. Its really not ideal to change after pre-season and 3 games with the window shutting in a weeks time. RDM would be prefect and given he's unlikely to walk into a prem role, a serious promotion contender might be attractive to him. But would he prepared to just be coach and have little say in recruitment ? My ideal replacement would be GZ with a defence coach and a plan B that didn't involve rotating 8 players !
Too early to say how we are doing this year, 3 games in. If he left it wouldn't be anything to do with results. last year he stabilised things but we ended roughly where we were when he joined. Perhaps those who suggest he "turned things round" are thinking of the switch in home form rather than overall form ? I'm amazed he is still here after the "holiday" debacle at the end of last season. It's clear that his tough, excitable style contributed to the issue last year. Good man management skills are essential with a large talented squad expected to do well but this seems to be exactly the area he is weak in. The players need to respect the coach and want to perform for him. You can't earn respect by shouting at players and commenting on the size of your/their balls !! This needs to be resolved and given I doubt he can change his style I think he has to go. The issue would be who would come in. Its really not ideal to change after pre-season and 3 games with the window shutting in a weeks time. RDM would be prefect and given he's unlikely to walk into a prem role, a serious promotion contender might be attractive to him. But would he prepared to just be coach and have little say in recruitment ? My ideal replacement would be GZ with a defence coach and a plan B that didn't involve rotating 8 players ! Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: -1

9:42am Thu 21 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ? Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 29

9:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

matey_from_brighton says...

mkhornet wrote:
We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?
play off final.
[quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?[/p][/quote]play off final. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 25

10:02am Thu 21 Aug 14

DuncanWelbourne'sshinpad says...

Think this has been festering since he kept them back from their hols end season after the abysmal Huddersfield display. Saturday will be a big indicator of what's going on . Dare I say a home loss and we could be making a change already .
Think this has been festering since he kept them back from their hols end season after the abysmal Huddersfield display. Saturday will be a big indicator of what's going on . Dare I say a home loss and we could be making a change already . DuncanWelbourne'sshinpad
  • Score: 5

10:04am Thu 21 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

mkhornet wrote:
We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?
within a gnats c0ck of th epremiership?
[quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?[/p][/quote]within a gnats c0ck of th epremiership? JonBoy
  • Score: 12

10:18am Thu 21 Aug 14

mike c dorset says...

mkhornet wrote:
We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?
the play off final at Wembley.
[quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?[/p][/quote]the play off final at Wembley. mike c dorset
  • Score: 14

10:21am Thu 21 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

Bring back Zola, the football was great. He had a bad patch, lets forgive him and give him another chance. it is a low cost option, we still have his office name plate at the training ground. get George graham to come in 3 days a week to coach the defenders. Zola wants to come back, he knows he has a point to prove. he is Italian and he knows the Championship, it all makes sense.
Bring back Zola, the football was great. He had a bad patch, lets forgive him and give him another chance. it is a low cost option, we still have his office name plate at the training ground. get George graham to come in 3 days a week to coach the defenders. Zola wants to come back, he knows he has a point to prove. he is Italian and he knows the Championship, it all makes sense. Andrew1963
  • Score: 18

10:26am Thu 21 Aug 14

Oracledave says...

The most successful manager in British history invented the famous 'hairdryer' treatment, threw a boot at a player (and hit another by mistake!) and shipped out players who defied him. I suspect he also raised his voice ever so slightly during the various confrontations.

What are the odds that AF was liked by most of the the players ? Not great I would say. But he was surely always respected. He never 'lost' the dressing room. And it surely does not matter that losing the dressing room ( is that based on a percentage one wonders ?) may or may not be justified. Either way the impact will be just as devastating on performance.

So, the smart owner will be gathering information quietly to determine the mood and will then act accordingly.
The most successful manager in British history invented the famous 'hairdryer' treatment, threw a boot at a player (and hit another by mistake!) and shipped out players who defied him. I suspect he also raised his voice ever so slightly during the various confrontations. What are the odds that AF was liked by most of the the players ? Not great I would say. But he was surely always respected. He never 'lost' the dressing room. And it surely does not matter that losing the dressing room ( is that based on a percentage one wonders ?) may or may not be justified. Either way the impact will be just as devastating on performance. So, the smart owner will be gathering information quietly to determine the mood and will then act accordingly. Oracledave
  • Score: 16

10:26am Thu 21 Aug 14

corey_wfc says...

mike c dorset wrote:
mkhornet wrote: We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?
the play off final at Wembley.
I think the backlash from how close we came is what stunted that second season under GFZ. We were a goal away from automatic promotion... The impact of the leeds game and then on top of that the play-off saga just took the spring out of Gianfranco's little step.

On a slightly different note, I'd love to see Battochio playing this weekend. He's such a joy to watch and deserves a game. And Dyer, obviously...

COYH.
[quote][p][bold]mike c dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?[/p][/quote]the play off final at Wembley.[/p][/quote]I think the backlash from how close we came is what stunted that second season under GFZ. We were a goal away from automatic promotion... The impact of the leeds game and then on top of that the play-off saga just took the spring out of Gianfranco's little step. On a slightly different note, I'd love to see Battochio playing this weekend. He's such a joy to watch and deserves a game. And Dyer, obviously... COYH. corey_wfc
  • Score: 3

10:31am Thu 21 Aug 14

Watfordwes says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?
Report it with sources, not protect his rats
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?[/p][/quote]Report it with sources, not protect his rats Watfordwes
  • Score: -9

10:48am Thu 21 Aug 14

Oracledave says...

Watfordwes wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?
Report it with sources, not protect his rats
When you quote sources you instantly lose them forever. First rule of journalism.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?[/p][/quote]Report it with sources, not protect his rats[/p][/quote]When you quote sources you instantly lose them forever. First rule of journalism. Oracledave
  • Score: 15

10:50am Thu 21 Aug 14

matey_from_brighton says...

you have to look beyond results and I would say that after an initial upturn when Bepe started there has been no discernible improvement in the way we have performed. At home we have performed well, but in away games we are much worse. Under Zola, we had a style that worked well and we looked dangerous every time we attacked with pace. This is no longer the case. Against Rotherham we battled well and got the first goal, but if we had conceded the first I have no confidence we could have got back into it.

On another point did anyone else notice Bepe wandering around the side of the pitch in the last few minutes of the match at Rotherham seemingly in a world of his own, not really watching the match too closely?

I know it rarely works bringing a manager back but if Zola did come back it would really lift the whole place and we could be unstoppable with the players we have now.
you have to look beyond results and I would say that after an initial upturn when Bepe started there has been no discernible improvement in the way we have performed. At home we have performed well, but in away games we are much worse. Under Zola, we had a style that worked well and we looked dangerous every time we attacked with pace. This is no longer the case. Against Rotherham we battled well and got the first goal, but if we had conceded the first I have no confidence we could have got back into it. On another point did anyone else notice Bepe wandering around the side of the pitch in the last few minutes of the match at Rotherham seemingly in a world of his own, not really watching the match too closely? I know it rarely works bringing a manager back but if Zola did come back it would really lift the whole place and we could be unstoppable with the players we have now. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 11

10:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

VOReason says...

Oracledave wrote:
Watfordwes wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?
Report it with sources, not protect his rats
When you quote sources you instantly lose them forever. First rule of journalism.
What is a story without back up or justification? Why haven't the rest of the media picked up on this story?

I hope the rat/ rats are outed then we may e able to move forward as a club.

On footballing level I would have replaced Sannino in the summer. For a bigger name to attract more players and unite the foreign talent with the rigours of championship football.

However the Pozzos chose to stick with Beppe, the season has started and we ve won 3/4.

I don't want to see sulking players and/ or the local wannabe big time journalist upset the applecart
[quote][p][bold]Oracledave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?[/p][/quote]Report it with sources, not protect his rats[/p][/quote]When you quote sources you instantly lose them forever. First rule of journalism.[/p][/quote]What is a story without back up or justification? Why haven't the rest of the media picked up on this story? I hope the rat/ rats are outed then we may e able to move forward as a club. On footballing level I would have replaced Sannino in the summer. For a bigger name to attract more players and unite the foreign talent with the rigours of championship football. However the Pozzos chose to stick with Beppe, the season has started and we ve won 3/4. I don't want to see sulking players and/ or the local wannabe big time journalist upset the applecart VOReason
  • Score: 1

10:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

VOReason says...

Oracledave wrote:
Watfordwes wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?
Report it with sources, not protect his rats
When you quote sources you instantly lose them forever. First rule of journalism.
What is a story without back up or justification? Why haven't the rest of the media picked up on this story?

I hope the rat/ rats are outed then we may e able to move forward as a club.

On footballing level I would have replaced Sannino in the summer. For a bigger name to attract more players and unite the foreign talent with the rigours of championship football.

However the Pozzos chose to stick with Beppe, the season has started and we ve won 3/4.

I don't want to see sulking players and/ or the local wannabe big time journalist upset the applecart
[quote][p][bold]Oracledave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?[/p][/quote]Report it with sources, not protect his rats[/p][/quote]When you quote sources you instantly lose them forever. First rule of journalism.[/p][/quote]What is a story without back up or justification? Why haven't the rest of the media picked up on this story? I hope the rat/ rats are outed then we may e able to move forward as a club. On footballing level I would have replaced Sannino in the summer. For a bigger name to attract more players and unite the foreign talent with the rigours of championship football. However the Pozzos chose to stick with Beppe, the season has started and we ve won 3/4. I don't want to see sulking players and/ or the local wannabe big time journalist upset the applecart VOReason
  • Score: -2

10:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

Anyone looking at Frank stirring is mad, he is doing his job and no doubt has been approached by a few players with this info and has asked Beppe front on regarding this. He cannot give more info as his sources would not want this and if he did they would probably never talk to him again. The club set up is disjointed in operation and it has failed at many clubs because of this type of set up, with Nani recruiting players and dealing with all aspects of it the Head Coach as Beppe is and points out only gets told who he has and whats happening after the matter, we do not know what Nani has said and agreed with Dyer for example re play time but I would imagine Nani would have smooched him to sign with some sort of promises and comforting of status, now Beppe has Dyer and 4 other players for the position and needs to decide who he picks for first team, would Beppe know Dyer well prior apart from one season, of course not. Does Beppe have a say in signings?, Does he have a say in positions he needs? Looking at the last 3 seasons I have to say I doubt it for Zola or Beppe, we were crying out for defenders and a forward first season and instead got midfielders, in the second season again we needed another goalkeeper and forward and we got more midfielders, only this season has the balance been better but I can still look at certain positions and see we have lots of depth which ultimatley means we are going to have a problem with rotation and moral, a good Head Coach manages this but it sounds like Beppe is getting angry instead and losing the dressing room. His decision making on some subs have been questionable and despite the fact we have won 3 of 4 matches we have not produced the football to be promotion contenders apart from the Bolton match, as nuts as that sounds we fought hard to win against Stevenage and Rotherham they were not walks in the park and in truth could have lost both, and despite being a man down we looked a poor team against Norwich. I think Beppes days are numbered and better to address it now rather than later as I would not like to see our chances ruined by something off field, but it is not just the coach position that needs addressing it is the recruitment communication and agreement that needs addressing, something that needs people like Nani to buy into as well.
Anyone looking at Frank stirring is mad, he is doing his job and no doubt has been approached by a few players with this info and has asked Beppe front on regarding this. He cannot give more info as his sources would not want this and if he did they would probably never talk to him again. The club set up is disjointed in operation and it has failed at many clubs because of this type of set up, with Nani recruiting players and dealing with all aspects of it the Head Coach as Beppe is and points out only gets told who he has and whats happening after the matter, we do not know what Nani has said and agreed with Dyer for example re play time but I would imagine Nani would have smooched him to sign with some sort of promises and comforting of status, now Beppe has Dyer and 4 other players for the position and needs to decide who he picks for first team, would Beppe know Dyer well prior apart from one season, of course not. Does Beppe have a say in signings?, Does he have a say in positions he needs? Looking at the last 3 seasons I have to say I doubt it for Zola or Beppe, we were crying out for defenders and a forward first season and instead got midfielders, in the second season again we needed another goalkeeper and forward and we got more midfielders, only this season has the balance been better but I can still look at certain positions and see we have lots of depth which ultimatley means we are going to have a problem with rotation and moral, a good Head Coach manages this but it sounds like Beppe is getting angry instead and losing the dressing room. His decision making on some subs have been questionable and despite the fact we have won 3 of 4 matches we have not produced the football to be promotion contenders apart from the Bolton match, as nuts as that sounds we fought hard to win against Stevenage and Rotherham they were not walks in the park and in truth could have lost both, and despite being a man down we looked a poor team against Norwich. I think Beppes days are numbered and better to address it now rather than later as I would not like to see our chances ruined by something off field, but it is not just the coach position that needs addressing it is the recruitment communication and agreement that needs addressing, something that needs people like Nani to buy into as well. corbindallas
  • Score: 20

11:20am Thu 21 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

I honestly think Zola would get us promoted with this squad and in style
I honestly think Zola would get us promoted with this squad and in style JonBoy
  • Score: 14

11:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?
I don't think he's lying that some players don't like not being picked and some don't like being shouted at, but how does that equate to his reign being in serious doubt? The article doesn't justify the headline, so the headline appears to be divisive. If he knows more does he have a duty to report that as well?
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?[/p][/quote]I don't think he's lying that some players don't like not being picked and some don't like being shouted at, but how does that equate to his reign being in serious doubt? The article doesn't justify the headline, so the headline appears to be divisive. If he knows more does he have a duty to report that as well? Harry's Bar
  • Score: 7

11:28am Thu 21 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

JonBoy wrote:
I honestly think Zola would get us promoted with this squad and in style
...and I think the players would welcome him back and play for him too
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: I honestly think Zola would get us promoted with this squad and in style[/p][/quote]...and I think the players would welcome him back and play for him too Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 12

11:30am Thu 21 Aug 14

justahornetfan says...

No idea whether RDM would ever be likely to manage Watford but I was impressed by the spirit that his Chelsea players showed in winning the Champions league both individually and as a team.
Things change quickly in football and the pullis / palace situation is a prime example and who would have guessed it, however exceptional circumstances aside, I thought it was fair that BS would be given 10 to 20 games before he was judged for or against.
I must admit that I haven't been won over by him and am a doubter.

Regarding rotation, I'm for a smaller settled squad but in the Pozzo model the players are assets who will hopefully get Watford into the Premiership but also the players are very much assets to be bought and then sold for a maximum profit and as such they all need a chance and game time and the Pozzo model demands that players are rotated so that assets do not deteriorate.
It makes sense to reduce the squad size by loaning some players out and hope that the head headcoach can take the rest and mould a team with the spirit I saw in Chelsea under RDM.
Surely it is down to the motivation and man management skills of the head coach as to whether we have a team of talented individuals who are rotated, or a team of players who play like a single unit and watch each others backs like a real team does, even with some rotation.
It is also crucial that the players have belief in the manager and the tactics.
In my opinion, we seem to have the players but don't yet have the players playing with the team spirit I hope for nor as a single strong unit and the question marks are mostly about management, team choice and tactics.
It is very early days still and we've all been looking for the good signs that things are improving in these areas for a year or more but instead the signs are not encouraging despite the results.
Okay we now have a new stand and financial stability but what the fans want most is a repeat of the GT glory years and with the Watford team we had then there was always that belief that we had a chance against almost any team in the country if we played at our best and i believed we had a chance because the team i was watching fought for every ball, tried to win every tackle, never gave up and played like a real team with everyone working for each other AND I also had the same faith in our manager GT who got the fans, players and everyone at the club all pulling in the same direction together and as a team.
Different era, but the same things still build successful teams and while i'd like to see Beppe succeed, if it's not him then maybe the next guy or the one after that but we're all looking for the real signs of great times ahead which showed themselves for a while in Zola's first season but have been lacking ever since despite our squad of undoubtably talented players.
There is so much potential at Watford at the moment but I fear we won't be in the premiership any time soon unless our manager / coach can get everyone pulling together as a real team.
No idea whether RDM would ever be likely to manage Watford but I was impressed by the spirit that his Chelsea players showed in winning the Champions league both individually and as a team. Things change quickly in football and the pullis / palace situation is a prime example and who would have guessed it, however exceptional circumstances aside, I thought it was fair that BS would be given 10 to 20 games before he was judged for or against. I must admit that I haven't been won over by him and am a doubter. Regarding rotation, I'm for a smaller settled squad but in the Pozzo model the players are assets who will hopefully get Watford into the Premiership but also the players are very much assets to be bought and then sold for a maximum profit and as such they all need a chance and game time and the Pozzo model demands that players are rotated so that assets do not deteriorate. It makes sense to reduce the squad size by loaning some players out and hope that the head headcoach can take the rest and mould a team with the spirit I saw in Chelsea under RDM. Surely it is down to the motivation and man management skills of the head coach as to whether we have a team of talented individuals who are rotated, or a team of players who play like a single unit and watch each others backs like a real team does, even with some rotation. It is also crucial that the players have belief in the manager and the tactics. In my opinion, we seem to have the players but don't yet have the players playing with the team spirit I hope for nor as a single strong unit and the question marks are mostly about management, team choice and tactics. It is very early days still and we've all been looking for the good signs that things are improving in these areas for a year or more but instead the signs are not encouraging despite the results. Okay we now have a new stand and financial stability but what the fans want most is a repeat of the GT glory years and with the Watford team we had then there was always that belief that we had a chance against almost any team in the country if we played at our best and i believed we had a chance because the team i was watching fought for every ball, tried to win every tackle, never gave up and played like a real team with everyone working for each other AND I also had the same faith in our manager GT who got the fans, players and everyone at the club all pulling in the same direction together and as a team. Different era, but the same things still build successful teams and while i'd like to see Beppe succeed, if it's not him then maybe the next guy or the one after that but we're all looking for the real signs of great times ahead which showed themselves for a while in Zola's first season but have been lacking ever since despite our squad of undoubtably talented players. There is so much potential at Watford at the moment but I fear we won't be in the premiership any time soon unless our manager / coach can get everyone pulling together as a real team. justahornetfan
  • Score: 22

11:33am Thu 21 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Watfordwes wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?
Report it with sources, not protect his rats
So they are rats ? Better to have major issues between coach and players suppressed ? I think its much better to have it out on the table, brought to a head and dealt with.
If its 2 players sulking because they aren't getting a game, ship them out.
If its the majority of players hating the Sannino way/style of caching then we need to change the coach. We won't go up with an unhappy squad, even if it's kept under wraps and suppressed. Nor will we retain TD if the atmosphere isn't right.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Do we want the WO to report what is going on or just become a propaganda machine for the club ? If Frank gets this info he has a duty to report it even if it means it brings matters to a head at the club and even if you'd rather not hear the truth. Unless you believe Frank is lying ?[/p][/quote]Report it with sources, not protect his rats[/p][/quote]So they are rats ? Better to have major issues between coach and players suppressed ? I think its much better to have it out on the table, brought to a head and dealt with. If its 2 players sulking because they aren't getting a game, ship them out. If its the majority of players hating the Sannino way/style of caching then we need to change the coach. We won't go up with an unhappy squad, even if it's kept under wraps and suppressed. Nor will we retain TD if the atmosphere isn't right. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 8

11:48am Thu 21 Aug 14

Wimbledonhorn says...

Bring back Zola. A little unlucky last season when he had Hoban and Abdi both out injured. Add to that the lack of Vydra.

With this squad and his time out to reflect on past mistakes promotion could be acheived.
Bring back Zola. A little unlucky last season when he had Hoban and Abdi both out injured. Add to that the lack of Vydra. With this squad and his time out to reflect on past mistakes promotion could be acheived. Wimbledonhorn
  • Score: 8

12:22pm Thu 21 Aug 14

harryhornet says...

If anything happens, Glenn Hoddle should be first name on the list in my opinion.
If anything happens, Glenn Hoddle should be first name on the list in my opinion. harryhornet
  • Score: -42

12:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

harryhornet wrote:
If anything happens, Glenn Hoddle should be first name on the list in my opinion.
With Eileen Drewery as assistant?
[quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: If anything happens, Glenn Hoddle should be first name on the list in my opinion.[/p][/quote]With Eileen Drewery as assistant? JonBoy
  • Score: 17

12:40pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Stoney77 says...

Well I never...... never have us posters been on such good form and good behaviour. Barely a bicker amongst us. Fantastic discussion. Lots of fantastically well written posts and appreciation of different thoughts, opinions and angles. Adversity seems to be bringing the best out of us. Our love and passion for the club is shining through.
Not sure I have much more to say on the matter other than has already been posted and as I said, some fantastic reads on here. As one post said, as individual supporters, its out of our control, we just turn up every Saturday and hope for 3 points.

Its tough to call whether some players are acting like brats and if there are 'anti Sannino cliques' forming in the squad, or whether Sannino simply has terrible man management skills and the players are justifiably unhappy - that is, of course, if all these 'rumours' are true, which again we don't know for sure.

Either way, lets hope it dies down soon or he gets the boot soon. The quicker the matter is sorted the better.

Roll on Saturday
Well I never...... never have us posters been on such good form and good behaviour. Barely a bicker amongst us. Fantastic discussion. Lots of fantastically well written posts and appreciation of different thoughts, opinions and angles. Adversity seems to be bringing the best out of us. Our love and passion for the club is shining through. Not sure I have much more to say on the matter other than has already been posted and as I said, some fantastic reads on here. As one post said, as individual supporters, its out of our control, we just turn up every Saturday and hope for 3 points. Its tough to call whether some players are acting like brats and if there are 'anti Sannino cliques' forming in the squad, or whether Sannino simply has terrible man management skills and the players are justifiably unhappy - that is, of course, if all these 'rumours' are true, which again we don't know for sure. Either way, lets hope it dies down soon or he gets the boot soon. The quicker the matter is sorted the better. Roll on Saturday Stoney77
  • Score: 24

12:43pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

Wimbledonhorn wrote:
Bring back Zola. A little unlucky last season when he had Hoban and Abdi both out injured. Add to that the lack of Vydra.

With this squad and his time out to reflect on past mistakes promotion could be acheived.
....meanwhile, back on planet Earth.
[quote][p][bold]Wimbledonhorn[/bold] wrote: Bring back Zola. A little unlucky last season when he had Hoban and Abdi both out injured. Add to that the lack of Vydra. With this squad and his time out to reflect on past mistakes promotion could be acheived.[/p][/quote]....meanwhile, back on planet Earth. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 4

12:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

longcliffe says...

Oh dear is the tin-pot club in turmoil again?

Deeney won't want to be there, probably go for £4m now.
Oh dear is the tin-pot club in turmoil again? Deeney won't want to be there, probably go for £4m now. longcliffe
  • Score: -68

1:13pm Thu 21 Aug 14

AMP4WFC says...

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Again it's more about a few upset players than the whole squad!
So to all the anti Beppe so called fans? Do u think this article helps? Do you think a replacement gaffa will be able to play all 24 players? Do you think even a so called top boss would of done better so far? The answer is NO!
It's only natural that u can't keep everyone happy as only 18 can be involved. The only problem we have is that we have 20 odd really good players!
Beppe knows his best side and I think we all do too - we all pick the following players as must starts or in the match day squad if fully fit:
Gomes
Angella
Hoban
Tamas
Dyer
Anya
Abdi
Toszer
McGugan
Deeney
Vydra
Bond
Paredes
Ekstrand
Forrestieri
Andrews
Pudil
Ighalo

Then u have; Munari, Murray, CB, Renegie, Doyley, Cathcart etc etc

All of these are good enough and it'll be hard to keep everyone happy

The only way will to be to get rid I suppose?

It really frustrates me that the WO really enjoy promoting or stirring up this Beppe situation along with the Deeney speculation!
It's like they want Beppe out and Deeney sold for a club record fee!

There is little support from the WO and those who post there rubbish on here!

I would still support WFC if we had 18 rubbish players and a washed up old hag as a manager! So I ask u all to get behind our great club and show our support to Beppe and the team on match days!
Absolutely spot on DuffmannWFC. Very good piece.
[quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: Again it's more about a few upset players than the whole squad! So to all the anti Beppe so called fans? Do u think this article helps? Do you think a replacement gaffa will be able to play all 24 players? Do you think even a so called top boss would of done better so far? The answer is NO! It's only natural that u can't keep everyone happy as only 18 can be involved. The only problem we have is that we have 20 odd really good players! Beppe knows his best side and I think we all do too - we all pick the following players as must starts or in the match day squad if fully fit: Gomes Angella Hoban Tamas Dyer Anya Abdi Toszer McGugan Deeney Vydra Bond Paredes Ekstrand Forrestieri Andrews Pudil Ighalo Then u have; Munari, Murray, CB, Renegie, Doyley, Cathcart etc etc All of these are good enough and it'll be hard to keep everyone happy The only way will to be to get rid I suppose? It really frustrates me that the WO really enjoy promoting or stirring up this Beppe situation along with the Deeney speculation! It's like they want Beppe out and Deeney sold for a club record fee! There is little support from the WO and those who post there rubbish on here! I would still support WFC if we had 18 rubbish players and a washed up old hag as a manager! So I ask u all to get behind our great club and show our support to Beppe and the team on match days![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on DuffmannWFC. Very good piece. AMP4WFC
  • Score: 0

1:17pm Thu 21 Aug 14

SMP says...

longcliffe wrote:
Oh dear is the tin-pot club in turmoil again?

Deeney won't want to be there, probably go for £4m now.
Can't let go can you!!!! For a fan of another club you spend an awfully long time taking an interest in ours!
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Oh dear is the tin-pot club in turmoil again? Deeney won't want to be there, probably go for £4m now.[/p][/quote]Can't let go can you!!!! For a fan of another club you spend an awfully long time taking an interest in ours! SMP
  • Score: 33

1:21pm Thu 21 Aug 14

tonyevans22 says...

Communication is the main problem,although the last Southampton manager managed to get the best out of his players.But it has to be done with some control.Losing your temper with players because of errors can not happen,they are all human,will make mistakes.Ranting and Raving solves nothing.Watch dvd's of the games,make points of what he wants players in certain situations.We need a settled side,a settle side will help players understand each other on the field.If it's a winning side then there is no need to change it.But In SB defence we played 3 games in a week and 1 game with 10 men.He either got away with it at Rotherham or it was a tactical genius..I don't want this merry-go round with players coming here on loan then going out on loan,that is pointless.We need players who are up and ready and better than we have in the 1st team.Nani is creating the problems with too many players which Zola also did not like.If players want 1st team football then they have to show why they should not be out the team.One player who I really feel for is Forestieri..No way should he have been overlooked for Fabbrini.Came on v Bolton,scored and then dropped again.
Communication is the main problem,although the last Southampton manager managed to get the best out of his players.But it has to be done with some control.Losing your temper with players because of errors can not happen,they are all human,will make mistakes.Ranting and Raving solves nothing.Watch dvd's of the games,make points of what he wants players in certain situations.We need a settled side,a settle side will help players understand each other on the field.If it's a winning side then there is no need to change it.But In SB defence we played 3 games in a week and 1 game with 10 men.He either got away with it at Rotherham or it was a tactical genius..I don't want this merry-go round with players coming here on loan then going out on loan,that is pointless.We need players who are up and ready and better than we have in the 1st team.Nani is creating the problems with too many players which Zola also did not like.If players want 1st team football then they have to show why they should not be out the team.One player who I really feel for is Forestieri..No way should he have been overlooked for Fabbrini.Came on v Bolton,scored and then dropped again. tonyevans22
  • Score: 6

1:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Grissom says...

It is a question that no-one in any walk of life would answer. Dyer and Munari could have been flattering Sannino by way of imitating the Head Coach's Italian exuberance and methods!
It is a question that no-one in any walk of life would answer. Dyer and Munari could have been flattering Sannino by way of imitating the Head Coach's Italian exuberance and methods! Grissom
  • Score: 5

1:25pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lockerbiehornet says...

SSN reporting clubs are lining up to make an offer for McGugan, if we're needing to lose some players maybe this is one who we can afford to go now we have so much cover?
SSN reporting clubs are lining up to make an offer for McGugan, if we're needing to lose some players maybe this is one who we can afford to go now we have so much cover? lockerbiehornet
  • Score: -16

1:42pm Thu 21 Aug 14

tommy gunn says...

How many dressing rooms are harmonious places ? not many , ok if you are in a winning team and keep your place not so good if you are an outsider. Cliques form and unrest follows .It was different for Zola, he had a playing record second to none and what player would argue with that background . It is more difficult for Sannino what with the language problem and , as far as I am aware, doesn't have much of a professional playing career behind him. Winning matches keeps you in a job whether the players like you or not but hit a losing streak WFC will be like most other clubs and the 'door will be shown'.
How many dressing rooms are harmonious places ? not many , ok if you are in a winning team and keep your place not so good if you are an outsider. Cliques form and unrest follows .It was different for Zola, he had a playing record second to none and what player would argue with that background . It is more difficult for Sannino what with the language problem and , as far as I am aware, doesn't have much of a professional playing career behind him. Winning matches keeps you in a job whether the players like you or not but hit a losing streak WFC will be like most other clubs and the 'door will be shown'. tommy gunn
  • Score: 6

1:50pm Thu 21 Aug 14

mkhornet says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
mkhornet wrote:
We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?
play off final.
And after that??
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: We had "Mr Nice Guy" Gianfranco Zola, all the players loved him because he was unassuming and basically let the players do exactly what they wanted but where did that get us?[/p][/quote]play off final.[/p][/quote]And after that?? mkhornet
  • Score: -2

2:01pm Thu 21 Aug 14

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

longcliffe wrote:
Oh dear is the tin-pot club in turmoil again?

Deeney won't want to be there, probably go for £4m now.
Bore off fatty
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Oh dear is the tin-pot club in turmoil again? Deeney won't want to be there, probably go for £4m now.[/p][/quote]Bore off fatty YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!
  • Score: 19

2:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
Communication is the main problem,although the last Southampton manager managed to get the best out of his players.But it has to be done with some control.Losing your temper with players because of errors can not happen,they are all human,will make mistakes.Ranting and Raving solves nothing.Watch dvd's of the games,make points of what he wants players in certain situations.We need a settled side,a settle side will help players understand each other on the field.If it's a winning side then there is no need to change it.But In SB defence we played 3 games in a week and 1 game with 10 men.He either got away with it at Rotherham or it was a tactical genius..I don't want this merry-go round with players coming here on loan then going out on loan,that is pointless.We need players who are up and ready and better than we have in the 1st team.Nani is creating the problems with too many players which Zola also did not like.If players want 1st team football then they have to show why they should not be out the team.One player who I really feel for is Forestieri..No way should he have been overlooked for Fabbrini.Came on v Bolton,scored and then dropped again.
Don't forget his Devon Loch impression.
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Communication is the main problem,although the last Southampton manager managed to get the best out of his players.But it has to be done with some control.Losing your temper with players because of errors can not happen,they are all human,will make mistakes.Ranting and Raving solves nothing.Watch dvd's of the games,make points of what he wants players in certain situations.We need a settled side,a settle side will help players understand each other on the field.If it's a winning side then there is no need to change it.But In SB defence we played 3 games in a week and 1 game with 10 men.He either got away with it at Rotherham or it was a tactical genius..I don't want this merry-go round with players coming here on loan then going out on loan,that is pointless.We need players who are up and ready and better than we have in the 1st team.Nani is creating the problems with too many players which Zola also did not like.If players want 1st team football then they have to show why they should not be out the team.One player who I really feel for is Forestieri..No way should he have been overlooked for Fabbrini.Came on v Bolton,scored and then dropped again.[/p][/quote]Don't forget his Devon Loch impression. Harry's Bar
  • Score: -3

2:15pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Meadey39 says...

So players are unhappy. Don't like the manager. Who is in charge at the club. The players or the management?
If they are nit happy let the players go.
So players are unhappy. Don't like the manager. Who is in charge at the club. The players or the management? If they are nit happy let the players go. Meadey39
  • Score: 2

2:25pm Thu 21 Aug 14

matthewp says...

If players are not in the starting XI or the match day squad then it is because BS has decided they are needing a rest for another game, not tactically required for that game or not good enough. Get over it! If they are sulking then leave out of the team or move them on cos I want to see players like Ighalo and Dyer who came off the bench on Tuesday with a point to prove and showed passion and commitment. If Vydra is out injured for Saturday then Ighalo has earned a starting place from his performance on Tuesday. Player power needs to be stopped immediately and Sannino needs to pick the players with the right attitude, those that haven't need to shape up or ship out. We are 1 point off the top, talking about replacement managers is disrespectful and premature.
If players are not in the starting XI or the match day squad then it is because BS has decided they are needing a rest for another game, not tactically required for that game or not good enough. Get over it! If they are sulking then leave out of the team or move them on cos I want to see players like Ighalo and Dyer who came off the bench on Tuesday with a point to prove and showed passion and commitment. If Vydra is out injured for Saturday then Ighalo has earned a starting place from his performance on Tuesday. Player power needs to be stopped immediately and Sannino needs to pick the players with the right attitude, those that haven't need to shape up or ship out. We are 1 point off the top, talking about replacement managers is disrespectful and premature. matthewp
  • Score: 17

2:36pm Thu 21 Aug 14

RobboBTC says...

Whoever is in charge it will be increasingly difficult to keep the fringe players happy, especially when they realise after the 1st 5-10 games they are not really getting a look in, using Battochio and Ranegie as examples. As for players kicking up a stink because they are dropped to the bench, in one sense that could be good as it shows passion and that they care, secondly does it keep everyone on their toes? Dyer obviously came on and wanted to prove a point on Tuesday and as a result scored, again good news. Thirdly, if players know they are going to get picked every week regardless of their performance and due to their reputation, is that a good thing? I don't think so.
For me the biggest thing is communication - are Beppe's messages getting lost in translation/not forthcoming, especially regarding dropping players, that is the key. If he clearly explains the situation on a one to one basis surely that would help soften the blow or are the players finding out they have been dropped from the squad (Pudil and Mcgugan) as he is reading the list of players included in that squad just prior to matchday?
The key issue with the current coaching / management set up at the club is that it is common throughout Europe but not in the UK, therefore will we find a manager with experience managing in this country who is happy to simply work with the group of players he is given with limited/no input regarding who joins/leaves the club? Saying that, we do have a fantastic squad that may attract potential high calibre coaches/managers with experience of the english game?
I personally would have liked to have seen Steve Clarke come in when Zola was here, we played great attacking football but struggled defensively and Clarke would surely have helped with that side of the game?
How about a Di Matteo + English colleague combo if things are going to change as expected? I very much doubt it'd happen but I do think we need to have english input on the coaching side of things.
Whoever is in charge it will be increasingly difficult to keep the fringe players happy, especially when they realise after the 1st 5-10 games they are not really getting a look in, using Battochio and Ranegie as examples. As for players kicking up a stink because they are dropped to the bench, in one sense that could be good as it shows passion and that they care, secondly does it keep everyone on their toes? Dyer obviously came on and wanted to prove a point on Tuesday and as a result scored, again good news. Thirdly, if players know they are going to get picked every week regardless of their performance and due to their reputation, is that a good thing? I don't think so. For me the biggest thing is communication - are Beppe's messages getting lost in translation/not forthcoming, especially regarding dropping players, that is the key. If he clearly explains the situation on a one to one basis surely that would help soften the blow or are the players finding out they have been dropped from the squad (Pudil and Mcgugan) as he is reading the list of players included in that squad just prior to matchday? The key issue with the current coaching / management set up at the club is that it is common throughout Europe but not in the UK, therefore will we find a manager with experience managing in this country who is happy to simply work with the group of players he is given with limited/no input regarding who joins/leaves the club? Saying that, we do have a fantastic squad that may attract potential high calibre coaches/managers with experience of the english game? I personally would have liked to have seen Steve Clarke come in when Zola was here, we played great attacking football but struggled defensively and Clarke would surely have helped with that side of the game? How about a Di Matteo + English colleague combo if things are going to change as expected? I very much doubt it'd happen but I do think we need to have english input on the coaching side of things. RobboBTC
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Thu 21 Aug 14

logic100 says...

Sanino! No!
Always believe in your Pozzo,
They got the power to know,
They're indestructible,
Always believe in... Sanino! No!....
Sanino! No! Always believe in your Pozzo, They got the power to know, They're indestructible, Always believe in... Sanino! No!.... logic100
  • Score: -10

2:57pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

RobboBTC wrote:
Whoever is in charge it will be increasingly difficult to keep the fringe players happy, especially when they realise after the 1st 5-10 games they are not really getting a look in, using Battochio and Ranegie as examples. As for players kicking up a stink because they are dropped to the bench, in one sense that could be good as it shows passion and that they care, secondly does it keep everyone on their toes? Dyer obviously came on and wanted to prove a point on Tuesday and as a result scored, again good news. Thirdly, if players know they are going to get picked every week regardless of their performance and due to their reputation, is that a good thing? I don't think so.
For me the biggest thing is communication - are Beppe's messages getting lost in translation/not forthcoming, especially regarding dropping players, that is the key. If he clearly explains the situation on a one to one basis surely that would help soften the blow or are the players finding out they have been dropped from the squad (Pudil and Mcgugan) as he is reading the list of players included in that squad just prior to matchday?
The key issue with the current coaching / management set up at the club is that it is common throughout Europe but not in the UK, therefore will we find a manager with experience managing in this country who is happy to simply work with the group of players he is given with limited/no input regarding who joins/leaves the club? Saying that, we do have a fantastic squad that may attract potential high calibre coaches/managers with experience of the english game?
I personally would have liked to have seen Steve Clarke come in when Zola was here, we played great attacking football but struggled defensively and Clarke would surely have helped with that side of the game?
How about a Di Matteo + English colleague combo if things are going to change as expected? I very much doubt it'd happen but I do think we need to have english input on the coaching side of things.
The point is, per the article, this is a more general issue not just related to players not getting into the first 11.
I'm sure Dyers reaction may be primarily due to that though. He turned down a contract at Leicester to join us, was probably told we were looking to move away from 3-5-2, we start the season with 3-5-2 and when we do switch to 4-4-2 he still doesn't make the 11. Those calling for him to play on Saturday need to explain whether they are suggesting we ditch 3-5-2 which worked so well last Saturday or how they would accommodate him. Maybe we change from 3-5-2 given MV is injured ?
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Whoever is in charge it will be increasingly difficult to keep the fringe players happy, especially when they realise after the 1st 5-10 games they are not really getting a look in, using Battochio and Ranegie as examples. As for players kicking up a stink because they are dropped to the bench, in one sense that could be good as it shows passion and that they care, secondly does it keep everyone on their toes? Dyer obviously came on and wanted to prove a point on Tuesday and as a result scored, again good news. Thirdly, if players know they are going to get picked every week regardless of their performance and due to their reputation, is that a good thing? I don't think so. For me the biggest thing is communication - are Beppe's messages getting lost in translation/not forthcoming, especially regarding dropping players, that is the key. If he clearly explains the situation on a one to one basis surely that would help soften the blow or are the players finding out they have been dropped from the squad (Pudil and Mcgugan) as he is reading the list of players included in that squad just prior to matchday? The key issue with the current coaching / management set up at the club is that it is common throughout Europe but not in the UK, therefore will we find a manager with experience managing in this country who is happy to simply work with the group of players he is given with limited/no input regarding who joins/leaves the club? Saying that, we do have a fantastic squad that may attract potential high calibre coaches/managers with experience of the english game? I personally would have liked to have seen Steve Clarke come in when Zola was here, we played great attacking football but struggled defensively and Clarke would surely have helped with that side of the game? How about a Di Matteo + English colleague combo if things are going to change as expected? I very much doubt it'd happen but I do think we need to have english input on the coaching side of things.[/p][/quote]The point is, per the article, this is a more general issue not just related to players not getting into the first 11. I'm sure Dyers reaction may be primarily due to that though. He turned down a contract at Leicester to join us, was probably told we were looking to move away from 3-5-2, we start the season with 3-5-2 and when we do switch to 4-4-2 he still doesn't make the 11. Those calling for him to play on Saturday need to explain whether they are suggesting we ditch 3-5-2 which worked so well last Saturday or how they would accommodate him. Maybe we change from 3-5-2 given MV is injured ? Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 2

3:03pm Thu 21 Aug 14

AMP4WFC says...

REALLY DON´T NEED THIS MESS NOW.... ADAPT, ADOPT AND IMPROVE.
REALLY DON´T NEED THIS MESS NOW.... ADAPT, ADOPT AND IMPROVE. AMP4WFC
  • Score: 4

3:09pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

One thing is certain. If Beppe does go, which I hope he doesn't, malkyboy won't be coming back just yet....
One thing is certain. If Beppe does go, which I hope he doesn't, malkyboy won't be coming back just yet.... Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 4

3:34pm Thu 21 Aug 14

hornet1 says...

I'm very upset by all this, I want everyone to be happy
I'm very upset by all this, I want everyone to be happy hornet1
  • Score: 10

3:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

WatfordManiac says...

Give the bloke a chance! He has transformed our home form and our away form seems as though it is improving (2 wins from 2). He might have made lots of changes and left big names out of match day squads but our results have justified his reasoning. The last thing the players need is a new manager after 4 games. It would be a waste of a pre-season where managers get to know their players and (dare I say it) bond with them. Players who aren't getting the game time they want need to pull their socks up in training if they are to get a place in Watford's starting line-up. Competition for places isn't a bad thing and only helps players improve individually and the club achieve what is expected of them. Why a change of manager would help at this premature stage in the season is beyond me. Keep the manager, keep the players and if we are going to get promoted this season, let the boss (Beppe Sannino) be the boss.
Luv the horns!
Give the bloke a chance! He has transformed our home form and our away form seems as though it is improving (2 wins from 2). He might have made lots of changes and left big names out of match day squads but our results have justified his reasoning. The last thing the players need is a new manager after 4 games. It would be a waste of a pre-season where managers get to know their players and (dare I say it) bond with them. Players who aren't getting the game time they want need to pull their socks up in training if they are to get a place in Watford's starting line-up. Competition for places isn't a bad thing and only helps players improve individually and the club achieve what is expected of them. Why a change of manager would help at this premature stage in the season is beyond me. Keep the manager, keep the players and if we are going to get promoted this season, let the boss (Beppe Sannino) be the boss. Luv the horns! WatfordManiac
  • Score: 14

3:41pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
EltonForever wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation.

HC
Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge.
Agreed EltonForever, we have had a pretty decent start, we've got a god set of players, a manager that has personality and has got them grinding out results and just because a few of them are perceived to have spat their dummies out, certain individuals think the manager has to go. Everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is if players do not want to play as a team and for Watford, then leave. The manager and the Pozzo's have a common goal and the players either sign up to it and behave, of they leave.

There have always been rumours about players unrest... Marlon King smacking Boothroyd, Zola at the start of last season, Beppe at the end of last season... and they cannot all be bad managers.

If any of the problematic players at Watford are reading this, behave the way professionals should do.

Thank you. Rant over

HC
Shut up
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation. HC[/p][/quote]Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge.[/p][/quote]Agreed EltonForever, we have had a pretty decent start, we've got a god set of players, a manager that has personality and has got them grinding out results and just because a few of them are perceived to have spat their dummies out, certain individuals think the manager has to go. Everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is if players do not want to play as a team and for Watford, then leave. The manager and the Pozzo's have a common goal and the players either sign up to it and behave, of they leave. There have always been rumours about players unrest... Marlon King smacking Boothroyd, Zola at the start of last season, Beppe at the end of last season... and they cannot all be bad managers. If any of the problematic players at Watford are reading this, behave the way professionals should do. Thank you. Rant over HC[/p][/quote]Shut up lutondown
  • Score: -15

3:44pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lutondown says...

buckler wrote:
I usually call it right! Where's wurzel - bristol hornet right now?
Scaring crows, before polishing Bas's chains and quoting text from the Old Testament. Serious nut job that really needs a wash and blow. Down at the welcoming salon
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: I usually call it right! Where's wurzel - bristol hornet right now?[/p][/quote]Scaring crows, before polishing Bas's chains and quoting text from the Old Testament. Serious nut job that really needs a wash and blow. Down at the welcoming salon lutondown
  • Score: -11

3:44pm Thu 21 Aug 14

WatfordManiac says...

buckler wrote:
Great news ..
if that was meant to be sarcasm then you got no idea how to use it
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Great news ..[/p][/quote]if that was meant to be sarcasm then you got no idea how to use it WatfordManiac
  • Score: 4

3:55pm Thu 21 Aug 14

buckler says...

WatfordManiac wrote:
buckler wrote:
Great news ..
if that was meant to be sarcasm then you got no idea how to use it
Clap off ..
[quote][p][bold]WatfordManiac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Great news ..[/p][/quote]if that was meant to be sarcasm then you got no idea how to use it[/p][/quote]Clap off .. buckler
  • Score: -9

3:56pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lutondown says...

I've just sent that Beppe photo for facial profiling. The results just come back.
Fruit cake. Do not approach. Makes no sense as he speaks in tongues.
Bristols (aka ilovbas) the bad boy Dog, is the only other human who understands him
I've just sent that Beppe photo for facial profiling. The results just come back. Fruit cake. Do not approach. Makes no sense as he speaks in tongues. Bristols (aka ilovbas) the bad boy Dog, is the only other human who understands him lutondown
  • Score: -14

4:00pm Thu 21 Aug 14

mkhornet says...

matthewp wrote:
If players are not in the starting XI or the match day squad then it is because BS has decided they are needing a rest for another game, not tactically required for that game or not good enough. Get over it! If they are sulking then leave out of the team or move them on cos I want to see players like Ighalo and Dyer who came off the bench on Tuesday with a point to prove and showed passion and commitment. If Vydra is out injured for Saturday then Ighalo has earned a starting place from his performance on Tuesday. Player power needs to be stopped immediately and Sannino needs to pick the players with the right attitude, those that haven't need to shape up or ship out. We are 1 point off the top, talking about replacement managers is disrespectful and premature.
Absolutely right, nail hit on head!
[quote][p][bold]matthewp[/bold] wrote: If players are not in the starting XI or the match day squad then it is because BS has decided they are needing a rest for another game, not tactically required for that game or not good enough. Get over it! If they are sulking then leave out of the team or move them on cos I want to see players like Ighalo and Dyer who came off the bench on Tuesday with a point to prove and showed passion and commitment. If Vydra is out injured for Saturday then Ighalo has earned a starting place from his performance on Tuesday. Player power needs to be stopped immediately and Sannino needs to pick the players with the right attitude, those that haven't need to shape up or ship out. We are 1 point off the top, talking about replacement managers is disrespectful and premature.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, nail hit on head! mkhornet
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Thu 21 Aug 14

HertsPeter says...

I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while!
I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while! HertsPeter
  • Score: 3

4:40pm Thu 21 Aug 14

duckfan10 says...

There's no smoke without fire so this article does raise concerns. However look at a team like Man City ..... lots of ego's, lots of star players and they can't all play at once.... we need to get the manager and players on the same page...check your ego at the door and do what is best for the club....play for the team not yourself.
There's no smoke without fire so this article does raise concerns. However look at a team like Man City ..... lots of ego's, lots of star players and they can't all play at once.... we need to get the manager and players on the same page...check your ego at the door and do what is best for the club....play for the team not yourself. duckfan10
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Hooligan1 says...

HertsPeter wrote:
I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while!
Well he's gone up in my estimation
[quote][p][bold]HertsPeter[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while![/p][/quote]Well he's gone up in my estimation Hooligan1
  • Score: -17

5:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

logic100 says...

I remember when Tan kicked him out, how Samuels and his colleagues were shouting injustice from the rooftops. But we at Watford knew better, that Moody and Mackay were not to be trusted. Football doesn't want people like this. Get rid, just as we did with Ashton and Bankrupt Baz
I remember when Tan kicked him out, how Samuels and his colleagues were shouting injustice from the rooftops. But we at Watford knew better, that Moody and Mackay were not to be trusted. Football doesn't want people like this. Get rid, just as we did with Ashton and Bankrupt Baz logic100
  • Score: 14

5:08pm Thu 21 Aug 14

andyhooked says...

So many comments means that we care. We are not in control but we have such a big squad and I fear that the W.O. report is going to make those disaffected players even more aggravated.. As Captain Troy needs to lead this dressing room into a better place and so should Abdi with his language skills. Not a great fan yet of Beppe but we do not know what goes on behind the scenes and is it just the W.O. making up a story? Some mourns have to make a story otherwise they are just a plank.
So many comments means that we care. We are not in control but we have such a big squad and I fear that the W.O. report is going to make those disaffected players even more aggravated.. As Captain Troy needs to lead this dressing room into a better place and so should Abdi with his language skills. Not a great fan yet of Beppe but we do not know what goes on behind the scenes and is it just the W.O. making up a story? Some mourns have to make a story otherwise they are just a plank. andyhooked
  • Score: -4

5:23pm Thu 21 Aug 14

AshenGlow says...

My daughter is going to be mascot for the Huddersfield game. Should I ask for my money back if we are "between managers" then? Alternatively, I should be getting her intensive Italian lessons instead. I believe cazzo is Italian for d***head. Oh, actually it's the only word of English he knows.
My daughter is going to be mascot for the Huddersfield game. Should I ask for my money back if we are "between managers" then? Alternatively, I should be getting her intensive Italian lessons instead. I believe cazzo is Italian for d***head. Oh, actually it's the only word of English he knows. AshenGlow
  • Score: -8

5:30pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Billies-special-wheelchair says...

Unfortunately the new owners aren't quite as good with picking managers as the 'old grey silver fox' was
Unfortunately the new owners aren't quite as good with picking managers as the 'old grey silver fox' was Billies-special-wheelchair
  • Score: -7

5:32pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Henry VIII says...

This does not add up to me. If he truly is a 'bully' then we would all be better off in the long run and move on. However, if this is a case of players not liking what they are being told, and player-power then I am behind him fully. Zola was a nice man, too nice for some egos. The truth is, we as fans will not likely know for a while yet. If this is merely a mountain from a mole hill, then what an awful piece of journalism. Much like how the media go after England ahead of any major tournament. I like the way we are shaping up as a squad, as a team. No one player is or will ever be bigger than the club. A strange time.
This does not add up to me. If he truly is a 'bully' then we would all be better off in the long run and move on. However, if this is a case of players not liking what they are being told, and player-power then I am behind him fully. Zola was a nice man, too nice for some egos. The truth is, we as fans will not likely know for a while yet. If this is merely a mountain from a mole hill, then what an awful piece of journalism. Much like how the media go after England ahead of any major tournament. I like the way we are shaping up as a squad, as a team. No one player is or will ever be bigger than the club. A strange time. Henry VIII
  • Score: 12

5:54pm Thu 21 Aug 14

loyalhemel says...

All is forgiven Zola,please come back
All is forgiven Zola,please come back loyalhemel
  • Score: 3

6:14pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

lutondown wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
EltonForever wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation.

HC
Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge.
Agreed EltonForever, we have had a pretty decent start, we've got a god set of players, a manager that has personality and has got them grinding out results and just because a few of them are perceived to have spat their dummies out, certain individuals think the manager has to go. Everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is if players do not want to play as a team and for Watford, then leave. The manager and the Pozzo's have a common goal and the players either sign up to it and behave, of they leave.

There have always been rumours about players unrest... Marlon King smacking Boothroyd, Zola at the start of last season, Beppe at the end of last season... and they cannot all be bad managers.

If any of the problematic players at Watford are reading this, behave the way professionals should do.

Thank you. Rant over

HC
Shut up
I love you man
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: This sounds like an exaggerated non story, or at least I hope it is. Beppe is turning things around. We don't need unhelpful speculation. HC[/p][/quote]Hey Cornetto, you're awake early! Anyway, I agree with your thoughts again. This looks to me to be trial by media, several disruptive players and a small section of fans who will never be happy anyway, no matter who is in charge.[/p][/quote]Agreed EltonForever, we have had a pretty decent start, we've got a god set of players, a manager that has personality and has got them grinding out results and just because a few of them are perceived to have spat their dummies out, certain individuals think the manager has to go. Everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is if players do not want to play as a team and for Watford, then leave. The manager and the Pozzo's have a common goal and the players either sign up to it and behave, of they leave. There have always been rumours about players unrest... Marlon King smacking Boothroyd, Zola at the start of last season, Beppe at the end of last season... and they cannot all be bad managers. If any of the problematic players at Watford are reading this, behave the way professionals should do. Thank you. Rant over HC[/p][/quote]Shut up[/p][/quote]I love you man Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 5

6:28pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Retlas says...

Not entering into the debate about Beppe and the dressing room but I seem to remember that Frank Smith stated that Vydra would return and he was ridiculed by some saying that he knew nothing.
Matej returned and therefore I think he may have the ear of someone in the know!
Whatever the outcome of this saga i suspect the result will eventualy be seen to be in the best interests of WFC.
Just a thought!
Not entering into the debate about Beppe and the dressing room but I seem to remember that Frank Smith stated that Vydra would return and he was ridiculed by some saying that he knew nothing. Matej returned and therefore I think he may have the ear of someone in the know! Whatever the outcome of this saga i suspect the result will eventualy be seen to be in the best interests of WFC. Just a thought! Retlas
  • Score: 15

6:29pm Thu 21 Aug 14

stevemag says...

I cant believe some of the posts on here and social media.

Dopes calling for Boothroyd back, Kenny Jacket, Graham Taylor - even Malky.

If the truth be told yes Beppe almost certainly has a luxury of too many players and with this comes bruised egos on being left out.

Zola was too soft and let them get away with murder. If a player doesn't like being told what to do then he should leave. There is no room for abuse from the manager but in the main footballers are thick and may need a good shake and a bit of old fashioned discipline.

I'm not worred about Abdi and Toszer sitting out against Rotherham - they were almost certainly being rested.

The players should want to play for each other, the fans and at least have some pride in a professional performance.

Get behind the team and good rid to any troublemakers within the camp
I cant believe some of the posts on here and social media. Dopes calling for Boothroyd back, Kenny Jacket, Graham Taylor - even Malky. If the truth be told yes Beppe almost certainly has a luxury of too many players and with this comes bruised egos on being left out. Zola was too soft and let them get away with murder. If a player doesn't like being told what to do then he should leave. There is no room for abuse from the manager but in the main footballers are thick and may need a good shake and a bit of old fashioned discipline. I'm not worred about Abdi and Toszer sitting out against Rotherham - they were almost certainly being rested. The players should want to play for each other, the fans and at least have some pride in a professional performance. Get behind the team and good rid to any troublemakers within the camp stevemag
  • Score: 22

7:00pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lockerbiehornet says...

This is not the WO as some would put it 'stirring' Odds checker has steadily reduced Beppe's odd's on going since way before the WO ran this story, in fact if you look at the history he's being going down in odd's since Monday night so something's happened and it ain't the WO stirring, what have they to gain?

And I know their always right but I don't know many skint bookies!
This is not the WO as some would put it 'stirring' Odds checker has steadily reduced Beppe's odd's on going since way before the WO ran this story, in fact if you look at the history he's being going down in odd's since Monday night so something's happened and it ain't the WO stirring, what have they to gain? And I know their always right but I don't know many skint bookies! lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 9

7:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lockerbiehornet says...

* NOT always right
* NOT always right lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 1

7:47pm Thu 21 Aug 14

jasonwatford says...

would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost......
would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost...... jasonwatford
  • Score: -8

8:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Drewoneone says...

Agree that we have a lot of balanced views for a change on this thread/subject. We, the fans, are taking a grown up attitude towards this serious situation and yet are the ones with no say or power. All the players know how big the squad is - as does the manager. So a player looks at the team sheet for the next game and he's not in the 18. This was always going to be a possibility wasn't it - or am I being a simpleton? My advice is get your head down , try harder, stay off twitter and make the manager pick you with your talent. Think about fans who have no choice but to do just that if things don't go well......or get another job (good luck with that, Sky have got enough pundits)

The players and management need to think about the fans. We have been behind them all the way and the first few games of this season show promise that things could be really good with such a fantastic squad (Norwich game apart). After the near miss of 12/13 and the poor showing last season we all crave the success this club of OURS deserves. The last thing we need is a crisis to send our hopes crashing.

So guys grow up, get real and sort this out. If the Pozzos think Beppe is not the man then let's get a new man in straight away - otherwise get behind him and back him. Don't forget the fans - we deserve better.
Agree that we have a lot of balanced views for a change on this thread/subject. We, the fans, are taking a grown up attitude towards this serious situation and yet are the ones with no say or power. All the players know how big the squad is - as does the manager. So a player looks at the team sheet for the next game and he's not in the 18. This was always going to be a possibility wasn't it - or am I being a simpleton? My advice is get your head down , try harder, stay off twitter and make the manager pick you with your talent. Think about fans who have no choice but to do just that if things don't go well......or get another job (good luck with that, Sky have got enough pundits) The players and management need to think about the fans. We have been behind them all the way and the first few games of this season show promise that things could be really good with such a fantastic squad (Norwich game apart). After the near miss of 12/13 and the poor showing last season we all crave the success this club of OURS deserves. The last thing we need is a crisis to send our hopes crashing. So guys grow up, get real and sort this out. If the Pozzos think Beppe is not the man then let's get a new man in straight away - otherwise get behind him and back him. Don't forget the fans - we deserve better. Drewoneone
  • Score: 16

9:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Chris the Vic says...

Last year the automatic promotion spots were occupied by two teams who played a relatively small number of starters each year.

Two wins out of three and the defeat down to sheer stupidity by a defender who should have known better is no reason to lose a manager.

Beppe came to the team with a chequered history, but he has a squad which could be argued is too large BUT he is the coach not the buyer of players.

His results this season deserves backing and if a few players are unhappy about non selection tough. GFZ was a nice guy and the players rewarded him with some dismal performances. Yeovil 0.3 at home and that day Lloyd Doyley claimed we had a stronger squad than the previous year. Hmmmmmm

I think we back Beppe and those who say Bye Bye Beppe need a reality check rather like some of the squad
Last year the automatic promotion spots were occupied by two teams who played a relatively small number of starters each year. Two wins out of three and the defeat down to sheer stupidity by a defender who should have known better is no reason to lose a manager. Beppe came to the team with a chequered history, but he has a squad which could be argued is too large BUT he is the coach not the buyer of players. His results this season deserves backing and if a few players are unhappy about non selection tough. GFZ was a nice guy and the players rewarded him with some dismal performances. Yeovil 0.3 at home and that day Lloyd Doyley claimed we had a stronger squad than the previous year. Hmmmmmm I think we back Beppe and those who say Bye Bye Beppe need a reality check rather like some of the squad Chris the Vic
  • Score: 10

9:04pm Thu 21 Aug 14

watford for life says...

im sick of so called loyal Watford fans talk in **** we doing well so far this season with a good manager who tells jumped up players how he wants them to play for the team not for them selves I travel every home match and most away matches and no matter what I will support my team we should all be supporting the manager and telling these players to shut up or get out
im sick of so called loyal Watford fans talk in **** we doing well so far this season with a good manager who tells jumped up players how he wants them to play for the team not for them selves I travel every home match and most away matches and no matter what I will support my team we should all be supporting the manager and telling these players to shut up or get out watford for life
  • Score: -1

10:00pm Thu 21 Aug 14

itsafamilyclub!!! says...

I dont want Dyer in the squad on Saturday, he should be sacked on the basis of his behaviour on the pitch after he scored.

Whoever the other players are can then be sorted out one by one and sold or frozen out.

The club need to back Sannino in this situation
I dont want Dyer in the squad on Saturday, he should be sacked on the basis of his behaviour on the pitch after he scored. Whoever the other players are can then be sorted out one by one and sold or frozen out. The club need to back Sannino in this situation itsafamilyclub!!!
  • Score: -12

10:01pm Thu 21 Aug 14

KeithMercer says...

Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge !
Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories.
Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick.
Just my opinion of course COYH
Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge ! Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories. Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick. Just my opinion of course COYH KeithMercer
  • Score: 13

10:09pm Thu 21 Aug 14

tonyevans22 says...

http://www1.skysport
s.com/watch/video/sp
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4/sannino-future-unc
ertain

Well it seems the unrest is hitting the headlines and even at Half time reports of BS saying he wanted out after the 1st half performance..Listen above.
http://www1.skysport s.com/watch/video/sp orts/football/943313 4/sannino-future-unc ertain Well it seems the unrest is hitting the headlines and even at Half time reports of BS saying he wanted out after the 1st half performance..Listen above. tonyevans22
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Thu 21 Aug 14

mickallen57 says...

I like Beppe ,and he has by and large done well . If we are looking at a Clough style rebellion ( at his days at Leeds ) then one of two things must happen . Either cut out the rot ie the dissenting players or get rid of Beppe .
I hope this report is just a storm in a tea cup, but suspect it is not. Sort it out now Mr Pozzo one way or another so our beloved Horns can march on to the Prem.
I like Beppe ,and he has by and large done well . If we are looking at a Clough style rebellion ( at his days at Leeds ) then one of two things must happen . Either cut out the rot ie the dissenting players or get rid of Beppe . I hope this report is just a storm in a tea cup, but suspect it is not. Sort it out now Mr Pozzo one way or another so our beloved Horns can march on to the Prem. mickallen57
  • Score: 5

11:03pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lockerbiehornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost......
Jason, your clearly in the know, pray tell
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost......[/p][/quote]Jason, your clearly in the know, pray tell lockerbiehornet
  • Score: -3

11:42pm Thu 21 Aug 14

David:-) says...

jasonwatford wrote:
would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost......
What did you do Jason, or did you mean to say 'if you knew what I do' ?
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost......[/p][/quote]What did you do Jason, or did you mean to say 'if you knew what I do' ? David:-)
  • Score: 1

11:47pm Thu 21 Aug 14

SuperHorns says...

SMITH OUT
SMITH OUT SuperHorns
  • Score: 0

1:05am Fri 22 Aug 14

rogeruk says...

lutondown wrote:
I've just sent that Beppe photo for facial profiling. The results just come back.
Fruit cake. Do not approach. Makes no sense as he speaks in tongues.
Bristols (aka ilovbas) the bad boy Dog, is the only other human who understands him
This is very funny, a bit of levity in this situation is not a bad thing.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: I've just sent that Beppe photo for facial profiling. The results just come back. Fruit cake. Do not approach. Makes no sense as he speaks in tongues. Bristols (aka ilovbas) the bad boy Dog, is the only other human who understands him[/p][/quote]This is very funny, a bit of levity in this situation is not a bad thing. rogeruk
  • Score: 0

5:14am Fri 22 Aug 14

Traceyhornet says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge !
Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories.
Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick.
Just my opinion of course COYH
Completely agree. Good post.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge ! Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories. Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick. Just my opinion of course COYH[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Good post. Traceyhornet
  • Score: 4

5:25am Fri 22 Aug 14

mellow yellow says...

I know anyone can edit Wikipedia pages, but to add fuel to the fire Galli's page has him as Watford manager as of around six hours ago.
I know anyone can edit Wikipedia pages, but to add fuel to the fire Galli's page has him as Watford manager as of around six hours ago. mellow yellow
  • Score: 2

6:08am Fri 22 Aug 14

Watfordwes says...

logic100 wrote:
Sanino! No!
Always believe in your Pozzo,
They got the power to know,
They're indestructible,
Always believe in... Sanino! No!....
You ran that through in your head, typed it, read it back to yourself and still pressed send????
[quote][p][bold]logic100[/bold] wrote: Sanino! No! Always believe in your Pozzo, They got the power to know, They're indestructible, Always believe in... Sanino! No!....[/p][/quote]You ran that through in your head, typed it, read it back to yourself and still pressed send???? Watfordwes
  • Score: 10

6:30am Fri 22 Aug 14

WatfordManiac says...

buckler wrote:
WatfordManiac wrote:
buckler wrote:
Great news ..
if that was meant to be sarcasm then you got no idea how to use it
Clap off ..
You're a messed up sod!
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordManiac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Great news ..[/p][/quote]if that was meant to be sarcasm then you got no idea how to use it[/p][/quote]Clap off ..[/p][/quote]You're a messed up sod! WatfordManiac
  • Score: -2

8:41am Fri 22 Aug 14

Glenn Roeder says...

itsafamilyclub!!! wrote:
I dont want Dyer in the squad on Saturday, he should be sacked on the basis of his behaviour on the pitch after he scored.

Whoever the other players are can then be sorted out one by one and sold or frozen out.

The club need to back Sannino in this situation
I agree that bad apples need to be dealt like Alex Ferguson would have done.

I don't think that Dyer's reaction when he scored was that bad though, just him showing passion and sporting pride that he wants to be in the team and score goals (he is our leading scorer this season).

He could easily have picked up a pay cheque as a premiership squad player but instead wants to be playing, which is fair enough as he is 32.

I want Sannino to be tough as I agree with others that Zola came across as too much off a nice guy. But also i want players who have got a bit of passion and feel frustrated when they are not playing. They need that certain amount of arrogance about them as you need that to excel as a player.
[quote][p][bold]itsafamilyclub!!![/bold] wrote: I dont want Dyer in the squad on Saturday, he should be sacked on the basis of his behaviour on the pitch after he scored. Whoever the other players are can then be sorted out one by one and sold or frozen out. The club need to back Sannino in this situation[/p][/quote]I agree that bad apples need to be dealt like Alex Ferguson would have done. I don't think that Dyer's reaction when he scored was that bad though, just him showing passion and sporting pride that he wants to be in the team and score goals (he is our leading scorer this season). He could easily have picked up a pay cheque as a premiership squad player but instead wants to be playing, which is fair enough as he is 32. I want Sannino to be tough as I agree with others that Zola came across as too much off a nice guy. But also i want players who have got a bit of passion and feel frustrated when they are not playing. They need that certain amount of arrogance about them as you need that to excel as a player. Glenn Roeder
  • Score: 3

8:46am Fri 22 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

Traceyhornet wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge !
Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories.
Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick.
Just my opinion of course COYH
Completely agree. Good post.
......apart from the fact we've won three of our four games, not conceding a goal when we've had eleven players on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]Traceyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge ! Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories. Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick. Just my opinion of course COYH[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Good post.[/p][/quote]......apart from the fact we've won three of our four games, not conceding a goal when we've had eleven players on the pitch. Harry's Bar
  • Score: -1

10:14am Fri 22 Aug 14

#luvreadingthesamemuppetscommentingasexperts says...

David:-) wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost......
What did you do Jason, or did you mean to say 'if you knew what I do' ?
He's obviously a phantom tooth tickler....... each to there own I suppose.....
Why on earth he's just 'come out' on here though is anybodys guess, maybe he's giving up the tickling?........
[quote][p][bold]David:-)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: would make your teeth itch if you knew what I did !!! Once again players think they can rule the roost......[/p][/quote]What did you do Jason, or did you mean to say 'if you knew what I do' ?[/p][/quote]He's obviously a phantom tooth tickler....... each to there own I suppose..... Why on earth he's just 'come out' on here though is anybodys guess, maybe he's giving up the tickling?........ #luvreadingthesamemuppetscommentingasexperts
  • Score: 1

3:23pm Fri 22 Aug 14

HertsPeter says...

Hooligan1 wrote:
HertsPeter wrote:
I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while!
Well he's gone up in my estimation
Enlighten me - tell me why he's gone up in your estimation
[quote][p][bold]Hooligan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HertsPeter[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while![/p][/quote]Well he's gone up in my estimation[/p][/quote]Enlighten me - tell me why he's gone up in your estimation HertsPeter
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Fri 22 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Harry you are a tool. The motive is to keep us up to speed with news.
Perhaps they should leave all the pages blank to keep you happy.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Harry you are a tool. The motive is to keep us up to speed with news. Perhaps they should leave all the pages blank to keep you happy. lutondown
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

lutondown wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Harry you are a tool. The motive is to keep us up to speed with news.
Perhaps they should leave all the pages blank to keep you happy.
I want to be kept up to speed with news but I sense there's more than simply news reporting going on here. Maybe somebody trying to make a name for himself.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Harry you are a tool. The motive is to keep us up to speed with news. Perhaps they should leave all the pages blank to keep you happy.[/p][/quote]I want to be kept up to speed with news but I sense there's more than simply news reporting going on here. Maybe somebody trying to make a name for himself. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 1

4:05pm Fri 22 Aug 14

northofwatfordpete says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge !
Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories.
Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick.
Just my opinion of course COYH
Our performances are not good enough with the squad we have - the results look promising but the stats say otherwise. From what Keith Mercer and others say I suspect that we don't have the right leadership at present.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Sorry but we are going nowhere with this guy in charge ! Since he has been at the Vic you name me 5 convincing Watford victories. Last season a month to go we still had a chance of play offs , what happened ? we lost every game culminating in an embarrassing defeat at home to Huddersfield. We then have the fall out with the players about the holidays and he has to backdown and lose face again. I was at Stevenage last week and have never seen the likes of Fessi and others look so miserable and unmotivated . Beppe was as usual going ballistic on the sidelines and berating Tamas in particular on every occasion. It was quite obvious then that the players were not listening to him and had little respect for him. Sad I know and perhaps some players need a kick up the backside but unfortunately BS is not the man to do it. Says the right things that the fans want to hear, but seriously ask yourself the question , Do you think this guy will get us promotion with these players at his disposal this season ?. My answer is no chance, so sorry Beppe thanks for coming over and giving it your best shot, but we need to move on and move on quick. Just my opinion of course COYH[/p][/quote]Our performances are not good enough with the squad we have - the results look promising but the stats say otherwise. From what Keith Mercer and others say I suspect that we don't have the right leadership at present. northofwatfordpete
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Fri 22 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

HertsPeter wrote:
Hooligan1 wrote:
HertsPeter wrote:
I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while!
Well he's gone up in my estimation
Enlighten me - tell me why he's gone up in your estimation
Yes I'm in the queue for an answer to that
[quote][p][bold]HertsPeter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hooligan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HertsPeter[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't have welcomed Malky's return in any case, but if the published alleged texts are proven to have been sent by him, he won't be allowed to run a bath let alone a football team, at least for a while![/p][/quote]Well he's gone up in my estimation[/p][/quote]Enlighten me - tell me why he's gone up in your estimation[/p][/quote]Yes I'm in the queue for an answer to that JonBoy
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Fri 22 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.
Harry you are a tool. The motive is to keep us up to speed with news.
Perhaps they should leave all the pages blank to keep you happy.
I want to be kept up to speed with news but I sense there's more than simply news reporting going on here. Maybe somebody trying to make a name for himself.
Or maybe just maybe Harryo. Just a young reporter doing his job?
Wtf don't you and your ilk just give him a break?
I've seen him criticised for poor grammar, speculating, not digging deep enough and not being blond with huge jugs.
If anyone has an agenda it's you and your tubby mate Mickey Quinn
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If I was Beppe I would refuse Frank Smith any more interviews. The local paper should support the local club, not undermine it. This and the never ending articles relating to a Deeney transfer make you wonder what the Watford Observer's motives are.[/p][/quote]Harry you are a tool. The motive is to keep us up to speed with news. Perhaps they should leave all the pages blank to keep you happy.[/p][/quote]I want to be kept up to speed with news but I sense there's more than simply news reporting going on here. Maybe somebody trying to make a name for himself.[/p][/quote]Or maybe just maybe Harryo. Just a young reporter doing his job? Wtf don't you and your ilk just give him a break? I've seen him criticised for poor grammar, speculating, not digging deep enough and not being blond with huge jugs. If anyone has an agenda it's you and your tubby mate Mickey Quinn lutondown
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Hampshire hornet says...

Just hurry up and remove Coco, Frank, you are doing a great job, but be careful, you are not allowed an opinion which may cause friction or even, in some cases be able to state facts.
People need to start reading between the lines! Frank cannot give all the detail here, he obviously has a source (or more) that he will not expose, and why should he?
I could go off and try to be clever by writing a poem that will quite 'Frankly' be a pile of **** and await praise from my minions, but I won't as I'm not that sort of attention seeking whore, or I could try and pick a verbal fight with Boosey, Lutondown. SA And the other sense writing posters on here but I wont as I am no keyboard warrior ..
Please Watford fc just do the right thing here .. And quickly as the season may run away and we could lose some key players due to the current regime under the porter
Just hurry up and remove Coco, Frank, you are doing a great job, but be careful, you are not allowed an opinion which may cause friction or even, in some cases be able to state facts. People need to start reading between the lines! Frank cannot give all the detail here, he obviously has a source (or more) that he will not expose, and why should he? I could go off and try to be clever by writing a poem that will quite 'Frankly' be a pile of **** and await praise from my minions, but I won't as I'm not that sort of attention seeking whore, or I could try and pick a verbal fight with Boosey, Lutondown. SA And the other sense writing posters on here but I wont as I am no keyboard warrior .. Please Watford fc just do the right thing here .. And quickly as the season may run away and we could lose some key players due to the current regime under the porter Hampshire hornet
  • Score: 1

3:23am Mon 25 Aug 14

uppereastsidehornet says...

Frank Smith, you are a tool.
Frank Smith, you are a tool. uppereastsidehornet
  • Score: -3

3:55pm Tue 26 Aug 14

grahamburton@thecartridgefamily.co.uk says...

Further to the supposed Beppe reign of terror: Calm down dears, we're 2nd and looking good again. So, we've got a strong manager with a focused and winning mind set, owners that are committed that have multi-club international experience and, resources. The squad's not bad either (and hopefully not breaking the bank) - quality and quantity. Let the cream rise to the top, the average move on and the chaff to the wind. All participants should have their rewards. However, we need consistency. I'm a devoted Montalbano fan and thinking we should run with the Italian no-nonsense approach and see what happens. Bravo Beppe. Fans, remember Watford, a tale of the unexpected? Another successful GT era would make me happy.
Further to the supposed Beppe reign of terror: Calm down dears, we're 2nd and looking good again. So, we've got a strong manager with a focused and winning mind set, owners that are committed that have multi-club international experience and, resources. The squad's not bad either (and hopefully not breaking the bank) - quality and quantity. Let the cream rise to the top, the average move on and the chaff to the wind. All participants should have their rewards. However, we need consistency. I'm a devoted Montalbano fan and thinking we should run with the Italian no-nonsense approach and see what happens. Bravo Beppe. Fans, remember Watford, a tale of the unexpected? Another successful GT era would make me happy. grahamburton@thecartridgefamily.co.uk
  • Score: 2

9:49am Mon 1 Sep 14

demerit says...

Guy Bov wrote:
Ah bless, poor players who are upset because not guaranteed a place in the team

Three wins out of four should be Beppe's answer
If he's not careful, he'll have their dads to answer to....
[quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: Ah bless, poor players who are upset because not guaranteed a place in the team Three wins out of four should be Beppe's answer[/p][/quote]If he's not careful, he'll have their dads to answer to.... demerit
  • Score: 0

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