'We should support Loach more' (From Watford Observer)

Yes but Alec...you were a decent keeper, consistent stopper, commanding in the air, the defenders in front of you knew where you would be and had confidence in you. Scott is....none of those things. Sorry but that's the reality and the fact that this article has been written at all says it all really.

"The fact that the article has been written at all says it all really ".

Correct, but it's actually more a reflection on our supporters than our young keeper. So let's support him for as long as he's wearing the jersey. Clap, Clap, Clap!

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Yes but Alec...you were a decent keeper, consistent stopper, commanding in the air, the defenders in front of you knew where you would be and had confidence in you. Scott is....none of those things. Sorry but that's the reality and the fact that this article has been written at all says it all really.

Congratulations on completely missing Alec's point. He started playing for us when he was in his 30s, Scott is just 23. All he's asking for is the morons to get off his case and show some patience as young players will make mistakes as they are learning. Don't worry though, remember to give him a big old boo next time you're at a game.

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Yes but Alec...you were a decent keeper, consistent stopper, commanding in the air, the defenders in front of you knew where you would be and had confidence in you. Scott is....none of those things. Sorry but that's the reality and the fact that this article has been written at all says it all really.

Amazing. The subtext is not just support Scott, but support the team too. And you pop your head out and show what a moron you are, not a supporter. People like you will drive promising players out of the club with that attitude.

The bigger issue is not Loachy but whether our goalkeepers are actually progressing under Chamberlain. Nice guy yes but good coach, I'm not too sure.

I think Scott's definitely in need of improving. As well as the mistakes mentioned, he doesn't communicate well with his defenders at times.
I also think we have to remember he's only 23 though.
Re the first comment about AC being so much better, wasn't he a fair bit older when he joined us?
Plus, he's a decent guy, AC, and I'm willing to accept his opinion at the moment.
COYH!

23 is very young in GK terms and it's very rare to have finished artical at a young age. David James was not a good keeper at Loaches age and had alot to learn. Good GK only get there with experience. He does make mistake but we the fans should cut him some slack. I respected AC as a GK and now GK coach and his opinion is accurate in my view

They did ask for Scott's comments... but he unfortunately dropped the Mic.

Hornet23 wrote:

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Yes but Alec...you were a decent keeper, consistent stopper, commanding in the air, the defenders in front of you knew where you would be and had confidence in you. Scott is....none of those things. Sorry but that's the reality and the fact that this article has been written at all says it all really.

Congratulations on completely missing Alec's point. He started playing for us when he was in his 30s, Scott is just 23. All he's asking for is the morons to get off his case and show some patience as young players will make mistakes as they are learning. Don't worry though, remember to give him a big old boo next time you're at a game.

Hornet 23 !! who is booing ? i never heard anyone boo Scott Loach ! and why is it that anyone who dares to say they are not pleased with everything that is going on at our club on and off the field you label a moron !! . just who do you think you are Hornet 23 ?? we all have our opinions, and just because some our different to yours it does not make us "morons". So get yourself up to Forest ! and be careful who you choose to insult !!.

And that goes for you too "noodlehornet"

watfordborn31 wrote:
The bigger issue is not Loachy but whether our goalkeepers are actually progressing under Chamberlain. Nice guy yes but good coach, I'm not too sure.

Sir Alec trusted AC with Ben Foster, who went on to win an England cap, so I'm happy to back his judgement on AC's coaching ability.

The point that Alec is making is that GKs more than anyone thrive on confidence, and the fans' attitude can have a material effect on that.

So let's all get behind Loachy, and whoever else pulls on a Watford shirt. It's in all our interest. COYH!

kiethMercer,
shut up! When dont we here negetive comments about loach and the team!? we lose a match, sack the manager! keeper makes a mistake, get rid of Loach! its a joke, if only the other idiots like your self were as vocal on here as you were at the games we might stand a chance! I would rather have our 1000 away supporters who are vocal and positive then 12,000 negetive **** every week!

I'd never be a goalie. You're good or bad. Troy Deeney has probably missed and cost us more points this season than Loach. Loach has very good instant reactions when making saves, however when he has time to dwell on crosses, long shots and watching the ball bounce around in the area, he makes the wrong decisions. I've never heard anyone boo him and I think Alec is being a bit silly bringing attention to what is his problem ultimately. I sure hope he's not implying that we are part of the reason Scott keeps making mistakes. Maybe he wants us to patronise him and cheer and clap everytime he makes the simpliest of catches or maybe we should just have a news blackout on anything to do with Scott Loach. When your not playing well you get dropped...simple.

Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

So someone dare voice their opinion, and you clapping morons try to shout them down
This is a site to provoke opinion (your say) and we all view things differently.
I voice mine at games and other than a few insidious glances I'm never challenged. Say something out of sync here and your attacked left right and
centre.
Chamberlain has a vested interest in Loach, he is his charge, so where Loach may be failing So is Alex.

I heard when at a fans forum that AC reads this board and is horrified with the negativity. It is a fair guess that maybe the players read too and I can only imagine what it does for their confidence (if being slated). Yes we all have our opinions - mine is that Scott is young and definitely NOT the finished article BUT he is our player so I support him.

mark_123 wrote:
kiethMercer,
shut up! When dont we here negetive comments about loach and the team!? we lose a match, sack the manager! keeper makes a mistake, get rid of Loach! its a joke, if only the other idiots like your self were as vocal on here as you were at the games we might stand a chance! I would rather have our 1000 away supporters who are vocal and positive then 12,000 negetive **** every week!

mark_123,keep your knickers on !! and stop being so angry, with all your insults and abuse.I can assure you I get right behind the Horns at the match!!.
But when the game is over I will have my say whether you like it or not .

mark_123 wrote:
kiethMercer,
shut up! When dont we here negetive comments about loach and the team!? we lose a match, sack the manager! keeper makes a mistake, get rid of Loach! its a joke, if only the other idiots like your self were as vocal on here as you were at the games we might stand a chance! I would rather have our 1000 away supporters who are vocal and positive then 12,000 negetive **** every week!

Hey son you need to stop tripping over you tongue and think about what you write
It might then be readable, if still nonsensical
Butterfly collector

What a load of drivel! Next there will be accusations of bullying. Alex sorry but your doing a crap job with a crap keeper! Best thing is for you both to move on if you can't take a very small amount of critism? Until I see someone between the sticks that can do the job I will not support a clown! My choice, my decision? Bring it on?

Bush Hornet wrote:
Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

Sorry have you heard the abuse the likes of Terry, Suarez and Ferdinand get at grounds where real men go to football! These things happen and a having a go at little Scotty really is nothing! People should see what goes on else where and grow up!

buckler wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

Sorry have you heard the abuse the likes of Terry, Suarez and Ferdinand get at grounds where real men go to football! These things happen and a having a go at little Scotty really is nothing! People should see what goes on else where and grow up!

The people you mention get abuse from OPPOSING fans, not THEIR OWN fans.

That is the difference.

luther blissett wrote:

buckler wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

Sorry have you heard the abuse the likes of Terry, Suarez and Ferdinand get at grounds where real men go to football! These things happen and a having a go at little Scotty really is nothing! People should see what goes on else where and grow up!

The people you mention get abuse from OPPOSING fans, not THEIR OWN fans.

That is the difference.

No Loofer
But they do beg to disagree among themselves such is life.
The issue here is the complete disrespect for others views
Their are am element here that come across as hysterical

Eliza Radleys

goldanboy wrote:
I'd never be a goalie. You're good or bad. Troy Deeney has probably missed and cost us more points this season than Loach. Loach has very good instant reactions when making saves, however when he has time to dwell on crosses, long shots and watching the ball bounce around in the area, he makes the wrong decisions. I've never heard anyone boo him and I think Alec is being a bit silly bringing attention to what is his problem ultimately. I sure hope he's not implying that we are part of the reason Scott keeps making mistakes. Maybe he wants us to patronise him and cheer and clap everytime he makes the simpliest of catches or maybe we should just have a news blackout on anything to do with Scott Loach. When your not playing well you get dropped...simple.

Excellent post. Bottom line is that Loach is not good enough. Fact.

lutondown wrote:

luther blissett wrote:

buckler wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

Sorry have you heard the abuse the likes of Terry, Suarez and Ferdinand get at grounds where real men go to football! These things happen and a having a go at little Scotty really is nothing! People should see what goes on else where and grow up!

The people you mention get abuse from OPPOSING fans, not THEIR OWN fans.

That is the difference.

No Loofer
But they do beg to disagree among themselves such is life.
The issue here is the complete disrespect for others views
Their are am element here that come across as hysterical

Eliza Radleys

The article has nothing to do with any sort of disrespect of others views, so I personally think you (and others to be fair) are making it into something.

I have no problem with people being disappointed with some of Loach's displays. I have also been exasperated by him this season. But to turn every article into Loach bashing does seem excessive.

ANOTHER 25 YARD SHT GOES PASSED LOACH....WAKE UP GUYS LOACH IS NOT GOOD ..IN FACT HE IS **** POOR

1 down already and guess what? Sounds like Billy the Clown has screwed up again! Useless ****!

luther blissett wrote:

lutondown wrote:

luther blissett wrote:

buckler wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

Sorry have you heard the abuse the likes of Terry, Suarez and Ferdinand get at grounds where real men go to football! These things happen and a having a go at little Scotty really is nothing! People should see what goes on else where and grow up!

The people you mention get abuse from OPPOSING fans, not THEIR OWN fans.

That is the difference.

No Loofer
But they do beg to disagree among themselves such is life.
The issue here is the complete disrespect for others views
Their are am element here that come across as hysterical

Eliza Radleys

The article has nothing to do with any sort of disrespect of others views, so I personally think you (and others to be fair) are making it into something.

I have no problem with people being disappointed with some of Loach's displays. I have also been exasperated by him this season. But to turn every article into Loach bashing does seem excessive.

Luther
Try reading Mark 123 again, look at his illiterate choice of abuse and tell me where I've tried to start something
Why is it ok for one side to abuse and the other slammed for answering?
And to the guy who accused Troy of being at more fault than Loach...today's goals....I rest my case

lutondown wrote:

luther blissett wrote:

lutondown wrote:

luther blissett wrote:

buckler wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

Sorry have you heard the abuse the likes of Terry, Suarez and Ferdinand get at grounds where real men go to football! These things happen and a having a go at little Scotty really is nothing! People should see what goes on else where and grow up!

The people you mention get abuse from OPPOSING fans, not THEIR OWN fans.

That is the difference.

No Loofer
But they do beg to disagree among themselves such is life.
The issue here is the complete disrespect for others views
Their are am element here that come across as hysterical

Eliza Radleys

The article has nothing to do with any sort of disrespect of others views, so I personally think you (and others to be fair) are making it into something.

I have no problem with people being disappointed with some of Loach's displays. I have also been exasperated by him this season. But to turn every article into Loach bashing does seem excessive.

Luther
Try reading Mark 123 again, look at his illiterate choice of abuse and tell me where I've tried to start something
Why is it ok for one side to abuse and the other slammed for answering?
And to the guy who accused Troy of being at more fault than Loach...today's goals....I rest my case

What case? Without getting into a slanging match over Troy Deeney, we would have gained another 2 points had he not put that effort in the second half into the County net.

goldanboy wrote:

lutondown wrote:

luther blissett wrote:

lutondown wrote:

luther blissett wrote:

buckler wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
Alec, I feel your despair. Other clubs have d1cks as fans too. But sadly many of ours on this forum don't realise how unhelpful they're being. Some of them have woken up to it but some still prefer the weird high they get from undermining our players.

Sorry have you heard the abuse the likes of Terry, Suarez and Ferdinand get at grounds where real men go to football! These things happen and a having a go at little Scotty really is nothing! People should see what goes on else where and grow up!

The people you mention get abuse from OPPOSING fans, not THEIR OWN fans.

That is the difference.

No Loofer
But they do beg to disagree among themselves such is life.
The issue here is the complete disrespect for others views
Their are am element here that come across as hysterical

Eliza Radleys

The article has nothing to do with any sort of disrespect of others views, so I personally think you (and others to be fair) are making it into something.

I have no problem with people being disappointed with some of Loach's displays. I have also been exasperated by him this season. But to turn every article into Loach bashing does seem excessive.

Luther
Try reading Mark 123 again, look at his illiterate choice of abuse and tell me where I've tried to start something
Why is it ok for one side to abuse and the other slammed for answering?
And to the guy who accused Troy of being at more fault than Loach...today's goals....I rest my case

What case? Without getting into a slanging match over Troy Deeney, we would have gained another 2 points had he not put that effort in the second half into the County net.

Troy scored Loach beaten from 24 yards again
If Troy scored 1 from 2 chances, how can you blame him?
Nice try Mr Loach senior!
But double standards can't criticise Scotty but ok for Deeney? Mmm

jasonwatford wrote:
ANOTHER 25 YARD SHT GOES PASSED LOACH....WAKE UP GUYS LOACH IS NOT GOOD ..IN FACT HE IS **** POOR

6 people or more in front of him,Unsighted,and by all accounts took a deflection on the way,and as the coms said yet again the defence stood off and did not close down.The Defence today played very deep even though Dyche was telling them all game to push up,and when we did,we scored,then went back to invite more pressure by playing very deep against a side that had no confidence..Get off loach's back and weigh up why they scored!!!

tony loach wake up! Even Dyche said she should have done better?

Luther
Try reading Mark 123 again, look at his illiterate choice of abuse and tell me where I've tried to start something
Why is it ok for one side to abuse and the other slammed for answering?
And to the guy who accused Troy of being at more fault than Loach...today's goals....I rest my case

Alec, Watford fans are patient but we're not stupid either! The weaknesses, particuarly from long range shots, have been there for all to see for some time. If a young, promising keeper has a few problems consistently do you a). Keep playing him to make the same mistakes, lose confidence and alienate the crowd? or b). Take him out of the firing line for a while to put things right, regain his form and bring in (maybe on loan) an EXPERIENCED keeper for a while? Not exactly rocket science is it?

Crikey in my first post i sugest that Loach should be dropped , now i'm apparentley telling people they can't criticise Loach...
Listen you muppets, all I'm sayimg is
Troy has made more mistakes in front of goal than Scott has in goal. look when Troy misses from 5 yards out we laugh or at worst groan. Scott screws up and.....well just read all of the above from 4.45pm. I'm not defending Scott, just putting some perspective on it.

Alec you were a very important part of our two play off final wins and many other successes, you have earned your status as a watford legend IMO.! but you have always been a gentleman and very humble

Perhaps Scot could take a leaf out of his coach's book

Scot has lots of potential but he has an arrogance that is not becoming of his current performances

goldanboy wrote:
Crikey in my first post i sugest that Loach should be dropped , now i'm apparentley telling people they can't criticise Loach...
Listen you muppets, all I'm sayimg is
Troy has made more mistakes in front of goal than Scott has in goal. look when Troy misses from 5 yards out we laugh or at worst groan. Scott screws up and.....well just read all of the above from 4.45pm. I'm not defending Scott, just putting some perspective on it.

Well said point but despite this facts suckler and his sidekick muttondown will not care, because they are genius and know better than Alec, Sean, Baz and everyone who has a different opinion from theirs. They even have cling on's to their beliefs who follow like sheep regardless. Muklers quote on here at 3.30pm say's it all comment before you know the facts and don't look at the whole picture. Scott is on a hiding to nowhere with so called supporters like these on his back regardless of how he plays.

corbindallas wrote:

goldanboy wrote:
Crikey in my first post i sugest that Loach should be dropped , now i'm apparentley telling people they can't criticise Loach...
Listen you muppets, all I'm sayimg is
Troy has made more mistakes in front of goal than Scott has in goal. look when Troy misses from 5 yards out we laugh or at worst groan. Scott screws up and.....well just read all of the above from 4.45pm. I'm not defending Scott, just putting some perspective on it.

Well said point but despite this facts suckler and his sidekick muttondown will not care, because they are genius and know better than Alec, Sean, Baz and everyone who has a different opinion from theirs. They even have cling on's to their beliefs who follow like sheep regardless. Muklers quote on here at 3.30pm say's it all comment before you know the facts and don't look at the whole picture. Scott is on a hiding to nowhere with so called supporters like these on his back regardless of how he plays.

Ah the pot calls the kettle.....
Your a one Cornybullcrapius

Hornet23 wrote:

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Yes but Alec...you were a decent keeper, consistent stopper, commanding in the air, the defenders in front of you knew where you would be and had confidence in you. Scott is....none of those things. Sorry but that's the reality and the fact that this article has been written at all says it all really.

Congratulations on completely missing Alec's point. He started playing for us when he was in his 30s, Scott is just 23. All he's asking for is the morons to get off his case and show some patience as young players will make mistakes as they are learning. Don't worry though, remember to give him a big old boo next time you're at a game.

Who are you to call people morons for expressing a different opinion to you. That makes you a fascist - ie somebody who wants to ban everybody;'s else opinion but yours.

If you take a straw poll I am betting the vast majority have serious concerns about Loach.

Everybody makes mistakes but his mistakes are wide open canyons absolute howlers and too many.

With Hodson, Doyley, Marriapa, Talor and Nosworthy we have now a good fence with four of them with PL experience.

Can anybody do the stats and say how many points have been lost down to Loach's howlers. Don't come back about his saves that is what he is paid to do.

Finally David de Gea at man utd is 21, he has made mistakes and is under enormous pressure at the top of the PL. His last two performances have been outstanding against Chelsea and Liverpool included two wonder saves especially the Chelsea save , he won his team four points in two games with those two saves.

As for Alex i fear there is an element of self interest in his comments.

We should all support Loach until the end of the season howlers and all it is in our interest to do so. SD can make a decision ref his future at the end of the season in my view Loach has to make a massive effort to turn around the majority of fans, a bit more humility would help as well.

excellent post Rogeruk

Finally David de Gea at man utd is 21, he has made mistakes and is under enormous pressure at the top of the PL. His last two performances have been outstanding against Chelsea and Liverpool included two wonder saves especially the Chelsea save , he won his team four points in two games with those two saves.




RogerUK, but as you said isn't saving what he paid to do ?

But yes he should be afforded more support my only concern is that he has now played soem 220 1st team games and seems to be going backwards.

A strange article Alec that manages to miss the real point.

Scottie does need support, he is young and has to learn.

I have been very critical of his attitude. It is all very well to go around hugging players before the game to demonstrate team spirit but when a mistake occurs, especially his own he has always been quick to blame others especially LH. You can identify traits of a bully in him and yet at times he appears reluctant to use his size for crosses etc.

In the past I have blamed two people for this him and you. You are a legend as a keeper but as a mentor to Scott not so sure. Since his under 21s selection and getting into the full squad for almost two seasons he has talked the talk but not walked the walk.

However since two things occurred, firstly when Hoggy had a real go at him and then when he messed up against Spurs, I saw signs of humility from Scott perhaps indicating he now knows he has to learn by training harder, being braver and less vocal.

We should of course back anyone like that but why as his mentor has it taken you so long to get the message through.

Alec your comments are heard but look in a mirror first next time and really ask yourself whether you could not have done so much better for the young lad.

buckler wrote:
tony loach wake up! Even Dyche said she should have done better?

Did you see the goal? The swerved away from loach which gave him no chance,and did you see the other 3 saves he made to earn us a point?

tonyevans22 wrote:

buckler wrote:
tony loach wake up! Even Dyche said she should have done better?

Did you see the goal? The swerved away from loach which gave him no chance,and did you see the other 3 saves he made to earn us a point?

Think there's a little man crush going on here? Do you see Scott on your bedroom walls and do you parade round in the purple shirt and gloves and do dives when no ones around? TE número UNO !

I am not an expert in the matter but I have been a regular goalkeeper for a couple of teams. All I would like to say is that although SL has over 200 appearances in the shirt, he is still only 23. He is still learning the trade and you could state this is obvious due to the errors he makes.

There are a number of arguments both for and against his position. Firstly his age which has been mentioned numerous times. He is a good goalkeeper. If you read other forums, not just WFC ones but other Championship teams suppoerters all rate him and he would be one of the first players they want in their team. That must say something about the boy.

Another argument could be in AC's training. He (AC) has been with Scott for a number of years now. If you look at other sports, tennis is a great example, these players change their coaches on a (semi) regular basis. It could be argued that AC has taken Scott as far as he can and maybe another coach with new ideas and new impetus could help.

I am by no way a Scott Loach knocker, because as I say I have played his position and it is a lonely old place when you make a mistake. As already mentioned on here, when TD or MS used to miss golden opportunities we just shake our heads but unfortunately for goalkeepers, as always the way, you get screwed.

Sorry to go on but I wanted to try and put a balanced argument across for the position. Scott will always have my support whilst he wears the Watford shirt.
COYH's.

nigelcallaghansleftb
oot wrote:
I am not an expert in the matter but I have been a regular goalkeeper for a couple of teams. All I would like to say is that although SL has over 200 appearances in the shirt, he is still only 23. He is still learning the trade and you could state this is obvious due to the errors he makes. There are a number of arguments both for and against his position. Firstly his age which has been mentioned numerous times. He is a good goalkeeper. If you read other forums, not just WFC ones but other Championship teams suppoerters all rate him and he would be one of the first players they want in their team. That must say something about the boy. Another argument could be in AC's training. He (AC) has been with Scott for a number of years now. If you look at other sports, tennis is a great example, these players change their coaches on a (semi) regular basis. It could be argued that AC has taken Scott as far as he can and maybe another coach with new ideas and new impetus could help. I am by no way a Scott Loach knocker, because as I say I have played his position and it is a lonely old place when you make a mistake. As already mentioned on here, when TD or MS used to miss golden opportunities we just shake our heads but unfortunately for goalkeepers, as always the way, you get screwed. Sorry to go on but I wanted to try and put a balanced argument across for the position. Scott will always have my support whilst he wears the Watford shirt. COYH's.

Good post nigel.....I too played in goal for 36 years including a semi pro spell. Scott is young ( 27 they say is about the age that a keeper should start to peak ) for a keeper. Good example is Richard Lee who is playing out of his skin at Brentford now he's late 20's. Goalkeeping is a lonely and tough position , a mistake usually results in a goal , whereas a forward will get another chance in the match. I do get frustrated when our forwards miss a chance ( some which are "open goals" ) and then some supporters sing his name.Fair enough to give him confidence to try again.Doyley puts more balls out of play than anyone in football , but people don't slag him off do they. BUT this rarely happens with a keeper. Scott has a good temperament ....( how many of your kids at 23 would take the abuse he gets week in week out without cracking up !!!) . With respect to the Forest goal on Saturday , which from 25 yards dipped and swerved viciously enough to decieve any keeper . Even Alec hadn't realised how much it moved until he saw it on the video . These matchballs do move a lot now , and when I finished my playing days recently I found it harder to judge and save a shot from that distance ( because of a late swerve or dip ) than it was from 10 yards. Relatively speaking our forwards do not shoot from that distance , therefore we don't see other keepers concede from that distance , although if you remember the problems David James had when we played Bristol City last year ( 2nd goal particularily). In addition the verbal abuse Scott has had to endure from some of our supporters has been discraceful and personal .....and makes you wonder whether they have the interests of the team. Knocking his confidence totally will mean more errors , more goals conceded and will drain confidence of the team. SO BACK OFF. Scott is one of the best keepers in the Division , he is well respected at other clubs. By hounding him out of the club...you may not like the replacement. Then what !!!! Hound him out too......COYH.

gilesy97 wrote:

nigelcallaghansleftb

oot wrote:
I am not an expert in the matter but I have been a regular goalkeeper for a couple of teams. All I would like to say is that although SL has over 200 appearances in the shirt, he is still only 23. He is still learning the trade and you could state this is obvious due to the errors he makes. There are a number of arguments both for and against his position. Firstly his age which has been mentioned numerous times. He is a good goalkeeper. If you read other forums, not just WFC ones but other Championship teams suppoerters all rate him and he would be one of the first players they want in their team. That must say something about the boy. Another argument could be in AC's training. He (AC) has been with Scott for a number of years now. If you look at other sports, tennis is a great example, these players change their coaches on a (semi) regular basis. It could be argued that AC has taken Scott as far as he can and maybe another coach with new ideas and new impetus could help. I am by no way a Scott Loach knocker, because as I say I have played his position and it is a lonely old place when you make a mistake. As already mentioned on here, when TD or MS used to miss golden opportunities we just shake our heads but unfortunately for goalkeepers, as always the way, you get screwed. Sorry to go on but I wanted to try and put a balanced argument across for the position. Scott will always have my support whilst he wears the Watford shirt. COYH's.

Good post nigel.....I too played in goal for 36 years including a semi pro spell. Scott is young ( 27 they say is about the age that a keeper should start to peak ) for a keeper. Good example is Richard Lee who is playing out of his skin at Brentford now he's late 20's. Goalkeeping is a lonely and tough position , a mistake usually results in a goal , whereas a forward will get another chance in the match. I do get frustrated when our forwards miss a chance ( some which are "open goals" ) and then some supporters sing his name.Fair enough to give him confidence to try again.Doyley puts more balls out of play than anyone in football , but people don't slag him off do they. BUT this rarely happens with a keeper. Scott has a good temperament ....( how many of your kids at 23 would take the abuse he gets week in week out without cracking up !!!) . With respect to the Forest goal on Saturday , which from 25 yards dipped and swerved viciously enough to decieve any keeper . Even Alec hadn't realised how much it moved until he saw it on the video . These matchballs do move a lot now , and when I finished my playing days recently I found it harder to judge and save a shot from that distance ( because of a late swerve or dip ) than it was from 10 yards. Relatively speaking our forwards do not shoot from that distance , therefore we don't see other keepers concede from that distance , although if you remember the problems David James had when we played Bristol City last year ( 2nd goal particularily). In addition the verbal abuse Scott has had to endure from some of our supporters has been discraceful and personal .....and makes you wonder whether they have the interests of the team. Knocking his confidence totally will mean more errors , more goals conceded and will drain confidence of the team. SO BACK OFF. Scott is one of the best keepers in the Division , he is well respected at other clubs. By hounding him out of the club...you may not like the replacement. Then what !!!! Hound him out too......COYH.

Don't agree with any of your points of length of the bore story! I wont back off and by a few comments here how is that hounding him out! My opinion one of the worst in div and needs dropping, and would love to see him leave!

buckler wrote:
1 down already and guess what? Sounds like Billy the Clown has screwed up again! Useless ****!

reading this post of yours , seems like you've formed an opinion without being at the game. Makes you look the useless **** !

gilesy97 wrote:

buckler wrote:
1 down already and guess what? Sounds like Billy the Clown has screwed up again! Useless ****!

reading this post of yours , seems like you've formed an opinion without being at the game. Makes you look the useless **** !

Who did you play for Garston Ladies? Bore off!

ok , useless ****.Whatever you say . Wouldn't want to have a difference of opinion with someone so knowledgable , and clever !!!!