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5:04pm Saturday 18th February 2012 in Watford FC News By Anthony Matthews
Watford’s defensive improvements deserted them in shambolic fashion as they crashed to a 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace at a wet and cold Selhurst Park.
The Eagles, who completed the home and away double over the Hornets as a result, only had four attempts on target in the match but a number of collective and individual mistakes at the back ensured they had a 100 per cent successful conversion rate.
Watford had started encouragingly against a subdued Palace side in the first 15 minutes but once mistakes from the usually reliable Lloyd Doyley and Nyron Nosworthy had enabled Wilfried Zaha to put the hosts in front, the tone was set.
What followed were three more goals – two from Chris Martin and one for Kagisho Dikgacoi – that all originated from Darren Ambrose set pieces. All should have been dealt with – and all weren’t.
Watford weren’t four goals worse than their opponents – much of their play was at least on a par with Palace’s – but they lacked a cutting edge, with Chris Iwelumo, Joe Garner and replacement Gavin Massey rarely threatening to test keeper Julian Speroni.
Sean Dyche was forced into one change from the starting line-up that did so well to beat Leicester City in midweek. Second-half substitute and match-winner Craig Forsyth was promoted from the bench as Sean Murray was ruled out through injury. Massey was on the bench after being recalled from his loan spell at Colchester United and Jonathan Bond was also among the replacements again following Rene Gilmartin’s temporary switch to Crawley Town.
It was the visitors who had the first attempt when, following a throw, Adrian Mariappa crossed from the left and Iwelumo laid the ball back to Alex Kacaniklic, but the on-loan Fulham midfielder dragged his attempted half-volley down into the ground and the effort went harmlessly wide.
Jonathan Hogg was closer to the target with another strike from the edge of the area two minutes later after a free-kick had been half-cleared. But while Speroni was untroubled by either attempt, it was an encouraging start to the contest from the Hornets, who also won the first corner of the match during the early exchanges.
Watford had their best opening to date in the tenth minute when Garner was pushed over on the edge of the D and although Kacaniklic got his free-kick on target and up and over the wall, the Palace keeper read the set piece and saved with relative ease.
Dougie Freedman’s side offered very little as an attacking presence in a lacklustre first 15 minutes for them but that started to change when Martin played an incisive pass inside Doyley to put Ambrose in on the right, but his low centre was cleared behind for the Eagles’ first corner of the match. And from that set piece on the right, Mile Jedinak was given space to get up towards the far post but he got his angles wrong and headed wide of Scott Loach’s left-hand post.
That kick-started Palace into life and in the 22nd minute they took the lead.
With Doyley caught out by a pass down the inside right channel, the Hornets found themselves dragged out of position defensively when Jermaine Easter lost Nosworthy too easily and crossed low for the unmarked Zaha, whose firmly-struck first-time effort was straight at Loach but he was unable to keep it out in the wet conditions.
The Hornets, without being firmly under the cosh, were on the back foot following the goal and struggling to regain the assertiveness they showed in the opening stages. However, they did muster an attempt in the 36th minute when Forsyth nodded Nosworthy’s lofted pass down inside to Iwelumo, whose shot on the turn was saved by Speroni.
However, the Palace keeper was almost surprised by Forsyth’s well-struck 30-yard angled effort from the right that bounced just in front of the stopper. That could have been a memorable goal but Forsyth’s next involvement was to prove costly in another sense, although the Scot was by no means solely to blame for Palace going 2-0 up in the 38th minute.
Forsyth could have few complaints after being booked for a foul on Ambrose but the manner in which the Hornets defence dealt with the former Charlton Athletic man’s deep free-kick from the right was very poor, leaving Martin with a straightforward free header to double his side’s tally.
It was no surprise that Dyche made a change at the start of the second half, with Massey replacing the disappointing Garner, and the substitute was soon involved, putting Lee Hodson in the clear on the right for a cross that was partially cleared to John Eustace, who connected well enough with an overhead kick but was unable to direct the effort on target.
Watford had started the second half with more urgency but within five minutes of the restart they were three down following more dire defending.
The source was again a free-kick, this time from the left following a Hogg foul and this time Ambrose played the ball in low to the near post where Zaha had been allowed to take up an unmarked position. The wide man duly flicked the ball across the six-yard box, through a bemused defence and Martin was again left with a fairly routine finish for his second of the afternoon to make it 3-0.
Watford desperately needed something to give them a foothold back in the contest and an opportunity might have arisen in the 57th minute when Massey was upended near the edge of the area. But Mariappa hit the wall when the free-kick was teed up for him and was then rightly booked after cynically taking out Zaha, who was breaking clear on the counter.
But a bad afternoon duly got even worse for the Hornets in the 63rd minute when Palace netted their fourth – and again it came from a set piece.
Yet again Ambrose was the supplier, this time with a corner into the near post from the left and Dikgacoi got the better of Hogg to head towards goal but it was the actions of Easter that probably caused Loach to concede, as the striker swung and missed at the ball directly in front of the Hornets keeper.
After Zaha and Martin had made way for Sean Scanell and Glenn Murray, Hogg wasn’t too far away from helping his side to concede a fifth as his header back towards goal forced Loach to race from his area and the keeper’s clearance struck Scannell and rebounded wide.
Mark Yeates replaced Forsyth with 16 minutes remaining and his arrival coincided with a torrential downpour. But Yeates did provide a dangerous low cross from the left that saw Paddy McCarthy frantically scramble the ball narrowly wide of his own far post, with Massey ready to pounce.
Freedman gave Owen Garvan a run out for the last six minutes in place of Jedinak and the replacement almost rounded off a superb one and two-touch passing move with two minutes to go, but dragged his shot wide of Loach’s right-hand post.
Crystal Palace: Speroni; Clyne, McCarthy, Gardner, Parr; Ambrose, Dikgacoi, Jedinak (Garvan 84), Zaha (Scanell 71); Easter, C Martin (Murray 71). Not used: McShane and Price.
Watford: Loach; Hodson, Nosworthy, Mariappa, Doyley; Kacaniklic, Eustace, Hogg, Forsyth (Yeates 74); Iwelumo, Garner (Massey 46). Not used: Dickinson, Buaben and Bond.
Bookings: Forsyth for a foul on Ambrose (38); Mariappa for a foul on Zaha (58).
Attendance: 13,324.
Referee: Craig Pawson.
Comments(62)
bigthunder
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5:16pm Sat 18 Feb 12
stuegs
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5:21pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler
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5:22pm Sat 18 Feb 12
MyaMcHayface
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5:32pm Sat 18 Feb 12
lutondown
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5:39pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler wrote:Buckler, Big Thunder will you both stop it? Bas is great, Doyley is back to the future, loach is beyond reproach.
4 goals and Loach didnt move off his line or talk to his defence ! As for bloke standing in front if him ! Show some guts and take him out. Liability! Bring on scottys fan club?
Bush Hornet
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5:45pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler wrote:boring & predictable Buckets but as you request I will defend him - even if the back 4 didn't today. Of course it was his fault that Nos & Lloyd had shockers
4 goals and Loach didnt move off his line or talk to his defence ! As for bloke standing in front if him ! Show some guts and take him out. Liability! Bring on scottys fan club?
stuegs
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5:52pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Johnny Ryden
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5:56pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Feff
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5:59pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Frankie Frazer
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6:00pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler
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6:11pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Feff wrote:Well done Fluff you just joined the D.F.A.L.B club! Loach at fault for 1st, no talking throughout, static, wrong starting postitions,slow legs, no bottle,too scared to push forward out of his way for 4th, in fact totally useless! I rest my case!
Buckler must have a degree - in boredom. Loach was not to blame for the goals - the defence was. Also, while we have no strikers we will not score goals but, perhaps, that logic is beyond Buckler. Go away, Buckler, and take Iwelumo with you.
eltonsjohn
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6:16pm Sat 18 Feb 12
SimonW, Godalming
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6:17pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Eastsussexhornet
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6:51pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Bush Hornet
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6:56pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler wrote:Old Buck. You're gonna rest your case. Alleluia
Feff wrote:Well done Fluff you just joined the D.F.A.L.B club! Loach at fault for 1st, no talking throughout, static, wrong starting postitions,slow legs, no bottle,too scared to push forward out of his way for 4th, in fact totally useless! I rest my case!
Buckler must have a degree - in boredom. Loach was not to blame for the goals - the defence was. Also, while we have no strikers we will not score goals but, perhaps, that logic is beyond Buckler. Go away, Buckler, and take Iwelumo with you.
buckler
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7:01pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Bush Hornet wrote:Just for you I will! As chairman of the BE club I am kinda busy! Eastsussex is talking sense and questions need to be asked?
buckler wrote:Old Buck. You're gonna rest your case. Alleluia
Feff wrote:Well done Fluff you just joined the D.F.A.L.B club! Loach at fault for 1st, no talking throughout, static, wrong starting postitions,slow legs, no bottle,too scared to push forward out of his way for 4th, in fact totally useless! I rest my case!
Buckler must have a degree - in boredom. Loach was not to blame for the goals - the defence was. Also, while we have no strikers we will not score goals but, perhaps, that logic is beyond Buckler. Go away, Buckler, and take Iwelumo with you.
jimbuctu
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7:15pm Sat 18 Feb 12
lutondown
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7:23pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler wrote:alleluia?what are you a freaking gospel singer Bushman? In our tongue it's hallelujah innit.
Bush Hornet wrote:Just for you I will! As chairman of the BE club I am kinda busy! Eastsussex is talking sense and questions need to be asked?
buckler wrote:Old Buck. You're gonna rest your case. Alleluia
Feff wrote:Well done Fluff you just joined the D.F.A.L.B club! Loach at fault for 1st, no talking throughout, static, wrong starting postitions,slow legs, no bottle,too scared to push forward out of his way for 4th, in fact totally useless! I rest my case!
Buckler must have a degree - in boredom. Loach was not to blame for the goals - the defence was. Also, while we have no strikers we will not score goals but, perhaps, that logic is beyond Buckler. Go away, Buckler, and take Iwelumo with you.
watford4evermore
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7:25pm Sat 18 Feb 12
bigthunder wrote:building a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next week
lutondown
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7:30pm Sat 18 Feb 12
watford4evermore wrote:A pub that will fill 26 days a season at best
bigthunder wrote:building a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next week
rousman 2
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7:32pm Sat 18 Feb 12
stuegs wrote:Agree if Loach has to be left out then we have to get a Keeper on loan,we also need a striker on loan Noser had a bad game today (it happens), but why is Doyley still in the team ? still look on the bright side only 12 more points to get.
I think that the fact some people are quicker, have far more to say and are more inclined to comment on here when we have a bad result, says alot about the mentality of 'supporters' that use this website.
I read so many naive comments on here from idiots who expect ridiculous things from WFC. So many comments from people who just dont have a clue. Eg '...drop loach, drop loach'. Even if dyche wanted to, how can we possibly drop him?? Do we have a better goalie at the club?? NO. Can we afford to buy a better goalie?? NO. Are there better goalies available in the loan market?? Who knows. Is Dyche looking at bringing a keeper in?? Who knows.
So, amoungst other things, shut up about dropping loach.
COGGDAVE1
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7:35pm Sat 18 Feb 12
bigthunder wrote:Yak .. Yak .. Yak ... this bloke sounds like my ex wife ... on and on and on ...got beaten by a better team .. thats it ...get over it ... why don't you dip into your family pockets ... you self-opinionated twit ...
Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team
Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!!
we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it !
loan players are needed Southampton next week
buckler
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7:37pm Sat 18 Feb 12
watford4evermore wrote:You seen how many pubs that are closing down? You seen how many pubs doing deals to get punters in ? You seen how many Businesses Bassini has run into the ground! I can tell you couldn't organise a P*** up in a brewery!
bigthunder wrote:building a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next week
Eastsussexhornet
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8:18pm Sat 18 Feb 12
jimbuctu wrote:I know that your comments may attract critisism from some people on this for being short sighted, etc, but whilst we talk about business plans, cial sustainability (which I do often), at the end of the day, what we do on the pitch dictates everything. I know it's "chicken and egg" but I'm afraid with some of these team selections recently I can't help feeling that we have had a good run DESPITE of this rather than becasue of it. And if that carries on you can forget any financial sustainability or the holy grail of the Premiership. For goodness sake, ANYBODY would have been better up front that this Conference player (and that's being fair). It may not have meant that we would have won if Iwelumo hadn't played today becasue the defence was non-existent (why Dickinson doesn't regularly play is a seperate discussion) but at least give us a chance Sean! I completely agree with you jimbucto.
Was at the game today. Basically, whenever Iwelumo is on the teamsheet I want my money back before the game and I'll head home to the warm and Jeff Stelling.
Without a shadow of a doubt the biggest waste of space imaginable! It's no good being two inches taller than your marker if he jumps a foot higher than you do.
Really, really bad. I know we don't have an option currently but I'd rather try Forsyth up top, or for that matter just start with ten men. Staggered really at how bad he is. Who scouted this guy and fed back that he was worthy of a contract? e must have been watched a few times, surely someone would have spotted just how useless he was?
Saying that, we seem to concede the same type of goals time and again. If you kick the ball into our box, you're in with a good shout of scoring. We defend the 'corridor of uncertainty' so badly. Whether that is down to Loach, Dyche or individuals is open to debate but it's been a theme for two seasons now so we need to re-think the line we play and allow our excellent centre defenders to attack the ball. I still maintain Doyley isn't a better option than Dickinson. The lack of a left foot is too evident and limits our capability going forward, although he has become better on the ball - a bit better that is.
Eastsussexhornet
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8:35pm Sat 18 Feb 12
watford4evermore wrote:Pubs do not make money at the best of times let alone being a mile out of the town centre and only full 26 times a year for a couple of hours. Pubs are going bust all over the country. That development is a COMPLETE waste of money. It should have been left to rot OR converted into something useful like the Hornets Store with offices above. Not a lot of business acumen went into that decision.
bigthunder wrote:building a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next week
buckler
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8:38pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Should have given it to our 2 worst players as a goodbye and payoff! Chris and our Scotty will be happy there!
watford4evermore wrote:Pubs do not make money at the best of times let alone being a mile out of the town centre and only full 26 times a year for a couple of hours. Pubs are going bust all over the country. That development is a COMPLETE waste of money. It should have been left to rot OR converted into something useful like the Hornets Store with offices above. Not a lot of business acumen went into that decision.bigthunder wrote: Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next weekbuilding a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
Eastsussexhornet
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8:44pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler wrote:True. Didn't think about converting it to stables. Good idea.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Should have given it to our 2 worst players as a goodbye and payoff! Chris and our Scotty will be happy there!
watford4evermore wrote:Pubs do not make money at the best of times let alone being a mile out of the town centre and only full 26 times a year for a couple of hours. Pubs are going bust all over the country. That development is a COMPLETE waste of money. It should have been left to rot OR converted into something useful like the Hornets Store with offices above. Not a lot of business acumen went into that decision.bigthunder wrote: Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next weekbuilding a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
hornetcarp
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9:24pm Sat 18 Feb 12
buckler
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10:01pm Sat 18 Feb 12
hornetcarp wrote:I buy you 2 pints in Bullcrap Bassinis Bar for them?
2 tickets for sale vs Southampton. £20 each email davewhitmill@tesco.n
et if interested.
Bush Hornet
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1:32am Sun 19 Feb 12
lutondown wrote:Hallelujah. Alleluia. However you spell it in L*t*ntown I don't mind. Praise be. This particular thread hasn't descended into boring Loach bashing. Bless you.
buckler wrote:alleluia?what are you a freaking gospel singer Bushman? In our tongue it's hallelujah innit.
Bush Hornet wrote:Just for you I will! As chairman of the BE club I am kinda busy! Eastsussex is talking sense and questions need to be asked?
buckler wrote:Old Buck. You're gonna rest your case. Alleluia
Feff wrote:Well done Fluff you just joined the D.F.A.L.B club! Loach at fault for 1st, no talking throughout, static, wrong starting postitions,slow legs, no bottle,too scared to push forward out of his way for 4th, in fact totally useless! I rest my case!
Buckler must have a degree - in boredom. Loach was not to blame for the goals - the defence was. Also, while we have no strikers we will not score goals but, perhaps, that logic is beyond Buckler. Go away, Buckler, and take Iwelumo with you.
Yes looks like the selection wasn't the best, but how about blow the pub and spend some on some loan signings and give Sean a chance.
COGGDAVE1
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5:31am Sun 19 Feb 12
corbindallas
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7:45am Sun 19 Feb 12
lutondown wrote:Actually I think you are forgetting the Saracens contribution to the coffers here, I have no doubt they will be at Vicarage road longer than their current deal, also cup games, albeit may be limited but in a whole I reckon the Red Lion will have a better attendance than the majority of pubs get, still not a gold mine, I agree. Re the game Palarse really are our Bogee team we just have problems with them and especially with Ambrose in their team, scored in previous 2 and set's up all their goals, tactics should have been to take him out first, perhaps we should buy him!! As for Big Chris why oh why oh why, I really hope the scout who recommended him is no longer at Watford, hopefully Cardiff have him!
watford4evermore wrote:A pub that will fill 26 days a season at best
bigthunder wrote:building a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next week
How many business plans have you compiled then know it all?
SAHornet
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7:51am Sun 19 Feb 12
Eastsussexhornet
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10:35am Sun 19 Feb 12
SAHornet wrote:The first two questions are being asked by everyone and no one knows the answer. The first one I THINK may merely be a publicity stunt to curry favour with the fans and the second one MAY be a political decision on high, rather than SD's choice, to play him to justify the cost - both are unlikely but I can't think of anything else. The third, well yes - if you feel uneasy from South Africa, how do you think WE feel having to see it in the flesh every week? !!!!
3 points from an ex-pat....
1) Pubs are sh*t business to be in right now so why waste a staggering 500k on one outside the ground?
2) Nearly everyone on this site and others too, talk about CI as being the worst striker that this club has ever seen. What went behind the decision to buy this guy and why are we playing him when we do have some other options?
3) I've just watched the games against Forest & Leicester on Watford Player....Scott Loach, OMG it must be a total nightmare to defend in front of him. His every movement is unsure and lacking in any kind of conviction.
Shout at me all you want but this is my view from afar.
Casterbridge
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11:11am Sun 19 Feb 12
lutondown
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11:15am Sun 19 Feb 12
corbindallas wrote:Corby
lutondown wrote:Actually I think you are forgetting the Saracens contribution to the coffers here, I have no doubt they will be at Vicarage road longer than their current deal, also cup games, albeit may be limited but in a whole I reckon the Red Lion will have a better attendance than the majority of pubs get, still not a gold mine, I agree. Re the game Palarse really are our Bogee team we just have problems with them and especially with Ambrose in their team, scored in previous 2 and set's up all their goals, tactics should have been to take him out first, perhaps we should buy him!! As for Big Chris why oh why oh why, I really hope the scout who recommended him is no longer at Watford, hopefully Cardiff have him!
watford4evermore wrote:A pub that will fill 26 days a season at best
bigthunder wrote:building a pub brings in money plonker with the amount people drink in this country it will be a sure winner bringing in loads of money i can tell you dont run your own business
Absoulte shambles but will give dychie benefit of the doubt this time as he is having to patch up this team Maybe the wonderful Bassini can raid the family trust fund to give the manager some funds to improve the squad instead of selling his players and building pubs !!! we do not have a goalscorer we are getting by with goals from midfield but it caught up with us today , the season is not over yet is it ! loan players are needed Southampton next week
How many business plans have you compiled then know it all?
Eastsussexhornet
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11:54am Sun 19 Feb 12
lutondown
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12:24pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Eastsussexhornet wrote:lol!
Yes, the pub is a complete waste of money. I have thought od a new name for it though - "The White Elephant".
Feff
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12:51pm Sun 19 Feb 12
lutondown
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1:59pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Feff wrote:Feff
A question to Buckler. Richard Lee was our goalkeeper before Scott Loach. Danny Graham was our central striker before Chris Iwelumo. You can have either Lee back and Loach out or Graham back and Iwelumo out. Which of these alternatives do you choose? Loach was once a good goalkeeper. He has completely lost his confidence, not helped by postings such as yours. Iwelumo has never been a good striker and goodness only knows why Dyche signed him. Being tall is important in a rugby scrum or lineout but not when trying to score goals. Reilly never scored as many as Johnston, nor did Jenkins score as many as Blissset. The difference, however, is that Reilly and Jenkins could score, Iwelumo cannot. Send him out on loan to Northwood or Wealdstone. Play Massey. At least he has a future - I hope. Do you agree - Buckler?
Steve, Abbots Langley
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3:24pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Wimbledonhorn
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4:40pm Sun 19 Feb 12
mickallen57
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6:48pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Eastsussexhornet
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6:59pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Wimbledonhorn wrote:Iwelumo definately yes, Forsyth definately no. I am frankly warn out talking about Iwelumo but just one more time.......he is ABSOLUTELY HOPELESS. I don't have the benefit of having gone to the Palace game but although Forsyth isn't an influenial player, he can do things that others can't like his finishing, etc. He has to be part of a team that supports him rather than making his mark on it.
The scoreline really flattered palace but there are no excuses for woeful defending. Doyley and Forsyth at fault for the first two. Our approach play was pedestrian. Eustace and Hogg kept playing horizontal passes to each other them hitting a diagonal punt to Iwelumo. Massey looked lively and should be given a run. Sorry but Forsyth and iwelumo should be dropped for good. Simply not up to this level.
johnnyc72
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7:33pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Wimbledonhorn wrote:Of course; I forgot who scored the winner against Leicester, beating a very good keeper from distance.
The scoreline really flattered palace but there are no excuses for woeful defending. Doyley and Forsyth at fault for the first two. Our approach play was pedestrian. Eustace and Hogg kept playing horizontal passes to each other them hitting a diagonal punt to Iwelumo. Massey looked lively and should be given a run. Sorry but Forsyth and iwelumo should be dropped for good. Simply not up to this level.
LE PARK
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7:53pm Sun 19 Feb 12
WFC4ever
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8:00pm Sun 19 Feb 12
WFC4ever
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8:02pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Frankie Frazer
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8:46pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Bush Hornet
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9:07pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Stoney77
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9:39pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Frankie Frazer wrote:COYH!
Have to say that Iwelumo has done very little to give any of us anything to cheer about, if your a big striker u need to put yourself about, ruffle some feathers, win headers and weigh in with 10 goals a season! Players like DH & GR all did this well, neither were pretty to watch but they did a job. By all accounts in his day big Chris could do the same but now his legs seem to have gone as the work rate is not there & he hardly wins a header let alone score a goal!
With regards to Loach his confidence is shot to pieces, And IMO we need a loan GK to give him a break! I don't think u suddenly become a bad Keeper over night so I hope he will regain his confidence & return a better keeper.
The only thing I ask for is that whoever pulls the shirt on we should all support them no matter what, it certainly won't do the team any good hearing a chorus of boos for any player on the pitch! Let's stick together and give the team our support ..... COYH
corbindallas
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6:00am Mon 20 Feb 12
lutondown
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6:07am Mon 20 Feb 12
corbindallas wrote:Corby
Guys n Girls I just worked it out SD put Chris in the squad because he realised he was going to get the dreaded Manager of the Month award and had to do something about it! On the Red Lion it would have been better to turn it into a Gym rather than incorporating one in the ground!?
Harry the 1st
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7:59am Mon 20 Feb 12
Stoney77 wrote:Yeah who is GR? & amp?
Frankie Frazer wrote: Have to say that Iwelumo has done very little to give any of us anything to cheer about, if your a big striker u need to put yourself about, ruffle some feathers, win headers and weigh in with 10 goals a season! Players like DH & GR all did this well, neither were pretty to watch but they did a job. By all accounts in his day big Chris could do the same but now his legs seem to have gone as the work rate is not there & he hardly wins a header let alone score a goal! With regards to Loach his confidence is shot to pieces, And IMO we need a loan GK to give him a break! I don't think u suddenly become a bad Keeper over night so I hope he will regain his confidence & return a better keeper. The only thing I ask for is that whoever pulls the shirt on we should all support them no matter what, it certainly won't do the team any good hearing a chorus of boos for any player on the pitch! Let's stick together and give the team our support ..... COYHCOYH! (who is GR?!)
Wimbledonhorn
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9:19am Mon 20 Feb 12
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Will have to agree to disagree re: Forsyth. Yes he's scored a couple of piledrivers but his all round game is poor. Poor first touch, barely beats his man. He seems a nice lad but thats probably half the problem, he needs to 'man up'. Compare him with someone like Murray and there is no comparsion.
Wimbledonhorn wrote:Iwelumo definately yes, Forsyth definately no. I am frankly warn out talking about Iwelumo but just one more time.......he is ABSOLUTELY HOPELESS. I don't have the benefit of having gone to the Palace game but although Forsyth isn't an influenial player, he can do things that others can't like his finishing, etc. He has to be part of a team that supports him rather than making his mark on it.
The scoreline really flattered palace but there are no excuses for woeful defending. Doyley and Forsyth at fault for the first two. Our approach play was pedestrian. Eustace and Hogg kept playing horizontal passes to each other them hitting a diagonal punt to Iwelumo. Massey looked lively and should be given a run. Sorry but Forsyth and iwelumo should be dropped for good. Simply not up to this level.
Alex Hillcroft
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9:34am Mon 20 Feb 12
Feff wrote:Although Blissett scored slightly more career goals than Jenkins for WFC his record was achieved over more games. When they played as partnership Jenkins was always the higher scorer. No need to respond - putting on my anorak and going out now
A question to Buckler. Richard Lee was our goalkeeper before Scott Loach. Danny Graham was our central striker before Chris Iwelumo. You can have either Lee back and Loach out or Graham back and Iwelumo out. Which of these alternatives do you choose? Loach was once a good goalkeeper. He has completely lost his confidence, not helped by postings such as yours. Iwelumo has never been a good striker and goodness only knows why Dyche signed him. Being tall is important in a rugby scrum or lineout but not when trying to score goals. Reilly never scored as many as Johnston, nor did Jenkins score as many as Blissset. The difference, however, is that Reilly and Jenkins could score, Iwelumo cannot. Send him out on loan to Northwood or Wealdstone. Play Massey. At least he has a future - I hope. Do you agree - Buckler?
tonupchris
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10:51am Mon 20 Feb 12
WFC4ever
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11:26am Mon 20 Feb 12
Harry the 1st
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1:08pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Frankie Frazer
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2:01pm Mon 20 Feb 12
lutondown
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3:59pm Mon 20 Feb 12
WFC4ever wrote:No I don't think Doyley can defend. His distribution is piddle poor and always has been. I always liked Doyleys heart. And if heart alone won awards he would win everyone, but it doesn't and we need a proper left footer in position.
Dickinson is only a sub because he cannot defend whereas Doyley usually can....
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stuegs says...
5:13pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Lets hope thats all the defensive mistakes out the way, in one game, for a while!