Lambert at the treble as Hornets well beaten (From Watford Observer)

"Time will tell;but rest assured the players and staff will be doing their best to make sure you leave every Watford match knowing that everything was given in the persuit of success"
Quote SD programme notes 25/02.
Really SD? Really??

Sounds like an extremely disappointing afternoon for you lot.I was expecting to lose but possibly not as badly as we did. Why was Trotta replaced so early - injured, knackered, no use, what? WO doesn't say

Not at the races at all today !
hope this is not a familiar pattern for the rest of season.Okay so Southampton are a top of the table team and playing with a winning mentality, but its not too much to expect to at least get at them, put two passes together and get their keeper off his deck chair !! sorry for thomas, it was a bad decision he wanted to put a marker down ! he certainly did that. Oh well keep yer heads up !.

what can one say 7 goals against none scored thats bad really bad!! but sd has a job for life! keep up the good work lol

Again we started quite blrightly until the 1st ****-up.

2nd was a decent strike TBF and the penalty seemed harsh.

Southampton's goalie could have played with a pipe and in slippers!

We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

*resources

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

totally agree but you are in dreamland if you think all bassini's talk will materialise into fact ,not fooled by him whatsoever , this time next year we will all know what i am afraid i already know and that is that nothing will change .

As for today an embarresing performance, Dychie i have praised you recently but i am afraid that just is not good enough, no effort, no passion, no organisation and certainly no goal threat , the sight of you bringing the awful Garner and iwelumo on summed it up for me , but suppose as YOUR signings you have too , last two games 7 conceeded NONE scored and no points massive kick up the ar*e needed and quick !

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post and every thing right
In what you say
I can stand losing when we lose well like the spurs game, but we were like 'we're dead men walking' when we come on the park today
Bad day and England list the Rugby
I'm going to bed

Funny nobody is having a pop at Kucszac. 'Careful, you might get what what you wish for' is a phrase that springs to mind.

Christ !
Everone knows lambert is their top scorer, why did'nt they put someone on him, it is'nt rocket science.

It was so dire and the Rookery ( and I was in it ) so indifferent that Harry the Hornet threw his toys out of the pram and stormed off mid way through the 1st half!!!

This showed the men from the boys..... No fight .... no ideas and a reality check & wake up call. No options up front - Deeney woeful ... and were the loanees any better than our homegrown on a good day ..... probably not.

Love it how Kucszac is not getting any blame for this. Yes it may be his first game for Watford, but he's meant to have come from a top premiership club.
Going down 1-0 so early in the game puts everyone on a downer. Being on a downer against a top club like the saints leads to big scorelines...
Why drop Scott? Isnt it obvious its the defenders not giving the keeper enough support. I think most people are just following the crowd and going against Scott when that was the last thing he needed. The club is a shambles at the moment. Sort it out!!

I generally Like to stay optimistic but find it difficult to take any positives out of today! When a game is like that I like to judge it on how many times the action gets me out of my seat, today was only the once and that was the TK save prior to the penalty, but not once on attacking play !!! Says it all ... I just hope that's the bad run out of the way now and we return to at least a more positive performance for the Burnley game .
I have now since found one positive for today, although he was a bit rusty and made a gaff for the 1st goal I thought TKs distribution was very good, loved seeing A GK throwing the ball out properly .COYH ........

radlettman wrote:
It was so dire and the Rookery ( and I was in it ) so indifferent that Harry the Hornet threw his toys out of the pram and stormed off mid way through the 1st half!!!

This showed the men from the boys..... No fight .... no ideas and a reality check & wake up call. No options up front - Deeney woeful ... and were the loanees any better than our homegrown on a good day ..... probably not.

Nerves, first game, doesn't know his defenders yet, etc. Everyone makes mistakes. Yes, he's from a Premiership club but that doesn't make him a super-human. It wasn't a clear cut goalkeeping b;lunder anyway. Not good though admittedly, but I am going to refrain from making any critisism until the end of match 3. He performed well for the rest of the match, the second goal he was unsighted (I think) and it was a hot shot in any case and the penalty was not a penalty. At least we didn't all **** ourselves every time the ball was passed back to him....

wfcrus wrote:
Love it how Kucszac is not getting any blame for this. Yes it may be his first game for Watford, but he's meant to have come from a top premiership club.
Going down 1-0 so early in the game puts everyone on a downer. Being on a downer against a top club like the saints leads to big scorelines...
Why drop Scott? Isnt it obvious its the defenders not giving the keeper enough support. I think most people are just following the crowd and going against Scott when that was the last thing he needed. The club is a shambles at the moment. Sort it out!!

Sorry Radlettman, I meant to respond to this one!

wfcrus wrote:
Love it how Kucszac is not getting any blame for this. Yes it may be his first game for Watford, but he's meant to have come from a top premiership club.
Going down 1-0 so early in the game puts everyone on a downer. Being on a downer against a top club like the saints leads to big scorelines...
Why drop Scott? Isnt it obvious its the defenders not giving the keeper enough support. I think most people are just following the crowd and going against Scott when that was the last thing he needed. The club is a shambles at the moment. Sort it out!!

Ha Mr Loach answer to your question, methinks your the first to criticise TK.
Agree with one thing, I think the club is a shambles, the crowd are probably worth a goal to the opponents and our ground looks woeful.
Oh but the White Elephant pub is on the way
Whoopee do

If Loach had made those mistakes today there would have been people on the pitch with flaming torches and pitchforks. We played very badly today, but I think Trotta looks half decent. Kalashnikov never beats anyone and just runs sideways. Iwellemo gets a ridiculous amount of stick, he's not Luther Blissett for Christ sake and a really shaky performance for Dickinson (and in fact the whole back four)

I think it's fair to say we were cr@p all over today. TK dropped one big time for the first. The second was a good finish into the bottom corner, I think it's more of a question as to why the defence allowed him time to have a punt rather than blame TK. And you can't really blame a keeper for not saving a penalty.
What really peed me off today was that we couldn't string more than two passes together and we kept lumping it up to a well organised defence who never really looked in trouble against us. And to make things worse we kept doing it over and over again with no change of tactics from the sidelines.
We've turned ourselves over today against an average looking side.
Still at least "we've learnt fom last weeks experiences at Crystal Palace" Another SD gem!
I'm really clutching at straws here but didn't Tony Coton have a mare on his debut?

Southampton played us as we played Tottenham, and right from the off: harrying us on the ball, forcing the error, and then showing us how to find and use space. So we resorted to hoofball, but more in hope than expectation.

You can't fault the team for honest endeavour right to the end, but at this level that's just not good enough.

clean sheet & fine game by Bondy for Daggers I see.................
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Rubbish, think Kuszczak made a big mistake borrowing Loach's boots and gloves! We were crap all game and never created anything really. Trotta and Kacaniklic can do one in the 3 wheelie back to fulham both no better than our own players! 7against 0scored not good! Banner waiting!

Ouch that hurt seven goals in two matches and none in return.Didn't expect to beat the Saints last week but after the two signings thought maybe we could sneak a win.But hey that was a wake up call.Over heard one member of the vicarage road staff explaining to academy players to fill in their tick charts "for instance Lloyds' tackels won should be high but his distribution to players will be very low"Everyone knows why is he still played.COYH

Not sure what you can say about today....it was a game without any redeeming features. How Southampton are vying for a place in the Premiership (where they will get slaughtered) is beyond me....and they beat us. I don't think anyone played well, we lacked ideas, movement, creativity, bite, urgency, skill...words fail me unfortunately.

And is it just me or has the expensive PA system gone wrong only it sounds just like the old one. Would it be cynical of me to think Bas had hired one in for a few games just so he could put a tick against his promises list....anyone notice he's going through that list in order of cheapest first?

Kingswoodhornet wrote:
I think it's fair to say we were cr@p all over today. TK dropped one big time for the first. The second was a good finish into the bottom corner, I think it's more of a question as to why the defence allowed him time to have a punt rather than blame TK. And you can't really blame a keeper for not saving a penalty.
What really peed me off today was that we couldn't string more than two passes together and we kept lumping it up to a well organised defence who never really looked in trouble against us. And to make things worse we kept doing it over and over again with no change of tactics from the sidelines.
We've turned ourselves over today against an average looking side.
Still at least "we've learnt fom last weeks experiences at Crystal Palace" Another SD gem!
I'm really clutching at straws here but didn't Tony Coton have a mare on his debut?

Yes, we lost at home to Everton 5-4!

Berks Horn wrote:
Not sure what you can say about today....it was a game without any redeeming features. How Southampton are vying for a place in the Premiership (where they will get slaughtered) is beyond me....and they beat us. I don't think anyone played well, we lacked ideas, movement, creativity, bite, urgency, skill...words fail me unfortunately.

And is it just me or has the expensive PA system gone wrong only it sounds just like the old one. Would it be cynical of me to think Bas had hired one in for a few games just so he could put a tick against his promises list....anyone notice he's going through that list in order of cheapest first?

But Bas is great
He's promised loads of new toys that includes the costliest pub rennovation ever,
Still alls good
Clap clap (trap)

Awful, just utterly hopeless, totally flattering an actually very average Saints side. Three terribly soft goals, and if Saints had been more concerned with their goal difference than feigning injury and time wasting, it could have been much worse. General air of apathy emanating from the club at the moment, I think arising from an assumption that we're already safe, but that the play offs are out of the question. My concerns are that these sort of woeful displays are not only a rubbish way to end a season but could conceivably drag us back into trouble. We need another two wins and on this sort of form who are we actually going to beat?

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post Garston, I see Nigel Adkins was critical of the pitch today and that's an opposition manager with 3 points in the bag! The passing game is not going to be seen much more this season on that bobbly pitch, teams wil close us down and make it a scrap. Roll on that Saracens free era we are always promised!

Yes it was a poor performance today but having to play Lloyd Doyley at right back with Yeates in front of him we were going to produce F-all down the right side.
Deany didn't look fit and Trotta didn;t get a decent ball all game. Eustace tried his best but we missed any creativity in midfield. Without Beauben or Murray we will just lump the ball forward , usually straight down the keepers throat. As for the first goal ,yes the new keeper made a mistake but Nosworthy was out jumped far to easilly. Still think T.K will prove to be a very good signing.

Johnny Ryden wrote:

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post Garston, I see Nigel Adkins was critical of the pitch today and that's an opposition manager with 3 points in the bag! The passing game is not going to be seen much more this season on that bobbly pitch, teams wil close us down and make it a scrap. Roll on that Saracens free era we are always promised!

Thanks. I just want to see a bit of hope on and off the pitch. I am slowly losing interest in my club and if I'm thinking like that how many other, loyal fans are?! I will always follow them and I will make sure my young lad follows them but going to watch Watford is simply not an exciting prospect anymore! Yes the spurs game was good as was the atmosphere but the fact that we all waxed lyrical about it is probably more to do with the other games and atmospheres being so dire! We need to generate some life into our support and a Watford only pub and a decent bar like Harrys was could help this. On the pitch we need some intelligent, ambitious, innovative management. Mackay and dyche are too obsessed with 'lack of resource' and were/are happy to just survive. That may in reality be our level but if you aim higher, who knows? Look at wat boothroyd did in that one magical, exciting, crowd pleasing season!

And who wants to invest £300/£400 every summer into a club that is happy to finish 21st?!

Poor show, no-one had a good game today, whereas against Spurs, to a man they were all at their very best. Might be wrong but seems a few have taken their foot off the gas now it seems we're safe. Missed Hodson and Murray and lacked any real creativity and, apart from swapping kaka and yeates to opposite sides a few times, no real options I Spose with Murray out injured. And the pitch looked bad today and will only get worse from now on. Oh well hope to be able to soften the blows soon with a few pints before (and after) the game!!

(in the red lion that is)!

Why do we bother struggling financially when we could go into administration like Southampton?

garston edl wrote:

Johnny Ryden wrote:

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post Garston, I see Nigel Adkins was critical of the pitch today and that's an opposition manager with 3 points in the bag! The passing game is not going to be seen much more this season on that bobbly pitch, teams wil close us down and make it a scrap. Roll on that Saracens free era we are always promised!

Thanks. I just want to see a bit of hope on and off the pitch. I am slowly losing interest in my club and if I'm thinking like that how many other, loyal fans are?! I will always follow them and I will make sure my young lad follows them but going to watch Watford is simply not an exciting prospect anymore! Yes the spurs game was good as was the atmosphere but the fact that we all waxed lyrical about it is probably more to do with the other games and atmospheres being so dire! We need to generate some life into our support and a Watford only pub and a decent bar like Harrys was could help this. On the pitch we need some intelligent, ambitious, innovative management. Mackay and dyche are too obsessed with 'lack of resource' and were/are happy to just survive. That may in reality be our level but if you aim higher, who knows? Look at wat boothroyd did in that one magical, exciting, crowd pleasing season!

Garston Edl you speak a lot of sense , and I think you are not alone in your views. Just hope we can get these points we need double quickly and get this season behind us.
Just dont say these things too loudly ! or you will feel the wrath of Mr Magoo,stoney77 and his chums.

We made a less than impressive Southampton look better than they were.
I thought the pitch was the worse it has been so far and I agree that we probably won't see anymore decent football this season.
The error for the first goal was dissapointing but at least we saw some intelligent distribution from the GK.
The forwards generally were pretty ineffective so much so that I was almost pleased to see Ewelumo come on.
Today we were back to the sort of midfield performances that originally made us think Hogg and Eustace couldn't play together.
Dickinson provided his usual weak frenetic performance and Yeates seemed even more confused than I was.

cliff46 wrote:
We made a less than impressive Southampton look better than they were.
I thought the pitch was the worse it has been so far and I agree that we probably won't see anymore decent football this season.
The error for the first goal was dissapointing but at least we saw some intelligent distribution from the GK.
The forwards generally were pretty ineffective so much so that I was almost pleased to see Ewelumo come on.
Today we were back to the sort of midfield performances that originally made us think Hogg and Eustace couldn't play together.
Dickinson provided his usual weak frenetic performance and Yeates seemed even more confused than I was.

Weren't good was it Cliff?
Pitch isn't great but I've seen Watford teams perform on far worse than that.
I just hope that when we are safe, perhaps we will get to see some of the youngsters given a go, and if not why not.
The defence is generally poor. Doyley, Dickinson easily beaten.
And Bud when your almost happy to see the statue come on, really Shsw how impotent we were up front

Lutondown
I agree with all your comments.
The defence was very poor and although the goalkeeper was at fault for the first goal he was badly exposed by Noseworthy who let Lambert outjump Him by about two feet!!
And that bl--dy tannoy drove me nuts you can't hear yourself speak and it wouldn't be so bad if I could understand what the idiot was saying---or is it just me?

i have been a season ticket holder since September 1995.Maybe not as long as some others.There have been good times and bad times.
One game win or lose does not necessarily set a season though I found Sean programmes notes laughable today ,
the new mod com audio system most probably purchased from ----Market ,the quality being poor .
The performance was poor just basically hoofing the ball with an occasional cross from the wing .
As a whole the odd game aside I have just not enjoyed this season and frankly Iam just coming bored with this all
Thick and thin is all well and good but when I see poor performances with BSE about positivity in the camp in a difficult economic climate I am sure my money can be spent better elsewhere
Losing to Southampton is no disgrace but the manner of the loss is .

KeithMercer wrote:

garston edl wrote:

Johnny Ryden wrote:

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post Garston, I see Nigel Adkins was critical of the pitch today and that's an opposition manager with 3 points in the bag! The passing game is not going to be seen much more this season on that bobbly pitch, teams wil close us down and make it a scrap. Roll on that Saracens free era we are always promised!

Thanks. I just want to see a bit of hope on and off the pitch. I am slowly losing interest in my club and if I'm thinking like that how many other, loyal fans are?! I will always follow them and I will make sure my young lad follows them but going to watch Watford is simply not an exciting prospect anymore! Yes the spurs game was good as was the atmosphere but the fact that we all waxed lyrical about it is probably more to do with the other games and atmospheres being so dire! We need to generate some life into our support and a Watford only pub and a decent bar like Harrys was could help this. On the pitch we need some intelligent, ambitious, innovative management. Mackay and dyche are too obsessed with 'lack of resource' and were/are happy to just survive. That may in reality be our level but if you aim higher, who knows? Look at wat boothroyd did in that one magical, exciting, crowd pleasing season!

Garston Edl you speak a lot of sense , and I think you are not alone in your views. Just hope we can get these points we need double quickly and get this season behind us.
Just dont say these things too loudly ! or you will feel the wrath of Mr Magoo,stoney77 and his chums.

Mr Mercer, i only get angry when clowns like Buckler and the Luton Muppet to name a few, come on here slagging off players in a degrading manner, there is a difference between constructive criticism and a witch hunt, we were poor today and no one played well.

Yeah, poor game; I missed my sleep for that game and actually found myself nodding off in the second half so predictable was 'the performance'. Dyche always talks about the passion and committment amongst the players but that was largely absent except for Eustace and, dare I say it, Big Chris gambolling around like a spring lamb chased by an errant cur! Not sure what he was chasing but he did seem to try a little bit harder than usual! Must be guessing his time is nearly up. Nite Nite!

Utter shambles yesterday no prospect of scoring in a month of sundays.Shame The keeper made a right mess for the first goal but still glad we have him cos he won't make the sheer volume of mistakes Loach does.Really worried cos our attacking options are so poor can't remember a poorer set of options ever! Not one exciting player on the books 3 sided dismal ground what a mess we are in.

Garston edl, whole lot of sense in what you said and I couldnt agree more! There is a lot of concern amongst fans and the clubs internal ambition has got to be better then beating relegation every season, if that's what you hear as a supporter then the club will lose fans rapidly .
I would also like to say that the way you debated your view was exactly the way it should be done, there was no sniping at other posters, no personal attacks on the players or owners and someone just giving an honest opinion on how he sees it!!!! Not everyone will agree with your comments, but that is what a debate should be about and a difference of opinion is what makes it more fun! Got to admit I Have been guilty of going to far on occasions but to be honest most of my comments r supposed to be tongue in cheek to get a rise out of people that sometimes get too emotional and too personal !!!! However most people just want to have a good debate so I will do my best to rise above it and just comment on the article (not promising tho as I quite enjoy it sometimes!! Especially with my good friend Lutondown)
Let's hope this mini slump is over for next Saturday, anyway I am now off to watch my 2 boys play u8s & u7s footy which to be fair is normally more exciting than WFC, here's to 2 better results today as I dont think I can cope with more disappointment ......

Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

Have to admit that, as a long time supporter, this is the first season for over 50 years that I have yet to see a home game. Sorry, but the prospect of paying £30 to see a bunch of ageing freeloading journeymen on that awful pitch opposite a derelict stand in not very enticing. Don't blame Dyche or current regime, I think its the state of the current game and disastrous previous management. Have to agree with garston edi - takes a stroke of luck/genius to give us a season like boothroyd gave us, and where is he now? The one hope is that there are a few nuggets in the academy that can excite us and give us some hope before they are sold on.

Morning fellow horns, been a while since I have posted as I thought I would see how things pan out.

In my opinion almost every team we have played this season (even teams we have beaten) seem more organised and tactically better than we are. Is this due to management or that we no longer have players with enough quality, I can't work it out.

Are we really safe this season? Because based on yesterdays performance and other results I'm not so sure.

I do agree with most of garstons points, and frankie your last post spot on mate,

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

Prepare yourself buckler you mentioned the banner, look forward to reading the abuse directed at you lol, it cracks me up mate

luther blissett wrote:
Why do we bother struggling financially when we could go into administration like Southampton?

That is a good point...we made an effort not to go into administration but its worked well for Southampton.

Mind you on the flip side look at Pompey!

Dyche made 2 good signings but a lot of average ones sadly.

Trouble is yesterday even those 2 decent players in Nors and Hogg had poor games.

But then notice who was back in the team..

The Mitchell brothers look a likes!

Bet Phil and Grant are a bit quicker though and have more ability with a football!

The lack of atmosphere isn't helped by the fact most youngsters in the Rookery spent more time booing Big Chris even before he was on the pitch..

Ofcourse the crowds are low because we price supporters out of coming on the day.

Look at what Charlton got for offering cheap £5 tickets..26K!

wozza68 wrote:

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

Prepare yourself buckler you mentioned the banner, look forward to reading the abuse directed at you lol, it cracks me up mate

Do you know what 'Banner' I mean? As for Magoo same old negative stuff, you should try and be a bit more like me LD and Keith and co! Sunny days ahead
For our gang! Positive thinking boy!

buckler wrote:

wozza68 wrote:

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

Prepare yourself buckler you mentioned the banner, look forward to reading the abuse directed at you lol, it cracks me up mate

Do you know what 'Banner' I mean? As for Magoo same old negative stuff, you should try and be a bit more like me LD and Keith and co! Sunny days ahead
For our gang! Positive thinking boy!

Yes think I know the banner you mean think garston was going to unveil it against peterborough if my memory is correct.

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

I've been reading, just not posting. Wen u get results like millwall and Leicester you think yes, we might have a chance but then you witness brum, palace, southampton and you remember how poor we are and how no progress has been made this season. The off pitch stuff is nearly as important to me as the on pitch stuff. I know so many mates and associates that have drifted away from regular match day attendance because there is no ambition in the club, the ground is a joke, the atmosphere is truly awful (years of family club obsession) and it's not easy to buy the over priced tickets.

cliff46 wrote:
Lutondown
I agree with all your comments.
The defence was very poor and although the goalkeeper was at fault for the first goal he was badly exposed by Noseworthy who let Lambert outjump Him by about two feet!!
And that bl--dy tannoy drove me nuts you can't hear yourself speak and it wouldn't be so bad if I could understand what the idiot was saying---or is it just me?

True. I was hoarse after trying to keep up a conversation with the bloke next to me!

Buckler, I shared the same opinion as garston, luton and yourself at the time the banner was mentioned. If I'm honest and truthfull I have not seen anything to change my opinion, perhaps my perceptions of how football should be played and having greater ambitions for watford than to just survive are missguided.

garston edl wrote:

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

I've been reading, just not posting. Wen u get results like millwall and Leicester you think yes, we might have a chance but then you witness brum, palace, southampton and you remember how poor we are and how no progress has been made this season. The off pitch stuff is nearly as important to me as the on pitch stuff. I know so many mates and associates that have drifted away from regular match day attendance because there is no ambition in the club, the ground is a joke, the atmosphere is truly awful (years of family club obsession) and it's not easy to buy the over priced tickets.

Agree 100%

If we continue with aimless hoofing we might as well get Boothroyd back at least his version resulted in an occasional shot on target. Can't see too many more points coming our way just hope we have got enough. I know a couple of season ticket holders who will not be renewing. Single figure crowds looming next season.

I will seriously consider not renewing next season. I dont like the current set up at all. Cant get my head around Ross Wilson picking players to sign for the team. Far too many signings that have failed in my opinion either on loan or permanent. I never have been a fan of Sean Dyche. Loach has virtually been destroyed by the failure to bring in a loan keeper months ago.!!The persistence in playing Doyley, the team actually had a mini revival when he was out and since hes been back, although its not all his fault, the team have gone backwards too. Iwelumo has been a complete disaster, Garner looks too lightweight at this level and Yeates has shown why he has had so many clubs. Hogg and Nosworthy have proved succesful. Buaben will never get a good run with Eustace and Hogg fit. Forsythe continues to frustrate and i cant even remember the centre backs name who came from Scunthorpe, another one out of his depth. All in all its a complete mess, the ground, tannoy system, size of the crowd,the pitch, the team, management, and ownership, supported the team for 44 years, i face a tough decision to renew taking all that into consideration.!!

Yes it was a very poor performance yesterday but our win against Leicester was only two weeks ago and one of our best performances of the season.

This season was always about survival and starting to build for the next couple of years. 6/9 points and we are safe.

The backbone of the side is there. We clearly miss Sean Murray who with Prince Buaben are our most creative players. For me one of them has to be in the team every week.

Add a decent keeper (which we hopefully now have for a while) and someone who can score 15 goals a season I don't see much wrong with the side.

If you then look at how the young players from the Academy have been able to gain experience without the pressure of us on their back I for one see a rosier picture than some people are trying to paint on the pitch.

I am more concerned about off the pitch. But as a number of people have already said the start of next season will answer a lot of questions about our owner. I just wish we would move the changing rooms yesterday and get rid of the East stand asap and do what Preston did for a while, leave it as an empty space.

Keith Eddy wrote:
Yes it was a very poor performance yesterday but our win against Leicester was only two weeks ago and one of our best performances of the season.

This season was always about survival and starting to build for the next couple of years. 6/9 points and we are safe.

The backbone of the side is there. We clearly miss Sean Murray who with Prince Buaben are our most creative players. For me one of them has to be in the team every week.

Add a decent keeper (which we hopefully now have for a while) and someone who can score 15 goals a season I don't see much wrong with the side.

If you then look at how the young players from the Academy have been able to gain experience without the pressure of us on their back I for one see a rosier picture than some people are trying to paint on the pitch.

I am more concerned about off the pitch. But as a number of people have already said the start of next season will answer a lot of questions about our owner. I just wish we would move the changing rooms yesterday and get rid of the East stand asap and do what Preston did for a while, leave it as an empty space.

I agree with some of your points but the Leicester game our best performance, from what I remember they battered us in the second half. Would agree if you said it was the best result of the season.

Also wasn't last season all about survival and lack of resourses?

I will watch the horns in whatever division they are in as I have done in the past, what I'm not happy about though is paying money to watch hoof ball and very little end product all the time.

Good to see Magoo trying to stir it up again! But he is so blind he cannot see!
Frankie, i know your Ilovspas, and glad you enjoy our indiffences!
And am I right in saying, the tannoy system is part of Bas's ' wondrous investment'?
Bovvy Market or what?

53 pts is the usual guarantee of safety. There's still plenty to play for but a general malaise seems to have set in on and off the pitch...

Could be worse, we could be non league!!

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

A lot of self congratulation and back slapping for a piece of work with serious intellectual limitations.

First, who said the club lacked ambition ? What it undoubtedly lacks is finance but that is not the same thing.

The realistic ambition will always be survival with maybe a season where a top six finish affords at the least opportunity for a repeat of the Boothroyd achievement - now acknowledged by most observers (and confirmed by subsequent events) to be significantly driven by luck !

Or do the crowd want to hear grandiose statements promising
promotion on a shoestring ?
Would that count as demonstrating 'ambition' ?

West Ham and Southampton are where they are because of Gold/Sullivan and a Swiss billionaire. That does not guarantee success (ref ; Leicester) but it does give you a
hell of a start !

True supporters can live with this reality and turn up every week to support the 'golden boys'

WFC4ever wrote:

luther blissett wrote:
Why do we bother struggling financially when we could go into administration like Southampton?

That is a good point...we made an effort not to go into administration but its worked well for Southampton.

Mind you on the flip side look at Pompey!

Dyche made 2 good signings but a lot of average ones sadly.

Trouble is yesterday even those 2 decent players in Nors and Hogg had poor games.

But then notice who was back in the team..

The Mitchell brothers look a likes!

Bet Phil and Grant are a bit quicker though and have more ability with a football!

But Pompey didn't learn and carried paying stupid wages. I have no sympathy for them.

Just a shame there are people out there that see admin as the easy way out.

Don't rise to it lads. He's already let himself down by getting personal over my intellect and failing to notice the 'Tongue in cheek' nature of my self congratulations! If he's happy with the state if our club then that's his choice, we won't change his mind. We obviously live in different worlds, and probably not just when it comes to football.

buckler wrote:

Mr Magee wrote:

buckler wrote:

wozza68 wrote:

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote: Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

Prepare yourself buckler you mentioned the banner, look forward to reading the abuse directed at you lol, it cracks me up mate

Do you know what 'Banner' I mean? As for Magoo same old negative stuff, you should try and be a bit more like me LD and Keith and co! Sunny days ahead For our gang! Positive thinking boy!

Yea i bet your banner is gonna be for the benefit and morale of the team what a sado you and your mates are.

Missy Magoo its that ugly Jealousy rearing its head again? Trying doing something positive today and i might consider talking to you ! Toodle Pip!

Can anyone on here tell me what Buckler an his Boo boys have got to be jealous about, there just a sad bunch of blokes who have nothing better to do than bash players up on this forum, ok just going to paint a wall and watch it dry.

Arsenal and Tottenham defending like Watford.

Maybe we are being harsh... But then they aren't playing Doyley and Dickinson.

thought this was one of our worst games. Impossible to kno which watford side you see, but did nto help that Dpoyley was so bad at passing the ball and Dickinson and yeates are really not good enough. As for Saints, all they had to do was fall down, not sure why the ref could not see what they were up to but he certainly encouraged them to continue. Back to the old hoof and head ball not to feet , if we carry on like this we will be down amongst the dead men. Dyche needs to look at who is able to go for it and I thought we had it controlled well when we played Leicester, yet back again to allowing a team to dictate and us to get panicky and reacting badly.

Ihave nothing but contempt for mctavish and co but credit to the sheep s*aggers played out of their woolly coats

what a shame for the deceitful Jock ! I feel so bad for him,my sides are splitting !!

hornets09 wrote:
I will seriously consider not renewing next season. I dont like the current set up at all. Cant get my head around Ross Wilson picking players to sign for the team. Far too many signings that have failed in my opinion either on loan or permanent. I never have been a fan of Sean Dyche. Loach has virtually been destroyed by the failure to bring in a loan keeper months ago.!!The persistence in playing Doyley, the team actually had a mini revival when he was out and since hes been back, although its not all his fault, the team have gone backwards too. Iwelumo has been a complete disaster, Garner looks too lightweight at this level and Yeates has shown why he has had so many clubs. Hogg and Nosworthy have proved succesful. Buaben will never get a good run with Eustace and Hogg fit. Forsythe continues to frustrate and i cant even remember the centre backs name who came from Scunthorpe, another one out of his depth. All in all its a complete mess, the ground, tannoy system, size of the crowd,the pitch, the team, management, and ownership, supported the team for 44 years, i face a tough decision to renew taking all that into consideration.!!

Excellent post and have to say agree with every word, i have already made up my mind having had a season ticket for some 34 years now , i will not renew my ticket now until i see investment put into the ground , can afford it but have made my mind up , i will buy a season ticket in the new east stand when you build it !!

So Mr Bassini / Taylor /Fransen e.t.c there is the challenge when the talking stops and the actions starts ,i will buy a season ticket again , i will always support watford and will continue to go to most away games but my money will not be invested in your pocket Mr Bassini sir until i see real investment from you

The tannoy system you say you have spent money on is a joke ! expect you have just hired a few extra speakers, the pitch is now becoming a problem again no surprise there !

All in all as hornets09 says a complete mess would love to hear what Mr taylor has to say you are still very quiet Mr non exec chairman !!

hornets09 wrote:
I will seriously consider not renewing next season. I dont like the current set up at all. Cant get my head around Ross Wilson picking players to sign for the team. Far too many signings that have failed in my opinion either on loan or permanent. I never have been a fan of Sean Dyche. Loach has virtually been destroyed by the failure to bring in a loan keeper months ago.!!The persistence in playing Doyley, the team actually had a mini revival when he was out and since hes been back, although its not all his fault, the team have gone backwards too. Iwelumo has been a complete disaster, Garner looks too lightweight at this level and Yeates has shown why he has had so many clubs. Hogg and Nosworthy have proved succesful. Buaben will never get a good run with Eustace and Hogg fit. Forsythe continues to frustrate and i cant even remember the centre backs name who came from Scunthorpe, another one out of his depth. All in all its a complete mess, the ground, tannoy system, size of the crowd,the pitch, the team, management, and ownership, supported the team for 44 years, i face a tough decision to renew taking all that into consideration.!!

ive got 5 season tickets in the vicarage rd end and im not gonna renew next season either, i cant stand the football (if you can call it that)that we are playing under dyche but i think all the bassini bashers have got it wrong, everything he said he was going to do he has done so whas the problem?we have the corner being finished a new east stand coming hes given money for players i just wish he could see how crap dyche is!!!

hornets09 wrote:
I will seriously consider not renewing next season. I dont like the current set up at all. Cant get my head around Ross Wilson picking players to sign for the team. Far too many signings that have failed in my opinion either on loan or permanent. I never have been a fan of Sean Dyche. Loach has virtually been destroyed by the failure to bring in a loan keeper months ago.!!The persistence in playing Doyley, the team actually had a mini revival when he was out and since hes been back, although its not all his fault, the team have gone backwards too. Iwelumo has been a complete disaster, Garner looks too lightweight at this level and Yeates has shown why he has had so many clubs. Hogg and Nosworthy have proved succesful. Buaben will never get a good run with Eustace and Hogg fit. Forsythe continues to frustrate and i cant even remember the centre backs name who came from Scunthorpe, another one out of his depth. All in all its a complete mess, the ground, tannoy system, size of the crowd,the pitch, the team, management, and ownership, supported the team for 44 years, i face a tough decision to renew taking all that into consideration.!!

Yes, this is a good post and it's such a shame to read so many people's comments on here that they have simply lost their enthusiasm for our football club but I so understand how that has happened. Manager's leaving us, owners' running away from us and hiding the simple truths, appointment of an untried manager, signings of SO MANY poor journeyman players (and how will we sell them again?), semi-derelict ground that others make fun of. It is all a bit of a shambles really isn't it? Hard to be positive.

I am not convinced that we are safe at this stage. Another 3 or 4 defeats on the trot and I think we might be in the sh*t again.

And finally, it's a pity when the only footballing pleasure that we get this weekend is seeing our former beloved manager losing in the league cup final. Perhaps there is a god. I shouldn't be petty but bloody well done Liverpool.

In the first half the two boys from Fulham were the only Watford players able to take on their men or pass to feet. Our passing was woeful, Yeates poor, Deeney laboured, the back 4 poorly protected by midfield. The goalie was Man Utds 4th choice, i expect he had forgotten some of the rules - he seemed well off the pace. His best contribution being fast and accurate throws to the fullbacks. Surprised to see our impact sub Iwelumo not in Scotland squad. This season seems to be rolling into so many others. Just waiting for Richard Short to tell the crowd they are the 12th man to get those vital next 3 points. I will renew, because at the end of the day what else is their to moan about when you live in Watford.

watford4evermore wrote:

hornets09 wrote:
I will seriously consider not renewing next season. I dont like the current set up at all. Cant get my head around Ross Wilson picking players to sign for the team. Far too many signings that have failed in my opinion either on loan or permanent. I never have been a fan of Sean Dyche. Loach has virtually been destroyed by the failure to bring in a loan keeper months ago.!!The persistence in playing Doyley, the team actually had a mini revival when he was out and since hes been back, although its not all his fault, the team have gone backwards too. Iwelumo has been a complete disaster, Garner looks too lightweight at this level and Yeates has shown why he has had so many clubs. Hogg and Nosworthy have proved succesful. Buaben will never get a good run with Eustace and Hogg fit. Forsythe continues to frustrate and i cant even remember the centre backs name who came from Scunthorpe, another one out of his depth. All in all its a complete mess, the ground, tannoy system, size of the crowd,the pitch, the team, management, and ownership, supported the team for 44 years, i face a tough decision to renew taking all that into consideration.!!

ive got 5 season tickets in the vicarage rd end and im not gonna renew next season either, i cant stand the football (if you can call it that)that we are playing under dyche but i think all the bassini bashers have got it wrong, everything he said he was going to do he has done so whas the problem?we have the corner being finished a new east stand coming hes given money for players i just wish he could see how crap dyche is!!!

Well we agree on the football but not on bassini. WHEN the corner is finished, the new east stand is built, the red lion and Harrys are re-opened, then he will have done what he said he would.

lutondown wrote:

buckler wrote:

Oracledave wrote:

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote: Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

A lot of self congratulation and back slapping for a piece of work with serious intellectual limitations. First, who said the club lacked ambition ? What it undoubtedly lacks is finance but that is not the same thing. The realistic ambition will always be survival with maybe a season where a top six finish affords at the least opportunity for a repeat of the Boothroyd achievement - now acknowledged by most observers (and confirmed by subsequent events) to be significantly driven by luck ! Or do the crowd want to hear grandiose statements promising promotion on a shoestring ? Would that count as demonstrating 'ambition' ? West Ham and Southampton are where they are because of Gold/Sullivan and a Swiss billionaire. That does not guarantee success (ref ; Leicester) but it does give you a hell of a start ! True supporters can live with this reality and turn up every week to support the 'golden boys'

I bet you dont get any back slapping clever boy? Lets just wait and see?

But i bet he's perpetually nagged by his Mrs, eh Buck?

Once more the rebuttals consists of 'jokes' with not a serious counter argument to any of the substantive points, in sight.

Why on earth might that be ? I invite conjecture !!!

Oracledave wrote:

lutondown wrote:

buckler wrote:

Oracledave wrote:

buckler wrote:

garston edl wrote: Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

I'm with you as always! Where you been? Is that banner ready just in case?

A lot of self congratulation and back slapping for a piece of work with serious intellectual limitations. First, who said the club lacked ambition ? What it undoubtedly lacks is finance but that is not the same thing. The realistic ambition will always be survival with maybe a season where a top six finish affords at the least opportunity for a repeat of the Boothroyd achievement - now acknowledged by most observers (and confirmed by subsequent events) to be significantly driven by luck ! Or do the crowd want to hear grandiose statements promising promotion on a shoestring ? Would that count as demonstrating 'ambition' ? West Ham and Southampton are where they are because of Gold/Sullivan and a Swiss billionaire. That does not guarantee success (ref ; Leicester) but it does give you a hell of a start ! True supporters can live with this reality and turn up every week to support the 'golden boys'

I bet you dont get any back slapping clever boy? Lets just wait and see?

But i bet he's perpetually nagged by his Mrs, eh Buck?

Once more the rebuttals consists of 'jokes' with not a serious counter argument to any of the substantive points, in sight.

Why on earth might that be ? I invite conjecture !!!

Well I've been one of those true supporters since the early seventies when gates went down to 3-5000 under Kirby , Keen and co.
That is what happens Monocled one when the football is dire, prospects are zero and we accept our pitiful state.
We are where we are, not because we are in our rightful place but because we accept mediocrity. That along with total mismanagement of our club since SEJ Departed.
Sadly the passion has been sucked out of our club and replaced by a liberal middle class type of supporter.
As a young lad it was the raw passion of match day that was the attraction.

Well said lutondown, stick to sensible posts rather than getting involved in the insults on here. I responded to oracle with a sensible post which it would appear he has ignored. We are 'true' fans and the club is in a mess. Simply saying ignore this mess and turn up every week isn't offering any kind of solution.

We showed against Spurs that we can pass the ball and play well , Sean Dyche must take responsibility for the way we played , We just kicked the ball up the field with no accuracy , The full backs need replacing with players that can pass as it breaks down when they give it away so cheaply and lets the opposition know how to plat against us., What do they do in training everday ? ,As soon as they start hoofing Dyche should be screaming at them on the touchline to pass to each other . We need a massive reaction against Burnley on Saturday .

Changing tack, is it widely that Baz has already banked 2012/13 season ticket money having done a deal with a ticketing agency?

Couldn't agree more with the posts re doyley and on how his return to the team has also returned us to poor results.I do not put the blame soley at his feet but as i said when they were signed i live near portsmouth and know many pompey lads and to a man they all said they were glad to see the back of dickinson and hogg was a real worker who they were sad to see going.I know injuries have forced sd's hand but surely the lad thompson could have filled one of these plaves he's not an international player for nothing is he?.Complacency can be a dangerous tool we saw it when all the youngsters were shipped out from the old never has beens and now we seem to be in a safe position it seems to have appeared again.Ive no real opinion on baz but a friend of mine say's that everytime he passes the pub it seems to be in the same state.Dosn't sound like an up and running project to me

We should have been confident of getting all 3 points prior to the match as Southampton had won 18 points away from home prior to Saturday and we've won 15 points away and we've been quite poor away from The Vic. Had we maintained the recent home form we'd have won as despite the 3-0 scoreline, Southampton weren't that good which makes the defeat even worse.
We clearly missed Hodson on the right as when he's in the team we have some width and he makes runs and crosses unlike the 'headless chicken' Doyley who runs forward with his head down and then stops and passes the ball backwards every time.We also miss young Murray as Yeates, apart from his occasional deadball skills is one of the worst 'wingers' (joke) I've ever seen as he never goes past anyone and backs out of all tackles, Dickinson isn't much better, great discription in an earlier post calling them Phil & Grant Mitchell as they're about as effective footballing wise.
As for renewing season tickets, prior to this season I had a 2 hour round trip and approx. 150 miles, but this season with my daughter at University I have around a 4 hour trip and over 240 miles. I'll still renew my season ticket as wherever I live the Hornets will always be in my blood and I've seen worse times and better times so I'll continue as long as I can physically and financially make it, which I hope is many more years yet.

Bogsider wrote:
We showed against Spurs that we can pass the ball and play well , Sean Dyche must take responsibility for the way we played , We just kicked the ball up the field with no accuracy , The full backs need replacing with players that can pass as it breaks down when they give it away so cheaply and lets the opposition know how to plat against us., What do they do in training everday ? ,As soon as they start hoofing Dyche should be screaming at them on the touchline to pass to each other . We need a massive reaction against Burnley on Saturday .

I agree Bogsider. I admire what Dyche has achieved this season but there can be no excuse for what we witnessed on Saturday. Southampton managed to pass the ball on our shoddy pitch so we should pass the ball. It was hideous, turgid stuff and we deserved to lose. The frustrating thing was that a handful of our players were working hard and not looking too bad individually. But the lack of coherency was alarming and depressing. I'm sure we'll be ok this season and I'm grateful for that. But Sean, can you please, please, please drill it in to them: NO HOOFING. We're better than that. And it pains me to say this but if Doyley can't do otherwise then yes, drop him.

watford4evermore wrote:

hornets09 wrote:
I will seriously consider not renewing next season. I dont like the current set up at all. Cant get my head around Ross Wilson picking players to sign for the team. Far too many signings that have failed in my opinion either on loan or permanent. I never have been a fan of Sean Dyche. Loach has virtually been destroyed by the failure to bring in a loan keeper months ago.!!The persistence in playing Doyley, the team actually had a mini revival when he was out and since hes been back, although its not all his fault, the team have gone backwards too. Iwelumo has been a complete disaster, Garner looks too lightweight at this level and Yeates has shown why he has had so many clubs. Hogg and Nosworthy have proved succesful. Buaben will never get a good run with Eustace and Hogg fit. Forsythe continues to frustrate and i cant even remember the centre backs name who came from Scunthorpe, another one out of his depth. All in all its a complete mess, the ground, tannoy system, size of the crowd,the pitch, the team, management, and ownership, supported the team for 44 years, i face a tough decision to renew taking all that into consideration.!!

ive got 5 season tickets in the vicarage rd end and im not gonna renew next season either, i cant stand the football (if you can call it that)that we are playing under dyche but i think all the bassini bashers have got it wrong, everything he said he was going to do he has done so whas the problem?we have the corner being finished a new east stand coming hes given money for players i just wish he could see how crap dyche is!!!

Whether you renew or not for next year makes no difference to Baz - I understand that he's already trousered the money having done a deal on 2012/13 Season Ticket sales with a ticketing agency to get the money up front. Perhaps the WO could ask him about this when they next meet for another of their 'exclusive' cosy chats.

Kingswoodhornet wrote:
I think it's fair to say we were cr@p all over today. TK dropped one big time for the first. The second was a good finish into the bottom corner, I think it's more of a question as to why the defence allowed him time to have a punt rather than blame TK. And you can't really blame a keeper for not saving a penalty. What really peed me off today was that we couldn't string more than two passes together and we kept lumping it up to a well organised defence who never really looked in trouble against us. And to make things worse we kept doing it over and over again with no change of tactics from the sidelines. We've turned ourselves over today against an average looking side. Still at least "we've learnt fom last weeks experiences at Crystal Palace" Another SD gem! I'm really clutching at straws here but didn't Tony Coton have a mare on his debut?

Conceded 5 at home to Everton. Never rated Coton anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!

OUCH!!

Totally outclassed.

Our new goalie had a rush of blood on their first goal but there again from six yards out Lambert had a free header as Nyron who was marking him failed to jump.

3.0 was flattering but we wont be playing the saints every week.

As for blaming Dyche not sure that hi is doing that badly given his resources, and blaming Baz is also unfair. he has done what he said he would do so far. The players seem to do their best and some like hogg have exceeded expectations but the rotten attendances would be somewhere to start with

Ok we have two recent losses then before that three wins and a drawer... three losses before that and a run of seven or eight without defeat and we are still one of the worst supported teams in the league.

look at your mates who dont turn up and the library like rookery at times and then you really start to see the truth...we get what we deserve but apparently blame everyone but ourselves

Chris the vic why would ppl want to spend their cash in these difficult times to come to the vic with no atmosphere and that very very poor standard of football.Also when your manager has a quote that before the palace game he knew the side wern't up for it.Dosn't inspire me at all and ive been thru thick and thin with the team like the rest of you

It was not great I have to admit. I don't normally leave early but the sign of Big Chris coming on was enough. Where was Massey. Surely he is the future and not some lumbering oaf (who apparently is one of the highest earners at the club) who hopefully will be released in the summer. I will renew my ticket for next season and for every season I'm still around but that doesn't mean I accept displays like this or the ambition the club has. I do appreciate the fact though, that we can't compete with other clubs without putting the future of WFC in jeopardy. We were in the poop money wise and are trying to do things the right way rather than just go in to administration which seems to work in other clubs favour and is wrong. Portsmouth I have no sympathy for as despite going in to administration twice before still has players on £1.5 a year so they only have themselves to blame. The pitch was always going to be an issue again and can only hope that we send Sarries packing at the end of the year. No matter how much money it's worth the kind of football we and the opposition (Southampton are a much better side than they showed on Saturday) are forced to play will lose us fans and of course their money.
Saturday
Kusczak. Horrible error for the first goal but looked a lot more confident than Loach has recently. Distribution was better as well. Should be a good signing.
Doyley. Awful as usual. No coincidence, as mentioned by others, that the best run of the season came without him. Has zero footballing abilty.
Mariappa and Nosworthy. Had their worst game as a pair since they came together. Not helped by those in front of them.
Dickinson. The only option so we have to live with it. Thompson and Hodson are both right sided and Doyley is rubbish. Robbo back in the summer???!!!
Yeates. Actually produced a cross from open play for our only decent chance of the game that either Eustace or Trotta should have scored from. Poor apart from this.
Hogg and Eustace. You can normally rely on these two but even they had bad games. Hogg was the worst I've seen from him. Hopefully a one off.
The Fulham bloke.
One run at the end of the first half showed what he is capable of. We never gave him the ball again in an advanced position
Deeney did what he always does and works hard. Will never score a load of goals but with somebody playing with him that does he might be ok.
Trotta. Had some nice touches and held the ball up well but we gave him nothing in or around the box to show his scoring capabilities.
Not one player had a good game. At two or three down where was Bauben who might have been able to create something. No we bring on CI. Genius
I miss the next couple due to holiday so for everybody that will be there I hope it improves.
Whatever happens I will always be there as it's in the blood.
COYGB

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

probably with 'garston edl' as your name i think people will usually just dismiss anything after edl.... no wonder your surprised to get noticed

I guess Le Park the answer is simple.

No major investor will pour money into WFC.

As such if we want better we as fans need to put monies through the turnstiles or wa stay with what we have..mediocrity.

many will remember 20 years ago how small the support for Reading was and it was matched by their standing. Now they are a bigger and better club than us. we need to back baz in the next couple of years with better attendances and hope we can improve both on and off the field.
If we stay with small attendances then we will be a small club.
Dyche I think does his best with what he has and maybe he is too honest at times but better an optomist etc.

Chris the Vic wrote:
I guess Le Park the answer is simple. No major investor will pour money into WFC. As such if we want better we as fans need to put monies through the turnstiles or wa stay with what we have..mediocrity. many will remember 20 years ago how small the support for Reading was and it was matched by their standing. Now they are a bigger and better club than us. we need to back baz in the next couple of years with better attendances and hope we can improve both on and off the field. If we stay with small attendances then we will be a small club. Dyche I think does his best with what he has and maybe he is too honest at times but better an optomist etc.

I think this is a fair summary. I suppose it is arguable that Madjeski's millions - the new stadium and the sustainable rubby share, came first and then Reading's progress and support followed.

Strangely, though they have not had much more 'Prem time' than the 'Orns.

Interesting to see what effect the the Russian millions will have. Already in the plus since the new owner's girl friend is 'drop dead gorgeous'.

Anyone know what Baz's missus looks like !?

Oracledave wrote:

Chris the Vic wrote:
I guess Le Park the answer is simple. No major investor will pour money into WFC. As such if we want better we as fans need to put monies through the turnstiles or wa stay with what we have..mediocrity. many will remember 20 years ago how small the support for Reading was and it was matched by their standing. Now they are a bigger and better club than us. we need to back baz in the next couple of years with better attendances and hope we can improve both on and off the field. If we stay with small attendances then we will be a small club. Dyche I think does his best with what he has and maybe he is too honest at times but better an optomist etc.

I think this is a fair summary. I suppose it is arguable that Madjeski's millions - the new stadium and the sustainable rubby share, came first and then Reading's progress and support followed.

Strangely, though they have not had much more 'Prem time' than the 'Orns.

Interesting to see what effect the the Russian millions will have. Already in the plus since the new owner's girl friend is 'drop dead gorgeous'.

Anyone know what Baz's missus looks like !?

Unlike Yeats , She is quite "Fit" actually !

Lost two games and the doom and gloom merchants are back.
I wonder how Harry Rednapp feels

KeithMercer wrote:

garston edl wrote:

Johnny Ryden wrote:

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post Garston, I see Nigel Adkins was critical of the pitch today and that's an opposition manager with 3 points in the bag! The passing game is not going to be seen much more this season on that bobbly pitch, teams wil close us down and make it a scrap. Roll on that Saracens free era we are always promised!

Thanks. I just want to see a bit of hope on and off the pitch. I am slowly losing interest in my club and if I'm thinking like that how many other, loyal fans are?! I will always follow them and I will make sure my young lad follows them but going to watch Watford is simply not an exciting prospect anymore! Yes the spurs game was good as was the atmosphere but the fact that we all waxed lyrical about it is probably more to do with the other games and atmospheres being so dire! We need to generate some life into our support and a Watford only pub and a decent bar like Harrys was could help this. On the pitch we need some intelligent, ambitious, innovative management. Mackay and dyche are too obsessed with 'lack of resource' and were/are happy to just survive. That may in reality be our level but if you aim higher, who knows? Look at wat boothroyd did in that one magical, exciting, crowd pleasing season!

Garston Edl you speak a lot of sense , and I think you are not alone in your views. Just hope we can get these points we need double quickly and get this season behind us.
Just dont say these things too loudly ! or you will feel the wrath of Mr Magoo,stoney77 and his chums.

Keith you really are a total muppet. You are the only person on this forum that I actually dislike. You stink of hypocrisy, have double standards and come across as very immature. This is the last time I will bother responding to you, you tool. Finally just to say there are some good valid points on this thread. Nice to see some good discussion, shame Keith cannot add to it without his usual hypocrisy, double standards and immaturity.

Stoney77 wrote:

KeithMercer wrote:

garston edl wrote:

Johnny Ryden wrote:

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post Garston, I see Nigel Adkins was critical of the pitch today and that's an opposition manager with 3 points in the bag! The passing game is not going to be seen much more this season on that bobbly pitch, teams wil close us down and make it a scrap. Roll on that Saracens free era we are always promised!

Thanks. I just want to see a bit of hope on and off the pitch. I am slowly losing interest in my club and if I'm thinking like that how many other, loyal fans are?! I will always follow them and I will make sure my young lad follows them but going to watch Watford is simply not an exciting prospect anymore! Yes the spurs game was good as was the atmosphere but the fact that we all waxed lyrical about it is probably more to do with the other games and atmospheres being so dire! We need to generate some life into our support and a Watford only pub and a decent bar like Harrys was could help this. On the pitch we need some intelligent, ambitious, innovative management. Mackay and dyche are too obsessed with 'lack of resource' and were/are happy to just survive. That may in reality be our level but if you aim higher, who knows? Look at wat boothroyd did in that one magical, exciting, crowd pleasing season!

Garston Edl you speak a lot of sense , and I think you are not alone in your views. Just hope we can get these points we need double quickly and get this season behind us.
Just dont say these things too loudly ! or you will feel the wrath of Mr Magoo,stoney77 and his chums.

Keith you really are a total muppet. You are the only person on this forum that I actually dislike. You stink of hypocrisy, have double standards and come across as very immature. This is the last time I will bother responding to you, you tool. Finally just to say there are some good valid points on this thread. Nice to see some good discussion, shame Keith cannot add to it without his usual hypocrisy, double standards and immaturity.

Stoney why get so personal?
I think what Keith Mercer is saying is that if anyone dare has an opinion that some see as negative, certain people sling mud,revoking reaction.
I will do it anyway people like. Treat me with respect I will reciprocate, regardless of view.
Insult me, expect it back with interest.
What I must add, Keith Mercer, what a player one of my old favourites. Anyone remember Laurie Craker, career cut short by injury?

BigChris4 wrote:

garston edl wrote:
Glad to see my posts finally getting the recognition they deserve!!! I have to say I am particularly impressed with these current literary masterpieces!! Maybe I should forward them on to LB, GT and SD to discuss at their nex board meeting?!

probably with 'garston edl' as your name i think people will usually just dismiss anything after edl.... no wonder your surprised to get noticed

I would respond to this post but I haven't got a clue what you're on about. Try again using a better standard of English!

Stoney77 wrote:

KeithMercer wrote:

garston edl wrote:

Johnny Ryden wrote:

garston edl wrote:
We will not go down this season, in fact we probably only need 2 or 3 more points to be safe(thankfully and incredibly there are 3 worse teams than us!) However, everyone at WFC must now make sure that this season does not end as weakly as the last 2 seasons. On the pitch, we should use the remaining games to play players who will play a part next season, including our own youngsters. Ross Wilson and dyche must immediately start targeting better players ready for next season.We have some cash, spend it wisely and give us some hope for a season of more than just survival. Off the pitch bass must now show actions not just talk. I want to see a new pitch, a re-opened red lion and a re-opened Harrys bar and the east stand knocked down by the start of august. The plans for next season must start now otherwise we will lose more and more fans who are fed up of empty words, lack of action and starting every season with no ambition. I also don't want to hear anymore talk of 'lack of redources' if GT and boothroyd had taken that attitude we would never have played in the top flight. A massive 5 months ahead for WFC.

Good post Garston, I see Nigel Adkins was critical of the pitch today and that's an opposition manager with 3 points in the bag! The passing game is not going to be seen much more this season on that bobbly pitch, teams wil close us down and make it a scrap. Roll on that Saracens free era we are always promised!

Thanks. I just want to see a bit of hope on and off the pitch. I am slowly losing interest in my club and if I'm thinking like that how many other, loyal fans are?! I will always follow them and I will make sure my young lad follows them but going to watch Watford is simply not an exciting prospect anymore! Yes the spurs game was good as was the atmosphere but the fact that we all waxed lyrical about it is probably more to do with the other games and atmospheres being so dire! We need to generate some life into our support and a Watford only pub and a decent bar like Harrys was could help this. On the pitch we need some intelligent, ambitious, innovative management. Mackay and dyche are too obsessed with 'lack of resource' and were/are happy to just survive. That may in reality be our level but if you aim higher, who knows? Look at wat boothroyd did in that one magical, exciting, crowd pleasing season!

Garston Edl you speak a lot of sense , and I think you are not alone in your views. Just hope we can get these points we need double quickly and get this season behind us.
Just dont say these things too loudly ! or you will feel the wrath of Mr Magoo,stoney77 and his chums.

Keith you really are a total muppet. You are the only person on this forum that I actually dislike. You stink of hypocrisy, have double standards and come across as very immature. This is the last time I will bother responding to you, you tool. Finally just to say there are some good valid points on this thread. Nice to see some good discussion, shame Keith cannot add to it without his usual hypocrisy, double standards and immaturity.

I am most disappointed with your comments directed at our Keith! Not what you say about him more the fact he is the only person on here you dislike! What about me stoner, honestly I try me best!