Hornets 'working' on Hall deal (From Watford Observer)

ConradT wrote:
If the club are not going to buy the players to do the job, they should have stuck with Dyche. Zola is going to be lost in the Championship developing new talent, where as Dyche clearly demonstrated that he can do the job. Eleventh may not seem much to the Pozzos, but it was incredible given the circumstance. I imagine that there will be a major rethink before the end of the season, and will be very surprised if Zola starts the next unless players are brought in.

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

Yeah get over Dyche. I did and I was a big fan of what he achieved. But agree with LD that the football was often unpleasant and I always said so. Football teams should play attractive football. It is a manager's duty to work towards that. With Zola we can progress and I'm glad he sees some potential in what he's inherited. To go for wholesale change of players straightaway is really dangerous. Would take ages to get results. I expect with a couple of decent strikers and a solid defence we will hurt teams this year. Zola will sort out the striker situation as a priority.

jasonwatford wrote:
i went to game today and left 15 mins into 2nd half.....no striker on either half and jenkins made me leave. I know preseasons mean nothing but what i saw today was dribble

Bringe wrote:

jasonwatford wrote:
i went to game today and left 15 mins into 2nd half.....no striker on either half and jenkins made me leave. I know preseasons mean nothing but what i saw today was dribble

Funny post of the day .. congrats

lutondown wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

Yeah get over Dyche. I did and I was a big fan of what he achieved. But agree with LD that the football was often unpleasant and I always said so. Football teams should play attractive football. It is a manager's duty to work towards that. With Zola we can progress and I'm glad he sees some potential in what he's inherited. To go for wholesale change of players straightaway is really dangerous. Would take ages to get results. I expect with a couple of decent strikers and a solid defence we will hurt teams this year. Zola will sort out the striker situation as a priority.

And if we get Hall in (I understand he is WFC player) our defence looks quiet meaty, not to mention Ariel threat at set pieces
I like what Zola is saying, the style he is looking to implement and the fact it will be a mix of old and new. Shrewd is my thinking.
Agree with Bush, I think we could be a proposition this year, but maybe a bit of patience eh?

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

Yeah get over Dyche. I did and I was a big fan of what he achieved. But agree with LD that the football was often unpleasant and I always said so. Football teams should play attractive football. It is a manager's duty to work towards that. With Zola we can progress and I'm glad he sees some potential in what he's inherited. To go for wholesale change of players straightaway is really dangerous. Would take ages to get results. I expect with a couple of decent strikers and a solid defence we will hurt teams this year. Zola will sort out the striker situation as a priority.

And if we get Hall in (I understand he is WFC player) our defence looks quiet meaty, not to mention Ariel threat at set pieces
I like what Zola is saying, the style he is looking to implement and the fact it will be a mix of old and new. Shrewd is my thinking.
Agree with Bush, I think we could be a proposition this year, but maybe a bit of patience eh?

Yes patience required. Defence should be solid enough and if we can knick goals thru set pieces then all well and good. Sorry to hear about Jason's experience today. But I like dribble if it gets somewhere...whose dribble really caught the eye?

JohnnyHornet wrote:
I dribble as well, why don't they invent something useful like tenamen, we have it in footy we gotta elevenamen playing footy, and we've played with tenamen before so if you wanna stop the dribble have a man sent off.

lutondown wrote:

JohnnyHornet wrote:
I dribble as well, why don't they invent something useful like tenamen, we have it in footy we gotta elevenamen playing footy, and we've played with tenamen before so if you wanna stop the dribble have a man sent off.

profound stuff Johnny
WOW

hornets66 wrote:
As I said there is a good reason why no one has signed.... Think about it guys

ConradT wrote:
If the club are not going to buy the players to do the job, they should have stuck with Dyche. Zola is going to be lost in the Championship developing new talent, where as Dyche clearly demonstrated that he can do the job. Eleventh may not seem much to the Pozzos, but it was incredible given the circumstance. I imagine that there will be a major rethink before the end of the season, and will be very surprised if Zola starts the next unless players are brought in.

hornets66 wrote:
No... I have heard that the takeover was not straight forward and the club was in a real mess. There was a no. Of conditions (5) placed on the club by league including transfer restrictions in and out. Some have now been lifted but incoming still not. Hall and alumina will be officially named as sonn as conditions lifted.

hornets66 wrote:
Believe what you want bringe....
I tried to give you some useful info on here instead of the usual tosh... Zolas own words "working it" why do you think it took 3 days after mp had medical and agreed terms b4 they could announce.. Maybe I shouldn't bother again.

hornets66 wrote:
Believe what you want bringe....
I tried to give you some useful info on here instead of the usual tosh... Zolas own words "working it" why do you think it took 3 days after mp had medical and agreed terms b4 they could announce.. Maybe I shouldn't bother again.

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

Bringe wrote:

hornets66 wrote:
Believe what you want bringe....
I tried to give you some useful info on here instead of the usual tosh... Zolas own words "working it" why do you think it took 3 days after mp had medical and agreed terms b4 they could announce.. Maybe I shouldn't bother again.

Signed on the Monday announced on Tuesday ... Try dealing in facts and not your own little fantasies

SAHornet wrote:

ConradT wrote:
If the club are not going to buy the players to do the job, they should have stuck with Dyche. Zola is going to be lost in the Championship developing new talent, where as Dyche clearly demonstrated that he can do the job. Eleventh may not seem much to the Pozzos, but it was incredible given the circumstance. I imagine that there will be a major rethink before the end of the season, and will be very surprised if Zola starts the next unless players are brought in.

Unbelievable....... utterly, utterly unbelievable!

ConradT wrote:

SAHornet wrote:

ConradT wrote:
If the club are not going to buy the players to do the job, they should have stuck with Dyche. Zola is going to be lost in the Championship developing new talent, where as Dyche clearly demonstrated that he can do the job. Eleventh may not seem much to the Pozzos, but it was incredible given the circumstance. I imagine that there will be a major rethink before the end of the season, and will be very surprised if Zola starts the next unless players are brought in.

Unbelievable....... utterly, utterly unbelievable!

If the squad isn't going to be added to much, remembering that we have lost some important players (Mapps, Loach and Deeney) who need to be replaced before we even get back into the black, and virtually all the younger talent linked to us is completely unknown, and all the known talent are seniors, I have a concern. I'm all for Zola and a beautiful game, and it is great that he will be developing the younger players, but it ain't gonna happen over night, and probably not even in a season. What I am saying is that unless we make wholesale changes to the current squad (and I don't care if they are bargain bucket or 'marquee' names), Zola is going to struggle. I mentioned Dyche because he was our most recent manager, but could have suggested many more managers from the Championship or League One who would be better equipped on paper to tough it out in the Championship with a team playing to it's strengths, but I am pretty confident that Zola has little experience of it and is like as not ill prepared for such a situation, therefore, he needs players in his team that can play his game, giving him time to bring on players who are new to it. He is indicating here that this may not be the case.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, I like the vision, but I am not sure if he will be the man that see's it through with us unless we get a good few more players in.

Unlike with Vialli this is not a vision built around an individual, it is about the Pozzos and their vision, and if Zola can't do the job, they will get someone who can (at least I hope they will if it comes to it!)

Bringe wrote:

ConradT wrote:

SAHornet wrote:

ConradT wrote:
If the club are not going to buy the players to do the job, they should have stuck with Dyche. Zola is going to be lost in the Championship developing new talent, where as Dyche clearly demonstrated that he can do the job. Eleventh may not seem much to the Pozzos, but it was incredible given the circumstance. I imagine that there will be a major rethink before the end of the season, and will be very surprised if Zola starts the next unless players are brought in.

Unbelievable....... utterly, utterly unbelievable!

If the squad isn't going to be added to much, remembering that we have lost some important players (Mapps, Loach and Deeney) who need to be replaced before we even get back into the black, and virtually all the younger talent linked to us is completely unknown, and all the known talent are seniors, I have a concern. I'm all for Zola and a beautiful game, and it is great that he will be developing the younger players, but it ain't gonna happen over night, and probably not even in a season. What I am saying is that unless we make wholesale changes to the current squad (and I don't care if they are bargain bucket or 'marquee' names), Zola is going to struggle. I mentioned Dyche because he was our most recent manager, but could have suggested many more managers from the Championship or League One who would be better equipped on paper to tough it out in the Championship with a team playing to it's strengths, but I am pretty confident that Zola has little experience of it and is like as not ill prepared for such a situation, therefore, he needs players in his team that can play his game, giving him time to bring on players who are new to it. He is indicating here that this may not be the case.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, I like the vision, but I am not sure if he will be the man that see's it through with us unless we get a good few more players in.

Unlike with Vialli this is not a vision built around an individual, it is about the Pozzos and their vision, and if Zola can't do the job, they will get someone who can (at least I hope they will if it comes to it!)

Five loans and two signings is pretty wholesale if you ask me and we have the likes of Mingoia, Wichelow and Thompson who should thrive under Zola as will some of the others that didn't suit Dyches game.
Your pessimism is totally unfounded because quality football works in this league and that's what we're getting. against all odds Zola toughed it out in the Premiership with key players getting sold from under his feet, I really can't see a problem.

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

Bringe wrote:
These are anything but journeymen except for Hall, every one of the others has been bought as an investment. Already the two we have had have been the outstanding players in the two games we've played. Just understand that Udinese are Serie A Champions league qualifiers, they aren't stocking up on rubbish to palm off to anybody yet alone us.

We may struggle at first but If we don't finish top six I'll eat my proverbial hat.

corbindallas wrote:

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

You are talking utter crud about first hand experience are you seriously suggesting clubs were not loaning players to us because Sean Dyche was manager, utter rubbish! We have had some great loans in Dyches season with us Weimann (recalled),Kightly, Nosworthy (signed), Kačaniklić, Beattie (unfit), Trotta (not needed), Kuszczak. Aston Villa, Wolves, Fulham, Man Utd, Sunderland, Swansea all were/are Prem clubs! Dyche made mistakes in his first season, but also showed signs of a great manager in the making with his tactical changes and need I remind you where we finished despite the constraints, we await to see Zolas contribution as a Championship manager for comparison, but I know one thing it better be higher than Dyches season with the resources now available to help him. Also you are a fine one to talk about not giving Zola time when you did not give Dyche the same to start with, does that not make you sound someone with double standards! Dyche with the wider network of scouts, indeed with the resources of better funds may be a better manager than Zola and has more experince blooded in the Championship, so to now put him down as just a holding manager is a disgrace, YOU are one thing for sure lutondown and that is a FICKLE fan!

lutondown wrote:

corbindallas wrote:

lutondown wrote:
No, Dyche did a holding job, the club are looking to progress not to just make the numbers up. Dyches hand was forced a lot last season and the dice rolled well for him, but let's take those rose tinted glasses off we did play some dreadful stuff as well.
The Pozzos have bought the club to reach the Prem, and they have appointed a coach to attract players from a much wider spectrum thn Sean ever could. I know first hand that teams like Chelsea are reluctant to to loan out to teams that do not embrace a passing style of game, like said Zola opens that door for us.
What makes me die is how the Dyche fans were willing to give him as much time as he needed to settle in to the role but not giving Zola any? Get over it chaps, this is Watford now and it's very different to the past

You are talking utter crud about first hand experience are you seriously suggesting clubs were not loaning players to us because Sean Dyche was manager, utter rubbish! We have had some great loans in Dyches season with us Weimann (recalled),Kightly, Nosworthy (signed), Kačaniklić, Beattie (unfit), Trotta (not needed), Kuszczak. Aston Villa, Wolves, Fulham, Man Utd, Sunderland, Swansea all were/are Prem clubs! Dyche made mistakes in his first season, but also showed signs of a great manager in the making with his tactical changes and need I remind you where we finished despite the constraints, we await to see Zolas contribution as a Championship manager for comparison, but I know one thing it better be higher than Dyches season with the resources now available to help him. Also you are a fine one to talk about not giving Zola time when you did not give Dyche the same to start with, does that not make you sound someone with double standards! Dyche with the wider network of scouts, indeed with the resources of better funds may be a better manager than Zola and has more experince blooded in the Championship, so to now put him down as just a holding manager is a disgrace, YOU are one thing for sure lutondown and that is a FICKLE fan!

Ah your related to an ex groundsman I have a current family member working at a top prem club.
I have whatever opinion I like Corby as you do yours
And in regard to Dyche and the time given him, I won't admit how wrong I was than I have. I don't care how much you liked Dyche he will never be a top coach and a lot of our football last year was pants.
Dyche and a wider scouting network? Smell the coffee you frigging woodentopcop we are now world wide.
Best thing for both of us is you don't read my posts, one thing for certain yours usually get an executive look over and dismissed as its normal dire tosh by me.
Now do me a favour go swivel

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no

rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no


rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no




rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

southernhornet wrote:
There surely has to be a reason behind the delay. Although I am not entirely happy with either Hall or Almunia I do think that Pudil looks like he could be a good loan deal for us and Abdi maybe although when do John Eustace and Hogg fit in to that alongside Abdi, I am unsure of how that would work.

It far too early to be calling the Zola team rubbish after the two first friendly matches. We do need to judge him over time, as we did with Dyche who performed way better than many of us expected. The football, wasn't great at times but we were very effective under Zola I'm sure the style will be different but it doesn't matter what our style it is it still has to be effective ie win us enough matches to finish in a position we would be happy with. Once I see the Spsurs game I will begin to make my very early judgements on Zola and the team

ConradT wrote:

southernhornet wrote:
There surely has to be a reason behind the delay. Although I am not entirely happy with either Hall or Almunia I do think that Pudil looks like he could be a good loan deal for us and Abdi maybe although when do John Eustace and Hogg fit in to that alongside Abdi, I am unsure of how that would work.

It far too early to be calling the Zola team rubbish after the two first friendly matches. We do need to judge him over time, as we did with Dyche who performed way better than many of us expected. The football, wasn't great at times but we were very effective under Zola I'm sure the style will be different but it doesn't matter what our style it is it still has to be effective ie win us enough matches to finish in a position we would be happy with. Once I see the Spsurs game I will begin to make my very early judgements on Zola and the team

I would like to say that I do not in any way think that Zola is a poor coach, and in my posts, I am not criticising the the new players. My point is that, given the source interview stating that we may not be making many more signings, they may not be enough for Zola to prove himself in the Championship.

I hope they are.

Bush Hornet wrote:
Glad we're all getting on again. Lovely day here in Shepherds Bush although the 2 squirrels in the garden behind seem a little agitated. I think they're both just a little bored

tommy gunn wrote:
Would you really expect Zola to say anything other than he is satisfied with the squad with a few additions,all managers say that.It would hardly be good for morale if he said otherwise.However,he may be saying one thing and thinking another.!!

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no





rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

You know Bri,the main problem here is we have a group of hard core Bas / Dyche fans who cannot admit at the very least that Bas was just about to hand our club over to the administrators. Dyche, did well, he exceeded expectations but a lot of things forced his hand, it was not always inspired thinking. I was wrong at my dismay when he was appointed, because he was all we could afford and he really gave it his best. I do wish him well, but again do not think he is ever going to be a top name manager. On this count I hope I'm very wrong again.
I repeat my assessment that had soppy cop frothing up, hedid a very good holding job.
So Bri, back to the Bassites they are twisted that a few of us saw through his facade and they saw him as the second coming, and it really is a terrible thing is envy!
I can still see when we are a prem club the posts slamming the Pozzos for ripping the heart out of the club, blubbering on about the mythical Watford way, how great it was under George Kirby blardy blah, simply because progress and change is hard for these dinosaurs to face.
Got to say it was good to see Corbys apparent anger, and I hope I spoiled his Sunday as much as he enhanced mine.

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no




rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no






rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

You know Bri,the main problem here is we have a group of hard core Bas / Dyche fans who cannot admit at the very least that Bas was just about to hand our club over to the administrators. Dyche, did well, he exceeded expectations but a lot of things forced his hand, it was not always inspired thinking. I was wrong at my dismay when he was appointed, because he was all we could afford and he really gave it his best. I do wish him well, but again do not think he is ever going to be a top name manager. On this count I hope I'm very wrong again.
I repeat my assessment that had soppy cop frothing up, hedid a very good holding job.
So Bri, back to the Bassites they are twisted that a few of us saw through his facade and they saw him as the second coming, and it really is a terrible thing is envy!
I can still see when we are a prem club the posts slamming the Pozzos for ripping the heart out of the club, blubbering on about the mythical Watford way, how great it was under George Kirby blardy blah, simply because progress and change is hard for these dinosaurs to face.
Got to say it was good to see Corbys apparent anger, and I hope I spoiled his Sunday as much as he enhanced mine.

LutonD, it appears our love-in maybe at an end which is a a shame.
You are in danger of becoming as blinkered in your love of the Pozzos as you were in your hatred of Big Bad Bas.
I'm delighted we are in the relatively safe hands of the Pozzos but don't feel that questioning any of their decisions means I'm hankering for Bas.

My point is purely that we will need a couple more quality additions (over those already lined up) if we are to challenge at the top of the table playing pretty football. Simple as that.

What do you think ?

jasonwatford wrote:
I just wanna say i hate gardening !!!

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
seems some still don`t get it. no one promised a team to gain promotion this season.

AngelHornet wrote:
Getting the feeling that there will be a press conference at the club where all new signings will be announced together. When that is...who knows

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
seems some still don`t get it. no one promised a team to gain promotion this season.

Not sure anyone is demanding a team to win promotion this season ? Would be good to have a team that can improve on last years finish though don't you agree ? Maybe flirt with a playoff spot?

lutondown wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
seems some still don`t get it. no one promised a team to gain promotion this season.

Not sure anyone is demanding a team to win promotion this season ? Would be good to have a team that can improve on last years finish though don't you agree ? Maybe flirt with a playoff spot?

No Quinny, promotion or bust. I'm already printing up Zola / Pozzo out flyers if we don't.
I'm really not in the least bit frightened of waking up next to a decapitated horse either.
Don Pozzo, ignore them statements I'm being forced to write them by someone by the nam of Bud Weiser, nasty piece of work. I really do like my gee gees whole!
Seriously, good football aka Swans. Will be a very good start, anything above that? All the better. Oh and I do see the new stand as a priority when your mentioned in the same breath as Peiro and co!

lutondown wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
seems some still don`t get it. no one promised a team to gain promotion this season.

Not sure anyone is demanding a team to win promotion this season ? Would be good to have a team that can improve on last years finish though don't you agree ? Maybe flirt with a playoff spot?

No Quinny, promotion or bust. I'm already printing up Zola / Pozzo out flyers if we don't.
I'm really not in the least bit frightened of waking up next to a decapitated horse either.
Don Pozzo, ignore them statements I'm being forced to write them by someone by the nam of Bud Weiser, nasty piece of work. I really do like my gee gees whole!
Seriously, good football aka Swans. Will be a very good start, anything above that? All the better. Oh and I do see the new stand as a priority when your mentioned in the same breath as Peiro and co!

Oh and Mickey I hear the Atkins is very good for people of your build

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no





rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

ok, what have people who have seen them play said about Belek, Vydra and Anya ?? - genuine question !
The 2 who have played in the friendlies to date sound reasonably promising, but are the more established of the potential loans.

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

lutondown wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
seems some still don`t get it. no one promised a team to gain promotion this season.

Not sure anyone is demanding a team to win promotion this season ? Would be good to have a team that can improve on last years finish though don't you agree ? Maybe flirt with a playoff spot?

No Quinny, promotion or bust. I'm already printing up Zola / Pozzo out flyers if we don't.
I'm really not in the least bit frightened of waking up next to a decapitated horse either.
Don Pozzo, ignore them statements I'm being forced to write them by someone by the nam of Bud Weiser, nasty piece of work. I really do like my gee gees whole!
Seriously, good football aka Swans. Will be a very good start, anything above that? All the better. Oh and I do see the new stand as a priority when your mentioned in the same breath as Peiro and co!

Oh and Mickey I hear the Atkins is very good for people of your build

You're not wrong, but it made my breath smell !

Any luck wth the "regaine" ?!!

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no






rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

ok, what have people who have seen them play said about Belek, Vydra and Anya ?? - genuine question !
The 2 who have played in the friendlies to date sound reasonably promising, but are the more established of the potential loans.

Try looking up a friend of mine in Vienna called Georgios Tapinos amoung other stuff he scouts for Olympiakos. And no he hasn't seen Vydra play live but has known about him for a few years. Says he's highly rated.... I also have a contact in the German FB who has at least heard of them. Go back to your bubble Mickey.

jasonwatford wrote:
can anyone smell that ??? by brother in laws...brother....hi

s wife sister husband...well their cousin on this nephews side who was adopted by the uncle of the in laws sister....he is one of top scouts in italy that knows all these people as he scouted them when they were 5 or 6 playing in the street when a neighbour called him. Well his brother has a step uncle with a world cup winners medal o prove it.....FACT FACT.....

jasonwatford wrote:
can anyone smell that ??? by brother in laws...brother....hi

s wife sister husband...well their cousin on this nephews side who was adopted by the uncle of the in laws sister....he is one of top scouts in italy that knows all these people as he scouted them when they were 5 or 6 playing in the street when a neighbour called him. Well his brother has a step uncle with a world cup winners medal o prove it.....FACT FACT.....

jasonwatford wrote:
i went to game today and left 15 mins into 2nd half.....no striker on either half and jenkins made me leave. I know preseasons mean nothing but what i saw today was dribble

lutondown wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no







rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

You know Bri,the main problem here is we have a group of hard core Bas / Dyche fans who cannot admit at the very least that Bas was just about to hand our club over to the administrators. Dyche, did well, he exceeded expectations but a lot of things forced his hand, it was not always inspired thinking. I was wrong at my dismay when he was appointed, because he was all we could afford and he really gave it his best. I do wish him well, but again do not think he is ever going to be a top name manager. On this count I hope I'm very wrong again.
I repeat my assessment that had soppy cop frothing up, hedid a very good holding job.
So Bri, back to the Bassites they are twisted that a few of us saw through his facade and they saw him as the second coming, and it really is a terrible thing is envy!
I can still see when we are a prem club the posts slamming the Pozzos for ripping the heart out of the club, blubbering on about the mythical Watford way, how great it was under George Kirby blardy blah, simply because progress and change is hard for these dinosaurs to face.
Got to say it was good to see Corbys apparent anger, and I hope I spoiled his Sunday as much as he enhanced mine.

LutonD, it appears our love-in maybe at an end which is a a shame.
You are in danger of becoming as blinkered in your love of the Pozzos as you were in your hatred of Big Bad Bas.
I'm delighted we are in the relatively safe hands of the Pozzos but don't feel that questioning any of their decisions means I'm hankering for Bas.

My point is purely that we will need a couple more quality additions (over those already lined up) if we are to challenge at the top of the table playing pretty football. Simple as that.

What do you think ?

Hatred of Bas? No mate just an awareness of his agenda. Still if I could earn a million that way I would.
Not blinkered in the least and aware of pitfalls, but trust in the Pozzo model as its proven.
My dig was not at you per se, but there are those on this site that get a tad bitchy when someone has an alternative view. Zola, has been it situ for two weeks or so, he's played two experimental games that mean nothing other than he gets to overlook things. The media are going mad and we are now being linked with everything and anybody. Zola has tried to douse that fire and is saying the right things.
We also have those in the supposed know, well I don't think they are, it is a tighter ship than before and it's their own suppositions that are trying to fuel the fire.
Zola in my opinion is having a look see and probably working hard behind the scenes to bring in the missing parts of the jigsaw.
Now come on all, the worse thing happening is we are back in the headlines ( if you think that's bad!) this time last year it was all about survival and avoiding administration.
To me it's an infinite improvement in the excitement department.

jasonwatford wrote:
can anyone smell that ??? by brother in laws...brother....hi

s wife sister husband...well their cousin on this nephews side who was adopted by the uncle of the in laws sister....he is one of top scouts in italy that knows all these people as he scouted them when they were 5 or 6 playing in the street when a neighbour called him. Well his brother has a step uncle with a world cup winners medal o prove it.....FACT FACT.....

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no





rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

You know Bri,the main problem here is we have a group of hard core Bas / Dyche fans who cannot admit at the very least that Bas was just about to hand our club over to the administrators. Dyche, did well, he exceeded expectations but a lot of things forced his hand, it was not always inspired thinking. I was wrong at my dismay when he was appointed, because he was all we could afford and he really gave it his best. I do wish him well, but again do not think he is ever going to be a top name manager. On this count I hope I'm very wrong again.
I repeat my assessment that had soppy cop frothing up, hedid a very good holding job.
So Bri, back to the Bassites they are twisted that a few of us saw through his facade and they saw him as the second coming, and it really is a terrible thing is envy!
I can still see when we are a prem club the posts slamming the Pozzos for ripping the heart out of the club, blubbering on about the mythical Watford way, how great it was under George Kirby blardy blah, simply because progress and change is hard for these dinosaurs to face.
Got to say it was good to see Corbys apparent anger, and I hope I spoiled his Sunday as much as he enhanced mine.

corbindallas wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
I share the concern that we will do very well to finish 11th with the squad we have at present, even if the trial players with us are signed. The 2 new names mentioned above have not achieved anything of note at wycombe/halesowen/no






rthampon/celta vigo B/sevilla B/aek athens "disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances".

I hope we don't become a dumping ground for Pozzo players that can't get a game elsewhere.

Odd that Hall & Almunia haven't yet signed when they were supposedly in the bag 3 days ago.

Right behind GZ but they need to give him the tools to do the job.

Go back to your Wiki and your FM2011 as you haven't got a clue. Ikecha Anya was a 16 year old when he started that long trail, he has since benefited from some top coaching and will eat up this league. Beleck was a star striker for AEK last season. Then there's Vydra who the Pozzo's rated enough to fork out £3m for before he got injured.
I think you'll find these lads will all end up playing at the highest level.

Whereas you know everything ? I guess the career stats on wiki must be wrong? Beleck - "AEK star striker" you say ?? 5 goals in 24 games "..At first, he disappointed AEK fans due to his poor performances, but later he managed to cement his place in the AEK first team..."

vydra (who has not played yet - unfit?) has only 9 career goals in 44 career games.

We are all entitled to opinions but I'd be amazed if the curent squad inc loans+Almunia will be challenging the top 6 after 10 games playing pretty football.

Numpty ... the Pozzo's do very well picking up good players for not much money and developing them ... Infact hey are masters at it.
You keep reading your Wicki, I'll keep listening to people that have at least seen them play.

You know Bri,the main problem here is we have a group of hard core Bas / Dyche fans who cannot admit at the very least that Bas was just about to hand our club over to the administrators. Dyche, did well, he exceeded expectations but a lot of things forced his hand, it was not always inspired thinking. I was wrong at my dismay when he was appointed, because he was all we could afford and he really gave it his best. I do wish him well, but again do not think he is ever going to be a top name manager. On this count I hope I'm very wrong again.
I repeat my assessment that had soppy cop frothing up, hedid a very good holding job.
So Bri, back to the Bassites they are twisted that a few of us saw through his facade and they saw him as the second coming, and it really is a terrible thing is envy!
I can still see when we are a prem club the posts slamming the Pozzos for ripping the heart out of the club, blubbering on about the mythical Watford way, how great it was under George Kirby blardy blah, simply because progress and change is hard for these dinosaurs to face.
Got to say it was good to see Corbys apparent anger, and I hope I spoiled his Sunday as much as he enhanced mine.

Get over it, it will do your head in if you keep going over it. My uncle was actually grounds manager, as you know I like pointing out full FACTS like my post re you. So just to be clear on yor views, anyone who has a opinion on Zola and the Pozzo's that questions them is immediatley anti them and a Bas/ Dyche lover who really can't get over them? There was only one angry person on Sunday clearly that was you in your response to being outed as fickle. I will never stop responding to ayones post that I want to respond to including yours, that is what this comment board is for debate, agreement, disagreement, information, FACTS, as you choose to disagree with all my posts, plice career choice (wonder why), relatives, information and above all clear FACTS that is your prerogative, guess what I will respect that, it is not the same as agreeing with them! Zola was a great footballer, he has to now prove he is a good manager, especially whilst he is in charge at Watford, comparing him to Dyche is a method of setting the standards expected as a minimum, therefore the challenge is harder for Zola , but he also will have a lot more assistance than Dyche ever got to achieve the minimum and exceed it, if he does not do that then he is a poor manager in my opinion. How anyone can say right now Zola is a better manager than Dyche is talking crud as there is nothing to compare on a like for like.Hopefully we storm the league this year but as highlighted we have yet to sign a single player or formulate a team better than last year, YET!

jasonwatford wrote:
Jenkins is in the same mould as Liam Henderson was..we are wasting money on him and he is frankly not good enough for the midfield players we have...you can only play a certain number of players there and he is not good enough. I dont wanna waste money simples......When i said about liam henderson here all you saddo here said how many goals he scored in the reserves and how good he would become ?? Where is he ?? In conference doing nothing. Jenkins will make a living in football but not at this level and upwards. So FORVERHORNS you get a life and stop looking for rose tinted glasses. Sometimes people are not good enough and thats just the way it is.

Bringe wrote:
I remember we all used to laugh at the old Ross whenever his name was announced ... and then one day he went and stuck 4 in the onionbag (against Scunny I think) ... soon shut us up and it proved to be the start of something really special.
Anyway I think we may have to wipe the slate clean with all of our players because Zola football might throw up a few surprises. Some will adapt better than others and it might not be the expected ones.

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:
I remember we all used to laugh at the old Ross whenever his name was announced ... and then one day he went and stuck 4 in the onionbag (against Scunny I think) ... soon shut us up and it proved to be the start of something really special.
Anyway I think we may have to wipe the slate clean with all of our players because Zola football might throw up a few surprises. Some will adapt better than others and it might not be the expected ones.

Slight correction. It was against Scunny, wet tuesday night 1-0 down half time, on come Bambi, netted a hat trick ( billy Jennings got two) and ended up 5-1 winners,
Think he really took off when GT come though!
Let's hope Zola improves everyone of them

Bringe wrote:
Corbs, Jason, Quinn ... you just don't get it - Just because you've never heard of these players doesn't make them unknown. Vydra in particular has been scouted by all the top German clubs. Ikechi Anya caused a big enough stir in this country when he emerged aged 16 and I should think every football fan in Greece knows who Beleck is ... The world does extend beyond our borders ... Se réveiller et sentir le café.

jasonwatford wrote:
i do find it strange about the goalkeeper situation...off to cork on tour and only the 2 young keepers who played ay wealdstone and borehamwood ..... Almunia lives in abbots langley so whats the issue ??

jasonwatford wrote:
i do find it strange about the goalkeeper situation...off to cork on tour and only the 2 young keepers who played ay wealdstone and borehamwood ..... Almunia lives in abbots langley so whats the issue ??

jasonwatford wrote:
Jenkins is in the same mould as Liam Henderson was..we are wasting money on him and he is frankly not good enough for the midfield players we have...you can only play a certain number of players there and he is not good enough. I dont wanna waste money simples......When i said about liam henderson here all you saddo here said how many goals he scored in the reserves and how good he would become ?? Where is he ?? In conference doing nothing. Jenkins will make a living in football but not at this level and upwards. So FORVERHORNS you get a life and stop looking for rose tinted glasses. Sometimes people are not good enough and thats just the way it is.

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:
I remember we all used to laugh at the old Ross whenever his name was announced ... and then one day he went and stuck 4 in the onionbag (against Scunny I think) ... soon shut us up and it proved to be the start of something really special.
Anyway I think we may have to wipe the slate clean with all of our players because Zola football might throw up a few surprises. Some will adapt better than others and it might not be the expected ones.

Slight correction. It was against Scunny, wet tuesday night 1-0 down half time, on come Bambi, netted a hat trick ( billy Jennings got two) and ended up 5-1 winners,
Think he really took off when GT come though!
Let's hope Zola improves everyone of them

Think he later got 4 against oxford didn't he ? All time hero. Shame he didn't get longer in the top league before the injuries took over.

Bringe wrote:

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bringe wrote:
I remember we all used to laugh at the old Ross whenever his name was announced ... and then one day he went and stuck 4 in the onionbag (against Scunny I think) ... soon shut us up and it proved to be the start of something really special.
Anyway I think we may have to wipe the slate clean with all of our players because Zola football might throw up a few surprises. Some will adapt better than others and it might not be the expected ones.

Slight correction. It was against Scunny, wet tuesday night 1-0 down half time, on come Bambi, netted a hat trick ( billy Jennings got two) and ended up 5-1 winners,
Think he really took off when GT come though!
Let's hope Zola improves everyone of them

Think he later got 4 against oxford didn't he ? All time hero. Shame he didn't get longer in the top league before the injuries took over.

I don't know if it was Oxford but I remember being in shock.!! (it probably was Oxford, I have visions of a dark blue kit with yellow trim).

tommy gunn wrote:
I can understand the protracted transfer
talk on RVP and Luka Modric but Fitz Hall........

Bringe wrote:
Can't see Ashcroft rolling up his sleeves somehow or putting up with bungling Baz much longer (who wanted out to spend time with his daughter!). He'd be left with a choice of selling the club or selling of it's assets to recover lost funds... no administration just a nice orderly fire sale and a very empty shell.

Fitz Hall - good pass and move defender at this level, no sign on fee and importantly as short contract - high wages? I doubt it, just not the pittance we are used to paying.

Heaton .... Woan signing, Zola wants better, maybe some politics.

RSVP

Bringe wrote:
Can't see Ashcroft rolling up his sleeves somehow or putting up with bungling Baz much longer (who wanted out to spend time with his daughter!). He'd be left with a choice of selling the club or selling of it's assets to recover lost funds... no administration just a nice orderly fire sale and a very empty shell.

Fitz Hall - good pass and move defender at this level, no sign on fee and importantly as short contract - high wages? I doubt it, just not the pittance we are used to paying.

Heaton .... Woan signing, Zola wants better, maybe some politics.

RSVP

corbindallas wrote:

Bringe wrote:
Can't see Ashcroft rolling up his sleeves somehow or putting up with bungling Baz much longer (who wanted out to spend time with his daughter!). He'd be left with a choice of selling the club or selling of it's assets to recover lost funds... no administration just a nice orderly fire sale and a very empty shell.

Fitz Hall - good pass and move defender at this level, no sign on fee and importantly as short contract - high wages? I doubt it, just not the pittance we are used to paying.

Heaton .... Woan signing, Zola wants better, maybe some politics.

RSVP

See you didn't really answer the questions put to you by Chris the Vic, such a shame for someone so opinionated as you can't back it up with any substance perhaps you should take stock now, but I doubt it, no sense you see! Here's some substance to ponder on, the club to progress must sign better players is Fitz Hall better the Marriappa, I don't think so, would Heaton have more potential than Alumunia, I think so and also would have fitted the clubs statement about investing in players for the future who can make more potential income, Alumunia is for the here and now full stop, I doubt Fitz Hall will last more than a season, they are both definitely not the future both are too old for that. Regarding Bassini we don't know the full facts but you seem to think you do, pray tell us your source of wisdom to prove the points you want us to believe are facts. Finally you are happy if we don't finish 12th or above, is this already signs of a defence to prove it may have been a very big mistake to sign Zola instead of keeping Dyche, come on you have already said Zola's a better manager who can open up to a wider talent field because of his reputation (still to be seen, but early day's!) so if that's the case surely you should agree he needs to better Dyches first season in charge especially now he has resources and money in the transfer kitty, will we see AM money invested in the squad now and if not will you be happy about it?! Interesting times but still waiting for some excitement to come from the club!

Bringe wrote:

corbindallas wrote:

Bringe wrote:
Can't see Ashcroft rolling up his sleeves somehow or putting up with bungling Baz much longer (who wanted out to spend time with his daughter!). He'd be left with a choice of selling the club or selling of it's assets to recover lost funds... no administration just a nice orderly fire sale and a very empty shell.

Fitz Hall - good pass and move defender at this level, no sign on fee and importantly as short contract - high wages? I doubt it, just not the pittance we are used to paying.

Heaton .... Woan signing, Zola wants better, maybe some politics.

RSVP

See you didn't really answer the questions put to you by Chris the Vic, such a shame for someone so opinionated as you can't back it up with any substance perhaps you should take stock now, but I doubt it, no sense you see! Here's some substance to ponder on, the club to progress must sign better players is Fitz Hall better the Marriappa, I don't think so, would Heaton have more potential than Alumunia, I think so and also would have fitted the clubs statement about investing in players for the future who can make more potential income, Alumunia is for the here and now full stop, I doubt Fitz Hall will last more than a season, they are both definitely not the future both are too old for that. Regarding Bassini we don't know the full facts but you seem to think you do, pray tell us your source of wisdom to prove the points you want us to believe are facts. Finally you are happy if we don't finish 12th or above, is this already signs of a defence to prove it may have been a very big mistake to sign Zola instead of keeping Dyche, come on you have already said Zola's a better manager who can open up to a wider talent field because of his reputation (still to be seen, but early day's!) so if that's the case surely you should agree he needs to better Dyches first season in charge especially now he has resources and money in the transfer kitty, will we see AM money invested in the squad now and if not will you be happy about it?! Interesting times but still waiting for some excitement to come from the club!

"Bassini wants to sell the club to spend more time with his daughter" ... now let me think, where did I read that? ... could it be in this very paper?
Pozzo's plan to develop the players they scouted, not Ian Woans, they have their own idea's of potential and it is well documented how they do business.
Alumina & Hall are plenty good enough for this league, they have been brought in as a short term fix, who knows who they have planned in for us next season.
I'm not being funny but Vydra alone cost the Pozzo's £3m and you start asking questions about the Mariappa fee, we'll likely be fielding £10m plus of talent every week and much, much more when we reach the Premiership and you want to pretend that you're paying for it!!!
Finally I think it may take a little time to get going this season so promotion is unlikely but even if we finished 12th I won't care because I know we are still work in progress.
If you love Dyche so much then follow him to his next club, I am just glad to see the back of him.

Chris the Vic wrote:
Almunia and Hall have signed...where did you read that Bringe?

As for the comments about Bas, I am sure most of us had doubts about him.
However, as yet I am unaware of any fact backing your assertions and find it odd that our new owners would have paid as much as they did and undertake to repay bondolders if the club was going bust.
As for Sean I wish him well, he did a great job for us under difficult circumstances, even our new owners agree on that. I trust that they will keep up that performance level in the future.