Hornets breeze to Barnet friendly win (From Watford Observer)

Well done lads. It needed ti be a high score. If it had been one or two we'd have been moaning at the lack of finishing. Finding the net is a habit and it's good to start early!

Almunia; Hodson, Taylor, Nosworthy, Pudil; Eustace, Hogg, Abdi; Yeates, Garner, Murray.

Good strong starting line up in the 1st half..

Front 3, 4 goals between them which will do there confidence good..

Hogg & Abdi ball playing midfielders, Eustace cleaning up in holding position..

Barnet would have used the game to look at trialist and 1st teamers so a good base to build on for Watford in next 3 game sbefore the league game starts.. Be interesting to see who plays tonight at St Albans.

shades of sunderland...

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~~~smile~~~

Encouraging

looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

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Great result. First team looks as if it's one Zola will be starting off the season with. Hopefully can get another striker in that can get 25 goals a season.

Only 8..........bring back bas

jasonwatford wrote:
Only 8..........bring back bas

Even worse only 1 goal in the second half .. hope we are getting some new players soon.... think they were too quick in dismissing SD ....

I am worried about how we are going to progress this team ..

Interesting no Hall, Beleck & Vydra. Wonder when they believe Vydra will be match fit.

What is really interesting is that it was the same Barnet team that beat QPR 1-0

I thought that it was clearly a fitness issue until a noticed he changed the team at half time :o)

Just a thought, I wonder if Barnet got out of it what they wanted?

good result against a local rival who are much bigger than Luton

Has McGinn left the club? I haven't heard him mentioned since we read in the WO that he had agreed a new contract.

Interesting first half line-up---Looks to be Zolas idea of first choice allowing for fitness problems (e.g. Hall and Vydra).
I have a feeling that we will be seeing a fair bit of garner this season. Yeates?

Feff wrote:
Has McGinn left the club? I haven't heard him mentioned since we read in the WO that he had agreed a new contract.

Still doing individual fitness work so clearly not felt to be ready to feature in matches yet.

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

How does Hall fit in to the side ?

londomollari wrote:
Interesting first half line-up---Looks to be Zolas idea of first choice allowing for fitness problems (e.g. Hall and Vydra). I have a feeling that we will be seeing a fair bit of garner this season. Yeates?

Garner has supposedly been the best striker in training - he's liking getting the ball to his feet. Yeates has been played in a more central midfield role and dare I say I watched the Borehamwood match and he didn't look bad in that role (can't believe I just said that) and I believe that is where he has played in the other matches.

rousman 2 wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote: looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

How does Hall fit in to the side ?

One Size Fitz Hall

Bush Hornet wrote:
good result against a local rival who are much bigger than Luton

Absolute giants in comparison Bush!
8-0? Pick the bones out of that!

Bush Hornet wrote:
good result against a local rival who are much bigger than Luton

Absolute giants in comparison Bush!
8-0? Pick the bones out of that!

Not hard to see why the first half was infinitely better than the second!

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

Yep a few careers coming to a end

stevyweavy wrote:

londomollari wrote:
Interesting first half line-up---Looks to be Zolas idea of first choice allowing for fitness problems (e.g. Hall and Vydra). I have a feeling that we will be seeing a fair bit of garner this season. Yeates?

Garner has supposedly been the best striker in training - he's liking getting the ball to his feet. Yeates has been played in a more central midfield role and dare I say I watched the Borehamwood match and he didn't look bad in that role (can't believe I just said that) and I believe that is where he has played in the other matches.

On what I saw of Garner during the last season I felt out of place in seeing there was something better to come from the guy. Yeates I find hard to support---but they saw a lot in the guy at Tottenham and at (I believe) Midd'boro'. So maybe Zola may help him, too. Hope so---.

londomollari wrote:
Interesting first half line-up---Looks to be Zolas idea of first choice allowing for fitness problems (e.g. Hall and Vydra).
I have a feeling that we will be seeing a fair bit of garner this season. Yeates?

Yeates possibly keeping the position warm for Smudger?

there must be somebody better than yeates!!!

dmuz wrote:

londomollari wrote:
Interesting first half line-up---Looks to be Zolas idea of first choice allowing for fitness problems (e.g. Hall and Vydra).
I have a feeling that we will be seeing a fair bit of garner this season. Yeates?

Yeates possibly keeping the position warm for Smudger?

Could be----!

True watford fan wrote:
there must be somebody better than yeates!!!

Are you sure ?
My grandma is better than Yeates ! and shes been dead five years !!
Sorry guys , shouldnt be like that !
Should give the guy another chance but cant see it to be honest.Maybe if hes lost a stone and learnt to cross and doesnt demand to take every set piece and then hoof them up into the stand just maybe.
Would love to be proved wrong and singing his name on a regular basis !!
In Franco we trust !

rousman 2 wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

How does Hall fit in to the side ?

Guess him and tiny competing for one spot

lutondown wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

Yep a few careers coming to a end

Hard to see doyley playing much and as for Jenkins jeez where do I begin.

Dr,Oftaw wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

Yep a few careers coming to a end

Hard to see doyley playing much and as for Jenkins jeez where do I begin.

indeed, not quite sure why we have just given him a long contract, living off of the great man's name for far too long.

Although there's still some trimming on the cards I don't think there'll be too many more players to leave. If we really are going for it it's essential to have decent back up everywhere plus the youngsters on top. None of the maybe's are on huge salaries and effort spent training them in Zola's ways is money well spent, possibly better than premiership loans.

Dr,Oftaw wrote:

rousman 2 wrote:

Dr,Oftaw wrote:
looks like his starting 11 almost sorted

How does Hall fit in to the side ?

Guess him and tiny competing for one spot

More likely Nosworthy and Hall. Taylor is loving the role Zola has set for him. Looks far more comfortable on the ball than Nosworthy and looks super fit.

Quality result, I will probably be the complete opposite to all off you but i think Garner under the right circumstances has bags of goals to offer... if we can get the ball to his feet and not play hoof ball which is what i think zola will be trying to install i think he should have a good season!

Jatt597 wrote:
Quality result, I will probably be the complete opposite to all off you but i think Garner under the right circumstances has bags of goals to offer... if we can get the ball to his feet and not play hoof ball which is what i think zola will be trying to install i think he should have a good season!

On the contrary, if you read my previous postings on this thread you will find I have supported Garner---I have thought for some time he has more to offer.

I agree. More to come from Garner - he didn't stand a chance under Dyche's tactics unfortunately (not knocking SD - we had to play that way last year)

Get the ball into his feet and I think he'll prove to be a useful squad player at the minimum - and hopefully more than that. Still need a striker and a winger but it's looking promising at this stage.

I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Lets clear this up for you:

Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Its still early in the transfer window. We also need someone else to want to buy them off us. Maybe GFZ wants to use them in the squad - especially Yeates.

Why have we not sacked Deeney? Probably not the main focus right now, rightly or wrongly

Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Its called having a squad and creating competition. Do other squads only have 11 players?

Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? We have signed a couple of strikers on loan and suspect we are after another main signing. Its only beginning of August. Be patient.

Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer? Based on how SD played - nobody. Based on how GFZ plays - who knows what someone like Garner could do. Murray will get a hatful this year. But as Spain showed in the Euros, the days of relying on a striker are long gone if you have a good enough team. We are playing 4-3-3 so the need for a striker to get every goal is not paramount. The 3 playing behind him will get just as many - the system is designed for that.

Hope that clears it all up for you.

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Maybe I can talk you through it. Yeates and Iwelumo, will be given a chance to show their worth, you do not sell the entire squad without lining up better replacements, whereas it is my belief that Yeates is a good squad player and does have some great ability I would not be surprised if Iwelumo is allowed to move on in the coming weeks.

Deeney, I would say the majority of fans would prefer not to see him back at the club I am sure they are just weighing up the best way to deal with the situation with the clubs best interest at heart, again though do not think we would pick up much of a fee if we were to sell him on upon his release with only a year left on his contract, therefore would not be surprised if we get an anouncement shortly regarding terminating his contract.

Hall, Tiny and Nossy will contest the 2 CB places and push each other throughout the season, any additional cover will be provided by Bennett and Thompson.

Garner is more than capable of being that 20 a year goalscorer in the new formation along with the new guy Belek and the other new guy from Udinese (sorry name escapes me), however as shown yesterday think that goals will be be coming from a number of sources this year rather than just relying on the forwards.

I think the strength in depth that Zola is pulling together will be excellent this year, experienced back up throughout.

I still think that a few may go over the coming weeks but I am confident that this will make room for additional quality to continue to come in.

I think that we will still have to be patient but honestly think that we will prove to be a force this year.

Let's hope that the attendences are up at the Vic and we get the pride back....bring it on.

COYH

D.unstable wrote:

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Maybe I can talk you through it. Yeates and Iwelumo, will be given a chance to show their worth, you do not sell the entire squad without lining up better replacements, whereas it is my belief that Yeates is a good squad player and does have some great ability I would not be surprised if Iwelumo is allowed to move on in the coming weeks.

Deeney, I would say the majority of fans would prefer not to see him back at the club I am sure they are just weighing up the best way to deal with the situation with the clubs best interest at heart, again though do not think we would pick up much of a fee if we were to sell him on upon his release with only a year left on his contract, therefore would not be surprised if we get an anouncement shortly regarding terminating his contract.

Hall, Tiny and Nossy will contest the 2 CB places and push each other throughout the season, any additional cover will be provided by Bennett and Thompson.

Garner is more than capable of being that 20 a year goalscorer in the new formation along with the new guy Belek and the other new guy from Udinese (sorry name escapes me), however as shown yesterday think that goals will be be coming from a number of sources this year rather than just relying on the forwards.

I think the strength in depth that Zola is pulling together will be excellent this year, experienced back up throughout.

I still think that a few may go over the coming weeks but I am confident that this will make room for additional quality to continue to come in.

I think that we will still have to be patient but honestly think that we will prove to be a force this year.

Let's hope that the attendences are up at the Vic and we get the pride back....bring it on.

COYH

Good post and I agree, I think Garner could be an unpolished Gem! I've seen a lot of players over the last few years fall victim to the high up and unders.
Be good to see them on Sunday, be great to beat them lot!

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

nobody promised a whole new squad or promotion this season.patience feff they are doing a good job so far.

D.unstable wrote:

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Maybe I can talk you through it. Yeates and Iwelumo, will be given a chance to show their worth, you do not sell the entire squad without lining up better replacements, whereas it is my belief that Yeates is a good squad player and does have some great ability I would not be surprised if Iwelumo is allowed to move on in the coming weeks.

Deeney, I would say the majority of fans would prefer not to see him back at the club I am sure they are just weighing up the best way to deal with the situation with the clubs best interest at heart, again though do not think we would pick up much of a fee if we were to sell him on upon his release with only a year left on his contract, therefore would not be surprised if we get an anouncement shortly regarding terminating his contract.

Hall, Tiny and Nossy will contest the 2 CB places and push each other throughout the season, any additional cover will be provided by Bennett and Thompson.

Garner is more than capable of being that 20 a year goalscorer in the new formation along with the new guy Belek and the other new guy from Udinese (sorry name escapes me), however as shown yesterday think that goals will be be coming from a number of sources this year rather than just relying on the forwards.

I think the strength in depth that Zola is pulling together will be excellent this year, experienced back up throughout.

I still think that a few may go over the coming weeks but I am confident that this will make room for additional quality to continue to come in.

I think that we will still have to be patient but honestly think that we will prove to be a force this year.

Let's hope that the attendences are up at the Vic and we get the pride back....bring it on.

COYH

Well said....

I've had a closer look at Abdi and Pudil's international stats ... they are too good for little Watford. Of all his recent starts Pudil's been on the losing side twice, both times against Spain.

Bringe wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Maybe I can talk you through it. Yeates and Iwelumo, will be given a chance to show their worth, you do not sell the entire squad without lining up better replacements, whereas it is my belief that Yeates is a good squad player and does have some great ability I would not be surprised if Iwelumo is allowed to move on in the coming weeks.

Deeney, I would say the majority of fans would prefer not to see him back at the club I am sure they are just weighing up the best way to deal with the situation with the clubs best interest at heart, again though do not think we would pick up much of a fee if we were to sell him on upon his release with only a year left on his contract, therefore would not be surprised if we get an anouncement shortly regarding terminating his contract.

Hall, Tiny and Nossy will contest the 2 CB places and push each other throughout the season, any additional cover will be provided by Bennett and Thompson.

Garner is more than capable of being that 20 a year goalscorer in the new formation along with the new guy Belek and the other new guy from Udinese (sorry name escapes me), however as shown yesterday think that goals will be be coming from a number of sources this year rather than just relying on the forwards.

I think the strength in depth that Zola is pulling together will be excellent this year, experienced back up throughout.

I still think that a few may go over the coming weeks but I am confident that this will make room for additional quality to continue to come in.

I think that we will still have to be patient but honestly think that we will prove to be a force this year.

Let's hope that the attendences are up at the Vic and we get the pride back....bring it on.

COYH

Well said....

I've had a closer look at Abdi and Pudil's international stats ... they are too good for little Watford. Of all his recent starts Pudil's been on the losing side twice, both times against Spain.

Indeed, those two alone on paper are frightening. From what I have seen on utube of Belek he looks like he will be a handful once fully fit too, great pace and strength. Apparently spurs were after him a few years back for a couple of million.

Who would have dreamt it 2 months ago.

For those concerned about poor little Watford being a feeder club, the best we would have hoped for under LB would have been to sell Mapps, get in a couple of freebies and then wait until September before getting a couple of untested Man Utd youngsters on loan.

"Keep it the Pozzo triangle"

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Maybe I can talk you through it. Yeates and Iwelumo, will be given a chance to show their worth, you do not sell the entire squad without lining up better replacements, whereas it is my belief that Yeates is a good squad player and does have some great ability I would not be surprised if Iwelumo is allowed to move on in the coming weeks.

Deeney, I would say the majority of fans would prefer not to see him back at the club I am sure they are just weighing up the best way to deal with the situation with the clubs best interest at heart, again though do not think we would pick up much of a fee if we were to sell him on upon his release with only a year left on his contract, therefore would not be surprised if we get an anouncement shortly regarding terminating his contract.

Hall, Tiny and Nossy will contest the 2 CB places and push each other throughout the season, any additional cover will be provided by Bennett and Thompson.

Garner is more than capable of being that 20 a year goalscorer in the new formation along with the new guy Belek and the other new guy from Udinese (sorry name escapes me), however as shown yesterday think that goals will be be coming from a number of sources this year rather than just relying on the forwards.

I think the strength in depth that Zola is pulling together will be excellent this year, experienced back up throughout.

I still think that a few may go over the coming weeks but I am confident that this will make room for additional quality to continue to come in.

I think that we will still have to be patient but honestly think that we will prove to be a force this year.

Let's hope that the attendences are up at the Vic and we get the pride back....bring it on.

COYH

Good post and I agree, I think Garner could be an unpolished Gem! I've seen a lot of players over the last few years fall victim to the high up and unders.
Be good to see them on Sunday, be great to beat them lot!

Thanks my old scummer down, always good to get your seal of approval.

I would just like to drum up a bit of support for our nearly sponsors The Happy Egg Company. Noticed I had a couple in the fridge yesterday a day pas the BBD, wing the risk taker that I am, decided boil them for 4 mins take that chance.

You'll be pleased to know that they were the best dippy eggs I have had in years and with no advers reactions whatsoever, so GFZ still available for selection on Sunday!!!

D.unstable wrote:

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Feff wrote:
I am puzzled. Why have we kept Yeates and Iwelumo? Why have we not sacked Deeney? Why have we signed Fitz Hall when we have Taylor and Nosworthy? Why have we not signed a goal-scoring striker like Danny Graham? Which of our current players is a real goal-scorer?

Maybe I can talk you through it. Yeates and Iwelumo, will be given a chance to show their worth, you do not sell the entire squad without lining up better replacements, whereas it is my belief that Yeates is a good squad player and does have some great ability I would not be surprised if Iwelumo is allowed to move on in the coming weeks.

Deeney, I would say the majority of fans would prefer not to see him back at the club I am sure they are just weighing up the best way to deal with the situation with the clubs best interest at heart, again though do not think we would pick up much of a fee if we were to sell him on upon his release with only a year left on his contract, therefore would not be surprised if we get an anouncement shortly regarding terminating his contract.

Hall, Tiny and Nossy will contest the 2 CB places and push each other throughout the season, any additional cover will be provided by Bennett and Thompson.

Garner is more than capable of being that 20 a year goalscorer in the new formation along with the new guy Belek and the other new guy from Udinese (sorry name escapes me), however as shown yesterday think that goals will be be coming from a number of sources this year rather than just relying on the forwards.

I think the strength in depth that Zola is pulling together will be excellent this year, experienced back up throughout.

I still think that a few may go over the coming weeks but I am confident that this will make room for additional quality to continue to come in.

I think that we will still have to be patient but honestly think that we will prove to be a force this year.

Let's hope that the attendences are up at the Vic and we get the pride back....bring it on.

COYH

Good post and I agree, I think Garner could be an unpolished Gem! I've seen a lot of players over the last few years fall victim to the high up and unders.
Be good to see them on Sunday, be great to beat them lot!

Thanks my old scummer down, always good to get your seal of approval.

I would just like to drum up a bit of support for our nearly sponsors The Happy Egg Company. Noticed I had a couple in the fridge yesterday a day pas the BBD, wing the risk taker that I am, decided boil them for 4 mins take that chance.

You'll be pleased to know that they were the best dippy eggs I have had in years and with no advers reactions whatsoever, so GFZ still available for selection on Sunday!!!

Yep I passed up 18 eggs for £2.50 to buy 12 Happy eggs for £2.00, so though no economical sense, done a bit for a Watford man and a lot more for hen kind.
Aren't I all heart!

Where did this 'garner can be a 20 goal a season man' come from?? He tries hard and works his socks off but the guy scored less than iwelumo last year...to play that high forward role you need a bloke the size of beleck who can hold the ball up and batter into defenders. Hope garner proves me wrong but I just don't see him being the main man. Saying that I think we have a great player in abdi. From what I saw in the bwood game his passing range is fantastic. Pudil also looks a great addition too. I'm very excited about this season and feel the team is strong enough to challenge but do feel we need to add a few more to help support murray. Still time to bring people in and I hope we get some gems. Also- does anyone remember under malky when we played a 4 5 1 and mcginn did brilliantly in behind danny. Very excited to see him back when he's fit- would do well under zola.

True watford fan wrote:
Where did this 'garner can be a 20 goal a season man' come from?? He tries hard and works his socks off but the guy scored less than iwelumo last year...to play that high forward role you need a bloke the size of beleck who can hold the ball up and batter into defenders. Hope garner proves me wrong but I just don't see him being the main man. Saying that I think we have a great player in abdi. From what I saw in the bwood game his passing range is fantastic. Pudil also looks a great addition too. I'm very excited about this season and feel the team is strong enough to challenge but do feel we need to add a few more to help support murray. Still time to bring people in and I hope we get some gems. Also- does anyone remember under malky when we played a 4 5 1 and mcginn did brilliantly in behind danny. Very excited to see him back when he's fit- would do well under zola.

Or a bloke the size of Zola to time the runs as Abdi squeezes the ball into the channels.... There must be about 15 ways to skin this particular cat and I think we'll be going for the sublime.