Zola: 'Taylor departure did unsettle us' (From Watford Observer)
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Gianfranco Zola admits Martin Taylor's sale to Sheffield Wednesday did unsettle Watford ahead of Derby County defeat
6:48pm Saturday 1st September 2012 in Watford FC News
By Frank Smith, Deputy Group Sports Editor
Watford head coach Gianfranco Zola admitted Martin Taylor’s departure unsettled his side going into today’s heavy 5-1 defeat at Derby County.
Zola had Taylor pencilled in to once again lead out Watford, with John Eustace still injured, but the centre back was sold to Sheffield Wednesday last night, not long before the transfer window closed.
Carl Dickinson came into the side at centre half, in the only change to the line-up which beat Birmingham City so convincingly last week.
Derby took the lead on 16 minutes and were 3-0 up before half-time. The home side secured the victory in the second half with two more goals, and Matej Vydra could only add a consolation strike to make it 5-1.
When asked whether Taylor’s departure contributed to Watford’s poor defensive display, Zola said: “Martin Taylor is a very influential player for this team, we all know that.
“That certainly didn’t help our situation because this terrible transfer market is crazy because it unsettles everything.
“Yes his sale didn’t help our situation. I know Martin has been important for this team and how important he has been, on and off the pitch, but unfortunately we lost him and the rest of the team must take his responsibilities and do better. And when I say the team, it includes myself.”
Zola said that, in hindsight, he would have changed “some things” but stated the starting line-up would not have been one of the alterations.
He said: “I would have probably changed some things but some things were difficult to change because they were unexpected.
“I would have made the same choices and I would have put the same team on the pitch but I would have been more aware of the dangers of the opposition in certain circumstances.”
Zola admitted his players need to play on the front foot more, and ensure they have possession in the attacking third, rather than going back to the defence and goalkeeper.
The Italian also partly blamed himself for the defeat, as he admitted he did not place enough emphasis on defending set pieces. Derby scored two, possibly three, goals from set plays this afternoon and it is an area where the Rams have been dangerous all season.
Zola said: “There are not many positives today because it was a big defeat so therefore I am not here to be crazy enough to say otherwise.
“It was a poor performance. The start was ok but we had a poor reaction to the first goal and we stopped playing, and that was it.
“I think the result was too big [a margin] but fair enough, they deserved to win and in the Championship, if you give away cheap goals like the first two then you are in trouble and that is what happened.”
When asked what was different compared to last week, he replied: “Against Birmingham we started well and caused them a lot of problems and we scored straight away, which created the perfect circumstances for us to play our football.
“Today it was the opposite. We started ok but I would like to see more courage in our play when we play this football.
“As soon as we conceded the goal we stopped playing and that is not good enough.
“You have to be brave; if you have the time to turn and play football then you need to play forwards, not backwards all the time. Otherwise you are playing with the defenders rather than the midfielders.
“Also I said to the players that I apologise because I underestimated the other team when it came to set plays and I said that to the players, it was my fault.
“But we can be better with the ball and that was something that we didn’t do today.”
Watford created very little this afternoon and were restricted to just a handful of efforts on goal.
“Yes that [the attacking side of our game] was the disappointing thing because we know the way we play will mean we can concede sometimes but we need to create more.
“In the first half, the way we started, we had the possibility to cause them problems but we didn’t do that because we were locked [in our half] and that was not good.”
Click here to read the report from today's Watford game.
Comments(228)
buckler
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6:58pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Reginald Dwight
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7:00pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Watching Nani gesticulating like Briatore in the Directors Box was sickening. He is the man who is responsible for the influx of all these players. There is no way Zola wants over 40 pro's - Fergie would struggle to manage a squad so big and the split in the camp is so obvious its frightening.
We should all be grateful there is a club to support and clearly Zola's ideas have some exciting indications but unless the size of the squad is dramatically reduced and Zola (Not Duxberry and Nani) is solely in charge then we will have more of these results than the Birmingham one.
Lets all stay positive and help create a team spirit on the pitch and in the stands
Watforddogs
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7:15pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Surbiton
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7:16pm Sat 1 Sep 12
WFC4ever
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7:29pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Surbiton wrote:His side lost to a Britt A goal...
I was reporting on the AFC Wimbledon game today and had a chat to Dale Bennett before the kick off. Got the impression the youngsters at the academy know they are not going to get "a fair rub of the green" with this administration and most will have to look elsewhere to get a game. Just to make his debut day, Dale didn't clear the ball properly and a Dagger sent the ball straight back into the Dons net! Another costly mistake.The game ended 2 -2. I wonder if Adam Thompson faired any better?
I went to the Under 18s game and they won 3-0.
Spoke to a couple of parents and they said Zola is popular but admitted the youth team wasn't the Pozzo's number one in terms of importance.
As for today...it rather begs the question if Fitz Hall is ready?
Hornet1970
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7:30pm Sat 1 Sep 12
francowatford
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7:41pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckler wrote:Zola's high unsettles me#
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
coffils left foot
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7:44pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckler wrote:If gut bucket Buckler had of ordered a proper meal he wouldn't still be whinging, any left over burgers anyone?
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
DuffmanWFC
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7:50pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Yes there are several players that i would like to see move on and a few of these have only played recently as others are not match fit ie Dickinson, Iwelumo, Forsyth, Garner and Yeates! Once the loanees have been fully assessed maybe 2/3 will return to there respected clubs by the New Year, we off load the above and permenant transfers of a couple of players to improve our first team will happen? Keep the faith chaps its very early in the season still nearly 40 more games to play!”
Holly68
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7:55pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
Kingswoodhornet
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8:07pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Errrrrr......Do you look like Glenn Close and have a habit of boiling other people's bunnies?
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
Chris the Vic
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8:07pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Taylor we are told wants out and is allowed to go. We have sold Mariappa and given Murfin away. So the next guy to use is Bennett....Oops we have just sent him out on loan So Sean would have then put Lloyd in as a centre back a position he has played before and replace him with Lee or Adam. Oops Adam has been loaned out and I suspect Lee is injured. So Dicko who is not the best is drafted in. Well hold on a minute what about all the guys from Udinese some of them are experienced defenders but of course they are not match fit either bcause they were or are injured. The word Buffoon or Mickey Mouse or maybe 'you don't know what you are doing' springs to mind
So Rover one man going was not the problem.
What may be the problem is the West Ham supporters comments about Nani are coming true and please do not blame Zola it is not his fault.
lutondown
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8:32pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Better to come into the side, and this will just be a memory, nasty as it is.
MIBSWE
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8:33pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Face a BIG fact...had the Pozzos not bought Watford....where would we be now. Think really hard!! It seems a bit crazy what they are doing in terms of all these loanees and goes against was Nani said about keeping the core of WFC. However, they have performed miracles with Udinese and Granada. It will take time, before the dust settles. Judge the new brigade afte 1 season, not after 4 games!!
To all the moaners...where was your money when they were selling....what makea you such an expert...haven't you learnt anything in life not to judge too early....it could have been a lot worse. We could have ended up like Luton!!
lutondown
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8:34pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Kingswoodhornet wrote:I understand Holly was there with her kids, not exactly the actions of a bunny boiler, rather that of a true fan. Unlike some sat dealing out below the belt comments from behind their keyboards
Holly68 wrote:Errrrrr......Do you look like Glenn Close and have a habit of boiling other people's bunnies?
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
buckshornet
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8:37pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckler
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8:38pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:That's sounds like my group! I was the best dressed and looking one of the group!
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
aussihornet
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8:38pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Zola at least raises his hand up in taking part responsibility!
P.s sod of Dickinson + Yeates, plus Hall your taking the **** where are you! Neuton will do well in defence btw has played already for Udinese in Champ League
P.p.s. sod of Dicko + Yeates
Bush Hornet
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8:43pm Sat 1 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Yes indeed. Zola's humble approach is refreshing. Stop ya whiny little comments about how bad Nani and co are and start singing at games
Jeez we get a manager blaming himself which is in its self unusual and all the antis slither out. I think he'll take more from this than say the Brum game.
Better to come into the side, and this will just be a memory, nasty as it is.
buckler
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8:46pm Sat 1 Sep 12
coffils left foot wrote:Nearly eat a weedy Watford fan in there! Grey haired bloke spouting total rubbish! Reckons he could out eat Adam Richman!
buckler wrote:If gut bucket Buckler had of ordered a proper meal he wouldn't still be whinging, any left over burgers anyone?
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
cliff46
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8:46pm Sat 1 Sep 12
It's good of you to respect Dale's confidence---not!
lutondown
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8:57pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckshornet wrote:move north and become Bedsexhornet
shambles mark 2 after the vialli era
lutondown
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9:01pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckler wrote:That must of been one shabbily dressed and ghastly looking crew! Lol
Holly68 wrote:That's sounds like my group! I was the best dressed and looking one of the group!
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
Nah, your a top man Buck even if you do talk yourself up a tad!!!
jasonwatford
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9:02pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Almunia - Did nothin wrong
Doyley - Well just normal Doley
Nosworthy - Dreadful
Dickinson - Double dredful
Pudil - Needs to understand he has to defend s wel a attack
Abdi - ineffective
Hogg - Headless chicken
Murray - Waste of space...boy need to understand he has done nothing yet in football and will fade away ( i hear he is in the white lion pub far too often )
Big Chris - didnt win a ball but waved his hands well
Vydra - made so many curvy runs but no one saw hem or anted to play the ball backwards to much..1 chance 1 goal
Yeats - Waste of a life to be fair !!
Casetti - looks class should have been on before
Anya - very quick looked like he wanted it so much more tan fat boy murray
Botchelli - only had 3 mins on pitch and done more than yeat in 87 mins.
It was truely awful to watch today and many left after 51 mins when 4th went in..i stayed but was tempted to go as it was crap. Time is now surley up for doyley dicko nos yeats and big chris. If any of them are in the team at bolton i suggest to get straight back in your car and come home.
Holly68
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9:02pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckler wrote:Firstly for the record, I am male, the H is a silent one. Holly or Olly was my nickname from school, plus I like the way it confuses people LOL
Holly68 wrote:That's sounds like my group! I was the best dressed and looking one of the group!
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
I was by the window with two boys (one tall one small, neither are mine but friends kids)
I think we may already know each other, do you have no hair buckler and also has a boy with you in a white t shirt ?
Holly68
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9:03pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Does your Dad live next door to Marc Bircham ?
buckler wrote:Firstly for the record, I am male, the H is a silent one. Holly or Olly was my nickname from school, plus I like the way it confuses people LOL
Holly68 wrote:That's sounds like my group! I was the best dressed and looking one of the group!
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
I was by the window with two boys (one tall one small, neither are mine but friends kids)
I think we may already know each other, do you have no hair buckler and also has a boy with you in a white t shirt ?
Monstermunch17
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9:06pm Sat 1 Sep 12
The Pozzos should have kept Dyche, added 3-4 players to last year's squad, with the option to strengthen further if need be. Instead, they arrogantly, and rather clumsily, threw the baby out with the bathwater, and now we are all over the place.
Zola = nice guy, great player, terrible manager.
MJ1
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9:09pm Sat 1 Sep 12
But the worst thing we now know is that Zola has no control on players IN and OUT. It's clear Taylor was sold over his head. If he is not prepared to stamp his authority on team composition and selection now his position wil be even weaker in 6 months time. The owners will expect loanees to be played; that's why they have been sent here. This will compromise team selection. Zola's weakness could end up being the team's weakness. You can't have more than one boss running a team!
chris lennon
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9:10pm Sat 1 Sep 12
themselves in the shop window.
Do they really care about WFC. Do they heck ?? Come back Dyche and show a sense of normality. Its a farce.
16 players on loan. Its immoral and we could be heading for Div 1 and joining Pompey. Ridiculous.
jasonwatford
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9:15pm Sat 1 Sep 12
DuffmanWFC
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9:32pm Sat 1 Sep 12
9:06pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Zola comes across as exactly what he is: a man utterly out of his depth.
The Pozzos should have kept Dyche, added 3-4 players to last year's squad, with the option to strengthen further if need be. Instead, they arrogantly, and rather clumsily, threw the baby out with the bathwater, and now we are all over the place.
Zola = nice guy, great player, terrible manager.
What a total load of rubbish Monster Plank! Pozzo's should of kept Dyche? Pozzo's should of kept the same squad and added 2 or 3? What planet are u on? Tell u what maybe Pozzo's shouldn't of saved our club and let us go into administration ay? In that way all are players of any value would of left for naff all and we would be bottom of the league on -10 points!
Also u wally u say we should keep the quality of uwulumo, garner, Yeats, dickinson, etc etc the players that get 90% of the stick for repeated poor performances! In a few weeks when the first 11 and subs works its way into the regular side things will be good!
Bush Hornet
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9:37pm Sat 1 Sep 12
MJ1 wrote:Yes Derby were by far the better team. They could teach us a thing or 2 about possession football
Just back from Derby. Firstly no one has acknowledged that the Rams were terrific. They completely bossed the midfield and were clinical in their finishing. Last week Birmingham surrendered the midfield to us by playing deep; this week Derby were in our faces and won possession in midfield. With Taylor gone there was no leadership in the field. It's impossible to say absolutely that he would have prevented the goals but what was clear that without him that our defence was chaotic. There was no leadership on the bench either as Zola slipped further and further into his seat. It took 5 goals before he made subs and they did make a difference giving us a conslation goal.
But the worst thing we now know is that Zola has no control on players IN and OUT. It's clear Taylor was sold over his head. If he is not prepared to stamp his authority on team composition and selection now his position wil be even weaker in 6 months time. The owners will expect loanees to be played; that's why they have been sent here. This will compromise team selection. Zola's weakness could end up being the team's weakness. You can't have more than one boss running a team!
Holly68
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9:39pm Sat 1 Sep 12
1. The Pozzo's own the club, but just like Granada have NOTHING to do with the day to day running or decide who goes, who stays etc, that is Purely Nani and Duxbury, so no criticism of Pozzo's, they provide funds and have underwritten debt, however it is UNLIKELY they will get involved, unless they are unhappy with Duxbury, Nani or Zola who they would fire. The Pozzo ownership is for the Long Term, Duxbury, Nani and Zola are only here whilst they show progress. I for one really like Zola, I think he has lots of integrity, he is a true gentleman, however the jury's out on Duxbury and Nani !
2. Zola picks the team, is responsible for identifying the type of players he needs, however Nani decides who to bring in. Nani has decided to bring all the loans in, purely to try and kick start a promotion push, without creating extra financial risk. Zola will pick the bones out and return those not wanted . In January, Zola will have a much better idea on gaps so movement and incomings more manageable
3. Zola didnt know Tiny was going to leave last night, he would of kept Adam or Dale as cover for today had he known. Taylor left for double money, double contract length AND cos he knows he is not guaranteed first team given the incomings. Yes he could of stayed and proved himself better than the incomings, however double pay, double contract and less competition, he is a shrewd and intelligent footballer, good luck to him, Zola is gutted he has gone, but it was not his decision. My view is that Nani SHOULD of offered Tiny more money, longer contract and reassured him he will play, but clearly Nani believes the loanees will play better football, jury's out
4. Zola made a mistake as he admitted. He underestimated Derby, Sammon was a real handful, and playing Dickinson out of position was a mistake. He should of put Cassetti or Doyley CH. Dickinson tried his best, but was not good enough.
5. Neuton and Ekstrand only agreed to the move yesterday, thy arrive in uk next week so could not play. Chalobah also did not know where he was going until yesterday, so again joins squad after England U21 duty
6. Yes it was poor, we had a slow tempo, midfield weren't showing for ball, meaning cul de sacs and back to keeper. However up until 1st goal was not much in it, other than Nigel Clough emploring his troops to get in our faces. 1st set piece, 1st goal, Dicko and Pudil at fault. 2nd set piece, 2nd goal, Nosworthy and Doyley at fault. 3rd goal we gave ball away in midfield, then Dicko got roasted by excellent Sammon. 3rd set piece, hit bar, Doyley and Nosworthy at fault. 4th set piece 4th goal, and so on and so on. With NO leader at the back, Nosworthy had his worst game, he needs a leader (Mapps/Tiny) alongside him, Doyley also needs a leader in back four, Dickinson tried hard, put some strong challenges in, but got found wanting other times, but at least he ave his all, if war broke out you'd want him on your side. However he lacks the quality to stay in Zola powered new wave football moving forwards. My ratings
Almunia : not at fault, other than picking ball out net 5 times wasn't overly busy either
Doyley :Poor
Nosworthy :Poor
Dickinson : probably tried harder than most, lacks quality and out of position
Pudil : off the pace and a wake up call, most championship teams will play like this against us
Hogg : never seen him moaning all the time like this, off the pace
Yeates : back to old inconsistent self
Abdi : he must of thought it was a training game, stuck in 1st gear and caught in possession
Vydra : well marshalled by left back, but keeps trying and never gives up
Murray : poor, overweight, seems to care more for his social life, out drinking night before matches, even his friends are telling him to be more professional, needs dropping until fit
Big Chris : tried hard but little support from midfield
Zola : Poor team selection, Poor research of Derby
Subs : improvement but already game over
Fans : Very Poor subdued support from the off
So all in all we got what we ALL DESERVED, a smacked bum !
However, lose 1-0 or 25-0, it's only 3 points we didn't gain. 6 points out of 12 is fair return for a team in transition.
Let's learn from today, give Zola the time to pick his Top 25 from the 40, let's judge after 15 games, so we might get spanked at Bolton, but it's a marathon season, not a sprint, IN ZOLA I TRUST !!!!
DuffmanWFC
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9:41pm Sat 1 Sep 12
londomollari
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9:51pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Time will tell, and give judgement, on Zola. As i said last season, don't judge until 13 games into the season. However, if Zola struggles, the Pozzos have a record of rapid managerial change
watford9140
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9:58pm Sat 1 Sep 12
buckler
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10:00pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Yep we know each other. Got it now. Legends the both of us!
buckler wrote:Firstly for the record, I am male, the H is a silent one. Holly or Olly was my nickname from school, plus I like the way it confuses people LOL
Holly68 wrote:That's sounds like my group! I was the best dressed and looking one of the group!
buckler wrote:My Ribs just slid down my throat yum yum !
The small portions in Franky and Bennys Unsettled me but I got on with it! Bring it on?
We're you sat on a table of four not far from window, you left at 0-5 and parked in Wyvern car park ??
I was by the window with two boys (one tall one small, neither are mine but friends kids)
I think we may already know each other, do you have no hair buckler and also has a boy with you in a white t shirt ?
Holly68
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10:08pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Good talking to you on way back to car
londomollari
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10:08pm Sat 1 Sep 12
watford9140 wrote:Yes, just checked that. Isn't that odd! However, it says he joined on 19th August, and has been given the no. 10n shirt.
why does it say on a few sites and on his wiki that benjani has joined from portsmouth?
Someone has been making mischief with the Wiki site!
@ChrisBottom16
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10:09pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Hornet1970 wrote:taylor handed in a transfer request with half an hour of the transfer window to go.
Totally **** with the situation, should not have taylor go, one of the best defenders in championship. Far too many players at his disposal and i doubt he has any idea who our best players are. Embarrassment.
@ChrisBottom16
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10:10pm Sat 1 Sep 12
DuffmanWFC wrote:The voice of sanity! Good post mate!
We are all gutted after a score line like this but slagging off isnt the way forward. Zola will get it right and the Pozzo's will back him with the resources required. Theese things happen... Last season City spanked Utd at Old Trafford.....Utd spanked Arsenal....Arsenal spanked Spurs....Sunderland spanked Chelsea and on and on! Whats important is you learn from this and move on.
Yes there are several players that i would like to see move on and a few of these have only played recently as others are not match fit ie Dickinson, Iwelumo, Forsyth, Garner and Yeates! Once the loanees have been fully assessed maybe 2/3 will return to there respected clubs by the New Year, we off load the above and permenant transfers of a couple of players to improve our first team will happen? Keep the faith chaps its very early in the season still nearly 40 more games to play!”
Holly68
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10:14pm Sat 1 Sep 12
@ChrisBottom16 wrote:Not entirely true. Sheffield Weds have been chasing for a while, made an offer yesterday afternoon. At 7pm it wasn't happening, however by 8pm he said he wanted to leave, he'd signed by 9.30pm.
Hornet1970 wrote:taylor handed in a transfer request with half an hour of the transfer window to go.
Totally **** with the situation, should not have taylor go, one of the best defenders in championship. Far too many players at his disposal and i doubt he has any idea who our best players are. Embarrassment.
Just wish Zola he said to Nani I want him to stay,and Nani made him a offer to stay. I think Zola is a realist but Nani is convinced the Loans will be superior, gut says it will be a mix of both
Andrew1963
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10:14pm Sat 1 Sep 12
stevyweavy
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10:15pm Sat 1 Sep 12
DuffmanWFC wrote:Oh my god is that all we've got - we are doomed! Bring back Baz we want administration, we want minus 10 points, we want no players - how can things have got this bad since Baz left - shame on Zola, shame on the Pozzos.
Remind me everyone but don't we have an experienced right back of international class who will be our first choice and regular very soon? Also we have a left back to come into this side who has played good level of football in Europe PLUS a centre back with champions league experience? Also we still have two players in midfield and another striker who look like being extremely good signings for this level of league football! Theese players will change this side when fit! We all know what happens when u rush players who arnt ready for competitive games... They get injured! Come on guys there's 40 games left!
lutondown
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10:16pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Isn't that splitting hairs Holly? It still was an hour and half at best. Not ideal match prep
@ChrisBottom16 wrote:Not entirely true. Sheffield Weds have been chasing for a while, made an offer yesterday afternoon. At 7pm it wasn't happening, however by 8pm he said he wanted to leave, he'd signed by 9.30pm.
Hornet1970 wrote:taylor handed in a transfer request with half an hour of the transfer window to go.
Totally **** with the situation, should not have taylor go, one of the best defenders in championship. Far too many players at his disposal and i doubt he has any idea who our best players are. Embarrassment.
Just wish Zola he said to Nani I want him to stay,and Nani made him a offer to stay. I think Zola is a realist but Nani is convinced the Loans will be superior, gut says it will be a mix of both
Holly68
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10:21pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Still, today will be yesterday tomorrow !
lutondown
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10:24pm Sat 1 Sep 12
@ChrisBottom16
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10:26pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Monstermunch17 wrote:Are you some sort of div? Im assumin you wernt at todays game so i will help you. Nosworthy and Dickinson who were 2 of Dyches signings were at fault for 3 goals and were an embarasment. Hogg gave away the 4th goal again a Dyche signing! Yeates and Big Chris were still on the bus and were as much use as a chocolate tea pot! Garner isnt even in the squad. All 3 Dyche signings. Dyche had a good season but would not have a clue how to handle the players we have who by the way are very good. Hopefully this little insight into what happened today opens your eyes and helps you to stop talkin like a prat.
Zola comes across as exactly what he is: a man utterly out of his depth.
The Pozzos should have kept Dyche, added 3-4 players to last year's squad, with the option to strengthen further if need be. Instead, they arrogantly, and rather clumsily, threw the baby out with the bathwater, and now we are all over the place.
Zola = nice guy, great player, terrible manager.
jasonwatford
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10:30pm Sat 1 Sep 12
londomollari
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10:30pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68
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10:30pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68
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10:35pm Sat 1 Sep 12
lutondown
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10:38pm Sat 1 Sep 12
jasonwatford wrote:yeah I know! Think his name is LOLA
lutondown holly is a bloke
YUK
Holly68
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10:39pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
lutondown
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10:42pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Can still see two times mentioned on your original post Lola, 8 and 930, still can't see 1030
Transfer window shut at 11pm, Chrisbottom sad 30 mins before he handed in transfer request (ie. 10.30pm) HOWEVER he actually asked to leave at 8pm (no co-incidence just after we announced two new CH. Neuton and Ekstrand). The gap between 8 and 10.30 is two and a half hours, not wishing to split hairs, it still left us in sh*t, a bit like Dads just left home out the blue, so the playground bully steps in and takes his place
Mind u the mince pies are tired, I do make mistakes, mind never forgot what sex I was!
Lol
lutondown
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10:42pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:That bit ain't funny
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
londomollari
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10:43pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Hatfieldhorn
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11:04pm Sat 1 Sep 12
lutondown
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11:07pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Hatfieldhorn wrote:Just like every other manager out there
Zola at tipping point next few weeks , really like the guy but failure and hes out the door success and he will go to a bigger club. We are just a stepping stone for this guy and we can argue all we like but it will be all of us still here supporting the club in 12 months time . Keep those fingers crossed !!!!!!!!!
Talk about glass half empty
Zzzzzzzzz
holtonian
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11:13pm Sat 1 Sep 12
Zola and the Pozzo family are only men not miracle workers.
lutondown
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11:27pm Sat 1 Sep 12
holtonian wrote:Yep
No way should Gianfranco shoulder the total blame for a defeat. He has a huge squad that has grown day by day. My knowledge of our new loans is very encouraging indeed.He has the pieces of the jigsaw but it takes time to both get players fit and gel as a team obviously.Today he has a huge task ahead, he does not need additional pressure from us as supporters of our loved team.We are part of Watford FC a 12th man if you like. Be calm be patient it will turn for the good in due course, it might take a season or two but month by month the quality of the side will show.
Zola and the Pozzo family are only men not miracle workers.
Hatfieldhorn
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11:28pm Sat 1 Sep 12
C O Y H s
holtonian
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11:32pm Sat 1 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Ouch hopefully you will get payback when the Rams come to the Vic
Holly68 wrote:That bit ain't funny
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
dmuz
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11:44pm Sat 1 Sep 12
holtonian wrote:Holly, where did you go for food? Seems bloody expensive for an adult and child. Why buy a programme and why place a bet?
lutondown wrote:Ouch hopefully you will get payback when the Rams come to the Vic
Holly68 wrote:That bit ain't funny
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
To be fair, if i went today, i would've spent that much on booze to numb the pain.
AndyHandShandy
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12:07am Sun 2 Sep 12
Henry VIII
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12:32am Sun 2 Sep 12
keithexballboy
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2:15am Sun 2 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Get the coach
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
keithexballboy
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2:25am Sun 2 Sep 12
SAHornet
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7:22am Sun 2 Sep 12
@ChrisBottom16 wrote:Best post of the day, Chris. Well said mate.
Monstermunch17 wrote:Are you some sort of div? Im assumin you wernt at todays game so i will help you. Nosworthy and Dickinson who were 2 of Dyches signings were at fault for 3 goals and were an embarasment. Hogg gave away the 4th goal again a Dyche signing! Yeates and Big Chris were still on the bus and were as much use as a chocolate tea pot! Garner isnt even in the squad. All 3 Dyche signings. Dyche had a good season but would not have a clue how to handle the players we have who by the way are very good. Hopefully this little insight into what happened today opens your eyes and helps you to stop talkin like a prat.
Zola comes across as exactly what he is: a man utterly out of his depth.
The Pozzos should have kept Dyche, added 3-4 players to last year's squad, with the option to strengthen further if need be. Instead, they arrogantly, and rather clumsily, threw the baby out with the bathwater, and now we are all over the place.
Zola = nice guy, great player, terrible manager.
pete50
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8:49am Sun 2 Sep 12
pete50
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8:49am Sun 2 Sep 12
DuffmanWFC
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9:42am Sun 2 Sep 12
8:49am Sun 2 Sep 12
Am I the only one worried that Zola is still playing Dickinson, big Chris, Murray (sadly he needs to sort himself). Yeats et al? Some of these loanees must be fit enough??
The above except Murray pete50 will not be in the real 1st team squad of 18 come October mate. They would of been assessed by Zola by now of there capabilities and are only getting game time so they are match fit come the loan window. The loaned players I earlier spoke of will be our regular left back, right back, and creative midfielders and goal scorers. Murray, Doyley, Hogg and maybe even Deeney if he proves to Zola he is sorry and 100% committed to this side will be the only regular players in this 18 and maybe Eustace when ready can be our enforcer as we may need him to add a bit of steel in certain games! We haven't seen the best 11 take the pitch yet but trust me it will happen very soon
DuffmanWFC
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9:52am Sun 2 Sep 12
surreyhorn
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9:52am Sun 2 Sep 12
Despite that the comments are completely over the top.In my view it was the old guard that let us down and proved that they aren't up to it.
Compare how their guy lead the line with the mobility of Big Chris.
After the euphoria of last week everything is doom and gloom now.
It aint the first game I've been to where we've been thumped and it won't be the last.
It will serve as a good reality check but for people to be on Zola's back and say things would have been better under the old regime is pathetic.
Still no doubt WHEN we hammer someone everything will be wonderful again.
WFC4ever
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9:57am Sun 2 Sep 12
I am not keen on having so many players forced upon Zola but if it means we don't see Dickinson at centre half then so be it!
Richard - Come On You Golden Boys!
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10:23am Sun 2 Sep 12
We must recognise and buy into the fact that we are not WFC in isolation and are now part of the Pozzo football group.
We will not like all the decisions, especially in the short term, but there was and is no alternative to their takeover and from my viewpoint the positives clearly outweigh the negatives.
However, the Centre half situation yesterday was a shambles and shows Zola is not calling the shots. But he must've bought into the overall plan when he took the job and we need to do the same and get behind him and the new team.
He's now got a fortnight to pull things around and produce a better performance at Bolton. Will be interesting to see the teamsheet for that one.
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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10:58am Sun 2 Sep 12
Bear in mind we have not played a top half team, or one that will finish top half, yet.
It's not fair to blame all on the pre GZ players - Putil & Abdi were awful too. I left after goal #5.
There were exceptional circumstances yesterday - the games after the break will give a better indication of our prospects.
Respect GZ's honesty, and like the guy, but he shoud never underestimate ANY team in this league.
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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11:03am Sun 2 Sep 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:sorry PuDil !
yes there has been an over-reaction, just as there was last week after the encouraging game vs brum.
Bear in mind we have not played a top half team, or one that will finish top half, yet.
It's not fair to blame all on the pre GZ players - Putil & Abdi were awful too. I left after goal #5.
There were exceptional circumstances yesterday - the games after the break will give a better indication of our prospects.
Respect GZ's honesty, and like the guy, but he shoud never underestimate ANY team in this league.
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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11:05am Sun 2 Sep 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:.and "SHOULD"....bloody keyboard !
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:sorry PuDil !
yes there has been an over-reaction, just as there was last week after the encouraging game vs brum.
Bear in mind we have not played a top half team, or one that will finish top half, yet.
It's not fair to blame all on the pre GZ players - Putil & Abdi were awful too. I left after goal #5.
There were exceptional circumstances yesterday - the games after the break will give a better indication of our prospects.
Respect GZ's honesty, and like the guy, but he shoud never underestimate ANY team in this league.
holtonian
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11:09am Sun 2 Sep 12
DuffmanWFC wrote:My sentiment also.
On the negative Granada and Udinese stuff that's been posted on this site:- Fact is the Pozzo's have taken over theese clubs and turned there fortunes around as Usinese is a club that has played regularly in top European club football, had there stadium modernised and now have a scouting network that even our top Premier League clubs would be proud of! And as for Granada.... Well ground inprovement and promotions to La Liga and staying there! Nuff said on that! Not being funny but I don't mind signing lots of players from these 2 especially as not one of our crop would get into the dressing room let alone in the side!
JohnnyBarnes
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11:12am Sun 2 Sep 12
I also think that the latest players coming in with an option to buy is not only sensible, given that we don't know what division we'll be playing in next year, but is a nice statement from the Pozzos that (a) they're not going anywhere anytime soon, and (b) their intention isn't simply to let us turn these into great players before flying them back to Italy. If they settle quickly and perform well in the English game, we'll have them.
The squad is clearly too big - probably 20 players over the ideal - but given time, I'm sure we'll see a lot of them (Forsyth, Yeates, Garner, Lloyd, Dickinson, Nosworthy, Jenkins etc) shipped out... not least because the Pozzos are businessmen - and why pay more wages than you have to?! It's a lot of change happening in a short space of time, but we overachieved last season with the players we had, so new blood is a requirement if we want to go up. I think we just need to embrace what's happening, compare it to what could have been (Baz marching us into administration) and accept that change had to happen - change, in this case, for the good (ultimately).
lutondown
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11:40am Sun 2 Sep 12
JohnnyBarnes wrote:Thank god for the voices of sanity!
There seems to be a lot of feeling that Zola isn't calling the shots here. I can't speak intelligently about whether or not that's the case, but neither do I see any evidence of it. He's always come across as a man of principle and integrity, and to play Lloyd, Nos and Dickinson in the back four yesterday suggests to me that he's giving the old guard a chance to prove themselves. If he just strolled in, binned these guys off and immediately started playing the new crop, he'd be battered on these message boards for ripping the heart out of the club. As it is, they've been given a go - and may continue to be for a while - but have clearly shown (and not only yesterday) that they're not up to playing the kind of expansive passing football that we'd all like to see... and which I'm sure will ultimately see us promoted.
I also think that the latest players coming in with an option to buy is not only sensible, given that we don't know what division we'll be playing in next year, but is a nice statement from the Pozzos that (a) they're not going anywhere anytime soon, and (b) their intention isn't simply to let us turn these into great players before flying them back to Italy. If they settle quickly and perform well in the English game, we'll have them.
The squad is clearly too big - probably 20 players over the ideal - but given time, I'm sure we'll see a lot of them (Forsyth, Yeates, Garner, Lloyd, Dickinson, Nosworthy, Jenkins etc) shipped out... not least because the Pozzos are businessmen - and why pay more wages than you have to?! It's a lot of change happening in a short space of time, but we overachieved last season with the players we had, so new blood is a requirement if we want to go up. I think we just need to embrace what's happening, compare it to what could have been (Baz marching us into administration) and accept that change had to happen - change, in this case, for the good (ultimately).
Good post, and I really wonder what the nay slayers really want for our club?
Anyway I'm bored with yesterday, more interested in tomorrow
micksolly
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12:01pm Sun 2 Sep 12
gilesy97
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1:20pm Sun 2 Sep 12
JohnnyBarnes
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1:53pm Sun 2 Sep 12
gilesy97 wrote:How do we know the whole club is unhappy? I'd be curious to know what that's based on...
I'm getting more of the opinion , that as Zola is such a nice guy , and respected he was put in knowing he would take the orders from above and try to smooth over the transition with the fans. What the pozzos really want is an established italian manager to run it. Zola' has even instructed the new players to learn english ......Its a shambles but was always going to be. Thats why the whole club is uhappy , apart from the supporters that think they're getting into the premiership by may .
watford9140
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2:10pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Dr,Oftaw
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3:08pm Sun 2 Sep 12
gilesy97 wrote:We were told right from the start that the premier is their long term aim no one said this may. this season is about settling in and trying to find the right players
I'm getting more of the opinion , that as Zola is such a nice guy , and respected he was put in knowing he would take the orders from above and try to smooth over the transition with the fans. What the pozzos really want is an established italian manager to run it. Zola' has even instructed the new players to learn english ......Its a shambles but was always going to be. Thats why the whole club is uhappy , apart from the supporters that think they're getting into the premiership by may .
bushey tales
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3:33pm Sun 2 Sep 12
ElGingerino
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3:34pm Sun 2 Sep 12
lutondown
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3:36pm Sun 2 Sep 12
bushey tales wrote:I see you picked the bones out of that one
In answer to Watford9140, can I recommend the September edition of When Saturday Comes (available in WH Smith etc) for a considered article on how the Pozzo acquisitions of Watford and Granada have gone down in Udine? The answer, in brief, is not very well. In fact the Udinese fans have written an open letter to Old Man Pozzo pleading for some of the funds to be diverted back towards their club and away from Granada and Watford. The Udinese coach is also quoted as saying that he has so many players nominally on the club's books that he has no idea who half of them are and that the club's main objective, despite Champion's League qualification (although I see they've already been eliminated) is to survive in Serie A. It's a really interesting piece which I'd recommend to anyone genuinely interested in how the Pozzo's run their clubs. One other aspect is that despite their recent successes the Udinese fans have voted with their feet to such a degree that their season ticket numbers are now down to a level similar to our own.
Go away you misery
ElGingerino
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3:47pm Sun 2 Sep 12
bushey tales wrote:Even their own don't like this set up, which is funny because all this is set up to channel large amounts of money back into Udinese.
In answer to Watford9140, can I recommend the September edition of When Saturday Comes (available in WH Smith etc) for a considered article on how the Pozzo acquisitions of Watford and Granada have gone down in Udine? The answer, in brief, is not very well. In fact the Udinese fans have written an open letter to Old Man Pozzo pleading for some of the funds to be diverted back towards their club and away from Granada and Watford. The Udinese coach is also quoted as saying that he has so many players nominally on the club's books that he has no idea who half of them are and that the club's main objective, despite Champion's League qualification (although I see they've already been eliminated) is to survive in Serie A. It's a really interesting piece which I'd recommend to anyone genuinely interested in how the Pozzo's run their clubs. One other aspect is that despite their recent successes the Udinese fans have voted with their feet to such a degree that their season ticket numbers are now down to a level similar to our own.
bushey tales
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3:49pm Sun 2 Sep 12
ElGingerino
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3:55pm Sun 2 Sep 12
bushey tales wrote:To be honest I think a lot are happy to hide behind the 'they saved us' wall and will only peep over it to gloat at doubters if something good happens and will probably just bury their heads once that wall falls down completely.
No, not at all - no underlying mischief intended, I was just trying to answer a question and give a fair representation of what was written. What I didn't add was that the fans letter also included, 'We don't understand why you continue to deny, until the very last minute, that players will be leaving when the evidence clearly shows that negotiations have been advanced for some time......as bianconeri fans we have to be able to dream, there has to be an objective that we can reach together: squad, coach, club and supporters.' Like I said, it's an interesting read but obviously everybody on here can choose to believe whatever they like.
lutondown
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4:20pm Sun 2 Sep 12
ElGingerino wrote:Hair dye should cheer you up
bushey tales wrote:To be honest I think a lot are happy to hide behind the 'they saved us' wall and will only peep over it to gloat at doubters if something good happens and will probably just bury their heads once that wall falls down completely.
No, not at all - no underlying mischief intended, I was just trying to answer a question and give a fair representation of what was written. What I didn't add was that the fans letter also included, 'We don't understand why you continue to deny, until the very last minute, that players will be leaving when the evidence clearly shows that negotiations have been advanced for some time......as bianconeri fans we have to be able to dream, there has to be an objective that we can reach together: squad, coach, club and supporters.' Like I said, it's an interesting read but obviously everybody on here can choose to believe whatever they like.
holtonian
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4:59pm Sun 2 Sep 12
watford9140 wrote:Today Udinese are the flagship of the Pozzo football empire quite rightly so. But in answer to your question i suspect they would be happy as now it gives them the chance to strengthen there side with a new crop of players. Most of our loan players are fringe first team players .Bit like a conveyor belt. All in house money though.
can anyone give any insight into what the udinese fans think of half their team leaving to come here and paying the bills for it?
lutondown
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5:08pm Sun 2 Sep 12
ElGingerino wrote:Yep they saved us, bad men for doing that.
bushey tales wrote:To be honest I think a lot are happy to hide behind the 'they saved us' wall and will only peep over it to gloat at doubters if something good happens and will probably just bury their heads once that wall falls down completely.
No, not at all - no underlying mischief intended, I was just trying to answer a question and give a fair representation of what was written. What I didn't add was that the fans letter also included, 'We don't understand why you continue to deny, until the very last minute, that players will be leaving when the evidence clearly shows that negotiations have been advanced for some time......as bianconeri fans we have to be able to dream, there has to be an objective that we can reach together: squad, coach, club and supporters.' Like I said, it's an interesting read but obviously everybody on here can choose to believe whatever they like.
But el gingivitis toothpaste and hair dye will help you be a better person.
And something good has happened, Bas has gone, we have a future, we will play decent football and tomorrow we will regroup, and you Red, your till be ginger
Holly68
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6:29pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Now with negative energy from the doom mongers, we will slip down the scales, with positive energy we could rise up the scales, one thing for sure, a few weeks ago we wouldn't of been on any scales !!!!
Change is happening, it is not an unhappy dressing room, it's natural for those fearing their place to feel insecure, for those that speak same language to sit next to each other on the coach, and getting the foreign legion to learn English is a good thing ! Or do we get the English to learn Italian !? When in Rome my friends.
On the subject of Rome, it wasn't built in a day .....
Football as we knew it has changed. Vydra has given 100% in every game, Almunia is much more confident than his predecessor, Abdi and Pudil have shown quality and yesterday will be a learning curve, Anya looks lively, the rest haven't had enough chances yet, unlike our old guard who can't play football on the ground to the same technical level.
If the old guard play a training match v the new players, I know who my money's on !!
Four games in, let's review at Xmas, not after 4 games. Who knows Neuton "might" be Taylor on Steriods, don't judge when he hasn't even arrived.
Our support was poor yesterday, it was 0-0 for 25 minutes, it was a morgue, we the fans have to play our part, so we got what we deserved.
You have to break a few "Happy" eggs to make an Omlette !!
Its 30 years ago we went on a journey, it's time to try a new venture !
Rise Up, let's pull together, COYH
lutondown
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7:05pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:That's got me motivated! COYH
If we'd won, we would be second, it's early doors, 3 points from second, 3 points from 2nd bottom, if we were a pair of scales, we'd be nicely in the middle.
Now with negative energy from the doom mongers, we will slip down the scales, with positive energy we could rise up the scales, one thing for sure, a few weeks ago we wouldn't of been on any scales !!!!
Change is happening, it is not an unhappy dressing room, it's natural for those fearing their place to feel insecure, for those that speak same language to sit next to each other on the coach, and getting the foreign legion to learn English is a good thing ! Or do we get the English to learn Italian !? When in Rome my friends.
On the subject of Rome, it wasn't built in a day .....
Football as we knew it has changed. Vydra has given 100% in every game, Almunia is much more confident than his predecessor, Abdi and Pudil have shown quality and yesterday will be a learning curve, Anya looks lively, the rest haven't had enough chances yet, unlike our old guard who can't play football on the ground to the same technical level.
If the old guard play a training match v the new players, I know who my money's on !!
Four games in, let's review at Xmas, not after 4 games. Who knows Neuton "might" be Taylor on Steriods, don't judge when he hasn't even arrived.
Our support was poor yesterday, it was 0-0 for 25 minutes, it was a morgue, we the fans have to play our part, so we got what we deserved.
You have to break a few "Happy" eggs to make an Omlette !!
Its 30 years ago we went on a journey, it's time to try a new venture !
Rise Up, let's pull together, COYH
I'm off to attack Luton
On second thoughts..
The BestTrip2011
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7:09pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Dr,Oftaw
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7:19pm Sun 2 Sep 12
ElGingerino wrote:Clown
This is what happens when you replace heart and passion with a circus.
francowatford
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7:29pm Sun 2 Sep 12
lutondown
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8:01pm Sun 2 Sep 12
francowatford wrote:They think they were a little club, with no prospects, facing obscurity, then comes Don Pozzo who turned them into a club taking them into the top flight and challenging for a European championship, they have a small fan base. They then did the same with Granada and are two months ( that's all) into a similar project with Watford.
I must admit I would like hear more from udinese fans and what they think. Straight from the horses chops
Why are people do intent on finding something negative? It'll be no different to here with Numptys wishing for the 'good old days' and those who like abd embrace change.
Anyway, it's the same as those asking what GT thinks, it'll go ahead regardless. Que sera sera
lutondown
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8:02pm Sun 2 Sep 12
francowatford wrote:And we'll call you Parrot now!
I must admit I would like hear more from udinese fans and what they think. Straight from the horses chops
dal8oy
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8:25pm Sun 2 Sep 12
lutondown
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8:29pm Sun 2 Sep 12
dal8oy wrote:I can't believe the twaddle on here
Well I tell you what the Pozzo's have had a terrible weekend for their teams. We lose 5-1 Udinese lose 4-1 and Granada are losing 3-0. Maybe they have bitten off more than they can chew?
Jeez
bushey tales
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9:10pm Sun 2 Sep 12
ElGingerino
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9:28pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Dr,Oftaw wrote:Clowns actually,
ElGingerino wrote:Clown
This is what happens when you replace heart and passion with a circus.
Two ringleaders, their token, famous face manager wth limited contol and the 16 mercenary clowns loaned from the Udinese state circus.
All this and the big top they have created will still never get its forth side.
DuffmanWFC
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9:45pm Sun 2 Sep 12
DuffmanWFC
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9:53pm Sun 2 Sep 12
bushey tales
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10:11pm Sun 2 Sep 12
SAHornet
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10:13pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:WHAT?......50 quid for a meal for 2 at F&B - now I remember why I left Ingly Wingly. My missus and me had the all you can eat bbq spare ribs, prawns, bbq chicken and chips special + 4 pints of Castle draft at Glendore Arms Pub before kick off on Hornet Player and cost R119 each (9 quid). You'll be telling me that the motorway was congested and it was raining next ! Ha.
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
radlettman
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10:16pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Oh yeah forgot .... he's not too good with foreign owners either....!!
MUSTOITALIA
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10:17pm Sun 2 Sep 12
People dont like change but it was change that was needed and urgently. If we was taken over by roman abramovich and he brought us those 16 players would you be happy? I think this is a safe way of pushing our financies in the right direction without taking on more financial commitment. No one is saying thats it were fine prem next year what people are saying is something is happening and lets try and be excited about it??
buckler
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10:34pm Sun 2 Sep 12
SAHornet wrote:Hornet player, cheap grub and SA or Going to games, grub and England! No way SA for me thanks!
Holly68 wrote:WHAT?......50 quid for a meal for 2 at F&B - now I remember why I left Ingly Wingly. My missus and me had the all you can eat bbq spare ribs, prawns, bbq chicken and chips special + 4 pints of Castle draft at Glendore Arms Pub before kick off on Hornet Player and cost R119 each (9 quid). You'll be telling me that the motorway was congested and it was raining next ! Ha.
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
Holly68
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11:32pm Sun 2 Sep 12
1 Almunia 2 Hodson 3 Dickinson 4 Eustace 6 Hall 7 Yeates 8 Hogg 9 Deeney 10 Iwelumo 11 Forsyth 12 Doyley 13 Beleck 14 Jenkins 15 McGinn 16 Murray 18 Pudil 19 Buaben 20 Vydra 21 Anya 22 Abdi 23 Mingoia 24 Whichelow 25 Garner 27 Cassetti 28 Smith 30 Bond 31 Hoban 32 Tumwa 33 Nosworthy 34 Bonham 35 Hamilton-Forbes 36 Geijo 37 Bia — Battocchio — Chalobah — Ekstrand — Fanchone — Forestieri — Neuton Manager: Zola
39 players (plus 3 out on loan)
Zola says he wants Max 30 in squad.
So which 9 will go ???
Holly68
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11:38pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Hamilton-Forbes
Watford F.C. – current squad
1 Almunia 2 Hodson 3 Dickinson 4 Eustace 6 Hall 7 Yeates 8 Hogg 9 Deeney 10 Iwelumo 11 Forsyth 12 Doyley 13 Beleck 14 Jenkins 15 McGinn 16 Murray 18 Pudil 19 Buaben 20 Vydra 21 Anya 22 Abdi 23 Mingoia 24 Whichelow 25 Garner 27 Cassetti 28 Smith 30 Bond 31 Hoban 32 Tumwa 33 Nosworthy 34 Bonham 35 Hamilton-For
bes 36 Geijo 37 Bia — Battocchio — Chalobah — Ekstrand — Fanchone — Forestieri — Neuton Manager: Zola
39 players (plus 3 out on loan)
Zola says he wants Max 30 in squad.
So which 9 will go ???
Tumwa
Garner
Whichelow
Mingoia
Bauben
Mcginn
Jenkins
Forsyth
Plus Hoban, Smith, Bonhom to go out on loan but kept
Holly68
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11:50pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Right Backs : Cassetti, Doyley, Hodson
Left Backs : Pudil, Fachone, Dickinson
Centre Half's : Ekstrand, Neuton, Hall, Nosworthy
Midfield : Eustace, Hogg, Abdi, Yeates, Battochio, Chalobah
Wingers : Murray, Bia, Anya, Vydra,
Strikers : Geijo, Beleck, Forestieri, Iwelumo, Deeney
gilesy97
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11:50pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Holly68
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11:57pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
Hornet Cornet
says...
12:00am Mon 3 Sep 12
gilesy97
says...
12:15am Mon 3 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:it could be .....but surely you've made an error.Isn't there a British player in the lineup :)
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
lutondown
says...
5:30am Mon 3 Sep 12
buckler wrote:Blow that Buck, I'm Orf! SAH, line up the castles!
SAHornet wrote:Hornet player, cheap grub and SA or Going to games, grub and England! No way SA for me thanks!
Holly68 wrote:WHAT?......50 quid for a meal for 2 at F&B - now I remember why I left Ingly Wingly. My missus and me had the all you can eat bbq spare ribs, prawns, bbq chicken and chips special + 4 pints of Castle draft at Glendore Arms Pub before kick off on Hornet Player and cost R119 each (9 quid). You'll be telling me that the motorway was congested and it was raining next ! Ha.
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
lutondown
says...
5:30am Mon 3 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Blow that Buck, I'm Orf! SAH, line up the castles!
we are not getting relegated you doom mongering fish mongers
lutondown
says...
5:31am Mon 3 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Lol, Your nuts HC!
we are not getting relegated you doom mongering fish mongers
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
says...
7:54am Mon 3 Sep 12
SAHornet
says...
8:02am Mon 3 Sep 12
buckler wrote:It's a free world Buck old fella. The only part of your post I agree with is "going to games". Miss it like hell. Have a good 'un.
SAHornet wrote:Hornet player, cheap grub and SA or Going to games, grub and England! No way SA for me thanks!
Holly68 wrote:WHAT?......50 quid for a meal for 2 at F&B - now I remember why I left Ingly Wingly. My missus and me had the all you can eat bbq spare ribs, prawns, bbq chicken and chips special + 4 pints of Castle draft at Glendore Arms Pub before kick off on Hornet Player and cost R119 each (9 quid). You'll be telling me that the motorway was congested and it was raining next ! Ha.
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
SAHornet
says...
8:05am Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:They're on the bar waiting, fella.
buckler wrote:Blow that Buck, I'm Orf! SAH, line up the castles!
SAHornet wrote:Hornet player, cheap grub and SA or Going to games, grub and England! No way SA for me thanks!
Holly68 wrote:WHAT?......50 quid for a meal for 2 at F&B - now I remember why I left Ingly Wingly. My missus and me had the all you can eat bbq spare ribs, prawns, bbq chicken and chips special + 4 pints of Castle draft at Glendore Arms Pub before kick off on Hornet Player and cost R119 each (9 quid). You'll be telling me that the motorway was congested and it was raining next ! Ha.
Petrol £50
Parking £6
Programme £3
Food and Drinks £50 F&B
Entrance Adult and Child £40
Lost Bet £25
£174 day out !!!!!
Chris the Vic
says...
8:36am Mon 3 Sep 12
In the case of WFC Zola was let down totally by Nani who got rid of taylor along with lending out Bennett and Thompson.
On hearing more about the incredible rise of Grenada, it appears whatever is said we will be given enough reasonable players by Udinese to survive and maybe do better. The price we pay is we lose our local and national players for a period of time. In the longer term if things go well we may well be equal partners with Udinese but this is sometime off, it does however beg the question as to whether w need Nani. On Friday he stabbed Zola in the back and cost us the chance of competing for three points and he seems powerless to stop injured/unfit players being sent to us and often the priority is not there. We have a weakness at Centre Back, Striker and central midfield. To date these positions have not successfully been addressed. Maybe we have players on our books who can fill these positions BUT they are either injured or unfit or worse still deemed not to be up to it by the manager.
I think the Pozzos will be good for us, Duxberry and Zola may be and all need to be given time but Nani's start as Mr Boss of football has been extremely disappointing to date. The Happy Clappers may not agree and of course will base their responses on their opinion being fact but I am sure we all hope Nani will like his namesake get better and not prove the Hammers opinion of him correct.
MUSTOITALIA
says...
9:10am Mon 3 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
londomollari
says...
9:20am Mon 3 Sep 12
Chris the Vic wrote:In general, agree. I feel Nani messed up on Friday. However, it's too early to pass judgement on him, as it is on the new regime in general. I have never felt comfortable with Nani or Duxberry, but they must be given a chance PARTICULARLY as, without them, none of the changes would have taken place, and Basinni would still be here.
On Sunday Judas was asked whether he felt let down by Andy Carroll being lent out without a replacement being recruited He dodged the question. Jamie Redknapp said whoever did it was seriously naive and had let Judas down.
In the case of WFC Zola was let down totally by Nani who got rid of taylor along with lending out Bennett and Thompson.
On hearing more about the incredible rise of Grenada, it appears whatever is said we will be given enough reasonable players by Udinese to survive and maybe do better. The price we pay is we lose our local and national players for a period of time. In the longer term if things go well we may well be equal partners with Udinese but this is sometime off, it does however beg the question as to whether w need Nani. On Friday he stabbed Zola in the back and cost us the chance of competing for three points and he seems powerless to stop injured/unfit players being sent to us and often the priority is not there. We have a weakness at Centre Back, Striker and central midfield. To date these positions have not successfully been addressed. Maybe we have players on our books who can fill these positions BUT they are either injured or unfit or worse still deemed not to be up to it by the manager.
I think the Pozzos will be good for us, Duxberry and Zola may be and all need to be given time but Nani's start as Mr Boss of football has been extremely disappointing to date. The Happy Clappers may not agree and of course will base their responses on their opinion being fact but I am sure we all hope Nani will like his namesake get better and not prove the Hammers opinion of him correct.
pete50
says...
9:26am Mon 3 Sep 12
londomollari
says...
9:26am Mon 3 Sep 12
MUSTOITALIA wrote:Potentially, yes, what a squad. The Udinese second eleven. Potentially wonderful, but let's see (most) of them play first before waxing lyrical. Like all signings, a proportion will not work out, but in the vast squad we now have, there MUST be a wonderful team. It's down to Zola, now, to find it.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
Travelling Hornet
says...
9:48am Mon 3 Sep 12
gilesy97 wrote:Chalobah is English!
Holly68 wrote:it could be .....but surely you've made an error.Isn't there a British player in the lineup :)
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
stevemag
says...
10:40am Mon 3 Sep 12
Travelling Hornet wrote:Holly 68:-
gilesy97 wrote:Chalobah is English!
Holly68 wrote:it could be .....but surely you've made an error.Isn't there a British player in the lineup :)
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
Where does Sean Murray fit in ?!
gilesy97
says...
10:59am Mon 3 Sep 12
Travelling Hornet wrote:sarcasm my dear......one brit in the team , a token gesture.:)
gilesy97 wrote:Chalobah is English!
Holly68 wrote:it could be .....but surely you've made an error.Isn't there a British player in the lineup :)
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
londomollari
says...
12:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:You would keep Dicko, then?
Goalies : Almunia, Bond, Bonhom
Right Backs : Cassetti, Doyley, Hodson
Left Backs : Pudil, Fachone, Dickinson
Centre Half's : Ekstrand, Neuton, Hall, Nosworthy
Midfield : Eustace, Hogg, Abdi, Yeates, Battochio, Chalobah
Wingers : Murray, Bia, Anya, Vydra,
Strikers : Geijo, Beleck, Forestieri, Iwelumo, Deeney
MUSTOITALIA
says...
12:36pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Travelling Hornet wrote:Anya is scottish also
gilesy97 wrote:Chalobah is English!
Holly68 wrote:it could be .....but surely you've made an error.Isn't there a British player in the lineup :)
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
lockerbiehornet
says...
12:49pm Mon 3 Sep 12
londomollari wrote:One of the reasons these players aren't fit is that Serie A kicks off 2 weeks after our season starts, so their effectively 2 weeks behind, meaning they should all be fit for Wanderer's my 1st game of the year, only 300 mile round trip but better then the 750 to Vic and back!!! Be positive, come on there' s a good chance in the next 2 years we'll be a Premiership club
Chris the Vic wrote:In general, agree. I feel Nani messed up on Friday. However, it's too early to pass judgement on him, as it is on the new regime in general. I have never felt comfortable with Nani or Duxberry, but they must be given a chance PARTICULARLY as, without them, none of the changes would have taken place, and Basinni would still be here.
On Sunday Judas was asked whether he felt let down by Andy Carroll being lent out without a replacement being recruited He dodged the question. Jamie Redknapp said whoever did it was seriously naive and had let Judas down.
In the case of WFC Zola was let down totally by Nani who got rid of taylor along with lending out Bennett and Thompson.
On hearing more about the incredible rise of Grenada, it appears whatever is said we will be given enough reasonable players by Udinese to survive and maybe do better. The price we pay is we lose our local and national players for a period of time. In the longer term if things go well we may well be equal partners with Udinese but this is sometime off, it does however beg the question as to whether w need Nani. On Friday he stabbed Zola in the back and cost us the chance of competing for three points and he seems powerless to stop injured/unfit players being sent to us and often the priority is not there. We have a weakness at Centre Back, Striker and central midfield. To date these positions have not successfully been addressed. Maybe we have players on our books who can fill these positions BUT they are either injured or unfit or worse still deemed not to be up to it by the manager.
I think the Pozzos will be good for us, Duxberry and Zola may be and all need to be given time but Nani's start as Mr Boss of football has been extremely disappointing to date. The Happy Clappers may not agree and of course will base their responses on their opinion being fact but I am sure we all hope Nani will like his namesake get better and not prove the Hammers opinion of him correct.
again
COYGB's
Travelling Hornet
says...
12:54pm Mon 3 Sep 12
gilesy97 wrote:So do we field players just because they are British , surely we play the available to us!
Travelling Hornet wrote:sarcasm my dear......one brit in the team , a token gesture.:)
gilesy97 wrote:Chalobah is English!
Holly68 wrote:it could be .....but surely you've made an error.Isn't there a British player in the lineup :)
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
Holly68
says...
1:24pm Mon 3 Sep 12
londomollari wrote:As Harry Hornet
Holly68 wrote: Goalies : Almunia, Bond, Bonhom Right Backs : Cassetti, Doyley, Hodson Left Backs : Pudil, Fachone, Dickinson Centre Half's : Ekstrand, Neuton, Hall, Nosworthy Midfield : Eustace, Hogg, Abdi, Yeates, Battochio, Chalobah Wingers : Murray, Bia, Anya, Vydra, Strikers : Geijo, Beleck, Forestieri, Iwelumo, DeeneyYou would keep Dicko, then?
lutondown
says...
4:10pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Travelling Hornet wrote:And by all accounts an excellent prospect for the England team in the future
gilesy97 wrote:Chalobah is English!
Holly68 wrote:it could be .....but surely you've made an error.Isn't there a British player in the lineup :)
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
lutondown
says...
4:13pm Mon 3 Sep 12
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
lutondown
says...
4:15pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
Hornet Cornet
says...
4:40pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
lutondown
says...
4:42pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Mad! Lol
There was a young chap called Zola,
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
cornet, you make me laugh buddy!
Come on post more cornetisms
akureyri
says...
5:18pm Mon 3 Sep 12
I am running for cover already for suggesting this.
lutondown
says...
5:23pm Mon 3 Sep 12
akureyri wrote:If Bas was still in charge? He wouldn't be, we'd be in admin and going the way of that shower up the road.
How would the reaction have gone if Laurence Bassini was still in charge?
I am running for cover already for suggesting this.
FFS I really don't think we deserved saving, small minded people yearning for a small minded club.
I feel sorry for Zola, a decent man in charge of a monastery full of moaning monks
@ChrisBottom16
says...
5:34pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Almunia.
Cassetti. Chalobah. Neuton. Pudil.
Murray. Abdi. Battocchio.
Forestieri. Geijo. Vydra.
Subs:
Bond. Doyley. Ekstrand. Hogg. Bia. Anya. Beleck.
D.unstable
says...
5:37pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:I have given up trying to paint the big picture for a few small minded lost souls on here, life is too short buddy.
akureyri wrote: How would the reaction have gone if Laurence Bassini was still in charge? I am running for cover already for suggesting this.If Bas was still in charge? He wouldn't be, we'd be in admin and going the way of that shower up the road. FFS I really don't think we deserved saving, small minded people yearning for a small minded club. I feel sorry for Zola, a decent man in charge of a monastery full of moaning monks
I am sure they are on a wind up.
@ChrisBottom16
says...
5:48pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Haha sounds good to me buddy!!
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
dal8oy
says...
5:49pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Not sure this squad is allowed is it? It does not comply with the Home Grown rules I dont think...............
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
.
lutondown
says...
5:53pm Mon 3 Sep 12
dal8oy wrote:English or Brit isles
lutondown wrote:Not sure this squad is allowed is it? It does not comply with the Home Grown rules I dont think...............
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
.
Chabolah Murray ( tho Irish us home grown) Anya, Bond, Hodson, Hall, Hogg
Yep that's legitimate
SAHornet
says...
6:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:NO, NO, NO, NO, NO !
Hornet Cornet wrote:Mad! Lol
There was a young chap called Zola,
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
cornet, you make me laugh buddy!
Come on post more cornetisms
dal8oy
says...
6:09pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Correct me if Im wrong but I dont a Murray on there.............
dal8oy wrote:English or Brit isles
lutondown wrote:Not sure this squad is allowed is it? It does not comply with the Home Grown rules I dont think...............
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
.
Chabolah Murray ( tho Irish us home grown) Anya, Bond, Hodson, Hall, Hogg
Yep that's legitimate
@ChrisBottom16
says...
6:13pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Plus its in the overal squad not he squad. Also i imagine tHE Pozzo's checked the rules before sending us 16 of them here. There not stupid.
dal8oy wrote:English or Brit isles
lutondown wrote:Not sure this squad is allowed is it? It does not comply with the Home Grown rules I dont think...............
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
.
Chabolah Murray ( tho Irish us home grown) Anya, Bond, Hodson, Hall, Hogg
Yep that's legitimate
@ChrisBottom16
says...
6:14pm Mon 3 Sep 12
@ChrisBottom16 wrote:Overall squad not the match day squad.
lutondown wrote:Plus its in the overal squad not he squad. Also i imagine tHE Pozzo's checked the rules before sending us 16 of them here. There not stupid.
dal8oy wrote:English or Brit isles
lutondown wrote:Not sure this squad is allowed is it? It does not comply with the Home Grown rules I dont think...............
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
.
Chabolah Murray ( tho Irish us home grown) Anya, Bond, Hodson, Hall, Hogg
Yep that's legitimate
Goldenboy1960
says...
6:17pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Be carfeful what you have wished for fellas...
1. I believe the fans are voting with their feet and have never seen such low support for an away game that is reasonable to get to at the beginning of September. That back on the worst gates at the beginning of the season for many years at the Vic.
2. I have never seen Watford fans leaving 10 minutes into the 2nd half or shaking their fists at the end of the first half no matter what the score.
3. Nani really pulled one on Zola selling Taylor. The best CH in the Championship and the outstanding performer this season.
4. Nani - I wonder if he is getting some money out of the incoming loan deals?
5. Zola is a tinkerer with the team. From a back 4 to a back 3 and a back 2 all in a week. After 25 seconds I knew we would get a pasting with the way he set up the team. Poor Lloyd didn't know if he should tuck round or run forward. And what was Hogg doing marking the big fella in our 6 yard box?
6. The slick passing is all in our own half and nothing forward. It took 41 minutes for us to get a shot on goal and that was off target.
7. Cassetti the so called International got easily nudged off the ball for the 5th goal.
8. The wall for the direct free kick which I was right in line with left most of the goal wide open.
9. The team was all over the place and it seemed to me the players had no idea and were not organised.
10. Couldn't work out why the players came back for the 2nd half early. After the shambles in the first half he should have used every minute he could to reorganise the team. How can you leave defenders in a 2v2 situation with 2 centre forwards. Suicide
11. I am worried for our club. 45 professionals. Well they will be in different changing rooms at UCL (they all can't get into one dressing room) and I wonder if already there are fractions between the nationalities?
12. The teams you have picked previously in your responses include players you have not yet seen? Dangerous if my intuition about Nani is right.
We are losing the soul of our club, or even it maybe too late, and it has completely gone. Do you think the FA will not plug that loophole for loan signings? Nani and the Pozzos have totally abused it. So then what do we do when we have lost our own jewels?
Oh sorry I'm being negative
MUSTOITALIA
says...
6:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Sorry I missed you guys the bad seems to outweight the good on here im pro zola and willing to talk to all the real optimistic fans I apologize for not including you guys in the list. Glad to see there is more of us though.
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
ElGingerino
says...
7:58pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:A good post, sums up my feelings and worries.
Oh dear.....
Be carfeful what you have wished for fellas...
1. I believe the fans are voting with their feet and have never seen such low support for an away game that is reasonable to get to at the beginning of September. That back on the worst gates at the beginning of the season for many years at the Vic.
2. I have never seen Watford fans leaving 10 minutes into the 2nd half or shaking their fists at the end of the first half no matter what the score.
3. Nani really pulled one on Zola selling Taylor. The best CH in the Championship and the outstanding performer this season.
4. Nani - I wonder if he is getting some money out of the incoming loan deals?
5. Zola is a tinkerer with the team. From a back 4 to a back 3 and a back 2 all in a week. After 25 seconds I knew we would get a pasting with the way he set up the team. Poor Lloyd didn't know if he should tuck round or run forward. And what was Hogg doing marking the big fella in our 6 yard box?
6. The slick passing is all in our own half and nothing forward. It took 41 minutes for us to get a shot on goal and that was off target.
7. Cassetti the so called International got easily nudged off the ball for the 5th goal.
8. The wall for the direct free kick which I was right in line with left most of the goal wide open.
9. The team was all over the place and it seemed to me the players had no idea and were not organised.
10. Couldn't work out why the players came back for the 2nd half early. After the shambles in the first half he should have used every minute he could to reorganise the team. How can you leave defenders in a 2v2 situation with 2 centre forwards. Suicide
11. I am worried for our club. 45 professionals. Well they will be in different changing rooms at UCL (they all can't get into one dressing room) and I wonder if already there are fractions between the nationalities?
12. The teams you have picked previously in your responses include players you have not yet seen? Dangerous if my intuition about Nani is right.
We are losing the soul of our club, or even it maybe too late, and it has completely gone. Do you think the FA will not plug that loophole for loan signings? Nani and the Pozzos have totally abused it. So then what do we do when we have lost our own jewels?
Oh sorry I'm being negative
ElGingerino
says...
8:03pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:No one is anti Zola, its you trying to paint people into sides on here that thinks that.
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
If thats what you want then fair does, might as well have a split fan base, it would just add to it all.
lutondown
says...
8:16pm Mon 3 Sep 12
ElGingerino wrote:Well it's simple really you either support what Zola is trying to achieve or you don't, and it's clear you don't. The man has been in situ for what two months? Changing a style of play, overseeing an influx of talent and waiting for their fitness levels to come right.
lutondown wrote:No one is anti Zola, its you trying to paint people into sides on here that thinks that.
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
If thats what you want then fair does, might as well have a split fan base, it would just add to it all.
The club has been saved, what's not to like about that?
So if your not anti Zola, or indeed anti Watford ( for whether you like it or not, it's Pozzos Watford now) perhaps you'd like to post something positive about the regime rather than the snipes to date?
Holly68
says...
9:16pm Mon 3 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:I had a dream, the administrator had been called in, we were minus 10 points, we were bottom of championship, thevAdministrator had sold Eustace to Leeds for £100k, Murray to Fulham for £500k, Nosworthy to Peterborough for £200k, Hogg and Taylor had gone to Cardiff for £500k, Doyley to Crawley £50k, Hodson to Crystal Palace £150k, and the previous owner had left the club in millions of debt, whilst owning a pub, a bentley and a safe with a few million in it. We had been twinned with Pompey, immediately pulled out of Harefield Academy and released all the academy players. We then turned up at Crystal Palace and lost 0-4, the starting team was :
lutondown wrote:Sorry Chris Bottom, don't know how I missed you out of my list! Two drinks on me it is!
MUSTOITALIA wrote:musto, don't know what posts your reading but myself D unstable Buckler SAH Tiger bay and quite a few others are very pro Zola and the take over.
Holly68 wrote:Thats what im talking about wow what a squad!! Your one of the only people on here worth talking to Sir wheres the real fans at?
Next team line up :
Almunia
Cassetti, Neuton, Ekstrand, Pudil
Chalobah, Battochio, Abdi
Vydra, Anya, Geijo
Subs : Bond, Hodson, Fachone, Hall, Hogg, Bia, Forestieri
I'm a proud Englishman, but accept the game has changed, and anyway Zolas genius and all round lovely fella transcends any borders.
Don't care if the team is made up of Martians as long as we prosper.
FORZA
Bond, Thompson, Bennett, Hoban, Dickinson, Jenkins, Mingoia, Buaben, Forsyth, Garner and Iwelumo. The FA placed a transfer embargo so no new signings for the season. In fact it was a nightmare, but luckily I woke up, owner gone, debts underwritten, 16 new players, world class manager, twinned with two other premier league teams, no points deduction, 6 points on the board, commitment to do the ground up once the team gets top six, THANK FCUK
Holly68
says...
9:19pm Mon 3 Sep 12
SimonW, Godalming
says...
9:58pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:the only reason we got thrashed at Derby is because we lost Taylor, when Dickinson was announced in his place I can't believe it took you as long as 25 seconds to realise what was going to happen, as for your other ramblings I can't recall seeing the same after the wins against Palace & Brum!
Oh dear.....
Be carfeful what you have wished for fellas...
1. I believe the fans are voting with their feet and have never seen such low support for an away game that is reasonable to get to at the beginning of September. That back on the worst gates at the beginning of the season for many years at the Vic.
2. I have never seen Watford fans leaving 10 minutes into the 2nd half or shaking their fists at the end of the first half no matter what the score.
3. Nani really pulled one on Zola selling Taylor. The best CH in the Championship and the outstanding performer this season.
4. Nani - I wonder if he is getting some money out of the incoming loan deals?
5. Zola is a tinkerer with the team. From a back 4 to a back 3 and a back 2 all in a week. After 25 seconds I knew we would get a pasting with the way he set up the team. Poor Lloyd didn't know if he should tuck round or run forward. And what was Hogg doing marking the big fella in our 6 yard box?
6. The slick passing is all in our own half and nothing forward. It took 41 minutes for us to get a shot on goal and that was off target.
7. Cassetti the so called International got easily nudged off the ball for the 5th goal.
8. The wall for the direct free kick which I was right in line with left most of the goal wide open.
9. The team was all over the place and it seemed to me the players had no idea and were not organised.
10. Couldn't work out why the players came back for the 2nd half early. After the shambles in the first half he should have used every minute he could to reorganise the team. How can you leave defenders in a 2v2 situation with 2 centre forwards. Suicide
11. I am worried for our club. 45 professionals. Well they will be in different changing rooms at UCL (they all can't get into one dressing room) and I wonder if already there are fractions between the nationalities?
12. The teams you have picked previously in your responses include players you have not yet seen? Dangerous if my intuition about Nani is right.
We are losing the soul of our club, or even it maybe too late, and it has completely gone. Do you think the FA will not plug that loophole for loan signings? Nani and the Pozzos have totally abused it. So then what do we do when we have lost our own jewels?
Oh sorry I'm being negative
As for Zola, I doubt he is an unwealthy man & if he was'nt happy then surely he would just walk away!
londomollari
says...
10:47pm Mon 3 Sep 12
However, we all have a right to doubt personnel and their abilities. I am uneasy with Nani and Duxbury, but am happy to give them time. I would not have chosen Zola as manager---but again, he must have time. (The expression used in one post on here describing Zola as a 'World class manager' is perhaps a little overenthusiastic). I am optimistic for the future of the club. As long as the Pozzo's don't lose patience if the attendances stay low or Zola fails.
Holly68
says...
11:05pm Mon 3 Sep 12
londomollari wrote:Zola was close to getting Chelsea job, if RDM hadn't won the CL he was favourite.
There is a lot of unwarrented negativity on this site, together with some over-the-top optimism. Yes, without a doubt, with Bassini still around, we would have faced administration. Please remember that when objecting to the Pozzo's. Yes, I regret the days when the club was owned by local football fans, E.J. Etc. Those days have long gone for any team outside the Blue Square. sad but true. The Pozzo's, at least, have a solid record of running clubs---they don't come in, splash money, then dissappear. However, we all have a right to doubt personnel and their abilities. I am uneasy with Nani and Duxbury, but am happy to give them time. I would not have chosen Zola as manager---but again, he must have time. (The expression used in one post on here describing Zola as a 'World class manager' is perhaps a little overenthusiastic). I am optimistic for the future of the club. As long as the Pozzo's don't lose patience if the attendances stay low or Zola fails.
Everyone who has spent anytime in his company since he became our manager (I am fortunate that I have) all says the same positive things.
Yes jury may be out on Duxbury and Nani, as it would be any senior management new to the role, however if we'd signed no one and kept the same team I sense the negativity wouldbe been ten fold, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I said to Scott (1to1) that if in 3 years I am staring at a new main stand, we gave no debt and the team are a secure top 10 championship team I for one would be very happy. He replied that all the above except that Premiership football within 3 years is their remit, or the Pozzo's would out them and bring in a new management team.
My view is Zola has been given too many players with a view to picking out the best, like an all you can eat Chinese Buffett, try a bit of everything, but only choose your favourites when going up for seconds !!
If we get thumped at Bolton the end of the world will be upon us, if we narrowly lose the negative nellies will be remain pessimistic, if we draw then no doubt the jury will still be out, if we WIN it will be World Domination LOL
I for one will reflect on Xmas Day, no judgement until then
COGGDAVE1
says...
11:09pm Mon 3 Sep 12
londomollari wrote:Good post mate, a fair analysis of the situation looking at it from both sides, unusual from most of the posts on here
There is a lot of unwarrented negativity on this site, together with some over-the-top optimism. Yes, without a doubt, with Bassini still around, we would have faced administration. Please remember that when objecting to the Pozzo's. Yes, I regret the days when the club was owned by local football fans, E.J. Etc. Those days have long gone for any team outside the Blue Square. sad but true. The Pozzo's, at least, have a solid record of running clubs---they don't come in, splash money, then dissappear.
However, we all have a right to doubt personnel and their abilities. I am uneasy with Nani and Duxbury, but am happy to give them time. I would not have chosen Zola as manager---but again, he must have time. (The expression used in one post on here describing Zola as a 'World class manager' is perhaps a little overenthusiastic). I am optimistic for the future of the club. As long as the Pozzo's don't lose patience if the attendances stay low or Zola fails.
smarkymark
says...
11:13pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Plus, how can you select a "best X1" without Eustace even on the bench.Some people do have a scoobie do on here lol
londomollari
says...
11:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12
smarkymark wrote:Hollys team does look great, but it needs a leader, and I don't see one--Eustace, maybe? Perhaps that was part of the problem on saturday. Perhaps we need a multi-lingual Captain---how many languages would he need?
"World class manager" LOL
Plus, how can you select a "best X1" without Eustace even on the bench.Some people do have a scoobie do on here lol
davbat
says...
12:06am Tue 4 Sep 12
COYH!
Hornet Cornet
says...
12:15am Tue 4 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Cornetisms on the way old boy. I am liking poetry...
Hornet Cornet wrote:Mad! Lol
There was a young chap called Zola,
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
cornet, you make me laugh buddy!
Come on post more cornetisms
Hornet Cornet
says...
12:19am Tue 4 Sep 12
SAHornet wrote:I am working on my new masterpiece It is an epic...
lutondown wrote:NO, NO, NO, NO, NO !
Hornet Cornet wrote:Mad! Lol
There was a young chap called Zola,
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
cornet, you make me laugh buddy!
Come on post more cornetisms
gilesy97
says...
12:41am Tue 4 Sep 12
Holly68
says...
8:28am Tue 4 Sep 12
davbat wrote:We won't hear from the Pozzo's I am told, they are "Silent" owners !
It would be good to hear from the Pozzo's once in a while via the website or the WO which would help stabilize the ship and show some form of leadership.
COYH!
Duxbury and Nani run the business
Holly68
says...
8:33am Tue 4 Sep 12
smarkymark wrote:out of my squad yes a leader needs to come forward. I'm also hearing Eustace back injury is quite bad, won't see him for a while
"World class manager" LOL
Plus, how can you select a "best X1" without Eustace even on the bench.Some people do have a scoobie do on here lol
It takes time to Gel a new squad, some of the players only arrived in UK yesterday, they hardly gonna be all best mates yet !
The dressing room under GT was not always a happy place, footballers aren't happy if not playing, dropped, feel threatened etc, it's the entertainment business and they get well paid.
For once our team doesn't pick itself
SAHornet
says...
8:38am Tue 4 Sep 12
Holly68
says...
8:39am Tue 4 Sep 12
Holly68
says...
8:42am Tue 4 Sep 12
http://wealdstone-fc
.com/
londomollari
says...
9:05am Tue 4 Sep 12
SAHornet wrote:Spot on. Three years down the line, if attendances don't pick up to the level of the Nani/Duxbury plan (I assume they must have given a figure to the Pozzo's) they will make a business decision. Dependant upon where the team are, of course. Premiership money will carry us through, but if still in the Championship----.So we must all say a little prayer that Zola succeeds.
My main worry at the moment is not Zola, Nani or Duxbury for they can be replaced by The Pozzo's if they see fit. No, my main concern right now is the apathy shown by so many Watford fans in simply not showing up to home games. I am hoping that it is, as previously said, just a combination of August holidays/bank holidays.Olympics etc etc but if we don't start seeing 13,000 - 15,000 in the ground pretty soon, our owners might start to wonder what it is they have invested in.
Mind you, we all have, anyway.
Bush Hornet
says...
10:54am Tue 4 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:It is a work of great beauty. Thank you Hornet Cornet Laureate Bard
SAHornet wrote:I am working on my new masterpiece It is an epic...
lutondown wrote:NO, NO, NO, NO, NO !
Hornet Cornet wrote:Mad! Lol
There was a young chap called Zola,
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
cornet, you make me laugh buddy!
Come on post more cornetisms
Hornet Cornet
says...
12:10pm Tue 4 Sep 12
HC
Hornet Cornet
says...
12:10pm Tue 4 Sep 12
They came from the Italian town of Bolognaise,
Where they roamed in fields of gold and grapes,
They one day found Watford,
Which wasn’t near Rome nor Oxford,
They then nuked Luton, did The Italian Krays.
They went into Boots to try an after-shave tester,
Behind the counter they found Iniesta,
‘I want to be a hornet’ he said,
‘I want to fill the Premiership with dread’,
Then off he went to play for the City of Manchester
Anyone for any more?
HC
buckler
says...
12:35pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Holly68 wrote:Don't be sorry Holly Darling, you talk more sense than most of the numb nuts on here!
Sorry meant
http://wealdstone-fc
.com/
Goldenboy1960
says...
1:14pm Tue 4 Sep 12
SimonW, Godalming wrote:Ummmm we didn't play like that at Palace or against Brum. If he is building a system it is his choice but changing the back 4 in 3 games in a week to play different systems is suicide with or without Taylor. He may have plans in his head about what he wants and fair enough, but don't put players in situations they cannot handle or are not good enough for. Settle the team down into a structure and continually work to improve within that structure, especially when you are integrating new players. You cannot set the team up as he did on Saturday and if he doesn't learn very fast he won't be in a job. And by the way these are not ramlings there fact. And senior people at Derby were asking 'what the hell was he doing'.
Goldenboy1960 wrote:the only reason we got thrashed at Derby is because we lost Taylor, when Dickinson was announced in his place I can't believe it took you as long as 25 seconds to realise what was going to happen, as for your other ramblings I can't recall seeing the same after the wins against Palace & Brum!
Oh dear.....
Be carfeful what you have wished for fellas...
1. I believe the fans are voting with their feet and have never seen such low support for an away game that is reasonable to get to at the beginning of September. That back on the worst gates at the beginning of the season for many years at the Vic.
2. I have never seen Watford fans leaving 10 minutes into the 2nd half or shaking their fists at the end of the first half no matter what the score.
3. Nani really pulled one on Zola selling Taylor. The best CH in the Championship and the outstanding performer this season.
4. Nani - I wonder if he is getting some money out of the incoming loan deals?
5. Zola is a tinkerer with the team. From a back 4 to a back 3 and a back 2 all in a week. After 25 seconds I knew we would get a pasting with the way he set up the team. Poor Lloyd didn't know if he should tuck round or run forward. And what was Hogg doing marking the big fella in our 6 yard box?
6. The slick passing is all in our own half and nothing forward. It took 41 minutes for us to get a shot on goal and that was off target.
7. Cassetti the so called International got easily nudged off the ball for the 5th goal.
8. The wall for the direct free kick which I was right in line with left most of the goal wide open.
9. The team was all over the place and it seemed to me the players had no idea and were not organised.
10. Couldn't work out why the players came back for the 2nd half early. After the shambles in the first half he should have used every minute he could to reorganise the team. How can you leave defenders in a 2v2 situation with 2 centre forwards. Suicide
11. I am worried for our club. 45 professionals. Well they will be in different changing rooms at UCL (they all can't get into one dressing room) and I wonder if already there are fractions between the nationalities?
12. The teams you have picked previously in your responses include players you have not yet seen? Dangerous if my intuition about Nani is right.
We are losing the soul of our club, or even it maybe too late, and it has completely gone. Do you think the FA will not plug that loophole for loan signings? Nani and the Pozzos have totally abused it. So then what do we do when we have lost our own jewels?
Oh sorry I'm being negative
As for Zola, I doubt he is an unwealthy man & if he was'nt happy then surely he would just walk away!
And as for your comment on 25 seconds, you don't have a clue. It can take much longer to understand and see how the system has been set up. 25 seconds is VERY VERY quick. Don't be disrespectful to the players when it wasn't their fault. They looked like lost souls and am sure they had no clue what they were doing. Dicko is a good honest lad if not a bit limited we all know that. But he is not and has not played CH. To expect him to play that without full backs is incredible. He gave everything but got caught because he didn't know where to be. lloyd didn't know whether to run out drop in run forward or back. Keep it simple for the level of players we have and get them working as a team. And I will only say the players they have bought in are better than ours when I see it. Abdi and Vydra definately enhance our team but that's why they have been picked for every game. The Championship is tough and lets be realistic here. We won at Palace in the last minute fortuitously. Against Brum they didn't want to know or work hard when we had the ball until near the end. And if they had scored one they would have got another. How many times have we seen that?. The other league games we have been presssed against Ipswich and Derby and we have not got out of our own half. You cannot play in the Championship wiothout a back 4 you will get murdered down the outside of the CH's, you will get absolutely murdered. If Derby hadn't taken there foot of the pedal they would have got 8. It is a must that you are organised at set pieces. Even he admitted that he (Zola) hadn't done enough in that area. I cannot believe that someone of his knowledge can commit such a crime. I hope his ego doesn't take over or we will be in League 1 not the Premiership and from what I have seen they have a huge task on their hands.
Monstermunch17
says...
1:35pm Tue 4 Sep 12
For a fresh perspective, LutonClown et al, listen to what the wider world thinks:
43:30 to 46:00
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/football/blog/
audio/2012/sep/03/fo
otball-weekly-podcas
t-liverpool-arsenal
Hornet Cornet
says...
2:32pm Tue 4 Sep 12
HC
lutondown
says...
3:02pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Excellent! Roll over Kipling!
SA Hornet, your wish is my command. The next instalment of my thrilling poetology is entitled 'We may be Italian, but we ain't got no stallion'.
HC
Bush Hornet
says...
3:09pm Tue 4 Sep 12
SAHornet wrote:I am deeply moved. Don't listen to the critics Cornet. There are no limits to what you can do or where you can go. The world needs your poetry
Hornet Cornet wrote:Fcuk no !
Ode to PozzoVille
They came from the Italian town of Bolognaise,
Where they roamed in fields of gold and grapes,
They one day found Watford,
Which wasn’t near Rome nor Oxford,
They then nuked Luton, did The Italian Krays.
They went into Boots to try an after-shave tester,
Behind the counter they found Iniesta,
‘I want to be a hornet’ he said,
‘I want to fill the Premiership with dread’,
Then off he went to play for the City of Manchester
Anyone for any more?
HC
lutondown
says...
3:22pm Tue 4 Sep 12
So no thanks Monster face, I'll draw my own conclusions and not one from the commie left
Link below...
http://inbedwithmara
dona.com/journal/201
2/9/3/that-watford-a
nd-udinese-thing-rea
sons-to-be-cheerful.
html
lutondown
says...
3:48pm Tue 4 Sep 12
A Hillcroft Esq wrote:Lol, couldn't be further from the truth!
lutondown wrote:That's odd - with your trendy lefty views on Deeney's rehabilitation I had you down as a certain Guardian reading, sandal wearing, yoghurt knitter
Interesting read, much more balanced than posted in that red rag called the Guardian
So no thanks Monster face, I'll draw my own conclusions and not one from the commie left
Link below...
http://inbedwithmara
dona.com/journal/201
2/9/3/that-watford-a
nd-udinese-thing-rea
sons-to-be-cheerful.
html
And as for Deeney, I mainly object to the self satisfied comments of the usually liberal campaigning to crucify Deeney while we're likely to have campaigned to keep Al Bangura in the country because he played for us.
It may be argued Bangura never kicked anyones head in, but I would argue that his 'asylum' status was spurious to say the least.
Anyway I think Deeney has been done to death Alex.
I'm off to meditate ( yes I did say meditate!! Not self fiddle!)
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
says...
4:19pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Bush Hornet wrote:Bard ? Yes very very bard !!
Hornet Cornet wrote:It is a work of great beauty. Thank you Hornet Cornet Laureate Bard
SAHornet wrote:I am working on my new masterpiece It is an epic...
lutondown wrote:NO, NO, NO, NO, NO !
Hornet Cornet wrote:Mad! Lol
There was a young chap called Zola,
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
cornet, you make me laugh buddy!
Come on post more cornetisms
lutondown
says...
4:36pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:Oh Mickey
Bush Hornet wrote:Bard ? Yes very very bard !!
Hornet Cornet wrote:It is a work of great beauty. Thank you Hornet Cornet Laureate Bard
SAHornet wrote:I am working on my new masterpiece It is an epic...
lutondown wrote:NO, NO, NO, NO, NO !
Hornet Cornet wrote:Mad! Lol
There was a young chap called Zola,
Who was Italian and never wore a bowler,
He came up against little Cloughy,
Who proved he was a bigger toughie,
And then he brought back Al Bangora.
The Pozzo’s arrived one day,
Extoling the virtues of attacking play,
The Watford players forgot,
How to shoot from near the spot,
And then Zola’s hair did turn grey.
I thank you
HC
cornet, you make me laugh buddy!
Come on post more cornetisms
Let the Cornetto dream!
I think it's a subtle mixture of Yeates Lear and Pam Ayres!
Ooh arr
londomollari
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6:30pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Retlas
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6:42pm Tue 4 Sep 12
SAHornet wrote:Had a season ticket from '62-87'
My main worry at the moment is not Zola, Nani or Duxbury for they can be replaced by The Pozzo's if they see fit. No, my main concern right now is the apathy shown by so many Watford fans in simply not showing up to home games. I am hoping that it is, as previously said, just a combination of August holidays/bank holidays.Olympics etc etc but if we don't start seeing 13,000 - 15,000 in the ground pretty soon, our owners might start to wonder what it is they have invested in.
Swindon - L***n in the snow - abandoned. Good times.
Basset arrived. Ruination!!
So I'm no longer a regular by any means.
But if I could walk up and get a ticket, great, but not possible!
Thats why attendences are down. Just make it easier to access the ground.
lutondown
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6:44pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Retlas wrote:On that I agree, it's crazy that the casual supporter is not targeted.
SAHornet wrote:Had a season ticket from '62-87'
My main worry at the moment is not Zola, Nani or Duxbury for they can be replaced by The Pozzo's if they see fit. No, my main concern right now is the apathy shown by so many Watford fans in simply not showing up to home games. I am hoping that it is, as previously said, just a combination of August holidays/bank holidays.Olympics etc etc but if we don't start seeing 13,000 - 15,000 in the ground pretty soon, our owners might start to wonder what it is they have invested in.
Swindon - L***n in the snow - abandoned. Good times.
Basset arrived. Ruination!!
So I'm no longer a regular by any means.
But if I could walk up and get a ticket, great, but not possible!
Thats why attendences are down. Just make it easier to access the ground.
Hopefully this will soon be realised
D.unstable
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8:08pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Travelling Hornet
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8:15pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Oh dear.....
Be carfeful what you have wished for fellas...
1. I believe the fans are voting with their feet and have never seen such low support for an away game that is reasonable to get to at the beginning of September. That back on the worst gates at the beginning of the season for many years at the Vic.
2. I have never seen Watford fans leaving 10 minutes into the 2nd half or shaking their fists at the end of the first half no matter what the score.
3. Nani really pulled one on Zola selling Taylor. The best CH in the Championship and the outstanding performer this season.
4. Nani - I wonder if he is getting some money out of the incoming loan deals?
5. Zola is a tinkerer with the team. From a back 4 to a back 3 and a back 2 all in a week. After 25 seconds I knew we would get a pasting with the way he set up the team. Poor Lloyd didn't know if he should tuck round or run forward. And what was Hogg doing marking the big fella in our 6 yard box?
6. The slick passing is all in our own half and nothing forward. It took 41 minutes for us to get a shot on goal and that was off target.
7. Cassetti the so called International got easily nudged off the ball for the 5th goal.
8. The wall for the direct free kick which I was right in line with left most of the goal wide open.
9. The team was all over the place and it seemed to me the players had no idea and were not organised.
10. Couldn't work out why the players came back for the 2nd half early. After the shambles in the first half he should have used every minute he could to reorganise the team. How can you leave defenders in a 2v2 situation with 2 centre forwards. Suicide
11. I am worried for our club. 45 professionals. Well they will be in different changing rooms at UCL (they all can't get into one dressing room) and I wonder if already there are fractions between the nationalities?
12. The teams you have picked previously in your responses include players you have not yet seen? Dangerous if my intuition about Nani is right.
We are losing the soul of our club, or even it maybe too late, and it has completely gone. Do you think the FA will not plug that loophole for loan signings? Nani and the Pozzos have totally abused it. So then what do we do when we have lost our own jewels?
Oh sorry I'm being negative
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Kingswoodhornet
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9:05pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Retlas wrote:Surely it's in the clubs interest where it's possible to have a system where a season ticket holder can bring along a non regular who can pay at the gate. The ticket number would be linked to the season ticket holder so that would stop a QPR scenario happening again. The more times the holder uses this system then the club would then offer more incentives via the st holder to the prospective regular. We all know there's plenty of space at the Vic these days so there must be enough room where they can have a sit anywhere policy for the st and soon to be long suffering fan!
SAHornet wrote:Had a season ticket from '62-87'
My main worry at the moment is not Zola, Nani or Duxbury for they can be replaced by The Pozzo's if they see fit. No, my main concern right now is the apathy shown by so many Watford fans in simply not showing up to home games. I am hoping that it is, as previously said, just a combination of August holidays/bank holidays.Olympics etc etc but if we don't start seeing 13,000 - 15,000 in the ground pretty soon, our owners might start to wonder what it is they have invested in.
Swindon - L***n in the snow - abandoned. Good times.
Basset arrived. Ruination!!
So I'm no longer a regular by any means.
But if I could walk up and get a ticket, great, but not possible!
Thats why attendences are down. Just make it easier to access the ground.
Just a thought!
COYH.........
P.S I BELIEVE.
Hornet Cornet
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9:21pm Tue 4 Sep 12
lutondown
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9:26pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:It doth and you'll doeth
The world needs my poetry. The world shall have my poetry.
Fine wordsman thou art
Hornet Cornet
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10:50pm Tue 4 Sep 12
londomollari
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12:21am Wed 5 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Oh, God, no, please. I'd rather have my tonsils removed with Typhoid Mary's pruning shears.
The world needs my poetry. The world shall have my poetry.
W. Longfellow
Hornet Cornet
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3:13pm Wed 5 Sep 12
He is Italian but not a stallion,
Then one day he went,
And signed Darren Bent,
And Cadbury gave him a chocolate medallion.
Lloyd Doyley Lloyd Doyley,
He hasn’t got a dog,
Lloyd Doyley, Lloyd Doyley,
He hasn’t got a frog.
It’s full of sugary goodness,
Good enough to eat,
A finger of fudge is just enough,
To give your budgie a treat.
lutondown
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3:17pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Cornetto, dear friend, please come to the forum with your odes
Zola was the captain of a galleon,
He is Italian but not a stallion,
Then one day he went,
And signed Darren Bent,
And Cadbury gave him a chocolate medallion.
Lloyd Doyley Lloyd Doyley,
He hasn’t got a dog,
Lloyd Doyley, Lloyd Doyley,
He hasn’t got a frog.
It’s full of sugary goodness,
Good enough to eat,
A finger of fudge is just enough,
To give your budgie a treat.
Can one be on Chris the Vic please! Such good rhyming potential there.
Im deeply touched by such works of art, and if I can find some LSD I'm sure the words will become clear!
Bush Hornet
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5:07pm Wed 5 Sep 12
I can't wait.
@ChrisBottom16
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8:28pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Agree!
lutondown lutondown, for he is a supporter of the goldenorbs. lutondown president
lutondown
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8:33pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Bush Hornet wrote:I'm bringing a cadburys flake to crown the Cornet King poet laureate with!
Surely the forum is a perfect occasion for a public reading of selected works of Cornet. Yes, the usually quiet fans will be raucously ecstatic. Others will simply shake their heads in disbelief and mutter things like "not since John Barnes made his debut have I witnessed such genius at Vicarage Rd...that Cornet...he's profoundly mind-blowing." others will break out in chants of: Bring on the Cornet. It'll be an unforgettable occasion.
I can't wait.
Edward Lear himself would be nonplussed at work that surpasses even the jabberwocky ( hold up perhaps Lear was writing about Bas there?)
King Cornet the hornet with a flake please. ( he's definetly flakey)
francowatford
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9:56pm Wed 5 Sep 12
He was unlucky but nice,
20 mill was pumped and Shaun was dumped and now all the fans have the hump.
I thank u
lutondown
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10:27pm Wed 5 Sep 12
francowatford wrote:Boo hiss, pretender
There was a boss called dyche,
He was unlucky but nice,
20 mill was pumped and Shaun was dumped and now all the fans have the hump.
I thank u
Bring back Cornet
No need for dychisms
Hornet Cornet
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11:43am Thu 6 Sep 12
My forthcoming poetic masterpiece is called 'I have a Scooter with a satnav but it just don't work in Watford'
Bush Hornet
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12:48pm Thu 6 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:Ha ha Bas the Jabberwocky. I never grasped that poem but it makes sense now
Bush Hornet wrote:I'm bringing a cadburys flake to crown the Cornet King poet laureate with!
Surely the forum is a perfect occasion for a public reading of selected works of Cornet. Yes, the usually quiet fans will be raucously ecstatic. Others will simply shake their heads in disbelief and mutter things like "not since John Barnes made his debut have I witnessed such genius at Vicarage Rd...that Cornet...he's profoundly mind-blowing." others will break out in chants of: Bring on the Cornet. It'll be an unforgettable occasion.
I can't wait.
Edward Lear himself would be nonplussed at work that surpasses even the jabberwocky ( hold up perhaps Lear was writing about Bas there?)
King Cornet the hornet with a flake please. ( he's definetly flakey)
Bush Hornet
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12:50pm Thu 6 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:I think you've been too dismissive of Franco's offering. He captures the mood of the forum quite well. I would suggest to franco, though, that 'lumped' neatly sums up some of last years football and rhymes with dumped and pumped and hump
francowatford wrote:Boo hiss, pretender
There was a boss called dyche,
He was unlucky but nice,
20 mill was pumped and Shaun was dumped and now all the fans have the hump.
I thank u
Bring back Cornet
No need for dychisms
Bush Hornet
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1:00pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Cornet I think your ability to make tender and poignant verse from such trials is your great strength. And let's face it, we've all been there with the scooter and the satnav that doesn't work in Watford. I think that's why the takeover took so long. The Pozzos were all going round Watford for days, lost on their Vespas
I am back. A fine effort FrancoWatford. I applaud you.
My forthcoming poetic masterpiece is called 'I have a Scooter with a satnav but it just don't work in Watford'
francowatford
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1:13pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Luton (wash my mouth out with bleach)
You are correct that my masterful lyrics sum up the mood in this room.
Once we are on a winning streak,
the keyboard and the geak,
will type and peak like a yellow streak.
Hornet Cornet
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1:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12
I like it.
The Scooter Poem is nearly ready...
lutondown
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1:26pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:The anticipation is like my 18 hour girdle.... F'ing killing me!
ahhh streak, geek and streak again. A controversial but fine mixture of literary ingenuity.
I like it.
The Scooter Poem is nearly ready...
Only the oldies will know wtf I'm on about there!
Hornet Cornet
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2:04pm Thu 6 Sep 12
I drove it to Garston whilst reading La Gazetta,
It’s used by The Pozzo’s is my VW Jetta,
My name is Gianfranco, I’ve got a Red Setter.
I tried to get of Deeney, I don’t want to harm him,
I then drove to Carpender’s, oh no said my Garmin,
I got stuck in Bushey on my bright blue Scooter,
Next to me was Gonzo, the muppet with the hooter.
I like my chocolate, it’s full of cocoa,
Zola’s so small he wears a babygrow,
My factory has a coreolis & it measures the flow,
In Dubai it might never snow.
Yours poetically
HC
lutondown
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2:23pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Hornet Cornet wrote:Utterly brilliant, I'm overcome with confusion. I wish I was bright enough to decipher your coded brilliant.
I bought it from Croxley, my lovely Lambretta,
I drove it to Garston whilst reading La Gazetta,
It’s used by The Pozzo’s is my VW Jetta,
My name is Gianfranco, I’ve got a Red Setter.
I tried to get of Deeney, I don’t want to harm him,
I then drove to Carpender’s, oh no said my Garmin,
I got stuck in Bushey on my bright blue Scooter,
Next to me was Gonzo, the muppet with the hooter.
I like my chocolate, it’s full of cocoa,
Zola’s so small he wears a babygrow,
My factory has a coreolis & it measures the flow,
In Dubai it might never snow.
Yours poetically
HC
Benjtamin? Roll over for Cornet. A true 99 resplendent with choc flake.
I wish you had noted the baby grow was Armarni. Somehow it's important to me.
Chris the Vic
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2:37pm Thu 6 Sep 12
lutondown
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2:41pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Chris the Vic wrote:Chris what part of clause in Taylor's contract do you not understand? He was allowed to leave as was his wish because he was offered a better and longer contract. this is not Nani pulling the rug, this is someone exercising his contractual rights,
Sorry Ross an obvious mistake on my part. Nani does say good morning to Zola. I was just puzzled as to why Zola had Taylor pencilled in to lead the team out and then he was sold seemingly leaving Zola with a problem.
Let's stop demonising some and canonising others, neither party are guilty of anything and like most players the shirt and badge is a loan.
Bush Hornet
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2:56pm Thu 6 Sep 12
lutondown wrote:I agree with LD. Taylor wanted to go. End of.
Chris the Vic wrote:Chris what part of clause in Taylor's contract do you not understand? He was allowed to leave as was his wish because he was offered a better and longer contract. this is not Nani pulling the rug, this is someone exercising his contractual rights,
Sorry Ross an obvious mistake on my part. Nani does say good morning to Zola. I was just puzzled as to why Zola had Taylor pencilled in to lead the team out and then he was sold seemingly leaving Zola with a problem.
Let's stop demonising some and canonising others, neither party are guilty of anything and like most players the shirt and badge is a loan.
Now on to important matters. The Cornet's new poem has brightened my otherwise weary day. Read it out loud to Mrs. It's not until you hear it and vocalise it that you truly appreciate how remarkable it is. In this sense it reminds me of Larkin
Hornet Cornet
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3:09pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Anyone else fancy poemising the discussion?It is most enightening.
Bush Hornet
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3:45pm Thu 6 Sep 12
francowatford
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10:32pm Fri 7 Sep 12
all i found was a rambling Cornet,
His dog was not on a lead but i think he should be, lyrics are not what they used to be.
The Harlequin was shut but the Cornet was open, sometimes I wish he'll take a plan to Copen.
lutondown
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10:52pm Fri 7 Sep 12
That once ruled Spain
Francowatford is a right royal pain
His rants are short
But never sweet
And he seems to appear when
We wallow in defeat
He try's to emulate cornets great verse
But if possible its far far worse
So dear Franco you've tried your best
But please please please, give it a rest
francowatford
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4:08pm Sat 8 Sep 12
ONE TEAM ONE DREAM, LETS ALL HIGH 5 TO THE NEW WATFORD REVOLUTION!!!
lutondown
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4:51pm Sat 8 Sep 12
francowatford wrote:On that we agree buddy!
I've now retired, I only done IT for the laugh to see how many people I can wide up. You've BEEN trolled in a nice jokey way. YOOOOUUUUUUUORNS!!!!
ONE TEAM ONE DREAM, LETS ALL HIGH 5 TO THE NEW WATFORD REVOLUTION!!!
I hate these international breaks, defo club before country for me
The Rover says...
6:53pm Sat 1 Sep 12