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'We should have spanked them'

Aidy Boothroyd locked his players in the dressing room for almost an hour after seeing his side crash to an eighth home defeat.

The manager eventually emerged to offer an explanation behind a third defeat in four home matches, a result that leaves Watford's hopes of a play-off place in the balance.

"No disrespect to Scunthorpe but we should be absolutely spanking them, and we haven't," he added. "Teams like that should be despatched and we should be beating them comfortably. It's down to fear.

"You get yourselves in a position where you can fight or run and we ran. We ran away from it. The only good thing is we have a chance to get better. We have a choice now. We can be despondent or we show what we are made of."

The manager, under mounting criticism, will also need to show his qualities to rouse his seemingly demoralised squad for the final game of the season at Blackpool.

"It's ok me saying I accept responsibility but I don't go out on the pitch," he said. "But I am the leader of the club and people will look to me."

To rate the performances of the players against Scunthorpe, click here

6:27pm Saturday 26th April 2008

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Posted by: andy, st. albans on 6:48pm Sat 26 Apr 08
He might not go out on the pitch, but he is responsible for the way the team play and who plays. SORT IT OUT NOW!
Posted by: Vicar Rage on 6:58pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Should have done this.

Got enough ability to do that.

The goals will come.

We will turn it round.

You insult the fans with the inept performance Boothroyd, then insult us again with the utter crap you come out with afterwards.

If missing out on promotion means an end to this disgusting mix of neanderthal football, vomit-inducing spin and total lack of reality, then so be it.
Posted by: AD, Bucks on 7:07pm Sat 26 Apr 08
I tell you what disgusts me. You. This team s clearly needs support and at the most crucial time of the season, they're being left high and dry.

Frankly if people can't accept losing runs then they shouldn't support any team.
Posted by: Winston, watford on 7:07pm Sat 26 Apr 08
I would have the squad in on Sunday for extra training and every day upto the Blakpool trip - what is clar AB needs to hange tactics a the stike force has NO confidence - look at their strenghs and play to them not to a system the does not producfe results.

When I say squad I would include reseves acadamy and office and backroom staff to show the support of the club and be involved.
Posted by: Darren, Canada on 7:08pm Sat 26 Apr 08
I think that was our last home game of the season. It might have been a good idea to have a team talk after the game but from what everyone is saying, for what ever reason, WFC have totally lost the plot, certainly on the pitch and quite possibly off it as well. I really think that with all this talk of takeovers etc it really would be in the clubs interests to not make the playoffs, if we do there will be a tendancy to paper over the cracks and the thought that maybe it isn't that bad after all. One win in thirteen is clearly relegation form, what I cannot understand is just where and when did it all go so wrong? A few weeks ago the team put in an excellent effort with ten men against Stoke (this is after the King sale etc) and everyone was talking about the great club spirit. Something must have happened and something significant. I still love this club as all fans do, but this is becoming so awful, no tactics, no plans and obviously no goals. The pressure is on and it seems to me that no-one can handle it.
Posted by: SF49ers, Brocken Arrow on 7:33pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Aidy, he is not playing. I cannot understand how any player can go out and give so many inept performances when they have the chance of (for some) their only year in the Top Division! Run away from it? How much do these people get paid, to "run away from it"?
The amazing thing is that after such a pisspoor run we can STILL go up. At least the last game is away from home where the fans give them 100% for 90 minutes. Lets hope the players reciprocate.
Come On You 'Orns
Posted by: kingmarlon, wigan on 7:44pm Sat 26 Apr 08
AD, Its w.... like you that will help take this club down, wake up you idiot its not they odd game we are loosing its every week, the style of football is a disgrace and this man is to powerfull for our club, he is accountable to knowone so the message to you happy clappers is wake up!!
Posted by: Billie, Kings Langley on 7:58pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Agree with you kingmarlon. AB has said he has autonomy, GS has not discussed takeovers with Ashcroft, and doesn't speak to the Russo's. So this clown of a manager, presumably with few or no shares, is left to do what he choses, reporting to Ashton, also presumably with few or no shares, who reports to GS who is not discussing the future of the club with the two biggest shareholders. Stranger than fiction.
What a state to be in!
Posted by: hornetchris61, garston on 8:10pm Sat 26 Apr 08
"we should be spanking teams like these". Why?, were playing as bad if not worse than many teams in and around the drop zone. What makes a team deserve to go up, or reach the play offs?.. what about a team whose manager has the back bone to try and play passing entertaining football that both the players and fans enjoy. Whatever happens over the next weeks, this season, has been hard to watch. what with Watford and England I'm falling out of love with football.
Posted by: rosh99, hereford on 8:22pm Sat 26 Apr 08
AB is full of the proverbial. What utter utter ninsense this pathetic excuse of a man is. So what if he 'took the time to spend 15 minutes talking to a grop of fans after the game'. I really don't give a flying **** if he spends 15 hours talking to fans. The team are crap, they are playing crap, the backroom staff are crap, the boad are crap, and the 'manager' is utterly utterly inept.

AB says if he thought the players weren't behind him, he be out of the club. He's got 20,000 fans not behind him and he still won't bugger off - what does that say what he thinks about us?
Posted by: chris, hemel on 8:30pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Look at history.

2005. Lost 5-0 to Fulham, and then 3-0 to Man U reserves in the cup. Outcome - total capitulation for the rest of the season as the team knew they were not good enough to be promoted.

Fast forward to 2007/8. Nov 07 - WBA 3-0, totally and utterly out played. Outcome - One of the worst slumps we can remember 8 points clear to total fiasco.

Lets all face the fact that the team know they are not good enough and all the blusterings from Hoofy is just falling on deaf ears. This team ain't good enough...full stop.

If there aren't big changes next season we'll be swapping places with Scunthorpe, Div 1 bound.

Aidy, after next week, stand up to all the supporters and admit your failings that this team are not good enough. The even bigger question is, are you good enough? On the evidence we've all seen this season the answer is clearly....NO.
Posted by: hornetchris61, garston on 8:40pm Sat 26 Apr 08
If aidy go's, and to be honest, im still split over what hes done for us over the 1st two seasons and the drose weve had to put up with this season, then who do we want to take over. let me throw MARTIN ALLEN' name in the hat.
Posted by: Hector, In the House on 8:50pm Sat 26 Apr 08
This team could not spank a £10 whore.

One improvement over last week…..at least AB did not spend all match making pointless notes, he was actually watching the crap this week. Never know he might eventually work out what is going wrong

AB is brave man however. I saw fans in the rookery fighting over the performance. There is no way I would have the face to come on to the pitch are the final whistle & try to engage the crowd. With the S?*t the team is turning out I would have been down the tunnel 5 minutes before full time.

The only things Aidy will come back from Blackpool with is a stick of rock.
Posted by: JohnBoy, Watford on 8:59pm Sat 26 Apr 08
how ungracious is boothroyd in defeat? why should we be spanking teams like scunthorpe? they played some honest football we didn't. they made a lot of chances before they scored we didn't. boothroyd should be ashamed with some of the statements he makes.

why should a team that was once walking away with this division now show no appetite? there is something rotten at the core of our club that needs removing. did marlon see what was coming or maybe he caused some unrest? the body language of the players was awful today half of them look depressed and the other half unfit. boothroyd you have let us get into this position now it is up to you to get us out of it.
Posted by: pete, Guildford on 9:01pm Sat 26 Apr 08
John Sheridan - but the way we are playing John Smith's - top bombing.
Posted by: mark, dunstable on 9:07pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Henderson has my full sympathy today. As he has done in the last few months, he won nearly all the balls lumped to him, but as priskin couldnt be bothered to be anywhere near him, we lost the ball after the flick/lay off.
Really peeved with the boy, but also with boothroyd for picking him. We dont play to his strengths, so why have him on the pitch?
Ainsworth did ok when he came on, why not push Tommy up with Henderson and have Ainsworth right mid, or swop with MacAnuff? Tommy reads the game well and has the speed and desire to get in behind where the flick will go. I think the last goal we scored in open play was Tommy sprinting on to a through ball, putting it between the keepers legs.
It cant get any worse can it?
Also, JJ is looking really really tired and out of his depth, for the last few weeks especially. What about Williamson, or how about Rinaldi - i remember he could actually pass a ball.
This is the first game i havnt been able to clap at the end. I cant boo, its just not me, but that was just watching lots of demorilised scared players, leading to a terrible 3/4 of a game. We started ok, crowd were in good spirits, but just no idea what to do with the ball.
Mixture of emotions really, i think some fans expectations are too high, but most have been falsely raised by boothroyd himself in the 1st half of the season, why cant he just keep his mouth quiet a bit?
Posted by: Tiny Tim, Watford on 9:19pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Wake up mark. Henderson is an absolute JOKE. He was nowhere near any of our crosses and everything he got to went nowhere near our other players. He is one of the main reasons we are in this slump. Three goals in about 25 games! Total sh¡t
Posted by: Ian, Surrey on 9:38pm Sat 26 Apr 08
AD wrote:
I tell you what disgusts me. You. This team s clearly needs support and at the most crucial time of the season, they're being left high and dry.

Frankly if people can't accept losing runs then they shouldn't support any team.
Well said AD. There is someone on this site with a brain after all.

Are the rest of you looking forward to punching anyone who actually supports their team at the next home game? Thought so...
Posted by: Ramage, Watford on 9:49pm Sat 26 Apr 08
hornetchris61 wrote:
If aidy go's, and to be honest, im still split over what hes done for us over the 1st two seasons and the drose weve had to put up with this season, then who do we want to take over. let me throw MARTIN ALLEN' name in the hat.
...let me throw it back out again.

We should probably continue with Aidy and see if he can improve - we were nothing before he came and maybe he'll learn from this season + don't forget we've still done better than the other 2 relegated clubs (if Boothroyd has fallen from grace then Pardew's reputation must be in absolute tatters).

Only Birmingham in the last few seasons have gone straight back up - as would we if we had Muamba, Bendtner and Larsson given to us for the season.

If we were to get rid:

John Sheridan, Glen Hoddle, Jean Tigana would be good.
Posted by: rosh99, hereford on 10:06pm Sat 26 Apr 08
How about Paul Ince or even bring back GT?
Posted by: Ramage, Watford on 10:10pm Sat 26 Apr 08
rosh99 wrote:
How about Paul Ince or even bring back GT?
Can't believe I forgot Paul Ince !!!

Great shout - he would be the ideal replacement.
Posted by: Roger, St Albans on 10:11pm Sat 26 Apr 08
There was a lack of energy and purpose about the team today, which is amazing considering the importance of the match. Only Tommy Smith looked like he was playing to win. Against a half -decent team we would have been put to the sword. Where do we go from here? Very disappointing, not least because so unwatford-like.
Posted by: andywatford, watford on 10:46pm Sat 26 Apr 08
why not go for dave bassett ? thats who the genius boothroyd turns to for advise and we wonder why we're so **** ! lets keep him eh clappers and look forward to a relegation next season !!!
Posted by: mohican, sutton on 11:12pm Sat 26 Apr 08
A B you have lost your vocation, on his record since WBA defeat, may i suggest either MP or Barrister, as they never come up with the goods.
His pig headedness is beyond belief, i hate to think how gutted the board must be feeling now.
Just go and maybe he will learn to take advise from his peers in his future job.
I believe he his a good man, but being stubborn a poor quality, our clubs downfall of automatic promotion this season
Posted by: nickmiddlesex, middlesex on 11:42pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Difficult for AB to know what to do now. Obvious to me that this team is a spent force and needs breaking up. Agree Henderson is poor of late and is living off a lot of goodwill. 3 points needed to cement play offs against Scunthorpe, 2nd bottom and Watford seem to be unable to muster anything like urgency especially in 1st half when you would have expected a high tempo barrage considering what was at stake. Corrosive effect on confidence, sale of any quality we had and morons on here and in the crowd who can't handle disappointment without letting themselves down to blame? Think after failure to be promoted we will clear decks next year with youth and loans given greater emphasis and i don't think that will be a bad thing. I also think thats where AB is a better manager. Not enough experience at the job to deal with higher end transfers and tactical problems which has been exposed. Easy to forget he's still a relative novice.
Posted by: Peter Phillips, Loudwater on 11:45pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Boothroyd chooses the team. He gets it wrong week after week. Boothroyd chooses the tactics. He gets those wrong week after week. Boothroyd bought most of these inept players. He got those decisions wrong too. Please someone, anyone, tell me why he shouldn't be fired - even before the Blackpool match?
Posted by: Upper-Rous, Watford on 11:49pm Sat 26 Apr 08
I don’t know why anyone bothers carrying Boothroyd’s quotes any more – he has about as much grip on reality as Robert Mugabe. Only there's more chance of Mugabe standing down than there is of this self-delusional maniac acknowledging his one-dimensional limitations and falling on his own sword.

Let’s face it, the home fans have had enough – 11 home wins in two seasons, in 42 attempts, with the last decent home performance a year ago against Pompey in the Premier League. Look at League One and League Two – 69 points would get you 7th/8th place at best. Just a strange quirk of mathematical fate has meant this mediocre bunch of numpties are sitting in 5th place. We must be the most out-of-from team EVER to potentially enter the play-offs (and don’t forget, we could still mess it up next week at Blackpool).

Since the end of November, it’s been like a slow-motion car crash. No, worse than that. Like watching an elderly relative slip into an irreversible decline. And, although it seems to go against everything a loyal fan would want, maybe it would be kinder to put us out of our misery, and let us slip out of the play-off spots next week. A sort of footballing euthanasia for this aesthetically bankrupt team.
Posted by: Peter Phillips, Loudwater on 11:57pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Sack Boothroyd and make Sam Allardyce manager before the Blackpool match. Pay Allardyce anything that is reasonable. Look what he did at Bolton and, let's face it, he wasn't that bad at Newcastle. Just let's rid ourselves of Boothroyd NOW. And I speak as a former Vice-President.
Posted by: HiHo SilverLining, Norfolk on 12:25am Sun 27 Apr 08
rosh99 wrote:
How about Paul Ince or even bring back GT?
Now you're talking....everyone likes a good trilogy...GT (part 3)

One Graham Taylor,theres only one Graham Taylor!!
Posted by: andy, st. albans on 12:43am Sun 27 Apr 08
Play the reserves and let these over paid, overated and demoralised players sit and watch. Only three or four of first team would keep places. What has happened since Stoke game? I do not like being negative - first time all season, but enough is enough! If I performed like these guys at my work place I would be out of a job.
Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 1:16am Sun 27 Apr 08
whi dont all yu prats realise that we got a good manager stop listen to colni and we in playoff for premeirship.
Posted by: The enlightened one, Garston on 1:32am Sun 27 Apr 08
A good manager? You clappers live in some strange parallel universe probably the same one inhabited by boofers the only thing that needs spanking is boofers preferably with an iron bar round the head.Totally awful you know your in trouble when not one of the players look like they give a toss,win the playoffs ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Posted by: Hapless Horn on 9:52am Sun 27 Apr 08
Well,I must say chaps that is all most unsatisfactory indeed!

whilst some of you,like poor old Jb blame"something rotten at the club",etc,the fact is that the manager has bollxed it up!

there i have said it,I mean it,and I feel a whole lot better for it!

The players (cannot call them a team,more like a bunch of strangers)have no confidence in themselves or poor old Adrian.

Our Goalminder was ok,and the chaps in defence were not bad at all,except for the lumbering,blundering Shittu chappy. Is he really a football player?

I think that young Irish fellow tried hard but got nowhere but the old slow one,eustace is it?,was totally outplayed and why he gave the ball to the other teams chap for the goal,I really do not know.

Young Smith tried very hard and so did the big chap,Henderson?

But the other pair Priskin and Mac someone were frightful!


How the dunces amongst you can blame the Directors is a bit beyond me but then mad conspiracy theories were never my strength!
Posted by: dal8oy, Beds on 10:23am Sun 27 Apr 08
AB has lost his mentor in Burkinshaw, that is a big factor i think. Basically it all went wrong when Adam Johnson left after his loan. Then we had someone who could deliver a ball. Now we play balls over the top to Ellington, Priskin who arent that type of player.
We are in deep trouble, of that there is no doubt, but weve been here before and came through it a better team. Hey at least we are not in Div2 like that lot up the M1. Even their sponsors have pulled the plug!
Posted by: rosh99, hereford on 11:36am Sun 27 Apr 08
WILL SOMEONE GET RID OF HOOFERS and bring Paul Ince or Billy Davies in please. AB won't be reading this as he's probably sipping a g&t or something but, if you are reading this, BUGGER OFF!
Posted by: Billie, Kings Langley on 12:00pm Sun 27 Apr 08
The booing negativity is down to the hoofing tactics. Ray Lew got sacked...but remember the home games that led to the semi finals. Portsmouth and Southampton were fabulous nights. It is the zero prospect of ever seeing games like that because of ABs tactics that is truly depressing. AB claims to have saved us from relegation in his first few games. We will never know if that is true but personally I would prefer to have Ray any day...don't forget he had a fraction of the money AB has had but we still played football.
Posted by: Stan_Smith, herts on 12:21pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I would love boothroyd to turn it round and thats coming from me- one of his biggest critics. i would like to think he still is 'the next big thing' everyone in football was talking about months and months ago.would be a shame to end on such a pi55 poor sour note.
this is undoubtably the toughest period he has had and may possibly have. wait until the end of the season. Hoddle? he can f-ck off. GT part 3? no thanks. Sheridan?!?!?!?!

Posted by: ebhorn, Eastbourne on 1:24pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Ok I've read these borads for a while without comment. I have the "luxury" of not getting to see the team every week so can be quite rational about it all.

The facts are we are in the play offs BUT we have had a shocking last 4-5 months.

On the debate of AB and whether he should stay or go I say STAY but it does depend on what he says and does at the end of the season.

No-one but no-one can argue against his fantastic 1st full season. He has lost his way and is in a massive hole and struggling to get out of it.

We were so successful that 1st season because he built a small but very together squad, it was easy to see the best 11 and in Foster, Young and King we had 3 great players who gave us that edge.

AB has made some mistakes...actually a lot of mistakes. BUT if we give him the support and another season and if he makes the right moves I believe we could still have a real gem in charge of the team.

So what does he need to do? The style of play over the last 4 months had shocked me, it certainly wasn't the way we got promoted 2 years ago (the best football I've seen us play in 10 years!) and it isn't the football we played early season. I could see the idea, the plan, we were transforming into a more fluid side ready for the premiership. It's gone wrong but can be retrieved, if AB admits it and does something about it.

We now have very few players who could even make the bench of even the bottom 3 sides in the prem, so we need a huge clear-out and need to invest in just a few very good players giving us that small but quality team again.

The likes of TP, NE could actually do very well if the style changes, but they are no good to us the way we play at the moment. So it's a bit harsh criticising them as it stands.

I say AB deserves the right to change things around, at least give him until christmas and see which direction he trys to take the team...

And to think we are still only 4 games away from the Prem!!
Posted by: HiHo SilverLining, Norfolk on 1:38pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Billie wrote:
The booing negativity is down to the hoofing tactics. Ray Lew got sacked...but remember the home games that led to the semi finals. Portsmouth and Southampton were fabulous nights. It is the zero prospect of ever seeing games like that because of ABs tactics that is truly depressing. AB claims to have saved us from relegation in his first few games. We will never know if that is true but personally I would prefer to have Ray any day...don't forget he had a fraction of the money AB has had but we still played football.
Totally agree with you Billie, 2 points raised- (1) as a supporter i can cope with defeat,just! but its the way we are playing that i struggle to cope with.After ten minutes of each game it becomes blatantly obvious we are going to be very lucky to score a goal..so basically if the opposing team scores, its game over.
Point 2,If as many people state we are punching above our weight in this league it is all the more important to get your transfer dealings correct- Aidy has had the finances this season to mix it with anyone in this league,but we either are not playing in a style that the players are suited to or we have thrown pot loads of money at players who are keeping the bench warm or that should be keeping the bench warm.Sadly we will never know what previous or future managers could have done with those finances.Yes, if we got promoted it might have just been worth it (the poor displays week in week out)....but a team 5th in the Championship that loses at home to second from bottom and relegated "Scunthorpe" (tell me now we are punching above our weight) Promotion Material????
Financially Aidy will probably stay next season, so optimistically i am hoping for a back to basics ie. playing football.
Finally to all of you supporters that have been following The Hornets to every game,with incredible support i applaud you!!
Posted by: gc on 2:00pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Ramage wrote:
hornetchris61 wrote: If aidy go's, and to be honest, im still split over what hes done for us over the 1st two seasons and the drose weve had to put up with this season, then who do we want to take over. let me throw MARTIN ALLEN' name in the hat.
...let me throw it back out again. We should probably continue with Aidy and see if he can improve - we were nothing before he came and maybe he'll learn from this season + don't forget we've still done better than the other 2 relegated clubs (if Boothroyd has fallen from grace then Pardew's reputation must be in absolute tatters). Only Birmingham in the last few seasons have gone straight back up - as would we if we had Muamba, Bendtner and Larsson given to us for the season. If we were to get rid: John Sheridan, Glen Hoddle, Jean Tigana would be good.
Blah blah copy clappers and Aidy " at least we are better than 2 other relagated sides"
LOOK AT THE LEAGUE TABLE!!!
Next week Sheff Utd can over take us. Fancy eating your words if we did make plays offs and lost to them?
Posted by: Hapless Horn on 2:05pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Spanking eh! that takes me back to the good old school days when JB & colin would spend their evenings in such pursuits much to our horror!
Posted by: Erik, Lincoln on 2:07pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I bet AD is in fact AB!

I'm afraid football is a results lead business and until we can get results the manager's job will look increasingly vulnerable. If the team consistantly fails to perform why do they expect the fans to cheer. It has little to do with the noises the fans make. If AB cannot make the team progress or even halt the downward spiral he should be looking for a new jonb in the summer. It is up to him to prove us wrong. Win the play-offs AB and the doom mongering whingers will shut up. They aren't bad players. I'm sure even Ellington would do well as somewhere like Derby. But if we keep playing like this then we do not deserve to spank anyone.

PS When i read the headline I though AB meant he should have spanked the players. Not an image I wish to dwell on.
Posted by: zip, colins world on 2:07pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Boothroyd was a disaster waiting to happen. Its as simple as that. Now the gamble that was his appointment is starting to back fire badly and the board know it, as do now the majority of fans.

He claims to have saved the team from relegation, however that is open to interpretation.

In his first full season he inherited a team with some very talented youngsters, and got lucky with the signings of King, Henderson, Spring and Foster. However even in that first season the warning sings were there...the first game against Preston, the capitulation to Sheff Utd, the mauling at Burnley etc.

A club like Watford do not recover from the sale of their prized assets. Say what you like, the departure of Bouazza was a massive loss. He had power, pace and end product...but Boofers laughably claimed he was second choice to the pathetically inept MacAnuff.

King was misfiring this season however his loss has clearly made a huge impact on the fortunes of the team.

The players Boothroyd has brought in have been awful...even Eustasce is starting to look poor.

Of course, the managers tactics have clearly alienated him from the players...he has lost the dressing room and that is obvious. And it doesn't help matters that he has surrounded himself with a backroom staff consisting of yes men.

We need to lose next week and drop out of the play offs. It needs to happen for the good of the club; we cant continue in this vein, it could be extremely damaging.

A change at the top must take place for the good of this club. Or else next season will start as this season has finished.
Posted by: gc on 2:18pm Sun 27 Apr 08
ebhorn
look at the league table before you start quoting that we are in play offs= fact.!!!!
Posted by: ebhorn, Eastbourne on 2:35pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I meant we are in the play-offs places at the moment, and have a good chance of being in them after next sunday.

But that wasn'e my main point anyway. AB HAS done a good job for 2 and a half years. We didn't look totally out of place in the Prem and that was with a squad and finances well under equipped for it and totally out of AB's hands.

He has had a bad half a season. He deserves the chance to change it around, and I believe he can do.

It's a sad state of affairs when AB is the longest serving manager in the championship after just 3 seasons. That's because football fans and chairman / directors have become totally unrealistic. There are 23 other teams in our league guys who all want the same things. We have a chance of going up but even if we don't, IF AB changes things straight after the final match of the season then he could still do a great job for us.

It's down to him, but it's down to us and the board to give him that chance.
Posted by: Another G&T, Watford on 2:51pm Sun 27 Apr 08
If all we cared about was getting in the Premiership we would not be so anti-AB - it is the brandof hoofball he gives us that is an insult. He had one good season - last year our expectations were low so he could have got away with anything.
This year even with a superb start that took us 9 points clear he has manged to blow it. Name ONE game this season at Vicarage Road that Watford played well in - even the 3-0 win over Wolves did not feel like a 3-0 win
GT was sacked after half a bad season and he is a WFC God. AB has lost the players and most fans. If you want to conitune watching the rubbish we had this season vote to keep him - it is your choice but I want better quality football even if it takes longer to get results
Posted by: hornetcarp, NORTHAMPTONSHIRE on 3:05pm Sun 27 Apr 08
just watching pompey v blackburn and a couple of times they've mentioned santa cruz cost about £3.3mil and scored 20+ goals.

can't help but think isn't that about the same money as ellington.........
Posted by: hornetcarp, NORTHAMPTONSHIRE on 3:08pm Sun 27 Apr 08
just watching pompey v blackburn and a couple of times they've mentioned santa cruz cost about £3.3mil and scored 20+ goals.

can't help but think isn't that about the same money as ellington.........
Posted by: Hapless Horn on 3:29pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I say colin you arse!

If only you would be fair and balanced then your better points would be accepted,what?

You cannot say that appointing him has backfired,as even on your fingers you can count how many more millions better off we are now,due to his promotion achievement.

even those who make up or misunderstand figures should be able to add transfer NETT income & sky money before deducting increased costs,what?

To say he "got lucky" with initial signings is pure spiteful rubbish as you refuse to allow him to be "unlucky" with the dross he has also signed!

So whilst I hate the rubbish being served up by a manager who seems to have become a martian,I hate your stuff even more.

Ok old fellow? Just thought that it needed saying,what?
Posted by: GaryQE2, London on 3:49pm Sun 27 Apr 08
It should not be surprising that our performance yesterday was tentative. We haven't exactly picked up many points in recet weeks and confidence must be a problem. So would we have stepped up a gear if we had pressed harder, forced an error and taken the lead? Sadly - I don't think so.
With every respect to to AB and Scunthorpe - we are not good enough to 'spank' them as AB suggests. Aidy's comments might have applied back in October but not now.
Was he wrong to hace sadi this? No. He needs to do what he can to lift the team for one final push next week.
I do not accept the arguments that it will be best for watford to miss out on the Play-ffs. Promotion will buttress our finances and give the Manager room to build the squad... and he is the Manager. Unlike the rest of us who all think we can do better.
Posted by: andy, bradford on 4:02pm Sun 27 Apr 08
hi to all you hornet fans can anybody give me any info on scott loach is he coming back to your club or his he staying at city for another year on loan would love to sign him?but no info on our site at the moment thanks...
Posted by: Hapless Horn on 4:45pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Tiny Tim wrote:
Wake up mark. Henderson is an absolute JOKE. He was nowhere near any of our crosses and everything he got to went nowhere near our other players. He is one of the main reasons we are in this slump. Three goals in about 25 games! Total sh¡t
Tiny mind and tiny understanding of the game,old bean!

I do not write about knitting as I know nothing of it. I suggest you treat football the same way my good man.

complete poppycock and balderdash.

a fool?,a knave?

both I believe,be gone sir!
Posted by: Hapless Horn on 4:50pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Peter Phillips wrote:
Sack Boothroyd and make Sam Allardyce manager before the Blackpool match. Pay Allardyce anything that is reasonable. Look what he did at Bolton and, let's face it, he wasn't that bad at Newcastle. Just let's rid ourselves of Boothroyd NOW. And I speak as a former Vice-President.
peter pontificator. vice president/ so what my man? It was just a case of PAYING MORE MONEY,nothing to do with merit so why on earth mention it?

Frankly dan quayle would make more sense and at least he was ELECTED VP!

Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 6:15pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Hapless Horn wrote:
Tiny Tim wrote:
Wake up mark. Henderson is an absolute JOKE. He was nowhere near any of our crosses and everything he got to went nowhere near our other players. He is one of the main reasons we are in this slump. Three goals in about 25 games! Total sh¡t
Tiny mind and tiny understanding of the game,old bean!

I do not write about knitting as I know nothing of it. I suggest you treat football the same way my good man.

complete poppycock and balderdash.

a fool?,a knave?

both I believe,be gone sir!
hey hopeless horn yu go bak to yur nitting yu idoit.
Posted by: Hapless Horn on 6:31pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Oh dear Mr Ozzy!

just as (in my case) quality,intelligence

class,education and
BREEDING will out,
sadly-in your case-
IN-BREEDING WILL OUT!
Posted by: rosh99, hereford on 6:33pm Sun 27 Apr 08
On the subject of knitting, AB would be quite good as he likes to spin a yarn (sorry but i couldn't resist).
Posted by: mellow_yellow, watford on 6:35pm Sun 27 Apr 08
**** management speak. **** on the pitch. **** tactics. **** all chance of getting promotion.

What a load of...
Posted by: mellow_yellow, watford on 6:36pm Sun 27 Apr 08
**** management speak. **** on the pitch. **** tactics. **** all chance of getting promotion.

What a load of...
Posted by: rosh99, hereford on 6:43pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Mellow Yellow, I get the impression you're not too impressed with any aspects of the hornets resplendent season... we've had a great season you know.. - ooops, I went into AB mode there. Sorry.
Posted by: andy, bradford on 6:57pm Sun 27 Apr 08
hi to all you hornet fans can anybody give me any info on scott loach is he coming back to your club or his he staying at city for another year on loan would love to sign him?but no info on our site at the moment thanks...

i guess nobody has any info then?????
Posted by: MOJO, Rookery on 7:06pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I certainly wouldnt say that Boothroyd "got lucky" with his initial signings. I dont recall Martin Devaney, Adam Griffiths, Sietes or Junior making much of an impression.
Posted by: jonty, Watford on 7:07pm Sun 27 Apr 08
andy wrote:
hi to all you hornet fans can anybody give me any info on scott loach is he coming back to your club or his he staying at city for another year on loan would love to sign him?but no info on our site at the moment thanks... i guess nobody has any info then?????
To be honest m8 last thing on our minds at the mo.Mind you,you can have our manager if you want.I think he's from round your way.
Posted by: andy, bradford on 7:24pm Sun 27 Apr 08
jonty wrote:
andy wrote: hi to all you hornet fans can anybody give me any info on scott loach is he coming back to your club or his he staying at city for another year on loan would love to sign him?but no info on our site at the moment thanks... i guess nobody has any info then?????
To be honest m8 last thing on our minds at the mo.Mind you,you can have our manager if you want.I think he's from round your way.
yes he his from round here,think thats why we got loachy in the first place,still no report about scott?
just wondering if you have any news on him.
i sure you will win blackpool and then you will be in the play-offs?good luck nexted week..
Posted by: SF49ers, Broken Arrow on 7:55pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Nice to see an away fan being polite on the board. Also, he is right. We will win at Blackpool. Then its like starting the season again for a couple of games. No matter how you feel, you are all fans so sing your hearts out for the lads and lets see what happens.
Come On You 'Orns
Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 7:57pm Sun 27 Apr 08
hey neil yu fix that brocken arrow yet?
Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 8:00pm Sun 27 Apr 08
hey neil yu fix that brocken arrow yet?
Posted by: ebhorn, Eastbourne on 8:17pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I don't believe we would play the same style of football next season, I'm sure AB realises it has been a bit of a disaster the last 4 months. I'd imagine a change around in staff and players to go along with reverting back to the style that took us to the top earlier this season.

He IS a good manager and will come through. Hope he gets to show it in the Prem rather than the Champ but I'll support him and the team either way at least up until christmas.
Posted by: Paul Adams, Newtown Powys on 8:19pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Could be a lot worse, we could all be Luton supporters.
Posted by: andy, st. albans on 8:42pm Sun 27 Apr 08
My dad went on saturday for second time this season and was dissappointed not only with result and some of the "football" on display, but also that NE was making runs and that TS was not passing to him but hoofing it into middle of the box where everything was going pear shaped. Is the team united or are there factions in the dressing room? Is this why NE is getting criticism? Have the players no confidence in him? Any opinions please.
Posted by: rosh99, hereford on 9:44pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Aaarrrggghhhhhh... someone's gone and said the 'L' word !!!!
Posted by: nugget, east london on 10:06pm Sun 27 Apr 08
on the training ground,can they get mcnuff to run down the touch line,run as far as the bye line and cross the ball. for winger he is the worst crosser ive seen in my life. do it all day long for 5 days (and nothing else) until you h