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Hornets still short of mathematical safety


Watford’s Championship status may be effectively secure, but they are still not mathematically safe after losing 2-0 at relegation-threatened Norwich City this afternoon.

The Canaries, who started the game in the bottom three, admittedly needed the points more, and they took them courtesy of a spectacular own goal from the luckless Danny Rose and a late header from Gary Doherty.

Watford though, could have set up a nervous finale for the home side had they managed to score, but the closest they came was from a first-half Will Hoskins piledriver that crashed against the bar.

In truth, the home side deserved the points on the balance of the chances, with Alan Lee also hitting the woodwork, while Jon Harley did very well to clear a Jason Shackell header off the line.

Brendan Rodgers made three changes following Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Barnsley. Rose was handed his first start, while Harley and Hoskins were promoted from a substitutes’ role. Jack Cork and Aleksandra Cauna dropped to the bench, but Tamas Priskin was sidelined with injury.

In a pressure-cooker atmosphere, the home side nearly got off to a flyer after just 20 seconds when the ball was played to Lee in the inside right channel and he got the better of Jay DeMerit after the Hornets captain slid in, but the Norwich striker’s low centre was well cut out by Scott Loach.

Worse almost followed for the American, when he appeared to intercept a free-kick into his penalty area with his upper arm as he jumped to challenge Doherty, but referee Steve Tanner was unmoved.

Watford were by no means on the back foot in the early stages though, and in the ninth minute Tommy Smith produced a superb 60-yard break down the left where he toyed with, and each time, beat Sammy Clingan three times before producing a fine cross that Hoskins was just beaten too.

Norwich responded with no fewer than five corners in succession, but the visitors stood up well to the threat posed before Loach confidently came off his line to claim the last of those set-pieces.

Watford then had their first corner of the match and Mike Williamson turned Jobi McAnuff’s low set-piece from the right into the six-yard box, but the ball wouldn’t quite fall for Hoskins.

But in the 15th minute Norwich went in front – and it was a freak nightmare for a young Hornets midfielder.

David Carney led a counter-attack down the right and slid a pass inside to Darel Russell on the edge of the area who, as he shaped to shoot, was challenged from behind by Rose, but the full debutant made such a clean contact with the ball he inadvertently curled it over and beyond the stranded and helpless Loach to hand the Canaries a 1-0 lead.

Buoyed by this, the visitors thought they should have had another penalty when DeMerit appeared to tug back David Mooney in the area, and the Norwich striker then came within inches of connecting with a free header following a Clingan free-kick from the left.

It then took a fine stop from Loach to prevent the home side from going two up in the 20th minute – instinctively diving to his left to keep out Russell’s shot from the edge of the box after more good work from Mooney.

But it was then Watford’s turn to attack in what was already a thoroughly absorbing encounter, with Adrian Mariappa laying the ball back to Jenkins, who produced a superb cross from the right that everyone left, except Harley. He gambled at the back post and headed back into the danger zone, but again Hoskins wasn’t quite able to get there.

However, in the 24th minute the former Rotherham United man received the ball 25 yards out and let fly with a right-footed thunderbolt that flew past keeper David Marshall and left the crossbar literally rattling as it thudded back off the face of the woodwork. It was as clean a strike as you will see anywhere and deserved better.

Norwich though, were not far away from doubling their lead in the 31st minute when a low Carney corner from the right caused problems in the Hornets rearguard and Mooney flung himself at the ball, but sent it wide of Loach’s left-hand upright.

The Watford keeper was then left grasping at thin air by an Alan Gow shot that was deflected wide, but then did well to get down to a low left-footed drive from the same player from 20 yards out, as Norwich’s corner count rose to nine.

Shackell picked up the first yellow card of the afternoon two minutes before the interval for illegally cutting short a lively run from Rose, but McAnuff could only send the free-kick from a decent position into the wall.

There was still time in the opening period for Norwich to take their corner-count into double figures, and Loach would have claimed it cleanly had he not been impeded by a team-mate. However, Tanner, who had already made some dubious calls, bizarrely gave the visitors a free-kick.

The last act of an absorbing opening period was an 11th corner for the home side but, again, that came to nothing as Norwich took their 1-0 lead into the break.

It was not a surprise that Rodgers made a change at the interval, with Cork coming on for Rose, who had visibly been struggling after scoring the own goal.

The start of the second period was somewhat less frenetic than the first, but Watford had a good opening in the 48th minute when Jenkins played the ball into Hoskins, whose clever back-heeled lay-off found Smith in space just inside the area, but Watford’s top scorer got under his right-footed attempt and curled it harmlessly over.

Smith then fed McAnuff on the right, who cut inside Jon Otsemobor, but saw his right-footed shot blocked, as the Hornets maintained their positive start to the second half.

Having already been warned by the referee, Lee was booked after 54 minutes for one over-zealous challenge too many, with Adrian Mariappa the victim on this occasion. Soon after though, Gow was played in on the left side of the area, and he fizzed a low drive across the six-yard box and narrowly wide of Loach’s far post.

But another chance came and went Watford’s way in the 64th minute when a Smith corner from the right picked out the unmarked DeMerit, but the skipper sent his free header disappointingly wide of Marshall’s left-hand post.

Norwich responded with a low Clingan shot from 25 yards that wasn’t too far wide, before Bryan Gunn decided to make a change in the 66th minute, with Carney making way for Lee Croft.

However, how the visitors didn’t equalise moments later only Hoskins will know. Smith played a peach of a cross into the near post from the right, but the Hornets striker appeared to be distracted by Doherty going for the ball. But when the Norwich captain failed to make contact, so did Hoskins as the ball bounced beneath in.

It was then the Watford’s goal turn to live a charmed life after 69 minutes when Lee beat Williamson to open up a shooting opportunity which he thumped left-footed against Loach’s near post. Gow’s attempted follow up was blocked, but the ball then broke for Lee again, who fired wide of the other upright.

That trend continued in the 74th minute when, from Norwich’s first corner of the second half, Shackell’s header was going inside Loach’s right-hand post until Harley made a fine goal-saving intervention on the line.

City’s decent spell continued, with Gow seeing a left-footed strike from the edge of the 18-yard box deflected and loop through to Loach, and then Lee did have the ball in the net after a Watford move broke down, but, thankfully for the visitors, the flag was already up for offside.

But the Hornets were not so fortunate with seven minutes remaining. Again Shackell caused the problems, this time meeting a corner from the right with a downward header that bounced up and rebounded off the face of the bar, and Doherty followed up to make it 2-0.

Gunn made a double change before play restarted, with Ryan Bertrand and Gow making way for Adam Drury and Simon Lappin.

Moments later though, a watchful Marshall had to tip over a clever Smith lob from the right side of the area, but, again, the corner came to nothing.

McAnuff was booked in injury-time for a foul on Russell, and then Clingan sent a piledriver narrowly wide of Loach’s right-hand post as Norwich looked to finish the game on a high.

Norwich City: Marshall; Otsemobor, Doherty, Shackell, Bertrand (Drury, 83); Carney (Croft, 66), Russell, Clingan, Gow (Lappin, 83_; Lee, Mooney. Not used: Nelson and McDonald.

Watford: Loach; Mariappa, DeMerit, M Williamson, Doyley; McAnuff, Jenkins, Rose (Cork, 46), Harley; Smith, Hoskins. Not used: Lee, Cauna, Henderson and Stepanov.

Bookings: Shackell for a foul on Rose after 43 mins; Lee for a foul on Mariappa after 54 mins; McAnuff for a foul on Russell after 90 mins.

Attendance: 25,487.

Referee: Steve Tanner.

Comments(36)

hogweed says...
5:22pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Be glad when this season is over. Only 4 away wins the entire season is p**s poor. Should be going to teams like Norwich and winning. Can only see mid table mediocrity next season as we have no money to improve the team.

Hog out

WFC4ever says...
5:24pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Getting a bit worried now because our players seem so lacklustre.

Maybe a result will wake them up and ensure we actually get safe.


HOOF says...
5:27pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Come on cheer up hogweed.We may have been beaten today but we should all still be having a celebratory beer or 2 tonight on behalf of our mates from up the road in Bedfordshire.

Henry VIII says...
5:51pm Mon 13 Apr 09

I hate to say it guys, but I am not resting just yet and i really hope our players are not either. Although it is very unlikely, if we were to lose all of our remaining games, which is quite possible, we could certainly go down. I know that some teams below are playing each other etc but I get the feeling some of our squad are jogging towards the finish line, whereas teams beneath us are fighting for every point. Not many would have thought that Plymouth and Forest would have got points today, but they did. I think that we are in a dodgy position right now, especailly as Brum will come here very fired up on Saturday - another loss on that day and a few other results going against us, and the Coventry and Derby games will have a totally different perspective. I am not trying to create a negative post, it's just the story of the tortoise and the hare has a habit of cropping up each season....and I don't want us to be the hare!

enlightened one says...
5:57pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Utter tosh we are safe as houses.

WFC4ever says...
6:13pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Here is the OG..

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=VfSkJM3vj
9E

There was only one Scully says...
6:48pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Just got back and felt the result was some what fortunate for the canaries. Freak first goal and a lucky rebound for the second. Positives were young Ross and Jobi. JD lacked the pace but for a good display by there keep we could have been at least level. To many on here accentuating the negatives, we are safe as our contemporaries below did not fair much better. It will be a different picture next season with some new players and I'm sure, approach. Keep the faith and bring on the Brummies next week.

Chris the Vic says...
7:12pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Didnt go Sky reckoned it was mainly the Canaries with an odd break from us..Suggestion to Brendan pick Ras if he is fit and then bring in Stepanov for Jay who seems to be reverting to his awful self

enlightened one says...
7:25pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Just heard a scum fan on the radio blubbing like a girl,warmed me to the very bottom of my heart....ah happy days.

VoR says...
7:32pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Was his name Colin?

enlightened one says...
7:41pm Mon 13 Apr 09

He did sound like a complete mong.

suffolkhornet says...
7:42pm Mon 13 Apr 09

jsut back.............fir
st time in years we have lost at Norwich. Apart from Tommy they looked like the game did not matter. Tommy ran and ran others just seem to give up and the ball was not worth chasing, and because of this I have to put up with NORWICH fans in the morning!!

WFC4ever says...
7:46pm Mon 13 Apr 09

VoR wrote:
Was his name Colin?
I am surprised he hasn't rushed on here to "gloat" about our defeat...

enlightened one says...
8:46pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Hopefully we will never hear from the pikey retard ever again.

Hornet Cornet says...
8:47pm Mon 13 Apr 09

I am amazed that some people are already pre-judging next season. Busky's done a fantastic job in nearly keeping us up already. now to look onward and upwards!

WFC4ever says...
10:11pm Mon 13 Apr 09

Anyone think we should go for 2 up front against Birmingham maybe as the midfield seems to be tiring so time to give one of them a rest?

HC - I do agree....who knows which players will go and what Rodgers can do if he his given funds to bring in some more quality players like Cowie (who we seem to be missing)
and Williamson.



VoR says...
10:43pm Mon 13 Apr 09

hogweed wrote:
Be glad when this season is over. Only 4 away wins the entire season is p**s poor. Should be going to teams like Norwich and winning. Can only see mid table mediocrity next season as we have no money to improve the team.

Hog out
It's your fault you numpty....
It was you that wanted us to finish 19th !

derry pigweed says...
11:20pm Mon 13 Apr 09

BYE-BYE luton...!!!!!!!!

Mick Jones says...
7:22am Tue 14 Apr 09

So what happened to 40,000 Luton fans?? 2000 empty seats at the kenilworth road **** hole, thought it was an important game for them...oh I forgot MK Dons were at home...joke club, thick manager, scum for fans and now on their way to Histon and Stevenage and Cambridge..oh how I laughed..

a1derek says...
9:59am Tue 14 Apr 09

Great strike by Danny, how can he possibly finish like that from 18 yards and miss from six inches???

Security word "shot-flow" sort of apt I guess.

getafix says...
10:15am Tue 14 Apr 09

Shame about Luton NOT!! key thing for the Birmingham game will be keeping it tight first half, we need cowie back - without him the m'field is porous to say the least, got to starve Brum of the ball and make it hard for them while looking for set pieces we can exploit

Berks Horn says...
10:44am Tue 14 Apr 09

Said it before this game and I'll say it again. Why did he let Williamson go out on loan. Incredibly he puts Rose in the middle and look what happens. For someone supposedly experienced with spotting youngsters Buck's three "youth" signings so far have been absolute cack. Hoyte and Bridcutt were useless and Rose manages to miss a sitter, do absolutely nothing and score an own goal in three successive games. Send him back!

Rogers has improved things since he arrived and I'm thankful he's at the helm and not Boothroyd, but his signings have been patchy and so have the results - we've got to be beating teams like Southampton and Norwich. I suspect next season will be more of the same rather than a run for promotion. I'm happy to be proved wrong but, for me, he's hardly the second coming.

talk-goal

Chris the Vic says...
11:35am Tue 14 Apr 09

Berks...first off we appear to be almost soft and if Lee wasnt to play on a regular basis not a bad call to let him have more play off experience and regular football.

As for brendan's signings well Cowie has been Ok..Williamson (MIKE) changed our season around and his youth signings also included Jack Cork. As for Rose give him a few more games and next season we might well be glad to have him.

As for next season, it will be tough...our finances say so..However, brendan given our financial constraints has done well and to judge him yet is far too early. Another eighteen months and we will know, at the moment he is as good as we can expect if not a whole lot better. You and I would have settled for todays league position when he started and since he has got most of his decisions right and still disappointed you you demonstrate the perfect qualifications for a chairman of any club but WFC!!

Paradise Watford says...
11:58am Tue 14 Apr 09

Its a shame I think to hear some having a go at BR. Before he arrived we were staring into the abyss but we are now with three games to go looking comfortable for staying up (I agree however that staying up still requires effort from the players over the next three games and not the coasting that apparently took place against Norwich).

Who wouldn't have snapped hands off in November if offered the table position WFC is in now? And all this BR has done under immense pressure, pressure of a new job, first time manager, new surroundings, being lied too about the clubs financial situation (and goodness knows what else), the change of board, loaning out of players left right and centre and a still uncertain financial future.

Personally I think BR has done very well after being well and truly thrown into the deep end and for me this is promising for the future.

So lets be thankfull for his work the past few months, give him and the club the summer to do what they can and need to do, and we'll be able to make a better judgement of him next season.

mellow yellow says...
1:33pm Tue 14 Apr 09

I think what matters most is the quality of REAL signings, not loan players: So far both Cowie (see how much we miss him?!) and Williamson have proved excellent aquisitions, both in terms of ability and value for money. Loan players are a gamble. Coming from a big club does not necessarily mean they are guaranteed to be successes. It's what they are here for. To prove it or otherwise. Perhaps those who jump on the Slating-Danny-Rose bandwagon would like to cast their minds back no so long to a certain Ben Foster. he looked average at best when he first came here, but look how much he brought to the team after his first 10 games or so.

For what it's worth:
Bridcutt - out of his depth.
Hoyte - ok, but nothing special
Cork - excellent start, but now drifting a bit.
Rose - great own goal, a great miss, but too early to call
Cauna - from what I've seen could be worth signing.

As for financial troubles, we know we are stretched... but there are many more clubs in this division who are far worse placed.

I'm pretty positive about next season, but at least one more win before this season ends is important for all of us.

Yellows!

Roger68 says...
2:47pm Tue 14 Apr 09

I think Rogers must have a cunning plan to keep us interested right to the end of the season--after all, who wants to watch a game with nothing at stake? The fact is that if we lose our next two games ( a distinct possibility) while Doncaster, Deby, Blackpool and Plymouth win just one of theirs, they will all go above us. Then, depending on other results we could start the last game of the season in the mix with Norwich, Notts Forest and Barnsley for the last relegation spot. Unlikely I know, but not impossible, and not what one would have predicted 3 games ago. The loss of Cowie, the injuries to Priskin and Rasiak, and relying on such a young mid-field have left us anxious when we should have been safe. It maybe that Forest, Barnsley and Norwich will slip up before May 3rd and let us off the hook, but you have seen all of them play recently- would you bet on it? And if we go into the game against Derby needing a draw, would you bet on that? Derby would have nothing to play for, but they might be anxious to get back at us for conning them out of £1 million for Ellington. And what if Ellington plays......

a1derek says...
2:53pm Tue 14 Apr 09

Agree with Paradise and would also add that BR has really "brought in" to what Watford is all about...family, community etc.

That is to be applauded.

He is really sharp and quick on the uptake. He has learned an awful lot already and I believe he will deliver us a decent season next time around.

hogweed says...
2:57pm Tue 14 Apr 09

VoR Why do you keep posting cos every time you do you behave more like the oaf I always said you were. I NEVER have said that I want us 2 finish 19th so I don't know wht you are on about.

Paradise Watford says...
3:21pm Tue 14 Apr 09

Re the loan signings, lets also not forget as young players they are not the finished article and that the lending clubs are willing to farm them out specifically to get some more experience.

So yes it is a gamble in a way for the club to take them on loan and its important that if we go down this route next year that we get some who don't just have potential but who are also going to add value to the team i.e. not just be the same as someone already in the team.

Ben Foster is a brilliant example of how this can work out to the good and I too think that given a bit more time the other loanees that we have at the moment could be a great asset to the club.

The pitfall of course is that unless that parent club are looking to offload them anyway and we can get them cheap/free they go back at the end of the season and the club has to then find a replacement for the season after. Still, in our current state until the finances are looking very healthy again this may be the best way to go

henry says...
4:22pm Tue 14 Apr 09

We have a decent goals for total this season but the finishing is not as sharp as in the days of Martin Hunter's finishing school earlier this season when the team were obviously being drilled (including the matchday warm-up) in the art of clinical finishing.
Agree with some posters that the centre midfield is being targetted as a weakness - too much dwelling on the ball at times, not enough use of the widemen,and not enough experience in that area.
Hope that Raz, TP and Cowie are ok for Saturday - we might then see how close we are to the standard of the top
clubs. Carsley and Taylor are suspended and Ridgewell is out injured.
Note that Theo scored again and Lee W seems to be playing regularly at PNE.
Danny R needs to be given a chance but comes across as keen but naive/thick

ReadersWives says...
7:10pm Tue 14 Apr 09

From the lower left of the Rookery on Saturday, Danny Rose looked like the only live wire in the whole turgid game. I sincerely hope that all of his bad luck has been front loaded in his spell at Watford because the kid needs our support. He's clearly a talent, likes the ball at his feet ( a rare commodity for an Englishman) and wants to impress (a rare commodity for a Watford player). But some- embarrisingly amongst us- they'd rather find a new spitoon to unload on. Do not make Danny Rose the new 1998 David Beckham - we really can't afford it.

Berks Horn says...
11:19pm Tue 14 Apr 09

Chris the Vic wrote:
Berks...first off we appear to be almost soft and if Lee wasnt to play on a regular basis not a bad call to let him have more play off experience and regular football. As for brendan's signings well Cowie has been Ok..Williamson (MIKE) changed our season around and his youth signings also included Jack Cork. As for Rose give him a few more games and next season we might well be glad to have him. As for next season, it will be tough...our finances say so..However, brendan given our financial constraints has done well and to judge him yet is far too early. Another eighteen months and we will know, at the moment he is as good as we can expect if not a whole lot better. You and I would have settled for todays league position when he started and since he has got most of his decisions right and still disappointed you you demonstrate the perfect qualifications for a chairman of any club but WFC!!
Chris, you're right, of course I would have taken this league position. And I'm not saying Rodgers is a disaster by any means, nowhere near in fact. I'm just sounding a note of caution. Anyone who'd seen Cork at Southampton could see he was talented but Bridcutt, Hoyte and Rose hadn't had that exposure and, in my opinion, haven't turned out that great. It's all very well bringing in loanees if they add something to the squad as Cork has done but these three have not. Rose may well turn out to be great in a year or two but he's not now. Look where Agbonlahor is now - but he was rubbish when we took him on loan.

Of course BR is a vast improvement on Hoofroyd, the football has been better, Williamson was a great buy, Cowie pretty good too, he's got the best out of McAnuff and Priskin for sure. So there are a lot of positives. In a way that just makes some things (like sending Williamson on loan when he would clearly have been better cover than Rose), the losses against lesser teams and the lacklustre performances the last couple of games all the more frustrating. BR is a great imrpovement but there seems to be an unwritten acceptance amongst many here that he is a football genius and we are going to waltz back into the play-offs next season. Of course I'd be delighted if we did but I'm just sure it's not a foregone conclusion. On the evidence of recent games there is a long way to go.

It's all opinions - ReadersWives thinks Rose was the best player on the pitch on Saturday - we were clearly watching completely different games since our opinions differ so wildly.

best-soon

FromDiv4 says...
8:12am Wed 15 Apr 09

I missed the game on Saturday but was at Norwich, the two previous games Rose was a live wire running down the left. His final ball was not always great but he ran with real purpose at the opposition and got the ball into dangerous positions, he is a raw talent with great pace. I think at this stage of his development most of his value is in his pace, unfortunately you do not get to use this when playing in central midfield and therefore he added no value at all and in fact he was a liability there. This was obvious to all and a change should have been made after 20mins or 30 at the latest. Rodgers has been great overall but he does seem to keep having some poor games on the way. We were very poor with only Smith showing any commitment to the cause, why did he not make any changes during the second half as whatever he did it could not have made it worse.

colni zip says...
12:33am Thu 16 Apr 09

I've been away a while and people still mention me in their posts.

I think we're safe but its a shame to see such a good run come to an end.

Consistency will be key to success next season (i'm pretty sure we're not going down) but will we sustain it and, more crucially, will we be able to build, as opposed to strip away, a team?

Can you imagine what would have happened had Boofers have stayed?

No Rodgers has done a good job and i (very) happily concede i was wrong about him.

Over and out clappers.

essex_stretch66 says...
11:07am Fri 17 Apr 09

First ever email, here goes, are we any better of now or before the BR ragime the next 3 games will decide since the arrival of BR wev loanes no better then the players already here, stats dont lie jenkins /cork have played 40 league games between them scored 1 goal that is an awful return, JJ 14 games plus sub apperences 7goals what manager would let the clubs 3rd top goalscorer go out on loan i suggest amanager who wants to be surrounded by yes men which young loanes generally are,the only loanes we have really needed is a left back so Doyley can go back 2 right back .Young players blow hot and cold as now we are finding out .Games are won and lost in the middle of the pitch and tomorrow we will get batterd and over run, BR trys to play to much football on a crap playing surface at this stage of the season its about work rate fighting for every point to stay up.Personally i would rather see JJ and LW in the centre mid,instead of side to side passing that gets us no where.Prefered the footbball under MM .Did we need BR DA F LAMPARD i dont think so,more like MM N Gibbs and GT think of the money we would have saved.Last point ,next season will Priskin Smith Harley and Mcanuff want to play in a struggling side i dont think so and would JJ and LW want to play under amanager that doesn,t rate them, would you . worst defeat of the season under BR best win of season under MM

enlightened one says...
11:20am Fri 17 Apr 09

I wouldn't bother again if I were you stretch.


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